Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Does anybody know who the manufacturers are of desiccated thyroid and how they could be contacted? I don't mean the manufacturers of Armour - just the desiccated thyroid glands. Luv - Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 .....Does anybody know who the manufacturers are of desiccated thyroid ... Hi Sheila I've had a really good search but can't find anything (there's nothing on the TV!) Wouldn't the Armour manufacturers themselves be able to point you in the right direction? Pen x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 > > ....Does anybody know who the manufacturers are of desiccated > thyroid ... > > Hi Sheila I replied to this yesterday but it did not seem to gt thru. Will do the same again so hope the original does not arrive as well (outlook exp was playing up) manuf of desiccated thyroid: http://www.nutri-meds.com/Thyroid_s/33.htm Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Sorry Val - I should have made myself much clearer. I meant where do these companies who make Armour thyroid and all the generics actually get their raw material from. Chuck mentioned them all getting it from the same meat company but not who the meat company was. I too heard desiccated thyroid is sourced from the same manufacturer. It is very difficult to find this out, and even Afshin (who I asked) just told me everybody gets it from the same source. Who is the source? Luv - Sheila I replied to this yesterday but it did not seem to gt thru. Will do the same again so hope the original does not arrive as well (outlook exp was playing up) manuf of desiccated thyroid: http://www.nutri-meds.com/Thyroid_s/33.htm Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Not sure if this is any good Shiela, bulk Thyroid Powder? http://www.spectrumchemical.com/retail/product.asp?catalog_name=Chemicals & produc\ t_id=6611319 If not maybe they would tell you where their source is, unless it is a secret ..hmmmm luv Dawnx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Many thanks Dawn. I will pass this on to Anne to look into. luv - Sheila Not sure if this is any good Shiela, bulk Thyroid Powder? http://www.spectrumchemical.com/retail/product.asp?catalog_name=Chemicals & product_id=6611319 If not maybe they would tell you where their source is, unless it is a secret ..hmmmm luv Dawnx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Nutri Meds porcine thyroid has all the hormones. They take the thyroid gland flash freeze it and grind it into powder they don't add anything or take anything out, at at least that's what the company's owner says.The OTC glandulars just aren't concentrated and standardized like the prescription NDT. And some of them take out the T4 some way or other. But for an OTC product, the Nutri Meds thyroid product does a pretty good job. Although for some people supplementing with Iodine seems to take up the slack very well. Bethann " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " ~ Hawking all.sunshine wrote: > I took Thyrolar (T3 and T4 only) for many years. It seemed to work > better than Armour thyroid. When Thyrolar was taken off the market, I > switched to Armour and gained about 25 pounds. > > *Does anyone know why this might happen?* > > I have heard that over the counter desiccated thyroid has no T3 and T4. > It seems that it might make sense to supplement Thyrolar with such a > product in order to add T1, T2, and possibly unknown advantageous > factors that are not contained in Thyrolar, without changing the T3 and T4. > * > Does anyone have any relevant ideas, understanding, or experience > concerning this approach? > > Does anyone have a brand recommendation for desiccated thyroid without > T3 and T4? * > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Yeah Bonnie, just go to the Nutri Meds website, put it in your cart and pay. They're fairly fast shippers, and I didn't have any problems with my order at all. The lady that owns the company has thyroid/adrenal problems and that's why she started the company because of people not being able to get the right Dx from their Doc and get prescription meds. A lot of people swear by Nutri Meds products. Dr Lowe recommends a thyroid supplement sold by RLC labs, I believe, the same guys that make naturethroid/westhroid, that isn't the prescription type, there's also Iodine supplement (which I haven't investigated yet) and adrenal support stuff. I used Nutri Meds brand and Source Naturals Raw Thyroid before I got my prescription for NDT. Just remember I don't care what anyone says, they just aren't as strong as the prescription thyroid meds. Well they weren't to me anyway. Just remember to start out with a small dose and adjust up slowly so you have time to know how well it's working rather than starting out with the max dose and getting weird sensations that will scare you:) I know we're all desperate to feel better, and we'll do just about anything to get there, but taking too much is as bad as taking too little:) Source Naturals has other stuff in it, like a bit of adrenal support and Iodine, and it is a bit cheaper. A couple of sellers on Amazon have it for a reasonable price. Both of these products worked for me, even if they weren't as strong as Armour, Naturethroid/westhroid, or Erfa. Bethann " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " ~ Hawking Bonnie wrote: > Are you able to buy this without a scrip? > > Bonnie > > Re: Desiccated thyroid > > >> Nutri Meds porcine thyroid has all the hormones. >> They take the thyroid gland flash freeze it and >> grind it into powder they don't add anything or >> take anything out, at at least that's what the >> company's owner says.The OTC glandulars just >> aren't concentrated and standardized like the >> prescription NDT. And some of them take out the >> T4 some way or other. But for an OTC product, the >> Nutri Meds thyroid product does a pretty good job. >> Although for some people supplementing with Iodine >> seems to take up the slack very well. >> >> >> Bethann >> >> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not >> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " >> ~ Hawking >> >> all.sunshine wrote: >>> I took Thyrolar (T3 and T4 only) for many years. It seemed to work >>> better than Armour thyroid. When Thyrolar was taken off the market, I >>> switched to Armour and gained about 25 pounds. >>> >>> *Does anyone know why this might happen?* >>> >>> I have heard that over the counter desiccated thyroid has no T3 and T4. >>> It seems that it might make sense to supplement Thyrolar with such a >>> product in order to add T1, T2, and possibly unknown advantageous >>> factors that are not contained in Thyrolar, without changing the T3 and >>> T4. >>> * >>> Does anyone have any relevant ideas, understanding, or experience >>> concerning this approach? >>> >>> Does anyone have a brand recommendation for desiccated thyroid without >>> T3 and T4? * >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group >> IodineOT/ >> >> >> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 What is the URL web address of Nutri Meds that sells the OTS porcine thyroid, please?Thanks. ------------ Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 2652561, mail: ratanpsych@...- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrion Soc. India.- Member ISOM; Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA); - www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth, www.ejcbs.com--- On Thu, 3/18/10, YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@...> wrote: From: YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@...>Subject: Re: Desiccated thyroidiodine Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 3:56 AM Nutri Meds porcine thyroid has all the hormones. They take the thyroid gland flash freeze it and grind it into powder they don't add anything or take anything out, at at least that's what the company's owner says.The OTC glandulars just aren't concentrated and standardized like the prescription NDT. And some of them take out the T4 some way or other. But for an OTC product, the Nutri Meds thyroid product does a pretty good job. Although for some people supplementing with Iodine seems to take up the slack very well.Bethann"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge" ~ Hawkingall.sunshine wrote:> I took Thyrolar (T3 and T4 only) for many years. It seemed to work > better than Armour thyroid. When Thyrolar was taken off the market, I > switched to Armour and gained about 25 pounds.> > *Does anyone know why this might happen?*> > I have heard that over the counter desiccated thyroid has no T3 and T4. > It seems that it might make sense to supplement Thyrolar with such a > product in order to add T1, T2, and possibly unknown advantageous > factors that are not contained in Thyrolar, without changing the T3 and T4.> *> Does anyone have any relevant ideas, understanding, or experience > concerning this approach?> > Does anyone have a brand recommendation for desiccated thyroid without > T3 and T4? *> > ------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I just googled Nutri Meds http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Porcine_Thyroid_Capsules_p/nm-g-ptc.htm Please try this before asking. Steph Re: Desiccated thyroidiodine Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 3:56 AM Nutri Meds porcine thyroid has all the hormones. They take the thyroid gland flash freeze it and grind it into powder they don't add anything or take anything out, at at least that's what the company's owner says.The OTC glandulars just aren't concentrated and standardized like the prescription NDT. And some of them take out the T4 some way or other. But for an OTC product, the Nutri Meds thyroid product does a pretty good job. Although for some people supplementing with Iodine seems to take up the slack very well.Bethann"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge" ~ Hawkingall.sunshine wrote:> I took Thyrolar (T3 and T4 only) for many years. It seemed to work > better than Armour thyroid. When Thyrolar was taken off the market, I > switched to Armour and gained about 25 pounds.> > *Does anyone know why this might happen?*> > I have heard that over the counter desiccated thyroid has no T3 and T4. > It seems that it might make sense to supplement Thyrolar with such a > product in order to add T1, T2, and possibly unknown advantageous > factors that are not contained in Thyrolar, without changing the T3 and T4.> *> Does anyone have any relevant ideas, understanding, or experience > concerning this approach?