Blood Pressure Question

[Guest guest]

The numbers for children are different for adults.. I don't know them.

But I do remember when they took one of my kids BP that it " seemed " high

to me. But was told it was normal for her age. How old is your son? And

why is his BP being monitored?

If it was just at home on a lark, then it may be your cuff does not fit

him correctly.

Pulmonary hypertension is common .. but from my ( limited)

understanding it usually goes with the heart conditions? Did your child

have heart surgery? If so have him checked out. Now I have NO experience

here.. as Sam did not have heart issues, but I remember asking them

about it at Children's when she had her screening cause it was all fresh

in my mind from when we " crammed " the info on DS immediately after she

was born. I remember asking them specifically about Pulminary

hypertension.. cause while they were screening for heart.. none of the

docs/nurses were mentioning it. I wanted to make sure that was clear

before they shipped us out. We spent those first five days between her

birth and her screening doing nothing but reading and enjoying our baby.

Steph

" We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means

doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case,

the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. "

C.S.

Blood pressure question

Ben's blood pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was

146/100 which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down

Syndrome? I can't remember if it is and are there any kids on the site

with high bloodpressure taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

,

Firstly is the first reading a type /30 or /130? Really just curious -

Regardless those readings are far too high - to help lower it make sure he

is drinking loads of water, well at least the usual 8 glasses a day and not

over using salt. He will also need to exercise daily - imo preferably a 30

minute walk.

If his diet isn't that good, change his diet dramatically, I can help a

little if you want - me with the bp problems here, 18months ago similar

type readings now not taking medication, by basically changing my lifestyle.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

Blood pressure question

Ben's blood pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was 146/100

which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down Syndrome? I can't

remember if it is and are there any kids on the site with high bloodpressure

taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

Everything Jan said is right on target. I don't believe hypertension has been

an issue in DS.

But all she said is great. Salt is a big issue for people with hypertension.

Lots of fruits and veggies.

Also, when his BP is taken, make sure he is sitting down, with his arm resting

on a table or such, not holding it in the air. Also, if he has had a chance to

settle down, not rushing in to have it taken.

Sometimes, as the cuff is inflated, people tend to flex their arm muscles, that

can give a higher reading, especially if a machine is used, and not the old

fashioned method with cuff and stethoscope.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

South Carolina

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

Blood pressure question

Ben's blood pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was 146/100

which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down Syndrome? I can't

remember if it is and are there any kids on the site with high pressure

taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

One more thing. Sometimes people have an slightly higher BP in the physician's

office. It is a documented medical occurence known as " White Coat

Hypertension " , building on the fact that people generally are nervous in the MD

office, leading to elevated BP. You might want to buy a BP machine and monitor

his BP at home. They are available just about anywhere, Wal Mart, CVS, etc.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

South Carolina

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

Blood pressure question

Ben's blood pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was 146/100

which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down Syndrome? I can't

remember if it is and are there any kids on the site with high pressure

taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

Feet on floor to- not elevated

Aussie Leis- mum to 9 , Natasha 5 and 3.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort.

Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

>

>

> Also, when his BP is taken, make sure he is sitting down, with his arm

> resting on a table or such, not holding it in the air. Also, if he has

> had a chance to settle down, not rushing in to have it taken.

> Sometimes, as the cuff is inflated, people tend to flex their arm

> muscles, that can give a higher reading, especially if a machine is

> used, and not the old fashioned method with cuff and stethoscope.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone

Sharon is right. Some people are just scared of going to the doctors while

others get frustrated with the wait, treatment from rude nurses and staff, and

doctors who give McMedical service (Make you wait and wait and then see you for

5 minutes). Many people in the medical field are downright rude probably

because of the stress of their job.

All three of my kids with Down syndrome have higher blood pressure than me.

Mine averages 130 over 70. There's is just slightly higher. Mine was 220 over

120 for years. I got it down through practically eliminating cholesterol and

saturated fats, drinking lots of orange juice, and eating lots of food that

contain or are accompanied by garlic, honey, dark chocolate, onions, and mustard

(you would not want to eat all of that mixed together at one setting LOL)

The salt thing is now debatable among some doctors and scientists. It all

stemmed from a study that was done years ago on a tribe somewhere who had no

salt in their diet. They had lower blood pressure than other people in the

world. Since, many physicians have disclaimed or disproven it, but we all know

that large amounts of salt are not good for you.

