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Thanks , that makes more sense.

Judy

> No, where would it go? As you may recall, you can't boil off Fl -

that only

> concentrates it. KT is an oral chelator - it may be removed from

your body

> in that manner.

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> > Doesn't the fermentation of the Kombucha remove the fluoride?

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Thanks , that makes more sense.

Judy

> No, where would it go? As you may recall, you can't boil off Fl -

that only

> concentrates it. KT is an oral chelator - it may be removed from

your body

> in that manner.

>

> Re: Fluoride in tea

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> > Doesn't the fermentation of the Kombucha remove the fluoride?

> >

> > Judy

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After giving it more thought, i realized that the problem w/ flourine/flouride

is that it is an " ultra corrosive super oxidant " , to quote a nobel winning

organic chemist.

however, the components in tea are ultra anti-corrosive and a super

anti-oxidant. therefore, i believe that by the time it's all been fermented,

the flourine atoms will have combined w/ the anti-oxidant properties in the tea

and rendered inert, just as would happen in the body allowing toxins to be

flushed out

blessings

mark

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The whole leaves were tested. The study said that the flouride

content in the tea leaves has increased in the last twenty years

because of pollution. This wasn't an issue 100 years ago.

> What about the water that made the tea they tested. If it was tap

water, that might make sense.

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> nna

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After giving it more thought, i realized that the problem w/ flourine/flouride

is that it is an " ultra corrosive super oxidant " , to quote a nobel winning

organic chemist.

however, the components in tea are ultra anti-corrosive and a super

anti-oxidant. therefore, i believe that by the time it's all been fermented,

the flourine atoms will have combined w/ the anti-oxidant properties in the tea

and rendered inert, just as would happen in the body allowing toxins to be

flushed out

blessings

mark

Re: Fluoride in tea

The whole leaves were tested. The study said that the flouride

content in the tea leaves has increased in the last twenty years

because of pollution. This wasn't an issue 100 years ago.

> What about the water that made the tea they tested. If it was tap

water, that might make sense.

>

> nna

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Correct! Flourine doesn't occur naturally on the planet in it's pure form

because it's so corrosive it combines instantly w/ virtually any other element

it can. so we get it in other more complex molecules, My point is, which you

don't seem to get, is that it is still the *flourin* atom (or its ions) which is

the BEAST....the cause....the vector......

mark

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> > What about the water that made the tea they tested. If it was

tap

> water, that might make sense.

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Interesting. I wonder how much F comes out of the tea when brewed, and

if water temperature/steep time makes a difference (they didn't describe

their water extraction method).

Even so, considering I drink about 7 cups a day, and we're talking an

upper end of 200mg per KILOGRAM of tea (at 200 tea bags a pound, thats

440 bags a kilogram), it means the maximum amount of F I'm getting from

tea is 100mg a MONTH (and it's probably a lot less than that). I also

only drink filtered water, and since it's taking out 99% of the

Chlorine, I suspect it's taking out the Fluorine as well.

I have to say I'm not that worried.

Duncan Crow wrote:

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> Fluoride 2004;37(4):310-314 Research report Fluoride 2004;37(4)

> FLUORIDE IN NEWER TEA COMMODITIES Jin Cao,a Jianwei Liu,a Yan

> Zhao,a Haiyan Qu,b Sangbu Danzeng,c Wei Da,d Yuzhu Guane

> Changsha, P.R.China

>

> SUMMARY: The water-extractable fluoride content of nine packed

> teas, ten instant tea powders, and ten tea beverages manufactured

> in China, Japan, Taiwan, and the USA was determined by the

> fluoride ion specific electrode method.

>

> Among the black, green, and Oolong packed teas, the F content

> ranged from 41.5 to 212.4 mg F/kg tea.

>

> Among the instant tea powders, the range was broader: 25.9 to

> 631.3 mg F/kg tea, the latter in a black tea from Taiwan.