> > Does anyone have a brand recommendation for desiccated thyroid without > T3 and T4? *> > ------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Bethann, When you took the nutrimeds brand, which is 130 mg per capsule, how many did you take each day? Jana YardBirdMail wrote: >Yeah Bonnie, just go to the Nutri Meds website, >put it in your cart and pay. They're fairly fast >shippers, and I didn't have any problems with my >order at all. The lady that owns the company has >thyroid/adrenal problems and that's why she >started the company because of people not being >able to get the right Dx from their Doc and get >prescription meds. A lot of people swear by Nutri >Meds products. > >Dr Lowe recommends a thyroid supplement sold by >RLC labs, I believe, the same guys that make >naturethroid/westhroid, that isn't the >prescription type, there's also Iodine supplement >(which I haven't investigated yet) and adrenal >support stuff. > > >I used Nutri Meds brand and Source Naturals Raw >Thyroid before I got my prescription for NDT. Just >remember I don't care what anyone says, they just >aren't as strong as the prescription thyroid meds. >Well they weren't to me anyway. Just remember to >start out with a small dose and adjust up slowly >so you have time to know how well it's working >rather than starting out with the max dose and >getting weird sensations that will scare you:) I >know we're all desperate to feel better, and we'll >do just about anything to get there, but taking >too much is as bad as taking too little:) > >Source Naturals has other stuff in it, like a bit >of adrenal support and Iodine, and it is a bit >cheaper. A couple of sellers on Amazon have it for >a reasonable price. Both of these products worked >for me, even if they weren't as strong as Armour, >Naturethroid/westhroid, or Erfa. > >Bethann > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not >ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " >~ Hawking > >Bonnie wrote: > > >>Are you able to buy this without a scrip? >> >>Bonnie >> >> Re: Desiccated thyroid >> >> >> >> >>>Nutri Meds porcine thyroid has all the hormones. >>>They take the thyroid gland flash freeze it and >>>grind it into powder they don't add anything or >>>take anything out, at at least that's what the >>>company's owner says.The OTC glandulars just >>>aren't concentrated and standardized like the >>>prescription NDT. And some of them take out the >>>T4 some way or other. But for an OTC product, the >>>Nutri Meds thyroid product does a pretty good job. >>>Although for some people supplementing with Iodine >>>seems to take up the slack very well. >>> >>> >>>Bethann >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all different, and we all respond to things differently, so I'd recommend a little experimenting to see what works for you specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex plus, one in the morning and one at noon to support the adrenals. Another note, most people seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. All this was before I got an official Dx and a prescription for Armour, and found out about Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt of time reading and researching all this stuff. I still do:) Bethann " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " ~ Hawking Jana wrote: > Bethann, > When you took the nutrimeds brand, which is 130 mg per capsule, how many > did you take each day? > Jana > > YardBirdMail wrote: > >> Yeah Bonnie, just go to the Nutri Meds website, >> put it in your cart and pay. They're fairly fast >> shippers, and I didn't have any problems with my >> order at all. The lady that owns the company has >> thyroid/adrenal problems and that's why she >> started the company because of people not being >> able to get the right Dx from their Doc and get >> prescription meds. A lot of people swear by Nutri >> Meds products. >> >> Dr Lowe recommends a thyroid supplement sold by >> RLC labs, I believe, the same guys that make >> naturethroid/westhroid, that isn't the >> prescription type, there's also Iodine supplement >> (which I haven't investigated yet) and adrenal >> support stuff. >> >> >> I used Nutri Meds brand and Source Naturals Raw >> Thyroid before I got my prescription for NDT. Just >> remember I don't care what anyone says, they just >> aren't as strong as the prescription thyroid meds. >> Well they weren't to me anyway. Just remember to >> start out with a small dose and adjust up slowly >> so you have time to know how well it's working >> rather than starting out with the max dose and >> getting weird sensations that will scare you:) I >> know we're all desperate to feel better, and we'll >> do just about anything to get there, but taking >> too much is as bad as taking too little:) >> >> Source Naturals has other stuff in it, like a bit >> of adrenal support and Iodine, and it is a bit >> cheaper. A couple of sellers on Amazon have it for >> a reasonable price. Both of these products worked >> for me, even if they weren't as strong as Armour, >> Naturethroid/westhroid, or Erfa. >> >> Bethann >> >> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not >> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " >> ~ Hawking >> >> Bonnie wrote: >> >> >>> Are you able to buy this without a scrip? >>> >>> Bonnie >>> >>> Re: Desiccated