Re: sub-clinical hypothyroid

[Guest guest]

My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

relation to hypoT?

Mo

> A sign of hypothyroidism is that you lose the outer third of your

eyebrows.

> You can lose body and cranial hair in extreme cases too. I also have

to

> pencil in my eyebrows too - good job I'm an artist ;o)

>

>

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> I was interested to read about your eyebrows. Is that a symptom of

> hypothyroidism?

>

> I seem to have lost all the outer bits of my eyebrows and I have to

pencil

> them in or they look weird! I thought they had just stopped growing

after

> years of plucking.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Mo, I lack hairyness too.

Chris

>

> My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

> relation to hypoT?

>

> Mo

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have lost mine, and other body hair is very thin too.

Miriam

> My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

> relation to hypoT?

[Guest guest]

I have always had thickish hair and never suffered any high loss with being HypoT, people oftern comment on how nice and shiny and healthy my hair is, guess I should be thankful for small mercies! Then again I havent been left untreated with hypthyrodism for years like some have, again thankful for small merices, I never lost eye brows or body hair either

Yes, I have lost mine, and other body hair is very thin too.Miriam> My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in > relation to hypoT?

[Guest guest]

Ann,

You wrote:

>

> Serum TSH level above range 6.13 miu/L fasting (normal range 0.35 - 5.5)

I have the impression that only doctors in the UK would label this

sub-clinical or borderline. My son was diagnosed hypoT with a TSH of 4.5

by a Kansas doctor two years after her residency. I am baffled why there

would be such a difference in care across national borders.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Then be grateful you don't live in the UK Chuck - it

really is pretty terrible over here. The British Thyroid Association has it in

their UK Thyroid Function Test Guidelines that the TSH reference interval is

0.4 to 10 and that you should not start treatment therapy until the TSH is

outside of the range. The BTA and Soc. for Endocrinology also state that ONLY

thyroid function tests are required to reach a precise diagnosis of

hypothyroidism - I know what they mean, but no mention of clinical examination,

patient's story, family history etc. I think this little island of ours is

getting top heavy with new-comers and they need to keep the numbers down, and

they're doing a grand job of that. This is the reason TPA-UK is a campaigning

group - to get the NHS to change the diagnosing and treatment protocol for

those who do not do well on levothyroxine alone.

Sheila

I have the impression that only doctors in the UK would label this

sub-clinical or borderline. My son was diagnosed hypoT with a TSH of 4.5

by a Kansas doctor two years after her residency. I am baffled why there

would be such a difference in care across national borders.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey Sheila

I think you may be right here. In 1988 normal TSH was below 6 and in

1990 normal was below 8.

Chris

I think this little island

> of ours is getting top heavy with new-comers and they need to keep

the

> numbers down, and they're doing a grand job of that. >

>

Sheila

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed in 2006 with a TSH below 10 but above 6 so that doesnt seem to apply everywhere and at my docs the cut off point is still 5.5 and at my hospital

Hey SheilaI think you may be right here. In 1988 normal TSH was below 6 and in 1990 normal was below 8.ChrisI think this little island> of ours is getting top heavy with new-comers and they need to keep the> numbers down, and they're doing a grand job of that. > >Sheila> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

The reference range here is actually 0.5 - 4.2 and when I was first

diagnosed my TSH would have been well below the bottom of this

range.

High TSH is not something I have had but like I say from when it

first appeared here on the old test forms it has risen over the

years from 6 to 8 and although it has dropped here, it is now 10 in

some places.

Chris

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> I was diagnosed in 2006 with a TSH below 10 but above 6 so that

doesnt seem to apply everywhere and at my docs the cut off point is

still 5.5 and at my hospital

>

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[Guest guest]

Well THANK you people, I am not sure if my mother was hypoT and am

looking at the possible clues and this is one for sure......

I don;t know when she lost her u nderarm hair, I just remember her

pointing it out to me when she was well into her seventies.

Mo

>

> Yes Mo, I lack hairyness too.

>

> Chris

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> >

> > My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

> > relation to hypoT?

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> > Mo

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[Guest guest]

My Mum too. She has said none of her body hair grows now. She has other

HypoT symptoms, but guess what? normal bloods. I don't think she has

ever asked for the numbers, she has polymyalgia - not seen this for

hypoT, anyone know of it?

Kat

> > > My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

> > > relation to hypoT?

> > >

> > > Mo

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Many

hypothyroid sufferers lose their underarm, pubic and cranial hair Mo.