Blood pressure medicine is helpful in most cases but almost all of it has side

effects and interacts with other medications, over the counter stuff, and even

some foods (like grapefruits and grapefruit juice). Always check with your

pharmacist about your BP medicine and what it might interact with. You might be

surprised.

All for now. We are bound for a 4H meeting.

Dad to , Kristi, (all three Down syndrome) and (Cri du

chat)

Husband to C. in Mo.

Uncle Daddy to and in Calif. (both Down syndrome)

Brother in law to in Calif.

Sharon <huie@...> wrote:

One more thing. Sometimes people have an slightly higher BP in the

physician's office. It is a documented medical occurence known as " White Coat

Hypertension " , building on the fact that people generally are nervous in the MD

office, leading to elevated BP. You might want to buy a BP machine and monitor

his BP at home. They are available just about anywhere, Wal Mart, CVS, etc.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

South Carolina

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

Blood pressure question

Ben's blood pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was 146/100

which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down Syndrome? I can't

remember if it is and are there any kids on the site with high pressure

taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

Definitely

Sharon

Re: Blood pressure question

Feet on floor to- not elevated

Aussie Leis- mum to 9 , Natasha 5 and 3.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough

people to make it worth the effort.

Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

Also, when his BP is taken, make sure he is sitting down, with his arm

resting on a table or such, not holding it in the air. Also, if he has had a

chance to settle down, not rushing in to have it taken.

Sometimes, as the cuff is inflated, people tend to flex their arm muscles,

that can give a higher reading, especially if a machine is used, and not the old

fashioned method with cuff and stethoscope.

[Guest guest]

The salt issue comes into play when the person has diminished heart function.

If someone has heart failure, or another complication that lowers heart

function, salt really comes into play. It is also an individual thing also,

some people are more susceptible to salt effects, which usually is fluid

retention.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

South Carolina

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

Blood pressure question

Ben's blood pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was 146/100

which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down Syndrome? I can't

remember if it is and are there any kids on the site with high pressure

taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

I understand your frustration with some medical professionals, but as we

want others to not generalize our children, please don't generalize medical

professionals. I too have been on the end of rude medical staff. Makes me

more aware as a registered nurse to be friendly and empathetic. Seems like

anymore people on a whole are rude just about anywhere. My last several

trips to Walmart I've experienced nothing but rudeness. For instance

Austin is very friendly and can read name tags, so he happily said " "

and smiled, extended his had for a handshake, the clerk just looked right

through Austin and would not even acknowledge him, crack a smile or say

hello. I was so furious, I even turned in a complaint, not that it would do

anything. But made me feel a little better.

Some people when they are nervous/stressed, will have elevated BP, as is

Austin when he visits the doctor if he is to have his blood work done, His

blood pressure will be elevated in that situation.

Take care :-)

Kelli Mom to Austin DS 11 yr, 2 1/2 yr.

-- Re: Blood pressure question

Hi everyone

Sharon is right. Some people are just scared of going to the doctors while

others get frustrated with the wait, treatment from rude nurses and staff,

and doctors who give McMedical service (Make you wait and wait and then see

you for 5 minutes). Many people in the medical field are downright rude

probably because of the stress of their job.

All three of my kids with Down syndrome have higher blood pressure than me.

Mine averages 130 over 70. There's is just slightly higher. Mine was 220

over 120 for years. I got it down through practically eliminating

cholesterol and saturated fats, drinking lots of orange juice, and eating

lots of food that contain or are accompanied by garlic, honey, dark

chocolate, onions, and mustard (you would not want to eat all of that mixed

together at one setting LOL)

The salt thing is now debatable among some doctors and scientists. It all

stemmed from a study that was done years ago on a tribe somewhere who had no

salt in their diet. They had lower blood pressure than other people in the

world. Since, many physicians have disclaimed or disproven it, but we all

know that large amounts of salt are not good for you.