thyroid >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Nutri Meds porcine thyroid has all the hormones. >>>> They take the thyroid gland flash freeze it and >>>> grind it into powder they don't add anything or >>>> take anything out, at at least that's what the >>>> company's owner says.The OTC glandulars just >>>> aren't concentrated and standardized like the >>>> prescription NDT. And some of them take out the >>>> T4 some way or other. But for an OTC product, the >>>> Nutri Meds thyroid product does a pretty good job. >>>> Although for some people supplementing with Iodine >>>> seems to take up the slack very well. >>>> >>>> >>>> Bethann >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/ > > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Yep, sorry about that. It is Natural Sources. *Grimace* I have so many different supplements and have tried so many different ones that I get the manufacturer's names mixed up sometimes:) That's the one. I've heard good things about the one that Dr Low recommends although I haven't tried it as I didn't learn about it until recently. Bethann " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " ~ Hawking Jana wrote: > Thanks Bethann. I've consumed two bottles of nutri-meds this year and I > quickly worked up to 5 per day. I still felt like every step was knee > deep in molasses. One day I took 6, and I perked right along, but that > night was acid reflux deluxe. > > Also, you mentioned Source Naturals. Any chance you got the words > reversed? I noticed Raw Thyroid by Natural Sources at the vitamin > shoppe. Even though I've tried about 5 or 6 otc thyroid supplements > that didn't help, I find myself willing to try one more. I reckon I'm > more likely to find help from something otc than trying to find an > iodine literate doctor in these parts. > http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=NZ-7003 > Jana > > YardBirdMail wrote: > >> I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all >> different, and we all respond to things >> differently, so I'd recommend a little >> experimenting to see what works for you >> specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex >> plus, one in the morning and one at noon to >> support the adrenals. Another note, most people >> seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds >> in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. >> >> All this was before I got an official Dx and a >> prescription for Armour, and found out about >> Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I >> found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt >> of time reading and researching all this stuff. >> I still do:) >> >> Bethann >> >> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not >> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " >> ~ Hawking >> >> Jana wrote: >> >> >>> Bethann, >>> When you took the nutrimeds brand, which is 130 mg per capsule, how many >>> did you take each day? >>> Jana >>> >>> YardBirdMail wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Yeah Bonnie, just go to the Nutri Meds website, >>>> put it in your cart and pay. They're fairly fast >>>> shippers, and I didn't have any problems with my >>>> order at all. The lady that owns the company has >>>> thyroid/adrenal problems and that's why she >>>> started the company because of people not being >>>> able to get the right Dx from their Doc and get >>>> prescription meds. A lot of people swear by Nutri >>>> Meds products. >>>> >>>> Dr Lowe recommends a thyroid supplement sold by >>>> RLC labs, I believe, the same guys that make >>>> naturethroid/westhroid, that isn't the >>>> prescription type, there's also Iodine supplement >>>> (which I haven't investigated yet) and adrenal >>>> support stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> I used Nutri Meds brand and Source Naturals Raw >>>> Thyroid before I got my prescription for NDT. Just >>>> remember I don't care what anyone says, they just >>>> aren't as strong as the prescription thyroid meds. >>>> Well they weren't to me anyway. Just remember to >>>> start out with a small dose and adjust up slowly >>>> so you have time to know how well it's working >>>> rather than starting out with the max dose and >>>> getting weird sensations that will scare you:) I >>>> know we're all desperate to feel better, and we'll >>>> do just about anything to get there, but taking >>>> too much is as bad as taking too little:) >>>> >>>> Source Naturals has other stuff in it, like a bit >>>> of adrenal support and Iodine, and it is a bit >>>> cheaper. A couple of sellers on Amazon have it for >>>> a reasonable price. Both of these products worked >>>> for me, even if they weren't as strong as Armour, >>>> Naturethroid/westhroid, or Erfa. >>>> >>>> Bethann >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/ > > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks Bethann. I've consumed two bottles of nutri-meds this year and I quickly worked up to 5 per day. I still felt like every step was knee deep in molasses. One day I took 6, and I perked right along, but that night was acid reflux deluxe. Also, you mentioned Source Naturals. Any chance you got the words reversed? I noticed Raw Thyroid by Natural Sources at the vitamin shoppe. Even though I've tried about 5 or 6 otc thyroid