Re: ????'s

[Guest guest]

My doc gave me cortef and I didn't like it at all!

"If you would be loved, love and be lovable." lin

In a message dated 9/29/2008 2:34:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ladybugsandbees@... writes:

Cortef is a drug by Rx so it has a patent? Not many docs like using it.

Steph

Re: ????'s

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

if your adrenals are crashing - what do you do about it? Sorry for the elementary question . . . I know you have written about it, but now I am curious.

Toni

"If you would be loved, love and be lovable." lin

In a message dated 9/29/2008 2:15:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, circe@... writes:

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

Hi , I also have Lyme disease, hypo T and low cortisol, and I feel

just the way you do! Mornings are the worst then as the day progresses

usually I tend to feel better. I can actually feel the change happen

within minutes some days. Like a lifting of fog and clearing of my mind

and my attitude even gets happier and my fatigue lifts as well. Very

odd. I felt much better earlier this Summer and in the Spring, much more

energy, less fatigue and much better sense of well being. My blood work

at that time showed optimal thyroid for the first time in a couple years

but still low cortisol. I think in my case at least, it helps a lot to

at least have one of the two in good range. Now that I am having

problems again I think either Thyroid is low again or cortisol is even

lower. I have both saliva tests and blood work in the works now so will

know more soon. It's tough to gauge what's going on as aren't hypto T

and low cortisol symptoms similiar? I can sure feel the drain on my body

and mind if any stress is experienced. Even small things like a lively

conversation or having to make a phone call! Getting a good night's

sleep is a MUST to avoid feeling like crap!

Take care, G/MI

Hi All,

Just wondering if this is typical of thyroid/adrenal problems. During

the day I feel the worst....extreme fatigue & extreme brain fog, then

in the evening I perk up and actually feel pretty good, it's seems like

my body has it's days and nights mixed up. Is this common?

Also, just curious what a " hypo voice " is, I have heard a couple of

people mention this.

Thanks in advance for all the help.

W

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Those are classic adrenal / thyroid issues. I used to get " wired / tired "

at night. Taking Metagenics Serenegan really helped me along with getting

my thyroid levels back in line.

Steph

????'s

> Hi All,

>

> Just wondering if this is typical of thyroid/adrenal problems. During

> the day I feel the worst....extreme fatigue & extreme brain fog, then

> in the evening I perk up and actually feel pretty good, it's seems like

> my body has it's days and nights mixed up. Is this common?

> Also, just curious what a " hypo voice " is, I have heard a couple of

> people mention this.

> Thanks in advance for all the help.

>

> W

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcik

has this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,

and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't like

Cortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good with

tired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my main

issues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,

weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick with

lyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Looking

back I now think it was my adrenals crashing.

G/MI

Those are classic adrenal / thyroid issues. I used to get " wired / tired "

at night. Taking Metagenics Serenegan really helped me along with getting

my thyroid levels back in line.

Steph

????'s

> Hi All,

>

> Just wondering if this is typical of thyroid/adrenal problems. During

> the day I feel the worst....extreme fatigue & extreme brain fog, then

> in the evening I perk up and actually feel pretty good, it's seems like

> my body has it's days and nights mixed up. Is this common?

> Also, just curious what a " hypo voice " is, I have heard a couple of

> people mention this.

> Thanks in advance for all the help.

>

> W

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I was just curious if you are on any thyroid/adrenal meds and at what time of day you take your medication or supplements?

Also, I am not quite sure of "hypo voice", but my voice definately has a lower tone to it since I was diagnosed with Hashi's. Even with my thyroid levels good right now, I still have a deep voice. I choose to embrace it now, trying to convince myself it is sounds sultry, lol.

Take care,

From: cojaygi <cojaygi@...>Subject: ????'siodine Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 11:46 AM

Hi All,Just wondering if this is typical of thyroid/adrenal problems. During the day I feel the worst....extreme fatigue & extreme brain fog, then in the evening I perk up and actually feel pretty good, it's seems like my body has it's days and nights mixed up. Is this common?Also, just curious what a "hypo voice" is, I have heard a couple of people mention this.Thanks in advance for all the help. W

[Guest guest]

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

Nope - my ND put me on it before I went to Dr. B. I used to have panic

attacks, anxiety and insomnia too. 5 HTP I have heard is good along with

L-Theanine.

Steph

Re: ????'s

> Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcik

> has this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,

> and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't like

> Cortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good with

> tired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my main

> issues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,

> weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick with

> lyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Looking

> back I now think it was my adrenals crashing.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You had all that awful stuff too? Poor girl, I know how horrid that is.

Nothing stopped my panic and anxiety except time of day! Evenings were

OK. I have L Theanine, I use it sometimes before bed. But it seems

rather weak and really doesn't affect me too much. I still awaken within

1-4 hours after going to sleep.

G/MI

Nope - my ND put me on it before I went to Dr. B. I used to have panic

attacks, anxiety and insomnia too. 5 HTP I have heard is good along with

L-Theanine.

