Re: Supplementing with Calcium

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nappynutter wrote:

> I was wondering if many of you supplement with calcium. I know the

> breast cancer choices web site doesn't recommend taking more than

> 2000-3000mg calcium as it can inhibit the iodine from working.

>

> I've been having sore joints and wondered if it was not unbalanced

> just taking the recommended 800mg magnesium and if this may have

> caused an imbalance? Should I supplement with some calcium? I have

> about 1/2 cup of raw milk per day plus green etc.

>

> Thanks.

As to taking calcium supplements, Americans already get more than most

countries in the world and have a higher incidence of bone loss and

heart disease than most of those countries as well. This recent study

had me concerned about calcium supplementation since a modest addition

of calcium supplements to diet result in an increase of death from heart

related events.

Vascular events in healthy older women receiving calcium

supplementation: randomized controlled trial

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/bmj.39440.525752.BEv1

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Abstract

Objective To determine the effect of calcium supplementation on

myocardial infarction, stroke, and sudden death in healthy

postmenopausal women.

Design Randomized, placebo controlled trial.

Setting Academic medical centre in an urban setting in New Zealand.

Participants 1471 postmenopausal women (mean age 74): 732 were

randomized to calcium supplementation and 739 to placebo.

Main outcome measures Adverse cardiovascular events over five years:

death, sudden death, myocardial infarction, angina, other chest pain,

stroke, transient ischaemic attack, and a composite end point of

myocardial infarction, stroke, or sudden death.

Results Myocardial infarction was more commonly reported in the calcium

group than in the placebo group (45 events in 31 women v 19 events in 14

women, P=0.01). The composite end point of myocardial infarction,

stroke, or sudden death was also more common in the calcium group (101

events in 69 women v 54 events in 42 women, P=0.008). After adjudication

myocardial infarction remained more common in the calcium group (24

events in 21 women v 10 events in 10 women, relative risk 2.12, 95%

confidence interval 1.01 to 4.47). For the composite end point 61 events

were verified in 51 women in the calcium group and 36 events in 35 women

in the placebo group (relative risk 1.47, 0.97 to 2.23). When unreported

events were added from the national database of hospital admissions in

New Zealand the relative risk of myocardial infarction was 1.49 (0.86 to

2.57) and that of the composite end point was 1.21 (0.84 to 1.74). The

respective rate ratios were 1.67 (95% confidence intervals 0.98 to 2.87)

and 1.43 (1.01 to 2.04); event rates: placebo 16.3/1000 person years,

calcium 23.3/1000 person years. For stroke (including unreported events)

the relative risk was 1.37 (0.83 to 2.28) and the rate ratio was 1.45

(0.88 to 2.49).

Conclusion Calcium supplementation in healthy postmenopausal women is

associated with upward trends in cardiovascular event rates. This

potentially detrimental effect should be balanced against the likely

benefits of calcium on bone.

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Thanks for that Steve. Any suggestions on why my joints might all be

aching? Today was especially bad. I've never had sore joints, I would

say I've been fit and healthy, active alert etc until I started my

Iodine protocol (as on breast cancer choices). I got rid of the breast

lump which I'm estatic about but now seemed to have created other issues.

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Grant and Tara wrote:

> Thanks for that Steve. Any suggestions on why my joints might all be

> aching? Today was especially bad. I've never had sore joints, I would

> say I've been fit and healthy, active alert etc until I started my

> Iodine protocol (as on breast cancer choices). I got rid of the breast

> lump which I'm estatic about but now seemed to have created other issues.

I really cannot say as joint issues is an area I haven't looked into

very well and certainly not with purpose. However, I have done some

reading on DMSO and one of the areas that is mentioned is joint pain and

inflammation. DMSO, used for quite a long time especially in animals,

is available from many retailers although only approved for one FDA

application. People with arthritic pain, who know about it, find it is

one of the most effective options for join pain and inflammation relief.

I have no personal experience with that application however - I only

have what I've read of other people's experience which as you know,

always leaves something to be desired.