Blood pressure medicine is helpful in most cases but almost all of it has

side effects and interacts with other medications, over the counter stuff,

and even some foods (like grapefruits and grapefruit juice). Always check

with your pharmacist about your BP medicine and what it might interact with.

You might be surprised.

All for now. We are bound for a 4H meeting.

Dad to , Kristi, (all three Down syndrome) and (Cri du

chat)

Husband to C. in Mo.

Uncle Daddy to and in Calif. (both Down syndrome)

Brother in law to in Calif.

Sharon <huie@...> wrote:

One more thing. Sometimes people have an slightly higher BP in the physician

s office. It is a documented medical occurence known as " White Coat

Hypertension " , building on the fact that people generally are nervous in the

MD office, leading to elevated BP. You might want to buy a BP machine and

monitor his BP at home. They are available just about anywhere, Wal Mart,

CVS, etc.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

South Carolina

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

Blood pressure question

Ben's blood pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was 146/100

which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down Syndrome? I can't

remember if it is and are there any kids on the site with high pressure

taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

I agree, Kelli. We always hear so much negative stuff about HMO's

for instance, but we have had such good care and no problems. This is Humana,

by the way. Everyone is nice, friendly and polite. We never have long

waits. Never any problem being treated. There was one doctor that I took

to that I wouldn't have let touch him with a 50 foot pole but that is the

only one we've ever had. had a ventral hernia and this guy said " These

people don't heal well enough to have surgery like that " . How stupid. We

saw another doctor that we both liked and it was a whole different attitude. He

did have the surgery, with no complications. Everyone was great. I know

that it is possible to get treatment like mentions but it has certainly

seldom been our experience. Jessie, mom of , DS, 42

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[Guest guest]

" One more thing. Sometimes people have an slightly higher BP in the

physician's office. It is a documented medical occurence known as " White

Coat Hypertension " , building on the fact that people generally are nervous

in the MD office, leading to elevated BP. "

Yep, that's me to a tee, or more to the fact depending on which GP in our

medical practice is actually doing the reading - 2 guys get low readings 2

get high readings - and I regularly go to one of the guys who gets a high

reading -

We are now into round 2 about my bp - having to see him again the end of

this week - I'm so stubborn and pig-headed I will win this argument with

him!!!! LOL

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

Blood pressure question

Ben's pressure yesterday was 143/30 and today at school it was 146/100

which has me concerned. Is hypertension common with Down Syndrome? I can't

remember if it is and are there any kids on the site with high pressure

taking medicine?

Thanks so much for any input.

Mattern

[Guest guest]

Hi Jessie and everyone,

As you know, we live in a small town where we are lucky to have any medical

care at all. That is why the kids, as a rule, go to specialists in Kansas City

and elsewhere (today we are traveling to another town to have evaluated

for a speech board).

The rudeness is not directly aimed at the kids, it is just general rudeness.

I have seen people in front of me treated rude and people behind me treated

rude, especially by the front office. The nurses, for the most part, act as if

you are bothering them. I think it is just general Ozark hillbilly/prairiebilly

mannerisms. When people sigh when you ask them something, I take that as rude.

We hardly ever get this treatment at Childrens Hospital or KU. One woman up

here at the clinic was so rude to and I in 1999, asked us to step back

farther so the people ahead of us could have privacy (this was before HIPPA).

When I got up there I told her, " You are the most rude insensitive individual I

have ever encountered in a public situation and you have no business being in a

position at a front desk that deals with the public 8 hours a day. " Next time

we went there, she was gone. (She had also worked at our bank and been rude

there; her brother at the time was the

town postmaster, and he was so bad to the employees up there I heard one of the

clerks say the other day, please do not mention that man's name when someone

asked him how Mr. --------was doing.

Anyway, may all your medical experiences be pleasant ones and may all your

blood pressures be normal.

JB66111@... wrote:

I agree, Kelli. We always hear so much negative stuff about HMO's

for instance, but we have had such good care and no problems. This is Humana,

by the way. Everyone is nice, friendly and polite. We never have long

waits. Never any problem being treated. There was one doctor that I took

to that I wouldn't have let touch him with a 50 foot pole but that is the

only one we've ever had. had a ventral hernia and this guy said " These

people don't heal well enough to have surgery like that " . How stupid. We

saw another doctor that we both liked and it was a whole different attitude. He

did have the surgery, with no complications. Everyone was great. I know

that it is possible to get treatment like mentions but it has certainly

seldom been our experience. Jessie, mom of , DS, 42

**************************************

See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've been reading this thread about the blood pressure and as sub topic

:rudeness.

