Re: Thiocyanate and theobromine?

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Theobromine is not bromine. There is no form of that halide in chocolate. The Brassica family of veggies are thyroid blocking veggies aka cruciferous. They are a problem for some people.

Thiocyanate and theobromine?

Do you all find it's necessary to stay away from foods containing thiocyanate and theobromine?Thiocyanate is found in high amounts in the brassica family of vegetables and theobromine is found in chocolate.I can tell when I eat vegetables from the brassica family that my body temperature drops drastically. Chocolate makes my voice sound froggy, so I guess it's the bromine part of the theobromine displacing iodine or blocking iodine uptake.It's very unfortunate because the brassica family of vegetables has many other health enhancing constituents. And chocolate, besides being delicious, has many other good qualities, too.I am trying once again to get grains out of my diet, and looking for other things to eat. It gets difficult, because there are a lot of other things I can't eat yet either. When I started taking the iodine, my appetite really increased. Today I feel as though I'm able to drop the grains and find other things to replace it calorie wise. At first I thought that it would be more important to get the calories than to stay grain free, but I got so much spinal pain and headache pain, that I'm ready to give them up again.Have a nice day, everybody, and looking forward to a happy and HEALTHY new year!Betsy

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did it still happen after cooking the brassica vegs.? linda rn

Thiocyanate and theobromine?

Do you all find it's necessary to stay away from foods containing thiocyanate and theobromine?Thiocyanate is found in high amounts in the brassica family of vegetables and theobromine is found in chocolate.I can tell when I eat vegetables from the brassica family that my body temperature drops drastically. Chocolate makes my voice sound froggy, so I guess it's the bromine part of the theobromine displacing iodine or blocking iodine uptake.It's very unfortunate because the brassica family of vegetables has many other health enhancing constituents. And chocolate, besides being delicious, has many other good qualities, too.I am trying once again to get grains out of my diet, and looking for other things to eat. It gets difficult, because there are a lot of other things I can't eat yet either. When I started taking the iodine, my appetite really increased. Today I feel as though I'm able to drop the grains and find other things to replace it calorie wise. At first I thought that it would be more important to get the calories than to stay grain free, but I got so much spinal pain and headache pain, that I'm ready to give them up again.Have a nice day, everybody, and looking forward to a happy and HEALTHY new year!Betsy

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-- In iodine , " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...>

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> Theobromine is not bromine.

That is really good news!!!

Betsy

[Guest guest]

Yes, cooking the cruciferous vegetables does not make them not affect

me.

Betsy

- In iodine , " Keeper " <robin1208@...> wrote:

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> did it still happen after cooking the brassica vegs.? linda rn

> Thiocyanate and theobromine?

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> Do you all find it's necessary to stay away from foods containing

> thiocyanate and theobromine?

>

> Thiocyanate is found in high amounts in the brassica family of

> vegetables and theobromine is found in chocolate.

>

> I can tell when I eat vegetables from the brassica family that my

> body temperature drops drastically. Chocolate makes my voice

sound

> froggy, so I guess it's the bromine part of the theobromine

> displacing iodine or blocking iodine uptake.

>

> It's very unfortunate because the brassica family of vegetables

has

> many other health enhancing constituents. And chocolate, besides

> being delicious, has many other good qualities, too.

>

> I am trying once again to get grains out of my diet, and looking

> for other things to eat. It gets difficult, because there are a

lot

> of other things I can't eat yet either.

>

> When I started taking the iodine, my appetite really increased.

> Today I feel as though I'm able to drop the grains and find other

> things to replace it calorie wise. At first I thought that it

would

> be more important to get the calories than to stay grain free,

but I

> got so much spinal pain and headache pain, that I'm ready to give

> them up again.

>

> Have a nice day, everybody, and looking forward to a happy and

> HEALTHY new year!

>

> Betsy

>

[Guest guest]

I get headaches (migraines) from chocolate. I think a lot of people do. It may be the hardest thing to stay away from. I don't think its the theobromine, though, because isn't that in tea, too? And I drink tea OK. (I put a couple drops of iodine in my tea cup.)

We had brussel sprouts the other night, and I got kind of ickey afterward, couldn't put my finger on what it was. Maybe it was the sprouts. They were cooked.-- Warmest Regards,Robin Little

Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:00 am (PST)

Yep - I would not do well w/o my chocolate.