I've have a little pain in one joint of my finger which seemed to come

one after starting Iodine 50 mg/day. I bought some DMSO but haven't

tried it as of yet on the problem joint although DMSO seems to be

systemic in that it works everywhere no matter where it is initially

applied being quickly absorbed.

Some few people have negative reactions to Iodine. I know in this group

all reactions to Iodine are attributed to bromide detox which means no

one points the finger at Iodine overload/overdose. Not that bromide

detox is unreal, that may be a problem and not something to discount out

of hand.

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[Guest guest]

Try immersing yourself in a tub of hot epsom salt solution. Find out

from the net how much of the salt in a gallon of water...

> > Thanks for that Steve. Any suggestions on why my joints might all

be

> > aching? Today was especially bad. I've never had sore joints, I

would

> > say I've been fit and healthy, active alert etc until I started

my

> > Iodine protocol (as on breast cancer choices). I got rid of the

breast

> > lump which I'm estatic about but now seemed to have created other

issues.

>

> I really cannot say as joint issues is an area I haven't looked

into

> very well and certainly not with purpose. However, I have done

some

> reading on DMSO and one of the areas that is mentioned is joint

pain and

> inflammation. DMSO, used for quite a long time especially in

animals,

> is available from many retailers although only approved for one FDA

> application. People with arthritic pain, who know about it, find

it is

> one of the most effective options for join pain and inflammation

relief.

> I have no personal experience with that application however - I

only

> have what I've read of other people's experience which as you know,

> always leaves something to be desired.

>

> I've have a little pain in one joint of my finger which seemed to

come

> one after starting Iodine 50 mg/day. I bought some DMSO but

haven't

> tried it as of yet on the problem joint although DMSO seems to be

> systemic in that it works everywhere no matter where it is

initially

> applied being quickly absorbed.

>

> Some few people have negative reactions to Iodine. I know in this

group

> all reactions to Iodine are attributed to bromide detox which means

no

> one points the finger at Iodine overload/overdose. Not that

bromide

> detox is unreal, that may be a problem and not something to

discount out

> of hand.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

[Guest guest]

About the pain in the joints- I was reading about gout and CPPD (forms of arthritis) on Dr. Mercola's site- Then- I found the following at at www.about. arthritis.com: "Pseudogout - CPPD - Causes - Diagnosis - Symptoms - Treatment (calcium pyrophosphate dihydrate

deposition disease) -- is caused by deposits of calcium phosphate

crystals -- not uric acid -- in the joints. CPPD is often mistaken as

gouty arthritis. Since pseudogout is a different condition than gout,

treatment is not the same as gout disease." Why is the calcium depositing in the joints and most probably other soft tissues ?

[Guest guest]

>

> Why is the calcium depositing in the joints and most probably other

soft tissues ?

>

Some people say this happens when magnesium is insufficient, but I do

not know this as an absolute fact. Anyway, there are products at the

health food store that are supposed to dissolve Ca deposits.

[Guest guest]

Sylvia,

Calcium deposit buildups, whether in the arteries (arteriosclerosis)

or in joints, is indicative of a magnesium deficiency. Because of the

poor quality of food grown today (even fresh food), you need to

supplement. The best way to supplement is transdermally using

magnesium chloride (no bowel issues here). Another good way is to take

magnesium taurate orally.

>

> About the pain in the joints- I was reading about gout and CPPD

(forms of arthritis) on Dr. Mercola's site- Then- I found the

following at  at www.about. arthritis.com:  " Pseudogout - CPPD -

Causes - Diagnosis - Symptoms - Treatment   (calcium pyrophosphate

dihydrate

> deposition disease) -- is caused by deposits of calcium phosphate

> crystals -- not uric acid -- in the joints. CPPD is often mistaken as

> gouty arthritis. Since pseudogout is a different condition than gout,

> treatment is not the same as gout disease. "   

> Why is the calcium depositing in the joints and most probably other

soft tissues ?