Luv -

Sheila

My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard

of this in

relation to hypoT?

Mo

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mo

I lost all my body hair after I had a hysterectomy 7 years ago, and thought it

was because

of the removal of my ovaries that caused it. Eyebrows and head ok, though. It

saved me

going to get my legs waxed before my hols, and I had no idea it was connected to

how I

was feeling, and when my legs swelled up like an elephant I thought I was

getting fatter,

and when said legs started to feel too heavy to walk properly or to get up

stairs I thought

that was due to a weight problem. The GP all along was monitoring my progress

(demise)

but did nothing at all except to say the tests were 'normal'!!!! I tended to

rationalise what

was happening to me and soldier on just feeling bewildered and confused about

the

progressive failure of my body and accepted the blame for 'letting myself go'!

love janet

-- In thyroid treatment , " Mo Osborne " <moosborne@...>

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> My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

> relation to hypoT?

> Mo

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ann

I posted these references this morning but they came out all wrong on the forum website so am posting them again.

This doctor is a member of our LABGAB forum as she is trying to keep up with the science behind thyroid disease - if only we had more such doctors. Take a copy of this study and also the following studies below and ask your doctor to read it. Ask why your doctor is not reading the studies and research that has been done into subclinical hypothyroidism?

Subclinical thyroid dysfunction is an abnormal serum thyroid-stimulating hormone level (reference range: 0.45 to 4.50 µU/mL) and free thyroxine and triiodothyronine levels within their reference ranges

GR, Curry RW Jr. Subclinical thyroid disease. Am Fam Physician. 2005 Oct 15;72(8):1517-24

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2. Meier C, Staub J-J, Roth C-B, Gugliemetti M, Kunz M, Miserez AR, Drewe J, Huber P, Herzog M, Muller B. TSH-controlled L-thyroxine therapy reduces cholesterol levels and clinical symptoms in subclinical hypothyroidism: a double blind, placebo-controlled trial (Basel Thyroid Study). J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2001; 86:4860–6

3. DS 2001 Subclinical hypothyroidism. N Engl J Med 345:260–5

4. Ayala A, Wartofsky L. Minimally symptomatic (subclinical) hypothyroidism. Endocrinologist. 1997;7:44–50

5. McDermott MT, Ridgway EC. Clinical perspective: subclinical hypothyroidism is mild thyroid failure and should be treated. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2001; 86:4585–90 (shows benefit with minimal TSH reductions down to only the range of 3–3.5 mU/liter)

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12. Ganguli M, Burmeister LA, Seaberg EC, Belle S, DeKosky ST. Association between dementia and elevated TSH: a community-based study. Biol Psychiatry. 1996;40:714–25

13. Monzani F, Caraccio N, Siciliano G, Manca L, Murri L, Ferrannini E. Clinical and biochemical features of muscle dysfunction in subclinical hypothyroidism. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1997;82:3315–8

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19. Foundation for Blood Research, Scarborough, ME 04074, USA

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29. Tanis BC, Westendorp RGJ, Smelt AHM. Effect of thyroid substitution on hypercholesterolaemia in patients with subclinical hypothyroidism: a reanalysis of intervention studies. Clin Endocrinol. 1996;44:643–9

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31. Michalopoulou G, Alevizaki M, Piperingos G, Mitsibounas D, Mantzos E, Adamopoulos P, Koutras DA. High serum cholesterol levels in persons with 'high-normal' TSH levels: should one extend the definition of subclinical hypothyroidism? Eur J Endocrinol. 1998 Feb;138(2):141-5

32. Bindels AJ, Westendorp RG, Frolich M, Seidell JC, Blokstra A, Smelt AH. The prevalence of subclinical hypothyroidism at different total plasma cholesterol levels in middle aged men and women: a need for case-finding? Clin Endocrinol. 1999;50:217–20

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34. Lekakis J, Papamichael C, Alevizaki M, Piperingos G, Marafelia P. Flow-mediated, endothelium-dependent vasodilatation is impaired in subjects with hypothyroidism, borderline hypothyroidism, and high-normal serum thyrotropin (TSH) values. Thyroid. 1997;7:411–4

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37. Jaeschke R, Guyatt G, Gerstein H, C, Molloy W, Cook D, Harper S, Griffith L, Carbotte R. Does treatment with L-thyroxine influence health status in middle-aged and older adults with subclinical hypothyroidism? J Gen Intern Med. 1996 Dec;11(12):744-9