supplements that didn't help, I find myself willing to try one more. I reckon I'm more likely to find help from something otc than trying to find an iodine literate doctor in these parts. http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=NZ-7003 Jana YardBirdMail wrote: >I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all >different, and we all respond to things >differently, so I'd recommend a little >experimenting to see what works for you >specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex >plus, one in the morning and one at noon to >support the adrenals. Another note, most people >seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds >in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. > >All this was before I got an official Dx and a >prescription for Armour, and found out about >Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I >found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt >of time reading and researching all this stuff. >I still do:) > >Bethann > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not >ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " >~ Hawking > >Jana wrote: > > >>Bethann, >>When you took the nutrimeds brand, which is 130 mg per capsule, how many >>did you take each day? >>Jana >> >>YardBirdMail wrote: >> >> >> >>>Yeah Bonnie, just go to the Nutri Meds website, >>>put it in your cart and pay. They're fairly fast >>>shippers, and I didn't have any problems with my >>>order at all. The lady that owns the company has >>>thyroid/adrenal problems and that's why she >>>started the company because of people not being >>>able to get the right Dx from their Doc and get >>>prescription meds. A lot of people swear by Nutri >>>Meds products. >>> >>>Dr Lowe recommends a thyroid supplement sold by >>>RLC labs, I believe, the same guys that make >>>naturethroid/westhroid, that isn't the >>>prescription type, there's also Iodine supplement >>>(which I haven't investigated yet) and adrenal >>>support stuff. >>> >>> >>>I used Nutri Meds brand and Source Naturals Raw >>>Thyroid before I got my prescription for NDT. Just >>>remember I don't care what anyone says, they just >>>aren't as strong as the prescription thyroid meds. >>>Well they weren't to me anyway. Just remember to >>>start out with a small dose and adjust up slowly >>>so you have time to know how well it's working >>>rather than starting out with the max dose and >>>getting weird sensations that will scare you:) I >>>know we're all desperate to feel better, and we'll >>>do just about anything to get there, but taking >>>too much is as bad as taking too little:) >>> >>>Source Naturals has other stuff in it, like a bit >>>of adrenal support and Iodine, and it is a bit >>>cheaper. A couple of sellers on Amazon have it for >>>a reasonable price. Both of these products worked >>>for me, even if they weren't as strong as Armour, >>>Naturethroid/westhroid, or Erfa. >>> >>>Bethann >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Bethann, when you say you heard most people do better taking their thyroid meds in the evening, do you mean the RX drugs? Or the Armour kind? I just recently started back on Levothyroxine, but at only 50 mcg, for now, which is a very low dose. But my recent TSH was 15.86, and I've been having some really majorly weird symptoms, that are definitely thyroid-related. I've been having trouble with cold feet--classic symptom. But since January, I get really tired in the afternoon, like majorly exhausted, sometimes. And I have been getting really panicky and weepy in the afternoons. And I feel better after I go ahead and cry, to get it out of my system. But I've also been having trouble eating all my food. I get full and bloated from eating just a little, sometimes. It doesn't happen, usually, with dinner, but sure does with lunch, in the afternoon. Then I'll have trouble figuring out when I'm hungry again. And I'm 51, now, so I've been trying to research menopause, to see if that's part of the problem. But my doctor ran an estrogen test, at my request, and says my estrogen level is " normal, " so I'm not in menopause, yet. Well, I think it's at least " perimenopause. " And all the worst of my weird symptoms seem to happen after my period. So I'm wondering if I should maybe take the Levo at night, instead of morning, like the pharmacist said? And what about the OTC thyroid you mentioned. I've seen a bottle of thyroid support stuff at Whole Foods, and I think it was Source Naturals. Do you think I could maybe take that stuff along with the Levo? I'm just eager to get past all this weirdness, and get back to feeling " normal, " again. I used to be on a much higher dose of Levo, last year, 15mg, but stopped it when I started having a lot of trouble with " heart flutters, " which I read is a symptom of too much thyroid hormone. But, yes, I did this, without consulting the doctor, first. I hadn't been to see him for months, but recently started going back to him, when I started having all these weird symptoms going on since January. And I'm wondering if a little iodine would help? I get a little in my sea salt, and my multivitamin, but I know it's not much. So what do you think? It seems you know an awful lot about all this. I'd rather take the dessicated thyroid than the Levo. But, for now, I'm