Re: Using bio-identical progesrtone cream with Iodine

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Hi Dr. Lanphier,What brand do you recommend?From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...>Subject: RE: Using bio-identical progesrtone cream with Iodineiodine Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 8:05 PM

Unfortunately,

, this progesterone cream is not all-natural. I¢m not

doubting at all that it works, but it does contain chemicals. Titanium

dioxide is very questionable in any type of product put on the skin. I

would also imagine that the Vitamin E is synthetic, but I may be wrong.

Sodium borate is Borax. I also wonder about the progesterone since USP is

not indicated, possibly that is a typo. And there are also other good

progesterone creams that are offered that contain higher percentages of

progesterone. You say that your son is using it, is he older than

40? If not, then he should not be using natural progesterone, according

to Dr. Lee.

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Just to double check - I thought it was considered risky to apply Progesterone

cream directly to the beast. Risky in terms of breast cancer --- could someone

verify whether this is consider to be a safe practice??

In my opinion it would be very desirable to get testing done to see if you

actually need progesterone (because of deficiency) before you begin

administering it to yourself - it would also be desirable I think to work with

someone qualified.

I am probably in the minority on this list but I believe that blood tests are

more reliable that saliva tests (although saliva tests are likely more

economical if your insurance is not going to cover it) and saliva tests may be

easier to obtain. I did not have positive results with my saliva test and the

treatment plan that it is based on - I think the problem may have been with the

way the test was interpreted - I have low estrogen/estrodiol but the company

that did the saliva test did not sell estradiol - and it seemed from the way

they displayed my results in graph form that I was " Estrogen Dominent " when in

fact my estrodiol levels were likely at menopausal levels at around age 30. I

since had blood tests and have had much better results with my treatment plan

that was based on the blood testing.

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Another good book, written by a doctor who mentions Dr. Hertoghe in

her book although I don't know how extensively she's studied with

him, is The Natural Hormone Makeover by Phuli Cohan, MD. This book

has great information about estrogen and progesterone in the context

of the whole endocrine system and wellness generally.

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and we see great results

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Hi All, My name is Ardi. I have lyme disease which has caused all kinds of problems so keeping up with it all is mostly beyond me, but I'm trying. I have been following along with this discussion for a while and have some questions that I am sure, based on all the knowledge displayed here, someone can help with. My questions are, 1)how do I go about correctly using the Rx for progesterone cream that I will be picking up from my compounding pharmacy tomorrow? And, 2)how do I know for sure it is the right cream? It sound like, from what I am reading here, that I need to be very careful to use the right thing and to use it the right way in order to get the results I need.A little background: I am using lugols for hashimotos and other assorted thyroid issues and

will be switching over to ioderol when it runs out in a few weeks. I am 52 years old, newly menopausal. In exactly two years I have gone from running my own business with energy to spare, as well as, running effortlessly on the beach for miles while looking great in a bikini to a hanging belly, ripply arms, saggy legs, saggy everything, wrinkled face, no muscle, weak, sick, practically housebound, can barely walk, can no longer work, can hardly think, and look older than my 76 year old mother who runs circles around me. And it all happened when I went through menopause. In other words, I turned 50 looking and feeling 30 and I turned 52 looking and feeling 80. So...while I believe lyme brought on hormone imbalance, I also believe hormone imbalance brought on lyme symptoms. (Since it all started at menopause.) It's kinda like the chicken and the egg question and doesn't matter. I just gotta fix it. Thanks for any ideas on how. From: White Dove <whitedove@...>Subject: Re: Using bio-identical progesrtone cream with Iodineiodine Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 11:18 AM

>You say that your son is using it, is he older than 40? If not, then he should not be using

>natural progesterone, according to Dr. Lee.

My son is 19 and is using it for ADD. It has also been used on many children I know with great success.

We are all bombarded with estrogen these days, in our food, water, etc. We all have symptoms of estrogen dominance at any age. Dr. Lee was great for his time, but there is new information out there.>Also, please be aware that it usually takes from 3-6 months before major symptom relief is

>experienced.

Not with the proper dosing. My son's ADD symptoms improved with the first dose. My clients have had hot flashes disappear after the first dose. My fibromyalgia symptoms improved within days.

>Many actually experience some estrogen dominance symptoms before all the receptor sites

>are open

Again, not with proper dosing.