>

> The bottled and canned tea beverages had fluoride concentrations

> ranging from 0.20 to 1.80 mg F/L, with the highest in Oolong tea

> beverages.

>

> Chronic toxic levels of fluoride consumption from some of these

> tea products are possible.

>

> The packaging paper of packed teas and the addition of milk had

> no effect the fluoride concentrations in the infusions.

>

> " Our findings suggest that the health safety problem of these

> newly marketed tea species warrant further attention. Appropriate

> regulation of the fluoride content of tea commodities should be

> an urgent matter for public food safety policy. "

>

> Keywords: Fluoride in tea; Fluorosis from tea; Instant tea;

> Packed tea; Powdered tea.

>

> http://www.xysm.net/tea/pdf/en016.pdf

> <http://www.xysm.net/tea/pdf/en016.pdf>

>

>

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> I have to say I'm not that worried.

Ah, the bottom line -- worrying about fluorine content in tea --

is an individual matter, sure. I drink only a couple of cups a

month if that, so I'm not worried either.

But researchers are usually a cautious bunch, and their chosen

word " urgent " they used in the comment following their research

would give me pause before I reached the seven cups daily that

you are drinking ;)

Again, they wrote:

" Our findings suggest that the health safety problem of these

newly marketed tea species warrant further attention. Appropriate

regulation of the fluoride content of tea commodities should be

an urgent matter for public food safety policy. "

Researchers are usually pretty cautious with their wording, so it

indicates they recognise that a clear danger exists to chronic

tea drinkers. Fluoride damage is widespread, it could be called

more serious, it occurs before skeletal fluorois is apparent, and

any amount of fluoride in our bodies is of course one more

assault to our longevity.

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Duncan,

From what I have read about molecules, naturally made molecules tend to

be safer, because humans and our ancestors species have been exposed to

them for much longer, so our bodies are more likely to be able to safely

cope with potentially dangerous elements in those compounds. The

Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the body as

needed, so non-toxic, just like metal chelates and beta carotene are

only converted as needed, so less risk of toxicity. See quote below

about Fluorine and Chromium, from

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtbones.html

" Plant foods such as fruits, especially apples, nuts and grains supply

boron, needed for the conversion of vitamin D to its active form, and

for the formation of estrogen. Iodine found in natural sea salt, sea

foods and butter helps maintain healthy ovaries and thyroid gland, both

of which play a role in maintaining bone integrity. Magnesium, found in

whole foods, also contributes to bone health as does natural fluoride,

present in hard water as calcium fluoride. Chromium may also contribute

to bone health by normalizing insulin activity. Type I diabetics are

prone to osteoporosis. Chromium picolinate has been found to reduce the

amount of calcium excreted in the urine and therefore may "

Duncan Crow wrote:

>> I have to say I'm not that worried.

>>

>

> Ah, the bottom line -- worrying about fluorine content in tea --

> is an individual matter, sure. I drink only a couple of cups a

> month if that, so I'm not worried either.

>

> But researchers are usually a cautious bunch, and their chosen

> word " urgent " they used in the comment following their research

> would give me pause before I reached the seven cups daily that

> you are drinking ;)

>

> Again, they wrote:

> " Our findings suggest that the health safety problem of these

> newly marketed tea species warrant further attention. Appropriate

> regulation of the fluoride content of tea commodities should be

> an urgent matter for public food safety policy. "

>

> Researchers are usually pretty cautious with their wording, so it

> indicates they recognise that a clear danger exists to chronic

> tea drinkers. Fluoride damage is widespread, it could be called

> more serious, it occurs before skeletal fluorois is apparent, and

> any amount of fluoride in our bodies is of course one more

> assault to our longevity.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

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A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified

people, so best use natural sources instead..

nospam.rwp@... wrote:

> Duncan,

>

> From what I have read about molecules, naturally made molecules tend to

> be safer, because humans and our ancestors species have been exposed to

> them for much longer, so our bodies are more likely to be able to safely

> cope with potentially dangerous elements in those compounds. The

> Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the body as

> needed, so non-toxic, just like metal chelates and beta carotene are

> only converted as needed, so less risk of toxicity. See quote below

> about Fluorine and Chromium, from

> http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtbones.html

>

> " Plant foods such as fruits, especially apples, nuts and grains supply

> boron, needed for the conversion of vitamin D to its active form, and

> for the formation of estrogen. Iodine found in natural sea salt, sea

> foods and butter helps maintain healthy ovaries and thyroid gland, both

> of which play a role in maintaining bone integrity. Magnesium, found in

> whole foods, also contributes to bone health as does natural fluoride,

> present in hard water as calcium fluoride. Chromium may also contribute

> to bone health by normalizing insulin activity. Type I diabetics are

> prone to osteoporosis. Chromium picolinate has been found to reduce the

> amount of calcium excreted in the urine and therefore may "

>

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On Sunday 16 July 2006 12:20 pm, nospam.rwp@... wrote:

> A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified

> people, so best use natural sources instead..

What is the differences between molecularly identical items either extracted

from natural sources or those created/assembled via laboratory/manufacturing

processes?

The phrase " some qualified people " doesn't move me.

As an aside, instead of the picolinate form, I take Chromium Polynicotinate

800 mcg/day in divided doses. The one you mentioned is bound to L-tryptophan

and the second is bound to niacin. Due to the evidence I have come across to

date, I find the polynicotinate a more compelling form to take regardless of

the its natural provenance. Nature kills everyone at way too young an age, I

would like to do better and restricting myself to only natural soruces of any

kind seems to me (perhaps it's just me) irrational.

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As stated, only some people think that Chromium Picolinate may cause

cancer (for the synthetic version, at high doses), but not all, see:

http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/Com/chromium.htm

It maybe that impurities e.g. toxic isomers can be formed in the

synthesis of Chromium Picolinate and that these cause or catalyse

damage, not the pure compound. It may not be obvious if impure

synthetic Chromium Picolinate is in some supplements, so it is wise to

be cautious.

steve wrote:

> On Sunday 16 July 2006 12:20 pm, nospam.rwp@... wrote:

>

>> A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified

>> people, so best use natural sources instead..

>>

>

> What is the differences between molecularly identical items either extracted

> from natural sources or those created/assembled via laboratory/manufacturing

> processes?

>

> The phrase " some qualified people " doesn't move me.

>

> As an aside, instead of the picolinate form, I take Chromium Polynicotinate

> 800 mcg/day in divided doses. The one you mentioned is bound to L-tryptophan

> and the second is bound to niacin. Due to the evidence I have come across to

> date, I find the polynicotinate a more compelling form to take regardless of

> the its natural provenance. Nature kills everyone at way too young an age, I

> would like to do better and restricting myself to only natural soruces of any

> kind seems to me (perhaps it's just me) irrational.

>

>

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It looks like the toxicity experiment which showed toxic results have

not been replicated, and that the information I saw was based on these

results, so carefully manufactured Chromium picolinate is probably safe,

provided toxic levels of Chromium do not accumulate in the body.

steve wrote:

> On Sunday 16 July 2006 12:20 pm, nospam.rwp@... wrote:

>

>> A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some qualified

>> people, so best use natural sources instead..

>>

>

> What is the differences between molecularly identical items either extracted

> from natural sources or those created/assembled via laboratory/manufacturing

> processes?

>

> The phrase " some qualified people " doesn't move me.

>

> As an aside, instead of the picolinate form, I take Chromium Polynicotinate

> 800 mcg/day in divided doses. The one you mentioned is bound to L-tryptophan

> and the second is bound to niacin. Due to the evidence I have come across to

> date, I find the polynicotinate a more compelling form to take regardless of

> the its natural provenance. Nature kills everyone at way too young an age, I

> would like to do better and restricting myself to only natural soruces of any

> kind seems to me (perhaps it's just me) irrational.