38. Diekman T, Lansberg PJ, Kastelein JJ, Wiersinga WM. Prevalence and correction of hypothyroidism in a large cohort of patients referred for dyslipidemia. Arch Intern Med. 1995;155:1490–5

39. Perk M, O'Neill BJ. The effect of thyroid hormone therapy on angiographic coronary artery disease progression. Can J Cardiol. 1997;13:273–6

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41. Danese MD, Powe NR, Sawin CT, Ladenson PW. Screening for mild thyroid failure at the periodic health examination. JAMA. 1996;276:285–92

42. McDermott MT, Haugen BR, Lezotte DC, Seggelke S, Ridgway EC. Management practices among primary care physicians and thyroid specialists in the care of hypothyroid patients. Thyroid. 2001;11:757–76

43. Zoncu S, Pigliaru F, Putzu C, Pisano L, Vargiu S, Deidda M, tti S, Mercuro G. Cardiac function in borderline hypothyroidism: a study by pulsed wave tissue Doppler imaging. Eur J Endocrinol. 2005 Apr;152(4):527-33 ("impairment of systolic ejection, a delay in diastolic relaxation and a decrease in the compliance to the ventricular filling… Several significant correlations were found between the parameters and serum-free T(3) and T(4) and TSH concentrations. Data strongly support the concept of a continuum spectrum of a slight thyroid failure in autoimmune thyroiditis.")

I'm running out of paper, but these should be enough for you to try to

convince them to treat you.Luv - Sheila

>> I read an interesting article about sub-clinical hypothyroidism on> this web site www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/72529.php regarding> (title) 'The Treatment Of Common Thyroid Disease Reduces Tiredness And> The Risk Factors For Heart Disease'. The article reads 'Until> recently many doctors considered this condition not worthy of> treatment. Now a new study led by Dr Jolanta Weaver of Newcastle> University and Gateshead NHS Foundation Trust published in this> month's issue of THE JOURNAL OF CLINICAL ENDOCRINOLOGY AND METABOLISM> shows that treatment (for sub-clinical hypothyroid) leads to> significant improvements for patients.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

Unusually I did not grow any underarm hair until I was about 22 by

which time I was becoming overactive with my thyroid. Really strange! I

think normally I would have grown it much earlier than that, for

example daughter of 18 has under arm hair.

Love Ali xxx

" Mo Osborne " <moosborne@...> wrote:

>

> My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

> relation to hypoT?

>

> Mo

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone, this is very interesting to me. I suspect hypoT in my

momother and adrenal fatigue in my father but what confuses me is that

my mother had plenty of energy.

Can you be hypoT and have plenty of energy?

Mo

>

> Hi Mo,

>

> Unusually I did not grow any underarm hair until I was about 22 by

> which time I was becoming overactive with my thyroid. Really strange!

I

> think normally I would have grown it much earlier than that, for

> example daughter of 18 has under arm hair.

>

> Love Ali xxx

>

> " Mo Osborne " <moosborne@> wrote:

> >

> > My mother did not have any underarm hair, anyone heard of this in

> > relation to hypoT?

> >

> > Mo

>

[Guest guest]

Mo (hi!!!)

How about hyPERt and low energy? Sounds a bit nuts, but on the one

occasion in my life when I was hyperthyroid (as evidenced by racing

heart, night sweats etc) I was very fatigued. I know you would

normally expect the opposite, but I remember reading somewhere that a

minority of people experience fatigue when hyper. I suppose its like

everything else; different people respond in very different ways (and

not always in an expected way).

Did she have goitre or other thyroid disease? For instance my

grandfather had goitre, and the only photo of him shows him to be a

very thin man, suggesting hyper as a result of the goitre (he died in

1955 when my mother was only 8 so her memories are scanty).

Apparently he used to drive my grandmother nuts because it was " so

hard to get him moving " , which suggests fatigue, lethargy etc. Its a

bit contradictory, but you see where I'm going with this. He

apparently became very fatigued in the last months of his life and

lapsed into a coma about 10 days before he died. It sounds to me like

the poor man died as a result of untreated thyroid illness.

Also, I dont know if this applies to your mother but south Tipp where

I'm from is known to be a hotbed of thyroid problems. I used to think

that was an old wives tale until I found a published paper from 1949

investigating the prevalence of goitre in south Tipp. Did she have

connections with there?

Anyway, how are doing???