>

[Guest guest]

Another possibility - you can read about here or doing a google search:

The Calcium Bomb: The Nanobacteria Link to Heart Disease & Cancer

http://www.amazon.com/Calcium-Bomb-Nanobacteria-Disease-Cancer/dp/1594111014

Calcium build up anywhere may be nanobacteria linked and caused.

Nanobacteria have been found in calcium deposits throughout the body

including arteries, brain, prostate, and kidney stones.

There is a magnesium deficiency in the western world. My preferences is

magnesium citrate.

Steve

yburkett wrote:

> Sylvia,

>

> Calcium deposit buildups, whether in the arteries (arteriosclerosis)

> or in joints, is indicative of a magnesium deficiency. Because of the

> poor quality of food grown today (even fresh food), you need to

> supplement. The best way to supplement is transdermally using

> magnesium chloride (no bowel issues here). Another good way is to take

> magnesium taurate orally.

>

>

>

>

>> About the pain in the joints- I was reading about gout and CPPD

> (forms of arthritis) on Dr. Mercola's site- Then- I found the

> following at at www.about. arthritis.com: " Pseudogout - CPPD -

> Causes - Diagnosis - Symptoms - Treatment (calcium pyrophosphate

> dihydrate

>> deposition disease) -- is caused by deposits of calcium phosphate

>> crystals -- not uric acid -- in the joints. CPPD is often mistaken as

>> gouty arthritis. Since pseudogout is a different condition than gout,

>> treatment is not the same as gout disease. "

>> Why is the calcium depositing in the joints and most probably other

> soft tissues ?

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Steve - dudescholar4@...

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[Guest guest]

On my Native Nutrition Group, the reason for taking K2 (not k1)

supplements with Cod Liver Oil (CLO) was to tell the calcium, once

activated by the CLO, where to go: into your bones/teeth, not in

joints/soft tissue. Try supplementing with K2.

On Dec 12, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Sylvia Pisarski Onusic wrote:

About the pain in the joints- I was reading about gout and CPPD (forms

of arthritis) on Dr. Mercola's site- Then- I found the following at  at

www.about. arthritis.com:  " Pseudogout - CPPD - Causes - Diagnosis -

Symptoms - Treatment   (calcium pyrophosphate dihydrate deposition

disease) -- is caused by deposits of calcium phosphate crystals -- not

uric acid -- in the joints. CPPD is often mistaken as gouty arthritis.

Since pseudogout is a different condition than gout, treatment is not

the same as gout disease. "   

Why is the calcium depositing in the joints and most probably other

soft tissues ?

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I bought the transdermal magnesium from puremagoil.com

I cannot find the article on why you need more mag than calcium. Can

you find the link and send? This time I will print it out.

Thanks,

On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:54 AM, yburkett wrote:

Calcium deposit buildups, whether in the arteries (arteriosclerosis)

or in joints, is indicative of a magnesium deficiency. Because of the

poor quality of food grown today (even fresh food), you need to

supplement. The best way to supplement is transdermally using

magnesium chloride (no bowel issues here). Another good way is to take

magnesium taurate orally.

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Purported origins of Natto K2.

" In contrast to Vitamin K1, Vitamin K2 does not concentrate in the

liver. Vitamin K2 works primarily outside of the liver (extrahepatic)

in the bone and blood vessels. The richest natural source of Vitamin

K2 is derived from a Japanese folk medicinal food called Natto.

HISTORY

According to legend, the first person to originate traditional

Japanese natto was the famous warrior Yoshiie Minamoto during the

Heian era of Japanese history (794-1192 A.D.). The horse was an

extremely important to the Japanese samurai warrior of the period and

great care was given to provide suitable provisions for the horses

when armies were on the move. Typically, boiled soybeans were cooled

down, dried in the sun and packed immediately in rice straw bags for

transport with the army. If the army was on a rapid deployment, the

boiled soybeans were packed hastily into the rice straw bags without

cooling or drying. The rice straw just happened to contain a harmless

and naturally-occurring microorganism, Bacillus subtilis natto that

fermented the soybeans and produced natto with its characteristic

sticky texture.