>

>

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> Posted by: " nospam.rwp@... " nospam.rwp@...

> satur9uk Date: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:46 am (PDT)

> The Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the

> body as needed, so non-toxic,

Fluoride in tea is a natural molecule that IS toxic; this is what

gives rise to the warnings about drinking tea, a natural product,

even brewed with naturally-occuring water that has no fluorine in

it.

Further, the comment about fluorine strengthening bones is

blatantly incorrect; fluorine has never been proven to strengthen

bones. It has no legitimate place in the body and it is strictly

a marketing ploy to legitimise putting the industial waste into

our water.

Duncan

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> A proviso, Chromium picolinate is regarded as toxic by some

> qualified

> people, so best use natural sources instead..

Here in Canada chromium picolinate is illegal possibly due to the

concern about it being toxic, so we use chromium polynicotinate,

esentially a b-vitamin I think. Elegant.

Duncan

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Duncan Crow wrote:

>> Posted by: " nospam.rwp@... " nospam.rwp@...

>> satur9uk Date: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:46 am (PDT)

>> The Fluoride in tea is probably in a form which is only used by the

>> body as needed, so non-toxic,

>>

>

> Fluoride in tea is a natural molecule that IS toxic; this is what

> gives rise to the warnings about drinking tea, a natural product,

> even brewed with naturally-occuring water that has no fluorine in

> it.

>

>

Really, has anyone analysed which Fluorine compound is present in tea

leaves? Not all Fluorine salts are readily absorbed.

See, here for the Pros and Cons of Fluorine, including the fact that

Calcium Fluoride (from hard water) is much safer.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/fluoride/

> Further, the comment about fluorine strengthening bones is

> blatantly incorrect; fluorine has never been proven to strengthen

> bones. It has no legitimate place in the body and it is strictly

> a marketing ploy to legitimise putting the industial waste into

> our water.

>

>

BS, trace amounts of Fluorine do strengthen bone, in specific

situations, it is excessive amounts ofr Fluorine, especially in easily

absorbed unbuffered compounds, which weakens bone, mottles teeth and

does other damage.

http://home.primus.com.au/royellis/Bone.htm

" *Mineralization of bone

*The hard nature and rigidity of bone result from the incorporation of

mineral into the osteoid matrix template. This inorganic component,

known as hydroxyapatite is a crystalline substance which comprises

calcium, phosphate and hydroxyl ions [Ca_10 (PO_4 )_6 (OH)_2 ]. Small

amounts magnesium, fluoride, carbonate, citrate and potassium as well as

other ions are also found in mineralised bone. The skeleton is a

conveniently accessible source of calcium and other ions, with

approximately 98% of the total calcium, 85% of the phosphorus and around

50% of the sodium and magnesium occurring in bones. The exact mechanism

of bone matrix mineralisation is highly complex. An extensive review of

current concepts is given elsewhere. "

> Duncan

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After reading the article below I am convinced against drinking green/black tea... http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.htmlHere is an excerpt from another disturbing article from: http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/02/22/why_green_tea_would_be_healthy_except_for_this_one_dangerous_issue_004.htm"Fluoride can also affect the thyroid. Specifically, it suppresses thyroid function, leading to hypothyroidism. This is a well-known fact, as, ironically, the amount of fluoride in a typical cup of tea is actually much higher than amounts that were used decades ago as medication for hyperthyroidism, to reduce thyroid activity."If anyone else reads these please let me know your impressions and if you think they are credible sources...Thanks,Marlena >> Ok, there has been a lot of talk about fluoride lately ... I would like> to hear people's opinions about whether fluoride in tea is harmful. I> had heard that it wasn't (because it was naturally occurring, as opposed> to being added to the water) so I began to drink org naturally> decaffeinated green tea - about 12 oz a day. Of course I really enjoy it> and thought the anti-oxidants were good etc etc ... But if it is going> to mess up my iodine therapy/thyroid I can easily stop ...> Thanks,Marlena>

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