hoping it will help. But I am concerned it's too LOW of a dose. That's fine to start back up with, but I would want to increase it as soon as I can. I do have a message in to my doc to ask about that. So, sorry this ran so long, but I had a lot to ask about. I look forward to your answers, or anyone else's, who has some recommendations. Cryss > > I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all > different, and we all respond to things > differently, so I'd recommend a little > experimenting to see what works for you > specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex > plus, one in the morning and one at noon to > support the adrenals. Another note, most people > seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds > in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. > > All this was before I got an official Dx and a > prescription for Armour, and found out about > Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I > found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt > of time reading and researching all this stuff. > I still do:) > > Bethann > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " > ~ Hawking > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks again Bethann. I think I'll give it a try. There's some adrenal gland in there also, and I'm getting suspicious of my adrenals being fatigued. Jana YardBirdMail wrote: >Yep, sorry about that. It is Natural Sources. >*Grimace* I have so many different supplements and >have tried so many different ones that I get the >manufacturer's names mixed up sometimes:) That's >the one. I've heard good things about the one that >Dr Low recommends although I haven't tried it as I >didn't learn about it until recently. > >Bethann > > >Jana wrote: > > >>Thanks Bethann. I've consumed two bottles of nutri-meds this year and I >>quickly worked up to 5 per day. I still felt like every step was knee >>deep in molasses. One day I took 6, and I perked right along, but that >>night was acid reflux deluxe. >> >>Also, you mentioned Source Naturals. Any chance you got the words >>reversed? I noticed Raw Thyroid by Natural Sources at the vitamin >>shoppe. Even though I've tried about 5 or 6 otc thyroid supplements >>that didn't help, I find myself willing to try one more. I reckon I'm >>more likely to find help from something otc than trying to find an >>iodine literate doctor in these parts. >>http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=NZ-7003 >>Jana >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 It's a complicated thing for pre, mid. and post menopause women because of all the hormone fluctuations. I recently started taking DIM(It blocks the bad estrogen metabolites) and using a progesterone cream and I feel much better. The fluctuation in hormones is due to the adrenal glands and the ovaries and their hormone production. The ovaries gradually stop producing estrogen and the adrenal glands take over, but they don't produce nearly as much as the ovaries do/did. This could stress your adrenal glands, and may be the reason for the weepy strange feelings you've been experiencing, as well as the bloat. However if you already have too much estrogen in the body, or even a normal amount, which many US women do, then perhaps a natural progesterone cream may help. And perhaps some adrenal support. Too low Progesterone levels can cause weight gain, water retention, and sway the adrenals to a more out of balance state. I however am not an expert. These are simple things you can get without a prescription and try to see if they will help. I bought my Progesterone cream on Amazon.com, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00142C2SG/ref=oss_product and it has helped a lot. I have not had a period in six months. I'm either at the end of menopause or close to it. I however did not have problems with hot flashes, night sweats, or the rest of the symptoms because I have an overload of estrogen, and I know it just from the lack of those symptoms. The progesterone cream helps to balance that out. Progesterone production drops like a rock for a lot of women in their late twenties and early thirties. So adding a little Progesterone may help. Panicky feelings, and cold feet, water retention can be caused by not enough progesterone or adrenal stress, or even the need for a higher dosage of thyroid hormones. But any of those can be because of a imbalance in the others. Like I said balancing hormones for women is a tricky thing. I'm not a great fan of synthetic thyroid hormones, but if they're working for you then it's all good. I started with Armour and switched to Erfa during the shortage. And I have done very well with the NDT. If your TSH is raised it may be that you need an adjustment in your dose, but you'll have to speak to your doctor for prescription changes. If you want to try an OTC glandular that perks up your levels a bit Nutri Meds may be a good choice for you, or another of your choice. If your estrogen is normal then Progesterone may be the ticket. But let me tell you that you may feel really good at first, then you may experience a worsening of symptoms,this fairly common, so the recommendation is that if that happens, reduce your dose but don't stop taking it entirely. After two weeks things improve rather markedly:) Generally for