Initially, the soybeans were presumed to have spoiled until Yoshiie

Minamoto observed that his horses were " picky eaters " and demonstrated

a preference for the " spoiled " soybeans or natto. One day, Minamoto

demonstrated tremendous courage and dipped his finger into the

seemingly " rotten goo " . To his astonishment, the fermented soybeans

were not only edible but had a distinct Umami flavor. Minamoto was

responsible for introducing natto to the northwestern Japan where he

ruled. To this day, natto is especially popular in that region of

Japan and a folk remedy for fatigue, beriberi, dysentery, heart and

vascular diseases. "

From Dr. Gordon's site.

[Guest guest]

, Conventional " wisdom " puts the ideal ratio of calcium to

magnesium at 2:1. However, this ratio could be in error, as indicated

in this link: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index/Education/Magnesium

I love eating almonds, and the ratio of calcium to magnesium is

approximately 1:1 for this nut (not referring to myself!).

>

> Hi ,

>

> I bought the transdermal magnesium from puremagoil.com

>

> I cannot find the article on why you need more mag than calcium. Can

> you find the link and send? This time I will print it out.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

Can you give us Dr. Gordon's site? Thanks,

On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Mrs. Barley wrote:

Minamoto was

responsible for introducing natto to the northwestern Japan where he

ruled. To this day, natto is especially popular in that region of

Japan and a folk remedy for fatigue, beriberi, dysentery, heart and

vascular diseases. "

From Dr. Gordon's site.

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

the article was just what I wanted.

On Dec 13, 2008, at 11:00 AM, yburkett wrote:

, Conventional " wisdom " puts the ideal ratio of calcium to

magnesium at 2:1. However, this ratio could be in error, as indicated

in this link: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index/Education/Magnesium

I love eating almonds, and the ratio of calcium to magnesium is

approximately 1:1 for this nut (not referring to myself!).

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

>

> Minamoto was

> responsible for introducing natto to the northwestern Japan where he

> ruled. To this day, natto is especially popular in that region of

> Japan and a folk remedy for fatigue, beriberi, dysentery, heart and

> vascular diseases. "

>

> From Dr. Gordon's site.

>

> Parashis

> artpages@...

>

> artpagesonline.com

>

Hi. You would go to www.gordonresearch.com

Look on the left side of the page for Cardiovascular, click there, and

you will eventually find a pdf article on nattokinase, " Natto The Food

of Warriors "

Hope this works. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, it was fascinating. I'm buying natto regularly from now on.

On Dec 14, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Barley wrote:

Hi. You would go to www.gordonresearch.com

Look on the left side of the page for Cardiovascular, click there, and

you will eventually find a pdf article on nattokinase, " Natto The Food

of Warriors "

Hope this works. Thanks.

Parashis

artpages@...

artpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

You can get natto from www.vitacost.com in a pill form called NSK-SD

It costs like 29 for 90 of them. My doctor has me take them every 12

hours for full coverage.

These capsule have helped me to fight a battle against blood clots. I

had 7 in about a year's time in left calf. Did 5 clots while doing the

aspirin therapy which doesn't work very well for women from what my

doctors said. did surgery and still had another clot so now do natto.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Vitamin Research Products has it too http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=6251

VRP also sells ATP CoFactors and Iodoral so you can save on shipping if you are looking to do that.

Steph

Re: Re: Supplementing with Calcium

You can get natto from www.vitacost.com in a pill form called NSK-SDIt costs like 29 for 90 of them. My doctor has me take them every 12hours for full coverage.These capsule have helped me to fight a battle against blood clots. Ihad 7 in about a year's time in left calf. Did 5 clots while doing theaspirin therapy which doesn't work very well for women from what mydoctors said. did surgery and still had another clot so now do natto.Pam

[Guest guest]

re Natto/Nattokinase.

Years ago I made traditional oriental foods/medicines/substances from

various sorts of cultures (as well as fermented caucasian products).

So I decided I would pick up where I left off 25 years ago - and try

making my own natto, also. Apparently it tastes bad, but I don't

care. Hope to report back in a few weeks or so, after I receive my

starter in the mail! (From gemcultures.)