>If used correctly and in order for symptom relief to last, it needs to be a whole-body

>approach,

Yes, this is true, and very important.

>I am hoping to release my new book, Proven Secrets to Whole Body Hormone Balance,

sometime next year. It continues to be a huge undertaking because I want to be sure to

address all avenues that work, are truly natural and non-toxic. It will also include a very

healthy diet for aiding in hormone balance. I am still in the writing and editing stage so it will

>probably be late next year before it is released.

Then, I suggest that you contact Dr. Platt www.drplatt. com to learn about his experiences with treating patients with his protocol, because it works and is life-changing for everyone I know who has tried it.

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>In exactly two years I have gone from running my own business with energy

>to spare, as well as,

running effortlessly on the beach for miles while looking great in a bikini

to a hanging belly, ripply

arms, saggy legs, saggy everything, wrinkled face, no muscle, weak, sick,

practically housebound,

>can barely walk, can no longer work, can hardly think, and look older than

>my 76

I was starting to get saggy and wrinkled before Dr. Platt increased my

Progesterone Cream to 100 mg before each meal. My skin has gotten tighter

and wrinkles have disappeared. Not to mention how much better I feel in

general. I just cannot recommend his protocol enough.

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Thank you. That makes me feel hopeful, and that is not an emotion I feel much of lately. I have taken estrogen(s) and testosterone (the latter after testing) without good results. I really want to be sure I use this correctly. I went to Dr. Platt's site and was encouraged by what I read there but I am not able to go to him directly. I have chemical sensitivities and worry about additives. Does his site explain the exact protocol or is it different for each individual? Is it likely the cream I get will list all the ingredients? So many questions!!From: White Dove <whitedove@...>Subject: Re: Using

bio-identical progesrtone cream with Iodineiodine Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:57 PM

>In exactly two years I have gone from running my own business with energy

>to spare, as well as,

running effortlessly on the beach for miles while looking great in a bikini

to a hanging belly, ripply

arms, saggy legs, saggy everything, wrinkled face, no muscle, weak, sick,

practically housebound,

>can barely walk, can no longer work, can hardly think, and look older than

>my 76

I was starting to get saggy and wrinkled before Dr. Platt increased my

Progesterone Cream to 100 mg before each meal. My skin has gotten tighter

and wrinkles have disappeared. Not to mention how much better I feel in

general. I just cannot recommend his protocol enough.

Namaste,

http://www.askclaud ia.com

Accurate Psychic Readings, Alternative

Healing, Articles, EBooks, Classes

http://www.lightwor kersupplies. com

Jewelry, Crystals, Crystal Wands, Shirts and more

http://www.bodymind spirithealing. com

Alternative Energy Healing for healing in body,

mind and spirit.

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So you take 300mg every day? Are you going through menopause? If so,

do you know what would be a normal dose for a pre-menopausal woman?

I'm on a 100mg sublingual troche the last two weeks of my period each

cycle.

>

> >In exactly two years I have gone from running my own business with

energy

> >to spare, as well as,

> running effortlessly on the beach for miles while looking great in a

bikini

> to a hanging belly, ripply

> arms, saggy legs, saggy everything, wrinkled face, no muscle, weak,

sick,

> practically housebound,

> >can barely walk, can no longer work, can hardly think, and look

older than

> >my 76

>

> I was starting to get saggy and wrinkled before Dr. Platt increased my

> Progesterone Cream to 100 mg before each meal. My skin has gotten

tighter

> and wrinkles have disappeared. Not to mention how much better I feel in

> general. I just cannot recommend his protocol enough.

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> http://www.askclaudia.com

> Accurate Psychic Readings, Alternative

> Healing, Articles, EBooks, Classes

>

> http://www.lightworkersupplies.com

> Jewelry, Crystals, Crystal Wands, Shirts and more

>

> http://www.bodymindspirithealing.com

> Alternative Energy Healing for healing in body,

> mind and spirit.

>

> http://www.magickaljewelryandtalismans.com

>

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Again, just as with

iodine usage, it is always most beneficial to test before using

bio-identical hormones. Symptoms can overlap and there may be other

reasons (for symptoms) that would require something other or in addition to

bioidentical progesterone. Do your due diligence before you begin

by getting a baseline saliva test so that you can monitor yourself and

therefore not waste money on unneeded products/supplements. I would recommend

ZRT labs for saliva testing. This is one area where testing is absolutely

worth the time and money.

