Re: Palpitations - natural iodine - Dr Rind - thyroid/adrenal mix -

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Sorry for not replying sooner Rowena - I can't keep up with

reading.

I would like to learn to cook with some sea vegies too but I can barely

cook at all! My daughter has taken over given my health issues and

she's fairly ordinary although loves to try new things. Having to

consider low carb is just another problem in her cooking.

My doc alerted me to the Zen Chi machine so I bought one and use it

daily.

I will start taking my temp several times during the day but I can safely

say that it is different every morning. I assume that would mean my

adrenals are weak.

As for the item you are trying to come to grips with, here are some of my

issues:

www.drrind.com

I have palpitations, am relatively pale, have unstable temperatures

etc), thinning of the outer eyebrows, easy weight gain, I'm sluggish at

times, excessive sleep at times but also insomnia, a decreased ability to

fight infection....pallor, difficulty losing weight, anxiety only on

occasion, exaggerated startle reflex, insomnia and un-refreshing sleep,

low blood pressure, ...auto-immune problems.

" Most people have a mixture of poor thyroid and poor adrenal

function rather than purely one or the other, and therefore a mixture of

symptoms. (Dr Rind again) ... "

I follow a low carb diet, I take no vegetable oils (well not regularly

anyway). I don't take caffeine, diet pills, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. I

love the Zen Chi for the exercise and the 'chill out' factor. I do

reiki and meditation every day but I think I work too much.

Thanks Rowena....................LD

Posted by: " Rowena " newses@... fronwen6225

Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:58 am (PDT)

Well, Lethal - er sorry, Leithal - Dame, hug hug, I suppose sea food

might be naturally rich in iodine, and I did come across a number of

foods said to contain it, but the true answer is that I don't know, and

am still kind of looking.

Here's a kind of clue, in a negative sort of way: On the opposite side of

the coin of insufficient iodine is taking too much from iodine-containing

herbs such as kelp, bladderwrack, or bugleweed can increase your risk for

hypothyroidism. (from StopTheThyroidMadness).

Or Seafoods, including seaweeds, are high in iodine and are a good source

of extra iodine. from Thyroid Australia Home-www.thyroid.org.au

Originally people would get all their iodine from dietary sources:

soybeans, cauliflower, peanuts, etc. But much agricultural farmland is

now iodine deficient, leading to reduced levels in iodine in foods.

(Brownstein, I think - forgot to note source).

I will just make sure you realise that the words below about cold turkey

and coffee are not mine, they are a quote.

I'm the one who just gave up coffee - again - after reading articles like

this and because I wanted to trial some homeopathics. But I lost track of

those during a bout of flu or cold - let's hope it was really just a bit

of herxing.

I have heard excellent reports of the Zen Chi machine from close friends,

also the QRS, but their price has shot up and apparently the original

supplier here in Australia doesn't sell them any more, but claims to have

something else (probably " better " ) instead.

I am forever buying Kelp, but actually consuming it has been a different

matter. I should put it in my seafood curry, but I simply never remember

it. (I probably ought to call it " Laksa " as I have plenty of

coconut milk in it also).

I also do have some seaweed, but haven't got a system going yet to

actually use it.

Through the brain fog, I am trying to understand the way treating one

thing can bring out the symptoms of its " opposite " . So if you

diminish the hypothyroid symptoms, you are apt to exhibit symptoms of

what appears to be one thing but is actually something else, to do with

the adrenals, I think. This may have been on

http://www.drrind.com/default.asp. Delightful articles; I need to

read them through again and again until something sticks:

" Whenever a patient comes in with depression, I look for a

suboptimal thyroid function. This is not the same as saying 'outside of

the normal range'. Optimal is a zone within the 'normal' range which I've

identified as the range at which I find my healthiest patients. ...

Thermal activity reflects metabolic activity. A low temperature means low

metabolism and vice versa. ... Wide variability in daily temperatures

indicates a weak adrenal function since the adrenal glands help the body

maintain stability. Good adrenal function produces a stable temperature.

....

· In a hypothyroid state, the day-to-day averages are low and very

stable. In a hypoadrenal state including adrenal exhaustion or adrenal

stress, the temperatures are low and unstable -- one day they may average

96 degrees and one to two degrees higher the next day. "

And here's the bit I want to get to grips with:

" Before reading on, I wish to point out an observation I've made

regarding the relationship of the thyroid to the adrenals. They seem to

have an inverse relationship. How we appear (physically, emotionally,

chemically etc. seems to be a function of how the thyroid and adrenals

relate to each other. A low adrenal function can appear like an

excessively high thyroid function (e.g., both may be thin, nervous, have

palpitations, be pale, have unstable temperatures etc). A low thyroid

function may appear as high adrenal function (e.g., both may appear

heavier than expected, have a reddish facial complexion, have stable

temperatures, be or appear calm etc).

