Re: Re: Armour v Nutri Thyroid

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That is totally the case for me, by taking HC and supporting my adrenals in that way has been the 'missing link' for me. I know I shall still need the thyroxine but at a lower dose--- On Sat, 30/8/08, miriam_hinch <miriam_hinch@...>

I should have said, "something stronger like Armour, if necessary". Miriam

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> Yes, I asked Dr Peatfield about the difference this very afternoon. > He said that Nutri Thyroid had a low enough level of active hormone so

> that it could be sold as a food supplement

> > Miriam

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...and would be number one priority in the treatment of hypothyroidism. Some people, and we know the majority of doctors have no idea of the thyroid/adrenal connection - low adrenal reserve needs treating before thyroid hormone replacement.

Luv - Sheila

I should have said, "something stronger like Armour, if necessary". If low thyroid problems are caused because poor adrenal function leadsto an inability to make use of thyroid hormone, then restoring adrenalfunction could have a big impact by itself.Miriam

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Hi

The short answer to that is that NO. If a person needs either T4 or T3 because their thyroid, for whatever reason, is not making the thyroid hormones they need, the Nutri-Thyroid cannot be used as an effective therapy. Your response was right, only T4 and T3 can be used to treat deficiencies of T4 and T3. NAE is effective in other ways, as has been said over and over and is on all the Nutri websites.

Sheila

PS: IIRC the original question concerned whether a person who was not taking T4/T3 could instead effectively treat hypothyroidism with Nutri-Thyroid. My response was an emphatic negative; my own personal opinion. But consider if I'm wrong: In this case we don't really need T4/T3; we can use Nutri-Thyroid instead. And everything I've read and learned about hypothyroidism is wrong.>

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No you're not wrong - no one has ever suggested here that supplements can treat a thyroid illness - of course T4/T3 is required (although there is evidence that iodine can sometimes correct thyroid disease - see the iodine group and Dr Brownstein's site).

However, and I dont have specific research evidence to hand about vitamins/minerals but a recent publication by the NHS did state that the % of these in vegetables has reduced over the last 50 years to as much as 70% in some. The article also said that pretty much everyone (in UK) should be taking supplements. The lack of V & Ms is down to over farming and use of chemicals etc - dont know if thats the same in the US as you have a lot more land than we do here!!!

I dont think anyone here would suggest that any supplements would replace thyroid hormones, but there is plenty of evidence that iodine deficiency for example affects the thyroid adversely and that other supplements eg selenium support thyroid function.

I dont think that you intend to poo poo supplements and are just making the point that it doesnt replace T4/T3 - I hope so anyway! Chill anyway!!

Gill

It is specifically those studies that are missing in most vitamin and supplement preparations sold without a prescription; at least in the US. If you have a reference to such a study I would appreciate a link.

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I believe that's what Sheila's saying too. But take note of this message:Quote:> What is the purpose of taking NutriThyroid? What are the benefits?> If Thyroxine and Armour are not tolerated, is this is sustainable> replacement? I can't seem to tolerate Armour, and thyroxine, I am> hypothryoid and suffer already from heart failure.>> Thnx> KookyEnd of quote.As you can see, she is hypothyroid and not able to take Armour or thyroxine, and wants to know if Nutri-Thyroid will serve the purpose [treatment] of same. It will not.

....and that is what she was told - what point are you trying to make, I simply do not understand? Kooky has got the answer, you have got the answer about our recommendations regarding supplementation and actual hormone therapy. NAE cannot be used as a thyroid hormone replacement. Please accept this.Unless you have peer reviewed literature of which I'm unaware then the value of Nutri-Thyroid as a supplement remains a matter of opinion.

The reason why Kooky is probably unable to tolerate Armour or L-thyroxine therapy is that she may have an underlying cause that is stopping any form of thyroid hormone replacement from being absorbed. She may have low adrenal reserve, she could have systemic candidiasis, she could have a low ferritin, or she could have low vitamin D or another associated condition that goes along with hypothyroidism. Nutri Thyroid, nor any other thyroid supplement will take the place of thyroid hormones.

I will not repeat myself again. Best,.>

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Hi - no offence taken!

Iodine is something on my list to look into, though I have read a couple of dr brownstein's books and he seems to be taking a similar approach to the 'decent docs' we know, but I havent studied iodine and looked at the research yet - mainly because I figure I have to get straight on the Armour before I start adding anything else in!

You are right to be sceptical - so am I - especially looking at the research and what its supposed to demonstrate - when actually a lot of it is flawed, but still accepted!

But anyway, thanks for posting and explaining - we do try to keep this a 'conflict free zone' so your post is welcomed!

Gill

Gill, in retrospect this looks to be a sharper response than I intended. Perhaps I should explain...

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