Re: Wondering about Antidepressant Drugs ?

[Guest guest]

What are you wondering Bob? You worry me when you post about AD's!

I am on day 9 of taking 20mg of citalopram, I took 10mg for a week. Have been getting the mother of all headaches, feel shaky a little and some anxiety, I think all of this is normal in the first few weeks, will I ever get relief? It has affected my sleep a lot and I toss and turn and feel restless but again another side effect to over come I hope. I know the first few weeks can be tough. I was wondering if I was in shock over loosing my dog, that sounds silly though. I am due back at work next week and I really want some sense of normality back

Neuroendocrinologic al mechanisms of actions of antidepressant drugs.

Schüle C.Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I can empathise with loosing your dog....it's grief alright,

and that does affect your adrenals....

from recent work on the SSRIs and other anti-depressants....it's

looking like they actually affect the HPA axis themselves and they

cause a variety of feedback mechanisms over the short and the longer

term.

Not sleeping may be the excess 'cortisol' from an 'activated' HPA

axis.

Can't advise what to do, since the subject looks to be too new for

the docs to have seen it, and the endos won't respond for another

five years....if then.

best wishes

Bob

> What are you wondering Bob? You worry me when you post about AD's!

> I am on day 9 of taking 20mg of citalopram, I took 10mg for a week.

Have been getting the mother of all headaches, feel shaky a little

[Guest guest]

Hey

I don't think it is silly saying you would be in shock after losing

your dog, you will have had a great amount of stress, losing a pet is

terrible, believe me I know .

So are you on the anti d's because of the loss of your dog? Or are you

depressed through the hypothyroid? Blood sugar issues? Have you tried

St s wort? 5HTTP? GABA?

I am just wondering if you might be able to get through this more

naturally without the horrendous side effects.

lotsa luv and God bless

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob, it sure is a grief.

I am hoping the sleeping will get better when I have got used to the citalopram, I do sleep, just keep waking and feeling edgy and restless, but I know this is a side effect, ive been here before and its got better

Hi ,I can empathise with loosing your dog....it's grief alright,and that does affect your adrenals....from recent work on the SSRIs and other anti-depressants. ...it's looking like they actually affect the HPA axis themselves and they cause a variety of feedback mechanisms over the short and the longer term.best wishesBob> What are you wondering Bob? You worry me when you post about AD's!> I am on day 9 of taking 20mg of citalopram, I took 10mg for a week. Have been getting the mother of all headaches, feel shaky a little

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

Thanks for your kind words about the death of our dog, its been awful and I guess will take time to get over, I had him since a 5 week pup and he was 9 when he died.

No, I started the AD's, citalopram just over 2 weeks ago, if you remember I was suffering anxiety etc and yes I do believe its the low thyroid to blame, was given diazapan before my holiday and the AD's but I didnt take the AD's until I got home. I did use the diazapan but was concerned about the addiction side of them so have not carried on with them, havent touched them for 2 weeks so I didnt get addicted!

I just felt I needed something to get me through this awful time, I know they take a good few weeks to work and yes the side effects can be bad for some people. They increase anxiety to start with which is damned annoying!

Do you still take seroxat? I dont care what anyone says about that drug it helped me so much for so long, I was normal for yrs!

Hey I don't think it is silly saying you would be in shock after losingyour dog, you will have had a great amount of stress, losing a pet isterrible, believe me I know .So are you on the anti d's because of the loss of your dog? Or are youdepressed through the hypothyroid? Blood sugar issues? Have you triedSt s wort? 5HTTP? GABA? I am just wondering if you might be able to get through this morenaturally without the horrendous side effects.lotsa luv and God blessDawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Of course you will be in shock at losing your dog. When I lost my yorkshire terriers (20 something years ago) it was over a year before I could look at a photo of them without feeling so ill & upset, and probably another 10 years before I could look at one fondly. After losing my last poodle I would want to burst into tears in I saw another similar one even a month later, and after "replacing" her with my current one who is now very old, I still felt the tremendous loss & would hold the new puppy & cry, wishing it was the old one back again, while feeling guilty that I was not feeling this same love for the new puppy. This loss is totally normal, so be very kind to yourself & if you are not ready to go back to work next week, don't go - I am sure you can find a valid reason to get a medical certificate (if the doctor does not understand this, he will know you are vulnerable with health issues, so this sort of thing will take longer to get over) - a week due to mental exhaustion sort of thing.

A friend lost her son due at cancer of the elbow at 17 or 18 years of age and I was surprised that she compared the loss of this with when later she lost a young dog to heart problems, saying that people understood & showed sympathy to losing her son but not her dog, but really she was correct.

Be kind to yourself, you are going through a lot right now.

Val

[Guest guest]

Thank you for that. I think people who dont have pets and have no interest in animals cant really relate to the way you feel when one dies. It is like loosing a member of the family and I had mine from a 5 week pup and he was 9. He was always there, under the table, under your feet, at the bottom of the stairs, stood by me in the kitchen when I was cooking, now hes not. I was making ham sandwiches yesterday and turned round to give him a piece of ham and of course he wasnt there, little things like that will take some getting used to.

Take care

Hi ,

Of course you will be in shock at losing your dog. When I lost my yorkshire terriers (20 something years ago) it was over a year before I could look at a photo of them without feeling so ill & upset, and probably another 10 years before I could look at one fondly.

Val

[Guest guest]

Hi hon

Yes I am still on the Seroxat, I dare not try to get off until I get

this Armour thing right on, and the hc.

I get terrible brain zaps if I miss my Seroxat so I know it will be a

long long road getting off them, tapering really slowly.

