Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 That's the basal Ali and I am sorry I am still in Fahrenheit so don't know how low that is or not. The basal should be between 97.8 and 98.2 in Fahrenheit The daily average gives you a lot more information and, as Sheila said, the basal is the one that can come up later than the pulse etc. so the daily average is probably the best one to work with for me I think. Is this correct? any other 'tempers' out there like to confirm? Glad you got your book. Keep meaning to get a copy but I think there was some complication in ordering a copy. Good account I think? Graphing the average daily temps will you a clear, visual representation of how things are going. I find this particularly useful as I am more a visual person and I can see at a glance the pattern over the past month or so. Mo > > I got a thermometer yesterday and have been taking my temps. It says > in the Stop the Thyroid Madness Book (which arrived yesterday, > yipee!) to take your temps three hours after you wake and then every > three hours during the day and compare these over five days or so. > > > What do other people think to this? > > When I took my temp this morning 5:30 am before getting out of bed > it was: > > 36.1 C which I think is a little low, what do you reckon? > > Ali > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 > The daily average gives you a lot more information and, as Sheila said, > the basal is the one that can come up later than the pulse etc. so the > daily average is probably the best one to work with for me I think. > Is this correct? any other 'tempers' out there like to confirm? Hi Mo I used to temp as per Dr Rind. I stopped doing it but with all this talk about it I am going to go back to it because now, particularly with hindsight, I can see the benefits of it. Like everything that's new, it took a little while to get to grips with and understand, but once you have, it's invaluable in letting you know when your adrenals are struggling with something, like a raise or stress for example, because the average daily temps drop. And it IS that clear to see. You see a pattern emerge which tells you what's going on adrenal wise and so helps you with decision making. I've seen lots of correlation in temp drops to adrenal stressors. It takes a bit of the guess work out of it. I'm sure it's not infallible but with all the inevitable confusion and difficulty in interpreting signs and symptoms that go along with hypothyroidism and hypoadrenalism, it's a very useful tool. Even though it can be a bit of a bind! x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 In Dr P's book is says anything at or below 97.6 F or 36.5 C is low. That chart of Dr Rind's looks a good idea. Those explanations of what the various trends mean are very useful. I am going to use his Excel spreadsheet version and plot my morning temperatures in blue and the evening ones in red! :-) Miriam > When I took my temp this morning 5:30 am before getting out of bed > it was: > 36.1 C which I think is a little low, what do you reckon? > Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I'm still in Fahrenheit but according to Dr Rinds Temp graph 97.8-98.2 equates to 36.6-36.8 Centigrade. You can read more and print off the graphs here http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp So yes, your basal 36.1 is low. I find the daily average temps invaluable as to what is happening with my adrenals. It can be a bit of a pain at times but well worth it when you see the results. Gillian >> Hi Folks,> > I got a thermometer yesterday and have been taking my temps. It says > in the Stop the Thyroid Madness Book (which arrived yesterday, > yipee!) to take your temps three hours after you wake and then every > three hours during the day and compare these over five days or so. > > > What do other people think to this?> > When I took my temp this morning 5:30 am before getting out of bed > it was:> > 36.1 C which I think is a little low, what do you reckon?> > Ali> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Hi Alice I think that you basal temp needs to be around 36.7. If you are having periods you take it on day 2 to day 5 of your cycle. At this time of the mont it will be at its lowest before ovulation, I believe this is the recommended time to do it. Love Lizzie > > 36.1 C which I think is a little low, what do you reckon? > > Ali > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Yes i agree with you in that it is extremely useful and also a right pain in the bot bot My son who was recently diagnosed by Dr P had to chart his and he had this summer job (he is a uni student) in a local pub. So you can imagine his difficulty in trying to nip into the loo to do his temps when he was the only one working the bar in a busy pub...... So quite a few times he did miss one reading out of the three which was a real nuisance but he still managed quite well and was able to use this to guage how much to increase his adrenal support. He is making an Armour increase this weekend and will start charting again to assess how this if affecting him. And yes it IS uncanny almost, isn't it, the way the temp reflects the adrenal stressors? I do find it difficult to remember to take it at the correct times but, like you say, with time it becomes a habit and gets easier. Mo > > > The daily average gives you a lot more information and, as Sheila > said, > > the basal is the one that can come up later than the pulse etc. so > the > > daily average is probably the best one to work with for me I think. > > Is this correct? any other 'tempers' out there like to confirm? > > > Hi Mo > > I used