Steph

Re: ????'s

> Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcik

> has this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,

> and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't like

> Cortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good with

> tired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my main

> issues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,

> weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick with

> lyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Looking

> back I now think it was my adrenals crashing.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cortef is a drug by Rx so it has a patent? Not many docs like using it.

Steph

Re: ????'s

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

Try eating some protein before you go to bed.

Here is the list I took to Dr. B on my first appt. One of these days he and

I will have a chat about how it feels to have a new patient hand something

like this to him. LOL ! He was a great sport and told me " Don't worry we

will get you feeling better " . He is the first doctor that ever told me

that he would help me feel better. All the others told me it was in my head

and gave me a rx for zoloft. Grrrrrr...........................

Achy Muscles

Brain Fog

Joint Pain

Eczema

Slow Hair Growth

Slow Nail Growth

Anxiety

Depression

Mood swings

Irregular Periods

Intolerance to Noise

Low Stamina

Feeling Cold

Cold Hands & Feet

Insomnia Sleep Disturbances

Dry Hair

Dry Skin

Need for Naps

Inability to Concentrate

No LIBIDO

TMJ

Vertigo

Carpal Tunnel

Spider Veins

Chronic Athletes Foot

If you are interested, this is my first visit to Dr. B

http://ds-ladybugsandbees.blogspot.com/2007/01/thyroid-cancer-my-appointment-wit\

h-dr-b.html

Steph

Re: ????'s

> You had all that awful stuff too? Poor girl, I know how horrid that is.

> Nothing stopped my panic and anxiety except time of day! Evenings were

> OK. I have L Theanine, I use it sometimes before bed. But it seems

> rather weak and really doesn't affect me too much. I still awaken within

> 1-4 hours after going to sleep.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

True, if it were an issue of wanting to use patented meds my Dr would

have liked it fine. But she wants to use supplements and natural ways to

heal the adrenals. She said Cortef is short acting. The Dr that RXd the

compounded Cortisol for me me said that as well.

G/MI

Cortef is a drug by Rx so it has a patent? Not many docs like using it.

Steph

Re: ????'s

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

Can you expand on that bit, what was i you didn't like? Thanks!

G/MI

My doc gave me cortef and I didn't like it at all!

"If you would be loved, love and be lovable." lin

In a message dated 9/29/2008 2:34:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ladybugsandbees@... writes:

Cortef is a drug by Rx so it has a patent? Not many docs like using it.

Steph

Re: ????'s

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

Some don't feel good on it.

Steph

Re: ????'s

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

It patches things until your adrenals can heal. I had to use it for a few

months but I got off it as fast as I could. I used the Cytozyme AD,

Licorice Root, Serenegan, Adraset and Vit C to help heal. Oh and don't

forget the Celtic Salt and Iodine!!

Steph

Re: ????'s

> True, if it were an issue of wanting to use patented meds my Dr would

> have liked it fine. But she wants to use supplements and natural ways to

> heal the adrenals. She said Cortef is short acting. The Dr that RXd the

> compounded Cortisol for me me said that as well.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's quite a list! Hey, at least you let him know what was wrong.

And he came through on his reassurance! I have about half of your

symptoms, not all of them severe or every day. NO fun! I have been very

fortunate in that I have never been told it is all in my head!! Grrrrr,

is right!

G/MI

Try eating some protein before you go to bed.

Here is the list I took to Dr. B on my first appt. One of these days he and

I will have a chat about how it feels to have a new patient hand something

like this to him. LOL ! He was a great sport and told me " Don't worry we

will get you feeling better " . He is the first doctor that ever told me

that he would help me feel better. All the others told me it was in my head

and gave me a rx for zoloft. Grrrrrr...........................

Achy Muscles

Brain Fog

Joint Pain

Eczema

Slow Hair Growth

Slow Nail Growth

Anxiety

Depression

Mood swings

Irregular Periods

Intolerance to Noise

Low Stamina

Feeling Cold

Cold Hands & Feet

Insomnia Sleep Disturbances

Dry Hair

Dry Skin

Need for Naps

Inability to Concentrate

No LIBIDO

TMJ

Vertigo

Carpal Tunnel

Spider Veins

Chronic Athletes Foot

If you are interested, this is my first visit to Dr. B

http://ds-ladybugsandbees.blogspot.com/2007/01/thyroid-cancer-my-appointment-wit\

h-dr-b.html

Steph

Re: ????'s

> You had all that awful stuff too? Poor girl, I know how horrid that is.

> Nothing stopped my panic and anxiety except time of day! Evenings were

> OK. I have L Theanine, I use it sometimes before bed. But it seems

> rather weak and really doesn't affect me too much. I still awaken within

> 1-4 hours after going to sleep.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know that about eating protein and have done that, but need to do it

regularly and see how it goes!

G/MI

Try eating some protein before you go to bed.

Here is the list I took to Dr. B on my first appt. One of these days he and

I will have a chat about how it feels to have a new patient hand something

like this to him. LOL ! He was a great sport and told me " Don't worry we

will get you feeling better " . He is the first doctor that ever told me

that he would help me feel better. All the others told me it was in my head

and gave me a rx for zoloft. Grrrrrr...........................