I managed to get off diazepam before, different kinds of withdrawal

not so terrifying as the brain zap thing lol. I am on a little diaz

now too. Guess whilst I was very ill with my underactive thyroid and

didn't realise what it was I got on all sorts. Ah well, we do what we

can with what we have don't we?

Time heal hon, I still get the sadness when I am feeling particularly

vulnerable some days and I think of my old dogs. But to be honest

mostly now I rejoice in the memories and laughs and stuff I had with

them. Especially the one who slowly ate my car over a period of a

year. it was terrible at the time but funny to look back on. (I know I

have strange humour). The two that used to grab either end of a stick

and run together down to the field like a pair of horses, lots of

happy memories. Your grief will eventually turn to that, hold on hon

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

I am now taking citalopram very similar I think to seroxat, only been on my present dose of 20mg for 12 days, I did a week on 10mg and then increased. Am suffering with headaches everyday right now but think its a side effect of them and hoping it will pass when it gets in my system properly. I didnt want to go back down this route but the anxiety was really getting to me, if it helps then I will carry on with it until I feel ready to come off.

Seroxat was nothing but good to me, it has been the best one I have taken and ive took 4 different ones!

Its getting easier without the dog but we miss him dearly, we have some photos blown up of him and hung them round the house and his collar hangs on our stairs. Hes at peace now running around with all the other dogs in gods garden, maybe hes met yours!

Hi honYes I am still on the Seroxat, I dare not try to get off until I getthis Armour thing right on, and the hc. I get terrible brain zaps if I miss my Seroxat so I know it will be along long road getting off them, tapering really slowly. I managed to get off diazepam before, different kinds of withdrawalnot so terrifying as the brain zap thing lol. I am on a little diaznow too. Guess whilst I was very ill with my underactive thyroid anddidn't realise what it was I got on all sorts. Ah well, we do what wecan with what we have don't we?Time heal hon, I still get the sadness when I am feeling particularlyvulnerable some days and I think of my old dogs. lotsa luvDawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/media-issues/fred-goodwin-infinite-mind

....still wondering why they would need to bribe someone on the National Public Radio?

best wishesBob

> Hi hon> Yes I am still on the Seroxat, I dare not try to get off until I get> this Armour thing right on, and the hc. > I get terrible brain zaps if I miss my Seroxat so I know it will be a> long long road getting off them, tapering really slowly.

[Guest guest]

How do people like Senator

E. Grassley go about investigating such doctors and exposing them. Why aren't

such investigations being carried out here when we KNOW this is going on. I

would like Senator E. Grassley to come over to the UK and investigate

the senior executives of a certain organisation whose offices are not too far

away from me.

Luv - Sheila

http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/media-issues/fred-goodwin-infinite-mind

....still

wondering why they would need to bribe someone on the National Public Radio?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

COMPOSITIONS AND METHODS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS WHICH MODULATE BODY WEIGHT

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO & NR=2007050697 & KC= & FT=E

Putting two and two together makes five....

on some days?

Bob

>> Hi hon> > Yes I am still on the Seroxat, I dare not try to get off until I get> this Armour thing right on, and the hc.

[Guest guest]

LOL BOB

They put me on Prozac for a while years ago at the obesity clinic in

Leeds, waste of time. I had a thyroid problem :(/

Another sales pitch the weightloss thing methinks.

luv Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

Prozac is given to Bulimics, when I took it I lost 3 stone, it made me feel worse and I completly lost my appitite, after a while though those effects wore off and I put the weight back on

LOL BOBThey put me on Prozac for a while years ago at the obesity clinic inLeeds, waste of time. I had a thyroid problem :(/Another sales pitch the weightloss thing methinks.luv Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

This is vague, but I just caught the end of a radio4 programme on the life of a

lady peer who was dedicated to the rights of the elderly- she sounded a real

fighter! I just a caught a brief mention that she was depressed through thyroid

disease at one time- though how useful she would be to us as she got better on

T4 alone.

Stenning

I would like Senator

E. Grassley to come over to the UK and investigate the senior

executives of a certain organisation whose offices are not too far away from

me.

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[Guest guest]

Can

you remember the Programme you were listening to , perhaps we can make

enquiries as to who she is.

Luv -

Sheila

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Hi Sheila,

This is vague, but I just caught the end of a radio4 programme on the life of a

lady peer who was dedicated to the rights of the elderly- she sounded a real fighter!

I just a caught a brief mention that she was depressed through thyroid disease

at one time- though how useful she would be to us as she got better on T4

alone.

Stenning

I

would like Senator E. Grassley to come over to the UK and investigate

the senior executives of a certain organisation whose offices are not too far

away from me.

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

, you can often find out what the programme you were listening to by searching the BBC's website, and often hear the programme again. TV/Radio listings are also likely to have the programme listed.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Gone blank- but I’ll go onto BBC website and see if I can come up with

something

Stenning

about Antidepressant Drugs ?

Can you remember the Programme you were listening to ,

perhaps we can make enquiries as to who she is.

Luv - Sheila

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Hi Sheila,

This is vague, but I just caught the end of a radio4 programme on the life of a

lady peer who was dedicated to the rights of the elderly- she sounded a real

fighter! I just a caught a brief mention that she was depressed through thyroid

disease at one time- though how useful she would be to us as she got better on

T4 alone.

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

Hey BOB

In light of the research here about the HPA axis and SSRis, Ihave a

worry that if I get my treatment right while on the drugs and then

wean off, will I need to re titate my Armour and Cortisone treatment

again? If the SSRis are scouring my adrenals out for cortisol, are

they still doing it on HC, am I getting enhanced effects of Seratonin.

Is the reason they warn about breathlessness on the PIL of seroxat

because they anticipate adrenal problems? So many questions, so few

answers. AGhhhh, makes my head spin.

Just another little problem, nothing to worry about lol.

lotsa luv

Dawnx