I can assure you, rudeness is everywhere you go, as well as kind and nice

people. Belgium, is no exception. I've notice that the Dutch and German

(sorry Gundula !) stores and supermarkets chains in Belgium have the minimun

personnel possible, and as a result they are stressed, loaded with work, and are

not kind. I can understand, but I think a smile makes a big difference.

Sometimes I feel like writing to their customer service department, but then I

say, it will be useless. On the other hand, I have met very nice people, too!

I try not to personalize their attitude, and smile at them instead; you

should see their faces!

Like Jan says: keep smiling

Bonnie

Shipp <daddyfrog1960@...> escribió:

Hi Jessie and everyone,

As you know, we live in a small town where we are lucky to have any medical care

at all. That is why the kids, as a rule, go to specialists in Kansas City and

elsewhere (today we are traveling to another town to have evaluated for a

speech board).

The rudeness is not directly aimed at the kids, it is just general rudeness. I

have seen people in front of me treated rude and people behind me treated rude,

especially by the front office. The nurses, for the most part, act as if you are

bothering them. I think it is just general Ozark hillbilly/prairiebilly

mannerisms. When people sigh when you ask them something, I take that as rude.

We hardly ever get this treatment at Childrens Hospital or KU. One woman up here

at the clinic was so rude to and I in 1999, asked us to step back farther

so the people ahead of us could have privacy (this was before HIPPA). When I got

up there I told her, " You are the most rude insensitive individual I have ever

encountered in a public situation and you have no business being in a position

at a front desk that deals with the public 8 hours a day. " Next time we went

there, she was gone. (She had also worked at our bank and been rude there; her

brother at the time was the

town postmaster, and he was so bad to the employees up there I heard one of the

clerks say the other day, please do not mention that man's name when someone

asked him how Mr. --------was doing.

Anyway, may all your medical experiences be pleasant ones and may all your blood

pressures be normal.

JB66111@... wrote:

I agree, Kelli. We always hear so much negative stuff about HMO's

for instance, but we have had such good care and no problems. This is Humana,

by the way. Everyone is nice, friendly and polite. We never have long

waits. Never any problem being treated. There was one doctor that I took

to that I wouldn't have let touch him with a 50 foot pole but that is the

only one we've ever had. had a ventral hernia and this guy said " These

people don't heal well enough to have surgery like that " . How stupid. We

saw another doctor that we both liked and it was a whole different attitude. He

did have the surgery, with no complications. Everyone was great. I know

that it is possible to get treatment like mentions but it has certainly

seldom been our experience. Jessie, mom of , DS, 42

**************************************

See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

My late husband, in his later years had a minor heart problem that

made it hard to check his pulse and BP. There was a cute little nurse in his

doctor's office and when she checked it, it would be way, way up . The doctor

always did much better and everyone teased my husband about that cute nurse.

Jessie

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[Guest guest]

Thought this was interesting. The National High Blood Pressure Education Program

Working Group on Children recommend that blood pressure

screening<http://www.drgreene.com/21_794.html> begin at age 3 for all healthy

children, and even earlier for those at high risk (such as those who were born

early<http://www.drgreene.com/54_4.html>, small, or who are taking medicines

that might raise the blood pressure). Childhood is the key time to influence

future heart health<http://www.drgreene.com/21_981.html>. As

obesity<http://www.drgreene.com/54_13.html> and physical

inactivity<http://www.drgreene.com/21_922.html> become more common in children,

so do hypertension and pre-hypertension. There are also important connections

between high blood pressure and snoring<http://www.drgreene.com/21_943.html>,

type 2 diabetes<http://www.drgreene.com/21_648.html>, and high cholesterol. If a

child has one, consider whether the others may be present or on the way.