If poor thyroid function is the only cause, we typically see a reddish

complexion, thinning of the outer eyebrows, easy weight gain, depression,

sluggishness, excessive sleep, high blood pressure, and a decreased

ability to fight infection. Conversely, if poor adrenal function is the

only cause, we typically see pallor, full eyebrows, difficulty gaining

weight (if the problem is severe), difficulty losing weight (if the

problem is moderate), anxiety, exaggerated startle reflex, insomnia and

un-refreshing sleep, low blood pressure, allergies and auto-immune

problems. Most people have a mixture of poor thyroid and poor adrenal

function rather than purely one or the other, and therefore a mixture of

symptoms. (Dr Rind again) ... A very common error made by medical

practitioners is to focus entirely on the thyroid and ignore the adrenals

In a weakened adrenal state, prescribing thyroid medication that contains

T4 and/or T3 may produce limited or transient improvement. Subsequent

increases of the dose offer little or no benefit as the medication pushes

the energy machinery into overdrive. Unfortunately, this higher energy

level is unsustainable due to the stress on the adrenals. Eventually the

adrenals become fatigued and the symptoms of low energy return. If,

however, the adrenals are functioning well, the thyroid hormones can do

their job and the result is good metabolic energy "

www.drrind.com

I too tend to low temp, low blood pressure, brain fog, and the other

things Dr Rind calls low metabolic energy.

He recommends: " Avoid the stressors and seek out those things that

help. Eat more proteins (especially amino acids) and fats (not vegetable

oils). Limit carbohydrates, especially sugars. Avoid stimulants and

physiologically stressful substances such as caffeine, diet pills,

alcohol, cigarettes, etc. If you have allergies, avoid the allergens -

common allergens are wheat and dairy ... Look for opportunities to

experience security, joy and optimism. Learn to avoid negative emotions

such as fear (e.g. horror movies), anger, etc. Increase rest - get as

much sleep as possible and make the timing as regular as possible.

Pushing too hard, excessive work or exercise, and any sleep deprivation

stresses the adrenals. ... " then he lists lots of other things to

do and eat and take.

So much fine information, so little brain power!

Rowena

" I went cold turkey on caffeine, drank more water and ate more salt,

and started exercising for the first time in my life, "

I don't drink caffeine but I started watching how much water I drink

quite some time ago. I take a lot of sea salt on food, Celtic or

Himalayan salt in my Vit C these days and bought a Zen Chi machine about

a month or so ago so I'm finally getting some exercise.

I've always been a bit wary of driving the thyroid if one has infections

in the body but I thought iodine was a good way to go.

Rowena, what is a 'natural' iodine product? Kelp?

I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:

S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)

S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C

The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so it looks

like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with them.

However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart, adrenal and

other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.

Thanks.........LD

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[Guest guest]

You don't actually have to " cook " with sea vegies to

get the benefits. I generally pulverize them in my blender

into a powder, add some salt, and put them in the salt

shaker. Also sometimes we add powdered fish or shrimp,

seseme seeds, cayenne, or whatever seems like a good idea

at the time.

The Japanese call this " furikake " but I call it " yummy " .

Anyway, it's really easy, cheap, and full of good stuff.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Leithal Dame

<leithaldame@...> wrote:

> Sorry for not replying sooner Rowena - I can't keep up with reading.

>

> I would like to learn to cook with some sea vegies too but I can barely cook

> at all! My daughter has taken over given my health issues and she's fairly

> ordinary although loves to try new things. Having to consider low carb is

> just another problem in her cooking.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Leithal,

You might try taking some magnesium, you have some symptoms of magnesium

deficiency. Anything but mag oxide. My favorite form is Natural Calm, it's a

lemon

raspberry flavor that you mix in hot water and drink like a tea before bed. You

start with 1

tsp and increase slowly until you get to 3 tsp.

Linn

>

> I have palpitations, am relatively pale, have

> unstable temperatures etc), thinning of the outer

> eyebrows, easy weight gain, I'm sluggish at

> times, excessive sleep at times but also

> insomnia, a decreased ability to fight

> infection....pallor, difficulty losing weight,

> anxiety only on occasion, exaggerated startle

> reflex, insomnia and un-refreshing sleep, low

> blood pressure, ...auto-immune problems.

[Guest guest]

Hi Linn, I'm sorry I haven't been keeping up with reading

but thanks for your suggestion. I do use topical magnesium and take

magnesium as well but my doc has just suggested a new type for me given

the palpitation issue. I'm writing another message regarding the

magnesium under the subject line " Magnesium Aspartate " which

will fill you in on what I'm doing now. I'm not familiar with the

one you are taking and not sure we have it here in

Australia.

Thanks so much Linn............LD

Posted by: " mwm1glm " mwm1glm@... mwm1glm -

Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:07 am (PDT)

Leithal, " You might try taking some magnesium, you have some

symptoms of magnesium deficiency. Anything but mag oxide. My favorite

form is Natural Calm, it's a lemon raspberry flavor that you mix in hot

water and drink like a tea before bed. You start with 1

tsp and increase slowly until you get to 3 tsp. " Linn

> I have palpitations, am relatively pale, have > unstable

temperatures etc), thinning of the outer > eyebrows, easy weight

gain, I'm sluggish at > times, excessive sleep at times but also >

insomnia, a decreased ability to fight > infection....pallor,

difficulty losing weight, > anxiety only on occasion, exaggerated

startle > reflex, insomnia and un-refreshing sleep, low > blood

pressure, ...auto-immune problems.