Steph

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Well, , this makes sense. I had that " itch " all day, and finally broke down and bought a box of Klondike bars. (I'm NOT telling how many I ate, mind you!) Completely forgot my clay! DUH!Something had to have caused the craving, but I have no idea what it could be. If I could figure that out it would be great.

I have no cycles anymore. (surgical menopause) But I do take dhea, and I know that any reduction in the dosage creates the most massive migraine, even 5 mgs down. But not increases in dosage.What is the PMS protocol you mentioned?

So are you saying that if I eat chocolate DURING the migraine, it might help? When I hurt like that I will try almost anything. Drugs don't scratch the surface. I have not tried Imitrex, though. I suppose you need a script for that?

If this is getting too off-topic, please email me privately. I love to pick your brain!-- Warmest Regards,Robin LittleThe last research I read on this was that chocolate doesn't

*cause* the migraine, but migraines cause a craving for

chocolate. There is a series of events lasting some 24 hours

*before* you get the migraine, and toward the end of

that cycle people get this craving. They eat whatever it

is, then get the migraine, and blame the food they just eat.

In fact, it may have been whatever you ate the day before.

Anyway, I've found large doses of chocolate actually

mitigate migraine symptoms. Caffeine too. I think they

shrink the blood vessels (as does Imitrex). The idea

was suggested to me by a neurologist.

Magnesium, calcium, and Vit B are also implicated

in migraines. The cause has to do with the calcium/ion

barrier ... which changes also because of hormones,

and the same protocol that works for migraines also

works for PMS. Which makes me wonder if iodine doesn't

fit in there somewhere too, since the iodine appears

to help with a slew of " hormone related " issues.

I stopped getting migraines completely though, when

I stopped eating dairy. It's been a few years. I used to

get them 5x a month, and they were definitely hormonally

timed. I still get them if I eat dairy and don't take clay

with it. Which makes me wonder if dairy messes

with hormones too. Or maybe it's all that bromine

in cow milk ...

[Guest guest]

Maybe you meant , instead of me? But anyway I only have one cup of tea per day, and no other caffiene at all ever. I don't take any pain relievers ever at all.My headaches are not chronic, but only occur when I mess up.

They are migraines, not tension, but I do have tension along with them. Only one side is affected, always the right.I don't drink wine at all, ever.The dairy is definitely a factor. I have switched to almond milk, homemade, but I still cheat with ice cream occasionally. Thus the problem.

The estradiol patch made me feel like a scrap of fluff. I refuse to use anything that makes me that passive and flat. They (doctors) refused to give me any but a token amount of testosterone. Thanks for your input. I will check out that site.

If this is getting too off-topic, please email me privately.-- Warmest Regards,Robin LittleRobin,

You have things backwards:

1. Caffeine rebound is a major cause of what is called Chronic tension

type headaches. Typically, start in morning and start in neck and

affect both sides. Withdrawal from caffeine can take 3 weeks. Do not

take caffeine or excedrin for headaches.

2. Hormonal headache are real. See Dr. Lichten's webpages on migraine at http://www.usdoctor.com. Simple hormonal treatments like an estradiol patch may prevent most menstrually related migraine.

3. Diet can trigger headaches. Avoid wine, cheese and dairy to start.

drlichten@...

[Guest guest]

I was happy to hear that chocolate does not contain bromine. I knew,

though, that it did bother my thyroid for some reason. Before I ever

knew about bromine issues, I had thought it was the oxalates, because

oxalates do cause problems for me. I retried some chocolate over the

past two or three days, and it still does bother me. I've also been

having nosebleeds, and so I googled lugol's + nosebleeds and found an

interesting post about Vitamin K2 and oxalates(I did not include

oxalates in the search!!!). I think I have other issues besides iodine

deficiency, and maybe the Vitamin K2 will help with them.

Anyway, if you find that you can't handle chocolate even though some

people can, you may want to look at oxalate issues, too.

Betsy

-- In iodine , " violeta099 " <elizabethswope@...> wrote:

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> -- In iodine , " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@>

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> That is really good news!!!

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> Betsy

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[Guest guest]

VRP.com sells a supplement called Pedadolex that helps with migraines and you don't need a prescription.

here is the link:

http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=9516

Hope this helps.

Laurie