Re: Re: Thiocyanate and theobromine?

[Guest guest]

Yep - I would not do well w/o my chocolate.

Steph

Re: Thiocyanate and theobromine?

-- In iodine , "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:>> Theobromine is not bromine. That is really good news!!!Betsy

[Guest guest]

The last research I read on this was that chocolate doesn't

*cause* the migraine, but migraines cause a craving for

chocolate. There is a series of events lasting some 24 hours

*before* you get the migraine, and toward the end of

that cycle people get this craving. They eat whatever it

is, then get the migraine, and blame the food they just eat.

In fact, it may have been whatever you ate the day before.

Anyway, I've found large doses of chocolate actually

mitigate migraine symptoms. Caffeine too. I think they

shrink the blood vessels (as does Imitrex). The idea

was suggested to me by a neurologist.

Magnesium, calcium, and Vit B are also implicated

in migraines. The cause has to do with the calcium/ion

barrier ... which changes also because of hormones,

and the same protocol that works for migraines also

works for PMS. Which makes me wonder if iodine doesn't

fit in there somewhere too, since the iodine appears

to help with a slew of " hormone related " issues.

I stopped getting migraines completely though, when

I stopped eating dairy. It's been a few years. I used to

get them 5x a month, and they were definitely hormonally

timed. I still get them if I eat dairy and don't take clay

with it. Which makes me wonder if dairy messes

with hormones too. Or maybe it's all that bromine

in cow milk ...

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Robin Little <robinlittle@...> wrote:

> I get headaches (migraines) from chocolate. I think a lot of people do. It

> may be the hardest thing to stay away from. I don't think its the

> theobromine, though, because isn't that in tea, too? And I drink tea OK. (I

> put a couple drops of iodine in my tea cup.)

> We had brussel sprouts the other night, and I got kind of ickey afterward,

> couldn't put my finger on what it was. Maybe it was the sprouts. They were

> cooked.

> --

> Warmest Regards,

> Robin Little

>

> Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:00 am (PST)

>

> Yep - I would not do well w/o my chocolate.

>

> Steph

>

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[Guest guest]

This is the first I've heard of bromine in cow milk. Are you sure?

Can we ever get away from bromine? Yikes.

Vj

--- On Sun, 12/28/08,

[Guest guest]

Yes please provide info on this.

Steph

Re: Re: Thiocyanate and theobromine?

This is the first I've heard of bromine in cow milk. Are you sure?

Can we ever get away from bromine? Yikes.

Vj

[Guest guest]

Robin,

You have things backwards:

1. Caffeine rebound is a major cause of what is called Chronic tension type headaches. Typically, start in morning and start in neck and affect both sides. Withdrawal from caffeine can take 3 weeks. Do not take caffeine or excedrin for headaches.

2. Hormonal headache are real. See Dr. Lichten's webpages on migraine at http://www.usdoctor.com. Simple hormonal treatments like an estradiol patch may prevent most menstrually related migraine.

3. Diet can trigger headaches. Avoid wine, cheese and dairy to start.

drlichten@...

From:

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I thought it was old news. Way

back when, cow udders were routinely cleansed

with iodine. I mean, if you see a cow before it's

milked, it makes sense to clean them well, and after

a few problems with e-coli, I guess they decided to

disinfect them. I'm thinking this particularly came into

vogue about the time of milking machines ... the milking

machine needs to be cleaned too. One dirty cow infects

the whole tank-truck of milk. And then there are

medicines used to treat mastitis.

Anyway, if you Google " milk disinfectant bromide " you'll

get a number of sources, often dealing with " off flavors "

produced by excess bromide, like:

============

http://www.leatherheadfood.com/lfi/pdf/taints.pdf

Disinfectant taints in milk

One common type of taint is described as " medicinal " or " disinfectant "

and is normally caused by

chlorinated or brominated phenols. Some disinfectants used on farms

contain 6-chloro-ortho-cresol

(6coc), a compound of this type. There have been cases where a can of

disinfectant was left in a

milking parlour, where someone walked into the parlour without washing

off his boots or even where

the disinfectant was used to wash the cow's udders. In each instance

the 6coc got into the milk from

the parlour, which was then added to milk in a tanker and finally

added to milk in a silo at a dairy.