to temp as per Dr Rind. I stopped doing it but with all this > talk about it I am going to go back to it because now, particularly > with hindsight, I can see the benefits of it. > > Like everything that's new, it took a little while to get to grips > with and understand, but once you have, it's invaluable in letting you > know when your adrenals are struggling with something, like a raise or > stress for example, because the average daily temps drop. And it IS > that clear to see. You see a pattern emerge which tells you what's > going on adrenal wise and so helps you with decision making. I've seen > lots of correlation in temp drops to adrenal stressors. > > It takes a bit of the guess work out of it. I'm sure it's not > infallible but with all the inevitable confusion and difficulty in > interpreting signs and symptoms that go along with hypothyroidism and > hypoadrenalism, it's a very useful tool. Even though it can be a bit > of a bind! > > x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Personally, I think you can become too obsessed with taking temperatures until you are actually on treatment. However, having said that, it is a good idea to take your basal temperature before getting out of bed (better if this is done around the same time each day) to find out if this is consistently low (take it for 4 to 5 mornings). Normal temperature is 98.4 (some say .6) and if your temperature is 97.8 or less, this indicates you could be suffering with hypothyroidism because it shows your metabolism is low. Your temperature can be VERY low, so don't let it alarm you too much. Once you are taking L-thyroxine (or Armour), then it is a good idea to take your basal temperature a few times to see if it starts to rise, as this would indicate the treatment is starting to work, and your metabolism is coming back into line. However, there is not much point in taking it every day during this stage because you need to increase your L-thyroxine by 25 mcgs increments on a few occasions until you start to feel well again. If you don't feel well, and still suffering many symptoms, as you appear to be Alice, then just take your basal temperature again for a week and let us know what these are. You should tell your doctor about these if they are very low, because then he should know you are not taking enough, or you are not converting the T4 into T3. If you start on HC, then you should take your temperature to see the point when the HC actually starts to kick in - and this really works. Follow Dr Rind's adrenal temperature guide I posted for this morning. You should take both your pulse and temperature - and apart from you suddenly starting to feel better, pulse and temperature are one of the best indications to tell you whether you need an increase or a decrease. Apart from the latter scenario, I think taking your temperature three times a day at the same time of day would prove pretty difficult for a lot of us. Luv - Sheila Hi Folks,I got a thermometer yesterday and have been taking my temps. It says in the Stop the Thyroid Madness Book (which arrived yesterday, yipee!) to take your temps three hours after you wake and then every three hours during the day and compare these over five days or so. What do other people think to this?When I took my temp this morning 5:30 am before getting out of bed it was:36.1 C which I think is a little low, what do you reckon?Ali No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1677 - Release Date: 17/09/2008 17:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Excellent idea Miriam - let us know how you get on. Luv - Sheila In Dr P's book is says anything at or below 97.6 F or 36.5 C is low. That chart of Dr Rind's looks a good idea. Those explanations of whatthe various trends mean are very useful. I am going to use his Excelspreadsheet version and plot my morning temperatures in blue and theevening ones in red! :-) .. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1677 - Release Date: 17/09/2008 17:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Have a look at the different blank temperature graphs and see which one you could work with and print it off. If you don't have a printer, tell me which one you like and I will take a print of it for you and send it to you. Temperature Graphs & Samples View Temperature Graph Directions Download clean, unmarked Temperature Graph: Format Adobe Acrobat (.PDF File)Format Image (.GIF File)Format Excel Spreadsheet (.XLS File) Download sample Temperature Graph: Format Adobe Acrobat (.PDF File)Format Image (.GIF File) Download sample Temperature Graph in Color (BEST): Format Adobe Acrobat (.PDF File)Format Image (.GIF File) Luv - Sheila> > I'm still in Fahrenheit but according to Dr Rinds Temp graph 97.8-98.2> equates to 36.6-36.8 Centigrade. You can read more and print off the> graphs here http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp> <> So yes, your basal 36.1 is low.> > I find the daily average temps invaluable as to what is happening with> my adrenals. It can be a bit of a pain at times but well worth it when> you see the results.> > Gillian> > > >> > Hi Folks,> >> > I got a thermometer yesterday and have been taking my temps. It says> > in the Stop the Thyroid Madness Book (which arrived yesterday,> > yipee!) to take your temps three hours after you wake and then every> > three hours during the day and compare these over five days or so.> >> >> > What do other people think to this?> >> > When I took my temp this morning 5:30 am before getting out of bed> > it was:> >> > 36.1 C which I think is a little low, what do you reckon?> >> > Ali> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 You go girl! Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I would agree with your Ali. Your adrenals will need attention first of course, are you taking anything for them now? Mo .. Do you value your online security? - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security ________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Hi Mo, Thanks for your reply and no I am not taking anything for them at the moment. May I ask where do you get your thermometers from ? I would like to get a mercury one but am having difficulty. Ali <moosborne@...> wrote: > > > I would agree with your Ali. > > Your adrenals will need attention first of course, are you taking anything for them now? > > Mo > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > 17 > New Members > > 10 > New FilesVisit Your Group > > > Health > > Healthy Aging > > Improve your > > quality of life. > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > > > Real Food Group > > Share recipes > > and favorite meals. > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you value your online security? - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security ________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hi Ali - Normal body temperatures can vary and are influenced by factors such as exercise, eating, sleeping and the time of the day - the lowest temperature is usually recorded at around 3am, the highest at 6pm. The average normal body temperature taken in the mouth is 37ºC (98.6ºF), but anywhere between 36.5ºC and 37.2ºC (97.7ºF and 99ºF) may be normal. Normal armpit temperatures are 0.2ºC to 0.3ºC lower than this. Did you take yours in your mouth or armpit? Your temperatures do show you have a low metabolism and you need to work on raising this, either through your thyroid or as you say your adrenals. Have you done the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile to find out where your corotisol and DHEA are at four specific times during the day? Luv - Sheila Thursday 36.4 C (97.6 F)Friday 36.1 C (97.00F)Sat 36.5 C (97.7 F)Sun 36.6 C (97.8 F)Mon 36.7 c (98.1 F)Tues 36.4 (97.6 F)I think it is looking like my thryoid is not being treated adequately and my adrenals are fatigued; but I am new to this. .. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 24/09/2008 06:29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hi Sheila, I took my temp in my mouth, I used the instructions in the Stop the Thyroid Madness book, as per dr rind. I have ordered a couple of mercury thermometers today, as from what I have heard they will be more accurate. I do see what you mean about certain factors influencing your temps, it does say on the thermometer packet 'Temperature is not the only indication of illness'. I have not done the 24 hour salivary test; but I am going to check where I am in my cycle to do this as it has to be day nineteen, twenty, or twenty one. I reckon this will give me a better even more accurate idea of what is going on, even if this means having ruled out a Adrenal problem before starting Armour. Love Ali sheilaturner wrote: > > Hi Ali - Normal body temperatures can vary and are influenced by factors such as exercise, eating, sleeping and the time of the day - the lowest temperature is usually recorded at around 3am, the highest at 6pm. The average normal body temperature taken in the mouth is 37ºC (98.6ºF), but anywhere between 36.5ºC and 37.2ºC (97.7ºF and 99ºF) may be normal. Normal armpit temperatures are 0.2ºC to 0.3ºC lower than this. Did you take yours in your mouth or armpit? > > Your temperatures do show you have a low metabolism and you need to work on raising this, either through your thyroid or as you say your adrenals. Have you done the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile to find out where your corotisol and DHEA are at four specific times during the day? > > Luv - Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 oops, I seem to have lost your message entirely when trying to cut it! Well that's brilliant Ali, you are all set then for the onwards and upwards experience! Are you going to do the 24-hr saliva test before you see Dr P? Mo Do you value your online security? - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security ________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 It will be interesting to see how your av. temps compare to the ASI results. Mo Yes Mo, I have checked my cycle and shall do it tommorow as that's one of the right days, I shall then pop them in the fridge and post on Sat morning. Think I may get some odd looks in the post office LOLAlimoosborne@...> wrote:> oops, I seem to have lost your message entirely when trying to cut it!> > Well that's brilliant Ali, you are all set then for the onwards and upwards experience! > > Are you going to do the 24-hr saliva test before you see Dr P?> > MoDo you value your online security? - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security ________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hi Ali I got a glass, mercury filled, easy to read thermometer from my local chemist for £1.99. JenM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Since I have been graphing my temps about 2 weeks now, the last 3 days they have been exactly the same 97.4, the most stable they have ever been, infact since the HC increase to 30mg, it may just be wishfull thinking but its given me a bit of hope that maybe I am on enough HC now and can soon increase the thyroid, anyone know how long the temps have to be stable before the thyroid can be increased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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