menopausal and post menopausal women that they use it 21 days with 7 days off but some people use it all month long. Some people find that DHEA helps, but DHEA feeds estrogen and testosterone. So pregnenolone may be the better choice, as the body can convert it to whichever hormone you need, even progesterone. The only thing I can say is try them out, not all at one time, but one at a time, and see which ones work the best. It's always good if you have the lab levels to look at though, so you have an idea where to start. You may benefit from adrenal support, but I only know what I have done, You may find more information over at the adrenal support group. I have never taken Isocort or Hydrocortisone, so I cannot give you any recommendations about that. Iodine can certainly help, but you'd have to begin with taking the the support nutrients for a while first, I think, since you're hormones are in such a flux. The support nutrients feed the adrenals, and the thyroid, and Iodine gives both of them a bit of a nudge. So I'd recommend building your adrenals with the nutrients and salt for a while first and then start slowly with the Iodine. Sorry I couldn't be more help, I'm not a doctor, and things that work for me may work differently for other people. And a lot of what I've found works for me has been from reading and pure trial and error. Balancing all the hormones for women is always tricky. Bethann " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " ~ Hawking cryssreed wrote: > > > Bethann, when you say you heard most people do better taking their > thyroid meds in the evening, do you mean the RX drugs? Or the Armour kind? > > I just recently started back on Levothyroxine, but at only 50 mcg, for > now, which is a very low dose. > > But my recent TSH was 15.86, and I've been having some really majorly > weird symptoms, that are definitely thyroid-related. I've been having > trouble with cold feet--classic symptom. But since January, I get really > tired in the afternoon, like majorly exhausted, sometimes. And I have > been getting really panicky and weepy in the afternoons. And I feel > better after I go ahead and cry, to get it out of my system. > > But I've also been having trouble eating all my food. I get full and > bloated from eating just a little, sometimes. It doesn't happen, > usually, with dinner, but sure does with lunch, in the afternoon. Then > I'll have trouble figuring out when I'm hungry again. > > And I'm 51, now, so I've been trying to research menopause, to see if > that's part of the problem. But my doctor ran an estrogen test, at my > request, and says my estrogen level is " normal, " so I'm not in > menopause, yet. Well, I think it's at least " perimenopause. " > > And all the worst of my weird symptoms seem to happen after my period. > > So I'm wondering if I should maybe take the Levo at night, instead of > morning, like the pharmacist said? > > And what about the OTC thyroid you mentioned. I've seen a bottle of > thyroid support stuff at Whole Foods, and I think it was Source Naturals. > > Do you think I could maybe take that stuff along with the Levo? > > I'm just eager to get past all this weirdness, and get back to feeling > " normal, " again. > > I used to be on a much higher dose of Levo, last year, 15mg, but stopped > it when I started having a lot of trouble with " heart flutters, " which I > read is a symptom of too much thyroid hormone. > > But, yes, I did this, without consulting the doctor, first. I hadn't > been to see him for months, but recently started going back to him, when > I started having all these weird symptoms going on since January. > > And I'm wondering if a little iodine would help? I get a little in my > sea salt, and my multivitamin, but I know it's not much. > > So what do you think? It seems you know an awful lot about all this. I'd > rather take the dessicated thyroid than the Levo. But, for now, I'm > hoping it will help. But I am concerned it's too LOW of a dose. That's > fine to start back up with, but I would want to increase it as soon as I > can. I do have a message in to my doc to ask about that. > > So, sorry this ran so long, but I had a lot to ask about. I look forward > to your answers, or anyone else's, who has some recommendations. > > Cryss > > > > > > I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all > > different, and we all respond to things > > differently, so I'd recommend a little > > experimenting to see what works for you > > specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex > > plus, one in the morning and one at noon to > > support the adrenals. Another note, most people > > seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds > > in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. > > > > All this was before I got an official Dx and a > > prescription for Armour, and found out about > > Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I > > found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt > > of time reading and researching all this stuff. > > I still do:) > > > > Bethann > > > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > > ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge " > > ~ Hawking > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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