Hypertension and pre-hypertension are silent stalkers. Unless the blood pressure

is checked, you won't be alerted to their presence. The earlier these silent

conditions are identified and addressed, the healthier your child (and future

adult<http://www.drgreene.com/21_1810.html>) will be. So, what's a normal blood

pressure in children? At age three<http://www.drgreene.com/54_7.html>, you don't

want your child's blood pressure to be above 107/69. At the kindergarten

physical, you don't want the blood pressure to be above 109/69. At age 10, it's

time to make a change if your child's blood pressure is above 117/75.

[Guest guest]

Good afternoon all,

I hope your weekend is going well, despite the miserable weather!

Can I pick your brains please with another question? I ask more than

I give I do realise, based on the notion that people who join this

forum need accurate advice and I'm still wearing big L plates.

As I've been on Armour a few weeks now, and nae almost three months,

I thought I'd take my blood pressure today, to see if its usually low

result is beginning to come up. I decided to do the sitting and

standing measure. First result was 99/67 and on standing 92/73. It

isn't noticeably different from earlier in the year. (as yet)

The question I would like to ask is firstly are both those readings

below average, and is there anything I can do if so. Secondly, does

the change from sitting to standing still indicate low adrenal

function?

The good news is that I'm feeling better since beginning Armour along

with nae. The chronic head pressure/ache has vitually gone. I hadn't

realised how much it was getting me down until I didn't have it so

much. Still getting tired and weak too early in the day, but hours

later that I used to. Feeling more lively first thing too, unlike

trying to wake the dead for two hours. I'm due to increase Armour

again this week. So a positive tale!

Thanks hugely to you all for advice to date. It's made a huge

difference to me.

Look forward to reading your replies as always.

Enjoy the day,

Love,

x

[Guest guest]

I do believe the sitting and standing blood pressure test shows something about the state of the adrenals, Dr P performed that on me and I think mine stayed the same, but I cant tell you what that means, I did know but have forgot! Your blood pressure does seem low, is it always like that? Really glad you are feeling better , nice to hear and gives hope to others, like me!!!--- On Sun, 7/9/08, <marylinda@...>

Good afternoon all,I hope your weekend is going well, despite the miserable weather!Can I pick your brains please with another question? I ask more than I give I do realise, based on the notion that people who join this forum need accurate advice and I'm still wearing big L plates.As I've been on Armour a few weeks now, and nae almost three months, I thought I'd take my blood pressure today, to see if its usually low result is beginning to come up. I decided to do the sitting and standing measure. First result was 99/67 and on standing 92/73. It isn't noticeably different from earlier in the year. (as yet)Love,x

[Guest guest]

How lovely of you ,

When you're clearly not feeling great at all to be happy for me who

is beginning to feel better! As I've always been up front about, I

believe my health issues are uncomplicated low thyroid function, and

in the light of all the good advice I've had from tpa, less complex

to solve.

Please, please, please, don't lose hope , that in itself might

affect your rate of recovery, although I say that in the full

knowledge I have not walked a mile in your shoes, which I believe

must elicit the best form of comment and advice. Hang on to the

thought of that holiday in the US! I went there for the first time

this year, what a place! Fab!

My blood pressure does seem a bit low doesn't it. My husband calls

me 'the reptile'. Ha! Trouble is, when I go to the Dr's I suffer from

white coat syndrome, so it creeps into the normal range. I can't

b***** win! Those readings were taken at home, by the same monitor as

my Dr uses, (hubby has high bp so monitors it regularly) about an

hour after I'd been up and about today.

Take care ,

M

x

>

> I do believe the sitting and standing blood pressure test shows

something about the state of the adrenals, > --- On Sun, 7/9/08,

<marylinda@...>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Good afternoon all,

> I hope your weekend is going well, despite the miserable weather!

> Can I pick your brains please with another question? I ask more

than

> I give I do realise, based on the notion that people who join this

> forum need accurate advice and I'm still wearing big L plates.

> As I've been on Armour a few weeks now, and nae almost three

months,

> I thought I'd take my blood pressure today, to see if its usually

low

> result is beginning to come up. I decided to do the sitting and

> standing measure. First result was 99/67 and on standing 92/73. It

> isn't noticeably different from earlier in the year. (as yet)

>

> Love,

>

> x

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

With such a low blood pressure, I would expect it to drop from sitting down to standing up. I used to have low BP and every time I stood up, I used to have to do it really slowly, otherwise, I would have toppled over with the rush of blood to my head. Your BP is definitely very low. Who are you under and could you talk to your doctor about this.