Achy Muscles

Brain Fog

Joint Pain

Eczema

Slow Hair Growth

Slow Nail Growth

Anxiety

Depression

Mood swings

Irregular Periods

Intolerance to Noise

Low Stamina

Feeling Cold

Cold Hands & Feet

Insomnia Sleep Disturbances

Dry Hair

Dry Skin

Need for Naps

Inability to Concentrate

No LIBIDO

TMJ

Vertigo

Carpal Tunnel

Spider Veins

Chronic Athletes Foot

If you are interested, this is my first visit to Dr. B

http://ds-ladybugsandbees.blogspot.com/2007/01/thyroid-cancer-my-appointment-wit\

h-dr-b.html

Steph

Re: ????'s

> You had all that awful stuff too? Poor girl, I know how horrid that is.

> Nothing stopped my panic and anxiety except time of day! Evenings were

> OK. I have L Theanine, I use it sometimes before bed. But it seems

> rather weak and really doesn't affect me too much. I still awaken within

> 1-4 hours after going to sleep.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I used to eat a hard boiled egg.

Steph

Re: ????'s

>I know that about eating protein and have done that, but need to do it

> regularly and see how it goes!

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

They were pretty much all the time. That is why I felt like I was dying. I

am down to 2 of the symptoms left. I am thankful! It took about a year and

8 mos to get to that point.

Re: ????'s

> That's quite a list! Hey, at least you let him know what was wrong.

> And he came through on his reassurance! I have about half of your

> symptoms, not all of them severe or every day. NO fun! I have been very

> fortunate in that I have never been told it is all in my head!! Grrrrr,

> is right!

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, is that all? I can easily manage that! I was thinking more had to

be consumed to last all night.

G/MI

I used to eat a hard boiled egg.

Steph

Re: ????'s

>I know that about eating protein and have done that, but need to do it

> regularly and see how it goes!

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think my Dr was referring to short acting as needing multiple doses a

day. I take C and sea salt. Selenium in my multi is 200 mg. I need more

of something! As I get my testing back I will hopefully find out what is

the root cause of all this.

G/MI

It patches things until your adrenals can heal. I had to use it for a few

months but I got off it as fast as I could. I used the Cytozyme AD,

Licorice Root, Serenegan, Adraset and Vit C to help heal. Oh and don't

forget the Celtic Salt and Iodine!!

Steph

Re: ????'s

> True, if it were an issue of wanting to use patented meds my Dr would

> have liked it fine. But she wants to use supplements and natural ways to

> heal the adrenals. She said Cortef is short acting. The Dr that RXd the

> compounded Cortisol for me me said that as well.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean, for a few months I thought sure I was dying.

Course that just made more stress and made things even worse! You have

done very well! Congratulations!

G/MI

They were pretty much all the time. That is why I felt like I was dying. I

am down to 2 of the symptoms left. I am thankful! It took about a year and

8 mos to get to that point.

Re: ????'s

> That's quite a list! Hey, at least you let him know what was wrong.

> And he came through on his reassurance! I have about half of your

> symptoms, not all of them severe or every day. NO fun! I have been very

> fortunate in that I have never been told it is all in my head!! Grrrrr,

> is right!

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's all I did and all my ND recommended. I sometimes added a slice of

hard cheese.

Steph

Re: ????'s

> Wow, is that all? I can easily manage that! I was thinking more had to

> be consumed to last all night.

>

> G/MI

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

the problem with cortef can be a dosing problem. when I first tried cortef the ND told me not to take any past 5pm (15mg total) and this made me feel awful, so I stopped for a year. then I tried it again taking total of 20mg and now take the last dose at bedtime, and feel great.

well HC cannot be patented, right? not sure about cortef.

Gracia

Some don't feel good on it.

Steph

Re: ????'s

FWIW I really love cortef/HC. I would be a wreck without it and I don't see any downsides to it. .too bad docs don't know how to use it, but they don't seem to know about any med that can't be patented, including iodine.

gracia

Is this something Dr B suggested for you Steph? I noticed Dr Kovalcikhas this brand in her office. She also mentioned Tryptophan, 5 HTP, B 5,and glandulars for adrenal support. I found out she doesn't likeCortisol or Cortef. It's pretty tough to keep thyroid levels good withtired adrenals isn't it? I think that may very well be one of my mainissues, and could be why I had the nasty reaction (severe fatigue,weakness and some anxiety) to Lugol's. When I first got really sick withlyme I had panic attacks, horrid anxiety and insomnia from hell. Lookingback I now think it was my adrenals crashing.G/MI

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[Guest guest]

cortef IS short acting--that's why I take it 4X a day.

Gracia

True, if it were an issue of wanting to use patented meds my Dr wouldhave liked it fine. But she wants to use supplements and natural ways toheal the adrenals. She said Cortef is short acting. The Dr that RXd thecompounded Cortisol for me me said that as well.G/MI

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