Because we are all so different in lifestyle (stress, emotions, diet, toxin

exposure, exercise, etc.) not everyone’s experience will be

identical. A bad experience doesn’t mean that something will

be bad for everyone, nor does a good experience mean that something will help

everyone. In my experience, the reasons that bioidentical progesterone

seemingly may not work are: 1) No testing was done to see if it was actually

needed; 2) Compliance and/ or consistency with dosage (thus putting hormones on

an up and down roller-coaster ride); 3) Use of an oral progesterone or

synthetic progestin (progestin and bioidentical progesterone are not the same;

4) Use of a cream that was full of chemicals or one that was in packaging that

had an affect on the proper distribution of the progesterone. None of us are

cookie-cutters so going by other’s experiences or recommendations may not

be a good way to determine one’s particular health needs. And

while proper dosaging is always critical (any good practitioner will tell you

this), it is not the only criteria as to whether results are seen quickly or

not. Balancing takes time and must be approached from a whole body view.

Also, some women will experience encouraging symptom relief early on only to

then experience an “estrogen dominance” flare-up. It happens all

the time even with “correct” dosaging. This occurrence turns many

off of bioidentical progesterone because they feel like all the sudden the

cream is not working. Sometimes this flare-up will last a bit, so

patience is the key. Remember, I am assuming that testing has been

implemented, indicating an actual need for progesterone. I have found the best

way to determine if progesterone will help is to test (saliva – much better

than serum, although serum can be helpful if used in conjunction), compile

symptoms, look at past health history and know the client. There is no

way to do all of that on health forums. Do your research, compile your

information and then decide what is best for you and your particular

health concern. Find a good practitioner that is willing to be a part of

your health-team and thus recommend the correct dosage for your symptoms and

health history. And make sure that you communicate with your

practitioner.

These are definitely new times but because Dr. Lee laid a wonderful foundation,

we must not discard those principles in the name of “new times.”

For example, I certainly believe that higher levels of progesterone than what

Dr. Lee recommended are not harmful and will “usually” give faster

results, but not everyone needs higher levels in order to implement

balancing. And, I do not believe that most women will need to stay on natural

progesterone for the rest of their life as it is always best to try to bring

the body back into balance so that it can operate the way it was intended to

operate.

Then, I

suggest that you contact Dr. Platt www.drplatt.com to learn about his experiences

with treating patients with his protocol, because it works and is life-changing

for everyone I know who has tried it.

, thanks for the suggestion. I

am always willing/wanting to learn. From looking at his website and listening

to the interview I would imagine that, as far as philosophy goes, we would

agree almost completely. I never said that his protocol/product

didn’t work other than I would highly question putting males on

progesterone…..while that may work, it doesn’t mean that it is best

in the long run. Many women would tell you that what I recommend works

and is life-changing and I know without a doubt this could be said for a lot of

healthcare practitioners that provide natural hormone balancing.

There is no one protocol, for any disease, illness or imbalance that works for

every one, every single time.

My main concern was to encourage everyone to be knowledgeable about the

ingredients of any bio-identical hormones that are used….or, for that

matter, anything that is consumed or applied to the body. We have been

told that the minute amounts of these toxic ingredients and preservatives

don’t really matter. The truth is that if we were only getting one

toxic ingredient, maybe it wouldn’t have much of an effect. However this

is not the case since the average American uses between 8-15 personal care

products daily that are laden with chemicals! That doesn’t even

take into account all the chemicals from food and water. Those

“minute” amounts suddenly can become large amounts and people end

up paying with the loss of health.

Be Well

Loretta

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> Does his site explain the exact protocol or is it different for each individual?

The protocol is in his book http://www.bodymindspirithealing.com/progesterone.htm along with testimonials about how it has helped different health issues.

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> So you take 300mg every day? Are you going through menopause? If so,

> do you know what would be a normal dose for a pre-menopausal woman?

I have not had a period in almost a year. I started that using 300 mg while

still pre-menopausal.

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Loretta, in a previous post you mentioned about vitamin E being

synthetic. How does one tell?

Tara