Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Thanks , that makes more sense. Judy > No, where would it go? As you may recall, you can't boil off Fl - that only > concentrates it. KT is an oral chelator - it may be removed from your body > in that manner. > > Re: Fluoride in tea > > > > Doesn't the fermentation of the Kombucha remove the fluoride? > > > > Judy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Thanks , that makes more sense. Judy > No, where would it go? As you may recall, you can't boil off Fl - that only > concentrates it. KT is an oral chelator - it may be removed from your body > in that manner. > > Re: Fluoride in tea > > > > Doesn't the fermentation of the Kombucha remove the fluoride? > > > > Judy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 After giving it more thought, i realized that the problem w/ flourine/flouride is that it is an " ultra corrosive super oxidant " , to quote a nobel winning organic chemist. however, the components in tea are ultra anti-corrosive and a super anti-oxidant. therefore, i believe that by the time it's all been fermented, the flourine atoms will have combined w/ the anti-oxidant properties in the tea and rendered inert, just as would happen in the body allowing toxins to be flushed out blessings mark Re: Fluoride in tea The whole leaves were tested. The study said that the flouride content in the tea leaves has increased in the last twenty years because of pollution. This wasn't an issue 100 years ago. > What about the water that made the tea they tested. If it was tap water, that might make sense. > > nna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 After giving it more thought, i realized that the problem w/ flourine/flouride is that it is an " ultra corrosive super oxidant " , to quote a nobel winning organic chemist. however, the components in tea are ultra anti-corrosive and a super anti-oxidant. therefore, i believe that by the time it's all been fermented, the flourine atoms will have combined w/ the anti-oxidant properties in the tea and rendered inert, just as would happen in the body allowing toxins to be flushed out blessings mark Re: Fluoride in tea The whole leaves were tested. The study said that the flouride content in the tea leaves has increased in the last twenty years because of pollution. This wasn't an issue 100 years ago. > What about the water that made the tea they tested. If it was tap water, that might make sense. > > nna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 > > What about the water that made the tea they tested. If it was tap > water, that might make sense. > > > > nna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Correct! Flourine doesn't occur naturally on the planet in it's pure form because it's so corrosive it combines instantly w/ virtually any other element it can. so we get it in other more complex molecules, My point is, which you don't seem to get, is that it is still the *flourin* atom (or its ions) which is the BEAST....the cause....the vector...... mark Re: Fluoride in tea > > What about the water that made the tea they tested. If it was tap > water, that might make sense. > > > > nna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Interesting. I wonder how much F comes out of the tea when brewed, and if water temperature/steep time makes a difference (they didn't describe their water extraction method). Even so, considering I drink about 7 cups a day, and we're talking an upper end of 200mg per KILOGRAM of tea (at 200 tea bags a pound, thats 440 bags a kilogram), it means the maximum amount of F I'm getting from tea is 100mg a MONTH (and it's probably a lot less than that). I also only drink filtered water, and since it's taking out 99% of the Chlorine, I suspect it's taking out the Fluorine as well. I have to say I'm not that worried. Duncan Crow wrote: > > Fluoride 2004;37(4):310-314 Research report Fluoride 2004;37(4) > FLUORIDE IN NEWER TEA COMMODITIES Jin Cao,a Jianwei Liu,a Yan > Zhao,a Haiyan Qu,b Sangbu Danzeng,c Wei Da,d Yuzhu Guane > Changsha, P.R.China > > SUMMARY: The water-extractable fluoride content of nine packed > teas, ten instant tea powders, and ten tea beverages manufactured > in China, Japan, Taiwan, and the USA was determined by the > fluoride ion specific electrode method. > > Among the black, green, and Oolong packed teas, the F content > ranged from 41.5 to 212.4 mg F/kg tea. > > Among the instant tea powders, the range was broader: 25.9 to > 631.3 mg F/kg tea, the latter in a black tea from Taiwan. > > The bottled and canned tea beverages had fluoride concentrations > ranging from 0.20 to 1.80 mg F/L, with the highest in Oolong tea > beverages. > > Chronic toxic levels of fluoride consumption from some of these > tea products are possible. > > The packaging paper of packed teas and the addition of milk had > no effect the fluoride concentrations in the infusions. > > " Our findings suggest that the health safety problem of these > newly marketed tea species warrant further attention. Appropriate > regulation of the fluoride content of tea commodities should be > an urgent matter for public food safety policy. " > > Keywords: Fluoride in tea; Fluorosis from tea; Instant tea; > Packed tea; Powdered tea. > > http://www.xysm.net/tea/pdf/en016.pdf > <http://www.xysm.net/tea/pdf/en016.pdf> > > -- This is your brain on politics: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 > I have to say I'm not that worried. Ah, the bottom line -- worrying about fluorine content in tea -- is an individual matter, sure. I drink only a couple of cups a month if that, so I'm not worried either. But researchers are usually a cautious bunch, and their chosen word " urgent " they used in the comment following their research would give me pause before I reached the seven cups daily that you are drinking Again, they wrote: " Our findings suggest that the health safety problem of these newly marketed tea species warrant further attention. Appropriate regulation of the fluoride content of tea commodities should be an urgent matter for public food safety policy. " Researchers are usually pretty cautious with their wording, so it indicates they recognise that a clear danger exists to chronic tea drinkers. Fluoride damage is widespread, it could be called more serious, it occurs before skeletal fluorois is apparent, and any amount of fluoride in our bodies is of course one more assault to our longevity. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Duncan, From what I have read about molecules, naturally made molecules tend to be safer, because humans and our ancestors species have been exposed to them for much longer, so our bodies are more likely to be able to safely cope with potentially dangerous elements in those compounds. The Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the body as needed, so non-toxic, just like metal chelates and beta carotene are only converted as needed, so less risk of toxicity. See quote below about Fluorine and Chromium, from http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtbones.html " Plant foods such as fruits, especially apples, nuts and grains supply boron, needed for the conversion of vitamin D to its active form, and for the formation of estrogen. Iodine found in natural sea salt, sea foods and butter helps maintain healthy ovaries and thyroid gland, both of which play a role in maintaining bone integrity. Magnesium, found in whole foods, also contributes to bone health as does natural fluoride, present in hard water as calcium fluoride. Chromium may also contribute to bone health by normalizing insulin activity. Type I diabetics are prone to osteoporosis. Chromium picolinate has been found to reduce the amount of calcium excreted in the urine and therefore may " Duncan Crow wrote: >> I have to say I'm not that worried. >> > > Ah, the bottom line -- worrying about fluorine content in tea -- > is an individual matter, sure. I drink only a couple of cups a > month if that, so I'm not worried either. > > But researchers are usually a cautious bunch, and their chosen > word " urgent " they used in the comment following their research > would give me pause before I reached the seven cups daily that > you are drinking > > Again, they wrote: > " Our findings suggest that the health safety problem of these > newly marketed tea species warrant further attention. Appropriate > regulation of the fluoride content of tea commodities should be > an urgent matter for public food safety policy. " > > Researchers are usually pretty cautious with their wording, so it > indicates they recognise that a clear danger exists to chronic > tea drinkers. Fluoride damage is widespread, it could be called > more serious, it occurs before skeletal fluorois is apparent, and > any amount of fluoride in our bodies is of course one more > assault to our longevity. > > Duncan Crow > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified people, so best use natural sources instead.. nospam.rwp@... wrote: > Duncan, > > From what I have read about molecules, naturally made molecules tend to > be safer, because humans and our ancestors species have been exposed to > them for much longer, so our bodies are more likely to be able to safely > cope with potentially dangerous elements in those compounds. The > Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the body as > needed, so non-toxic, just like metal chelates and beta carotene are > only converted as needed, so less risk of toxicity. See quote below > about Fluorine and Chromium, from > http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtbones.html > > " Plant foods such as fruits, especially apples, nuts and grains supply > boron, needed for the conversion of vitamin D to its active form, and > for the formation of estrogen. Iodine found in natural sea salt, sea > foods and butter helps maintain healthy ovaries and thyroid gland, both > of which play a role in maintaining bone integrity. Magnesium, found in > whole foods, also contributes to bone health as does natural fluoride, > present in hard water as calcium fluoride. Chromium may also contribute > to bone health by normalizing insulin activity. Type I diabetics are > prone to osteoporosis. Chromium picolinate has been found to reduce the > amount of calcium excreted in the urine and therefore may " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 On Sunday 16 July 2006 12:20 pm, nospam.rwp@... wrote: > A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified > people, so best use natural sources instead.. What is the differences between molecularly identical items either extracted from natural sources or those created/assembled via laboratory/manufacturing processes? The phrase " some qualified people " doesn't move me. As an aside, instead of the picolinate form, I take Chromium Polynicotinate 800 mcg/day in divided doses. The one you mentioned is bound to L-tryptophan and the second is bound to niacin. Due to the evidence I have come across to date, I find the polynicotinate a more compelling form to take regardless of the its natural provenance. Nature kills everyone at way too young an age, I would like to do better and restricting myself to only natural soruces of any kind seems to me (perhaps it's just me) irrational. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. " --Carl Sagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 As stated, only some people think that Chromium Picolinate may cause cancer (for the synthetic version, at high doses), but not all, see: http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/Com/chromium.htm It maybe that impurities e.g. toxic isomers can be formed in the synthesis of Chromium Picolinate and that these cause or catalyse damage, not the pure compound. It may not be obvious if impure synthetic Chromium Picolinate is in some supplements, so it is wise to be cautious. steve wrote: > On Sunday 16 July 2006 12:20 pm, nospam.rwp@... wrote: > >> A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified >> people, so best use natural sources instead.. >> > > What is the differences between molecularly identical items either extracted > from natural sources or those created/assembled via laboratory/manufacturing > processes? > > The phrase " some qualified people " doesn't move me. > > As an aside, instead of the picolinate form, I take Chromium Polynicotinate > 800 mcg/day in divided doses. The one you mentioned is bound to L-tryptophan > and the second is bound to niacin. Due to the evidence I have come across to > date, I find the polynicotinate a more compelling form to take regardless of > the its natural provenance. Nature kills everyone at way too young an age, I > would like to do better and restricting myself to only natural soruces of any > kind seems to me (perhaps it's just me) irrational. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 It looks like the toxicity experiment which showed toxic results have not been replicated, and that the information I saw was based on these results, so carefully manufactured Chromium picolinate is probably safe, provided toxic levels of Chromium do not accumulate in the body. steve wrote: > On Sunday 16 July 2006 12:20 pm, nospam.rwp@... wrote: > >> A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified >> people, so best use natural sources instead.. >> > > What is the differences between molecularly identical items either extracted > from natural sources or those created/assembled via laboratory/manufacturing > processes? > > The phrase " some qualified people " doesn't move me. > > As an aside, instead of the picolinate form, I take Chromium Polynicotinate > 800 mcg/day in divided doses. The one you mentioned is bound to L-tryptophan > and the second is bound to niacin. Due to the evidence I have come across to > date, I find the polynicotinate a more compelling form to take regardless of > the its natural provenance. Nature kills everyone at way too young an age, I > would like to do better and restricting myself to only natural soruces of any > kind seems to me (perhaps it's just me) irrational. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 > > Posted by: " nospam.rwp@... " nospam.rwp@... > satur9uk Date: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:46 am (PDT) > The Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the > body as needed, so non-toxic, Fluoride in tea is a natural molecule that IS toxic; this is what gives rise to the warnings about drinking tea, a natural product, even brewed with naturally-occuring water that has no fluorine in it. Further, the comment about fluorine strengthening bones is blatantly incorrect; fluorine has never been proven to strengthen bones. It has no legitimate place in the body and it is strictly a marketing ploy to legitimise putting the industial waste into our water. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 > A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some > qualified > people, so best use natural sources instead.. Here in Canada chromium picolinate is illegal possibly due to the concern about it being toxic, so we use chromium polynicotinate, esentially a b-vitamin I think. Elegant. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Duncan Crow wrote: >> Posted by: " nospam.rwp@... " nospam.rwp@... >> satur9uk Date: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:46 am (PDT) >> The Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the >> body as needed, so non-toxic, >> > > Fluoride in tea is a natural molecule that IS toxic; this is what > gives rise to the warnings about drinking tea, a natural product, > even brewed with naturally-occuring water that has no fluorine in > it. > > Really, has anyone analysed which Fluorine compound is present in tea leaves? Not all Fluorine salts are readily absorbed. See, here for the Pros and Cons of Fluorine, including the fact that Calcium Fluoride (from hard water) is much safer. http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/fluoride/ > Further, the comment about fluorine strengthening bones is > blatantly incorrect; fluorine has never been proven to strengthen > bones. It has no legitimate place in the body and it is strictly > a marketing ploy to legitimise putting the industial waste into > our water. > > BS, trace amounts of Fluorine do strengthen bone, in specific situations, it is excessive amounts ofr Fluorine, especially in easily absorbed unbuffered compounds, which weakens bone, mottles teeth and does other damage. http://home.primus.com.au/royellis/Bone.htm " *Mineralization of bone *The hard nature and rigidity of bone result from the incorporation of mineral into the osteoid matrix template. This inorganic component, known as hydroxyapatite is a crystalline substance which comprises calcium, phosphate and hydroxyl ions [Ca_10 (PO_4 )_6 (OH)_2 ]. Small amounts magnesium, fluoride, carbonate, citrate and potassium as well as other ions are also found in mineralised bone. The skeleton is a conveniently accessible source of calcium and other ions, with approximately 98% of the total calcium, 85% of the phosphorus and around 50% of the sodium and magnesium occurring in bones. The exact mechanism of bone matrix mineralisation is highly complex. An extensive review of current concepts is given elsewhere. " > Duncan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 After reading the article below I am convinced against drinking green/black tea... http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.htmlHere is an excerpt from another disturbing article from: http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/02/22/why_green_tea_would_be_healthy_except_for_this_one_dangerous_issue_004.htm"Fluoride can also affect the thyroid. Specifically, it suppresses thyroid function, leading to hypothyroidism. This is a well-known fact, as, ironically, the amount of fluoride in a typical cup of tea is actually much higher than amounts that were used decades ago as medication for hyperthyroidism, to reduce thyroid activity."If anyone else reads these please let me know your impressions and if you think they are credible sources...Thanks,Marlena >> Ok, there has been a lot of talk about fluoride lately ... I would like> to hear people's opinions about whether fluoride in tea is harmful. I> had heard that it wasn't (because it was naturally occurring, as opposed> to being added to the water) so I began to drink org naturally> decaffeinated green tea - about 12 oz a day. Of course I really enjoy it> and thought the anti-oxidants were good etc etc ... But if it is going> to mess up my iodine therapy/thyroid I can easily stop ...> Thanks,Marlena> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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