There was enough 6coc present to taint the entire silo.

==============

Basically a lot of the disinfectants used on farms contain

bromine. Lots contain chlorine too. But they used to contain

more iodine, which caused milk to be considered a *source*

of iodine.

Hopefully there is a move now to go to more natural

cleansers. And I don't know at all if this is related to migraines

(I get migraines from grass-fed hand-milked goats too!).

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, ladybugsandbees

<ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

> Yes please provide info on this.

>

> Steph

>

>

> Re: Re: Thiocyanate and theobromine?

>

> This is the first I've heard of bromine in cow milk. Are you sure?

>

> Can we ever get away from bromine? Yikes.

>

> Vj

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I should add here that milk is not *supposed* to have any

antibiotic residue of any kind. I only got interested in

this because of my kefir grains ... my kefir seriously did

not want to grow in non-organic milk. But commercial

organic milk is fine. I suspect therefore that there is

some residue ... either of antibiotics fed to the cow

or used on equipment ... in most milk.

I found one interesting reference to this, albeit old:

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/monograph/WHO_MONO_48_(p449).pdf

Where they use a fermentation test to test for anti-yeast

residues. Also there is a long discussion there about residues

of " stuff " in milk, from the producer's point of view. But it seems

to have been put out before bromine was used much.

[Guest guest]

These two messages got received oddly to the point

I can't tell who is Robin and who is not! Otherwise I would

reply privately. It's been awhile since I researched this, but if

you google " magnesium migraine " or " magnesium pms " you'll

get a lot. I seem to be chronically low on magnesium so I

do take it.

Imitrex works like a charm, tho it is not terribly safe.

I got it as a nose spray, works in a couple of minutes.

And yeah, it needs a prescription.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Robin Little <robinlittle@...> wrote:

> Well, , this makes sense. I had that " itch " all day, and finally

> broke down and bought a box of Klondike bars. (I'm NOT telling how many I

> ate, mind you!) Completely forgot my clay! DUH!

> Something had to have caused the craving, but I have no idea what it could

> be. If I could figure that out it would be great.

> I have no cycles anymore. (surgical menopause) But I do take dhea, and I

> know that any reduction in the dosage creates the most massive migraine,

> even 5 mgs down. But not increases in dosage.

> What is the PMS protocol you mentioned?

> So are you saying that if I eat chocolate DURING the migraine, it might

> help? When I hurt like that I will try almost anything. Drugs don't scratch

> the surface. I have not tried Imitrex, though. I suppose you need a script

> for that?

> If this is getting too off-topic, please email me privately.

> I love to pick your brain!

> --

> Warmest Regards,

> Robin Little

>

> The last research I read on this was that chocolate doesn't

> *cause* the migraine, but migraines cause a craving for

> chocolate. There is a series of events lasting some 24 hours

> *before* you get the migraine, and toward the end of

> that cycle people get this craving. They eat whatever it

> is, then get the migraine, and blame the food they just eat.

> In fact, it may have been whatever you ate the day before.

>

> Anyway, I've found large doses of chocolate actually

> mitigate migraine symptoms. Caffeine too. I think they

> shrink the blood vessels (as does Imitrex). The idea

> was suggested to me by a neurologist.

>

> Magnesium, calcium, and Vit B are also implicated

> in migraines. The cause has to do with the calcium/ion

> barrier ... which changes also because of hormones,

> and the same protocol that works for migraines also

> works for PMS. Which makes me wonder if iodine doesn't

> fit in there somewhere too, since the iodine appears

> to help with a slew of " hormone related " issues.

>

> I stopped getting migraines completely though, when

> I stopped eating dairy. It's been a few years. I used to

> get them 5x a month, and they were definitely hormonally

> timed. I still get them if I eat dairy and don't take clay

> with it. Which makes me wonder if dairy messes

> with hormones too. Or maybe it's all that bromine

> in cow milk ...

>

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