Delighted that the Armour is having a good effect, though yes, I am sure you will feel better still if you could raise your BP a bit more.

Luv - Sheila

Good afternoon all,I hope your weekend is going well, despite the miserable weather!Can I pick your brains please with another question? I ask more than I give I do realise, based on the notion that people who join this forum need accurate advice and I'm still wearing big L plates.As I've been on Armour a few weeks now, and nae almost three months, I thought I'd take my blood pressure today, to see if its usually low result is beginning to come up. I decided to do the sitting and standing measure. First result was 99/67 and on standing 92/73. It isn't noticeably different from earlier in the year. (as yet)The question I would like to ask is firstly are both those readings below average, and is there anything I can do if so. Secondly, does the change from sitting to standing still indicate low adrenal function?The good news is that I'm feeling better since beginning Armour along with nae. The chronic head pressure/ache has vitually gone. I hadn't realised how much it was getting me down until I didn't have it so much. Still getting tired and weak too early in the day, but hours later that I used to. Feeling more lively first thing too, unlike trying to wake the dead for two hours. I'm due to increase Armour again this week. So a positive tale!Thanks hugely to you all for advice to date. It's made a huge difference to me.Look forward to reading your replies as always.Enjoy the day,Love,x

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[Guest guest]

hi mary;

i am glad you are starting to feel better, i am as well ~ it is lovely to have some energy for a change, i believe your blood pressure is abit low, don't athletes have a lowish blood pressure ? maybe it is a good thing. i differ in that i have highish blood pressure, i understand the best time to take your reading is in the morning before you get out of bed. i have been taking mine like that for a little while now and the difference is interesting. increasing armour elicits a rise in bp that lasts about 4 days and then returns to my normal 155-175/75-100 . i believe that my blood pressure was like this before i started thyroid meds. my resting pulse gives me concern as it is always over 100. i am having it checked at the gp every 3 weeks for abit. he will probably put me on something, i havn't mentioned the armour yet ! and probably won't until

the bp is sorted. enjoy the rest of the day, we even had some tepid sun this afternoon ! (didn't last) regards jane

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Thanks Sheila,

My blood pressure was taken at home this morning, after I had been up

an hour or so. We have the same machine as the GP as hubby suffers

high bp, and between them they keep a close eye on it. That result is

consistent with taking it at home, in the morning, but by the time I

get to the Dr, later in the day, it rises to a normal range. I

believe I really suffer from white coat syndrom, which has an impact.

Similar to you, if I move quickly from a sitting or lying position I

am whoozy for a second or two. Even crouching down to get something

out of a cupboard, or quickly clean the cat litter tray and rising

can have that effect on me. In short, I am under nobody now for

anything. Do you think I should measure it regularly at home and

record to present to my Dr? I guess I should take it at different

times of day too (now answering my own question - it's good to talk.

Ha!)

My main question to the forum is, does this seem part of the thyroid

adrenal issue? I was wondering whether to start cutting down from 4

nae per day or not? Or should I do something else to raise blood

pressure? It might improve as I increase Armour or ......?

Armour is definitely contributing to my improving health. Hubby, who

was sceptical, it's fair to say, is completely amazed at the

difference. Thank you, thank you, thank you, I'm very grateful for

all the advice.

M

xx

>

> With such a low blood pressure, I would expect it to drop from

sitting down to standing up. I used to have low BP and every time I

stood up, I used to have to do it really slowly, otherwise, I would

have toppled over with the rush of blood to my head. Your BP is

definitely very low. Who are you under and could you talk to your

doctor about this.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane,

Aaah sun, isn't that the strange yellow light in the sky? It's been

so long here in outer west London, I can hardly remember. Thank

goodness it's shining somewhere.

How interesting, our cases have seemed quite similar, and yet blood

pressure so different, my resting pulse being in the 60's. (too low)

Hubby calls me 'the reptile', bless him!