Marie xx

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila, I am beginning to think more and more about bye-passing

any doctors and just taking the Armour Thyroid myself, although I do

wonder why some people are concerned about their T3 etc., as someone

else posted me a message saying that the natural thyroid extract from

Armour contains all you need for your hypoT, it is a bit confusing to

me as I am new to this site, as different people are on different

stuff. Got any suggestions? luv Ann

> Hi Ann

> I posted these references this morning but they came out all wrong on

> the forum website so am posting them again.

> This doctor is a member of our LABGAB forum as she is trying to keep > up with

the science behind thyroid disease - if only we had more such

> doctors.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Marie

Well I do remember my mother's auntie being very obese and having a

goiter and my mother teasing me as a child about my goiter.

She mentioned this enough times for it to stick in my mind and I have

passport photos as recent as 2000 which seems to show a certain

swelling in this area though testing showed no antibodies as such.

Are antobodies always present with a goiter?

My mother's family history I am not sure of, Wexford I think

originally........ what's the story about Tipp. and thyroid Marie?

that sounds v. interesting.

I am still struggling Marie, thanks for asking, maybe I am a medical

mystery?

And by the way, I discovered I had a copy DVD on muscle testing (

when I had a rare tidy-up the other day) so if you like I could post

it to you for per perusal?

Mo x

>

> Mo (hi!!!)

> How about hyPERt and low energy? Sounds a bit nuts, but on the one

> occasion in my life when I was hyperthyroid (as evidenced by racing

> heart, night sweats etc) I was very fatigued. I know you would

> normally expect the opposite, but I remember reading somewhere that

> a minority of people experience fatigue when hyper.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mo

I'm sorry to hear you're stuggling at the moment. I hadnt seen you on

here for a few days so I wondered if you having a rough time. My

fingers are crossed for you that things improve soon.

The thing with goitre and south Tipp is lack of iodine in the soil

apparently. It appears to be quite prevalent (or was before the

advent of food grown outside the local area). In my own family, my

maternal g/f, my mother and now I have had thyroid problems. It

sounds like you may have something similar from your mothers side of

the family.

You would think that a better diet and/or supplemental iodine would

remove the problem in say my generation and beyond, but since there is

a heriditary element to thyroid disease, it seems to be not that

simple. Perhaps some people have a genetic weakness which makes them

more likely to develop goitre in a low iodine situation. I suppose

thats likely since otherwise, 100% of the population in a low iodine

area would have it. Again, perhaps you've inherited a similar genetic

weakness.

As to whether antibodies would be present in goitre, I did a search

and found this link;

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1535965.

It seems to suggest a link between goitre and the presence of

antibodies. When you had the testing, did the test show no

antibodies, or low levels of antibodies?

ALso how long ago was the test done - I'm wondering whether you need

to re-do it as things dont seem to be getting any better for you.

Also I'm wondering whether there are other issues affecting you; I'm

thinking any form of toxicity (from say dental amalgams) or candida.

A couple of weeks ago I talking about an anti-candida program and

although I was going to wait until after Xmas, I got impatient and bit

the bullet. I'm going very gently at it; but its kicking up some

die-off symptoms which makes me realise just how much I needed to do it.

I'm sorry; I dont know enough about it to be much help to you. I'm

really just throwing out ideas, but maybe some of them are relevant to

you.

BTW you were asking about rosacea recently. Its something I've had

for a number of years but now its getting more noticeable so again, I

did some googling. 2 of the results I found were

http://www.sher.co.uk/

It is expensive though so I cant do it, but there is some info on the

site.

and;

http://www.fangocur.com/

They have a clay mask product and a drink, although they say the drink

may bind to medications so it may not be suitable.

Anywya, I hope you get to the bottom of your " mystery " , although I

dont think any of us as a mystery. I just think medical " experts "

arent expert enough to figure it out.

take care. Marie x

[Guest guest]

If you

want to learn about Armour Thyroid, I suggest you read the information on our

website and look at the rebuttal I wrote to the British Thyroid Association's

Statement on natural thyroid extract (Armour Thyroid). There is also a copy of

this in the FILES section of this forum web site. There is a lot of misleading

and down-right incorrect information put out by the BTA that doctors follow,

without question. Learn what you can, and anything you don't understand,

ask questions. Not sure in what way you are concerned about T3. T3 is the

active hormone that needs to get into every cell in your brain and body to make

them function. T4 is the main hormone secreted by the thyroid with a little T3,

but T4 is a mainly inactive hormone that has to convert through the liver and

other organs into the active T3.

Most

sufferers treated within the NHS are given levothyroxine which is T4 alone and

if this doesn't make them well, some doctors (though a decreasing number) will

add some synthetic T3 to their medication. Occasionally, there are NHS

endocrinologists and GP's who will prescribe Armour Thyroid, which is excellent

- but these doctors are hard to find. Because the BTA are giving out

information on their website saying T3 can be dangerous (because it THE active

hormone) most doctors are becoming too scared to prescribe it. The BTA are

incorrect, and they know very well that natural thyroid extract has been used

successfully and safely for over 100 years and was the ONLY treatment for

hypothyroidism before the synthetic thyroxine was manufactured and came into

use around the middle of the 1970s when natural thyroid extract fell out of

favour. It is only since that time that sufferers have started to have

problems.

Luv -

Sheila

Thanks

Sheila, I am beginning to think more and more about bye-passing

any doctors and just taking the Armour Thyroid myself, although I do

wonder why some people are concerned about their T3 etc., as someone

else posted me a message saying that the natural thyroid extract from

Armour contains all you need for your hypoT, it is a bit confusing to

me as I am new to this site, as different people are on different

stuff. Got any suggestions? luv Ann

> Hi Ann

> I posted these references this morning but they came out all wrong on

> the forum website so am posting them again.

> This doctor is a member of our LABGAB forum as she is trying to keep >

up with the science behind thyroid disease - if only we had more such

> doctors.

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[Guest guest]

MESSAGE MODERATED TO REMOVE PREVIOUS ESSAGE ALREADY READ. PLEASE WILL YOU

REMEMBER TO DO THIS AS IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO MEMBERS RECEIVING A DAILY

DIGEST OR WHO READ DIRECT FROM THE WEB SITE AS THEY HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH THESE

TO GET TO THE NEXT MESSAGE. MANY THANKS - SHEILA

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Hi Sheila

I did read the article on treating yourself with Armour Thyroid, but

what I wanted to know is that if you are feeling low again do you dose

yourself up a bit and if going hyper do you dose down, by say half a

grain etc., as it doesn't actually say that on this file, it only says

how to start taking it.

Thanx

Ann

>

> If you want to learn about Armour Thyroid, I suggest you read the

> information on our website and look at the rebuttal I wrote to the

British

> Thyroid Association's Statement on natural thyroid extract (Armour

Thyroid).

>

[Guest guest]

sorry, I don't really know how to work this web site very well, its

the first time I've used this kind of thing, also I'm a bit foggy in

the brain department too so not to sure either.

luv

Ann

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>

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WILL YOU REMEMBER TO DO THIS AS IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO MEMBERS

RECEIVING A DAILY DIGEST OR WHO READ DIRECT FROM THE WEB SITE AS THEY

HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH THESE TO GET TO THE NEXT MESSAGE. MANY THANKS -

SHEILA

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> Hi Sheila

>

> I did read the article on treating yourself with Armour Thyroid, but

> what I wanted to know is that if you are feeling low again do you dose

> yourself up a bit and if going hyper do you dose down, by say half a

> grain etc., as it doesn't actually say that on this file, it only says

> how to start taking it.

> Thanx

> Ann

>

> >

> > If you want to learn about Armour Thyroid, I suggest you read the

> > information on our website and look at the rebuttal I wrote to the

> British

> > Thyroid Association's Statement on natural thyroid extract (Armour

> Thyroid).

> >

>

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LUV - SHEILA

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Thanks Marie for all that wonderful info, I will feast on it in a

minute.

Mo

>

> Anywya, I hope you get to the bottom of your " mystery " , although I

> dont think any of us as a mystery. I just think medical " experts "

> arent expert enough to figure it out.

>

> take care. Marie x

>

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Hi Ann

Yes, if you are self treating and increasing by half a

grain every 4 weeks, once you have learned how to recognise when you have

reached your " sweet spot " - then you stay on that particular dose.

If, however, you find symptoms return or feeling down, then try adding another

half grain. Sometimes, you need to take a little extra thyroid hormone

replacement in the winter because your metabolism works even slower, and in

summer, you might find you don't need as much. However, always be aware of any

of the 'associated conditions' that go along with being hypothyroid and if

suddenly you feel the Armour isn't working as well as it did, then have a look

to make sure it isn't one of these conditions that is suddenly getting in the

way and stopping your thyroid hormone from being processed.

Luv - Sheila

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I did read the article on treating yourself with Armour Thyroid, but

what I wanted to know is that if you are feeling low again do you dose

yourself up a bit and if going hyper do you dose down, by say half a

grain etc., as it doesn't actually say that on this file, it only says

how to start taking it.

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