I'm happy you're feeling better as well. Absolutely, energy I've

realised is never to be taken for granted again in my case. Still on

the up, not where I was a year or two back, but so much better thank

goodness.

Aforementioned hubby has blood pressure issues too, it can be a real

worry. He's on a mild med that is effective and without symptoms,

apart from possibly a bit of dry skin. Resting pulse rate quite high

too, I'm glad you're monitoring things Jane. He does too.

So you may have to confess about the Armour to the GP then, I've been

wondering how to go about that if the case arises too. Not an easy

one is it? Does he need to know I'm thinking, only because it may

cloud other issues if GP isn't knowledgeable enough? Food for thought.

Take care Jane,

x

>

> hi mary;

> i am glad you are starting to feel better, i am as well  ~ it is

lovely to have some energy for a change,   i believe your blood

pressure is abit low,

>

[Guest guest]

hi mary, i am afraid i have inherited my bp issues, as far as i am aware hypos tend to have a low bp, trust me to be odd ! i also wonder if my blood pressure would be much higher if i wasn't hypo. i toy with how to tell my doctor about the armour. i am going to see dr. p. at the end of the month in crawley which is not a million miles from me. i might just take a copy of his letter along to the gp. have a lovely week. i am back at college starting tuesday, last winter i had to leave at lunchtime, here's hoping i can last all day this term.

kind regards jane

[Guest guest]

Hi this might be worth a try

Vitamin B12: Important for the normal

functioning of the brain and nervous system

• Helps with the formation of blood

• Maintains healthy nerve cells and red blood cells

• Involved in the metabolism of every cell of the body

• Improves low blood pressure

Regards

M

[Guest guest]

Hi and Jane

I think that once you have got the issue regarding self treating using natural thyroid extract out, the better you will feel.

Explain to your doctor that you have tried the 'gold standard' therapy (L-thyroxine) and appreciate that is supposed to work for everybody, but in your particular case, although you tried really hard to try to make it work, the consequences being that you continued to have many of the symptoms of hypothyroidism, you found it simply did not. Mention that you were forced into doing some serious research into the reasons why there is a large minority of sufferers who do not do well on L-thyroxine alone, and that that natural porcine thyroid extract (containing all the thyroid hormones T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin) was the one and only thyroid give it a try. Make sure you tell him/her that you have really studied this subject, and what symptoms and signs have gone since you started taking this natural extract. Tell him also that it has been used safely and effectively for over 100 years.

If he starts to tell you there are problems (as per the BTA statement on Armour, then give him a copy of the response I wrote to show the BTA have incorrect and misleading information.

Tell your GP you are excited with the results since taking Armour and that you would like him/her to monitor you. Tell him/her also that because you are now taking ALL the thyroid hormones your body requires, that naturally, your TSH will show as being very suppressed and that your FT3 will be in the upper third of the reference range, probably right at the top, so s/he should not expect blood results to be the same as those on synthetic L-thyroxine only. I would mention also, that you know there is a large minority of people unable to convert the inactive T4 into the active T3.(You can find these many reasons in my responses to the BTA on synthetic T4/T3 combination therapy and Armour Thyroid therapy statements - these are in our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and in the Files section of this forum.

You can also take a copy of the letter from the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Agency (MHRA) saying that doctors can prescribe Armour for their patients who do not do well on L-thyroxine alone, but this has to be done on their own responsibility as Armour is not licensed in the UK. However, the answer as to why it is not licensed in the UK is in my response to the BTA's statement on Armour.

If it is of any help, my own GP and endocrinologist would have nothing whatever to do with Armour, both had incorrect information about it. Once I took everything I could to my endocrinologists and made him promise that he would read it all, he did then agree to recommend Armour for me, and my GP is happy to prescribe it within the NHS. So it is worth taking time out to arm yourself with all the facts - but also, it is VERY important that your doctor actually does read it, and not throw it on one side.

Good luck, and if you need questions answering, if we can help you, just shout.

Luv - Sheila

So you may have to confess about the Armour to the GP then, I've been wondering how to go about that if the case arises too. Not an easy one is it? Does he need to know I'm thinking, only because it may cloud other issues if GP isn't knowledgeable enough? Food for thought.Take care Jane,x

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