Re: Health going downhill again - any ideas?

[Guest guest]

Get some liquorice root and scald to make yourself some

liquorice tea. Buy Siberian Ginseng and take 2000mgs Vitamin C daily with your

NAX. Have you had your ferritin (stored iron) checked. If this is very low,

this will stop any thyroid hormone replacement from working as will low vitamin

D and systemic candidiasis. You may need to get checked to see you have candida

antibodies. Your GP will test your ferritin level.

Luv - Sheila

Good afternoon people,

I am after a little help if possible from you good folk. I can feel my

health steadily going downhill again, waking up rough every morning,

weakness, fatigue, anxiety, headache, difficutly controlling body

temps, low mood, brain fog etc. Have had to sleep most of this

weekend. :-(

Started taking morning temps a couple of days ago, just over 36.

Just to remind you I am undiagnosed due to bloods just being in range,

free t4 very low, and self treating with Armour and nax since the

summer. Up until the last week or three I was doing really well. Got up

to one grain per day very slowly, but haven't been able to increase

from there without feeling over medicated after a few days/week, tried

a few times now. I felt it could be adrenal, I guess, so have upped nax

to four per day now.

I am going to arrange to see Dr P soon, but do you have any tips until

such time, that I could try?

Thanks so much, hugely appreciated.

xx

[Guest guest]

Hi

I am no expert but it may be that your adrenals need more support in order to tollerate more Armour, maybe NAX isnt enough to help you raise the armour.

Sorry to hear this as you seemed to have been doing really well

Good afternoon people,I am after a little help if possible from you good folk. I can feel my health steadily going downhill again, waking up rough every morning, weakness, fatigue, anxiety, headache, difficutly controlling body temps, low mood, brain fog etc. Have had to sleep most of this weekend. :-(Started taking morning temps a couple of days ago, just over 36.xx

[Guest guest]

Rhanks Sheila,

My ferritin was 50, so not too bad. I had loads of tests done by an

endo earlier in year, he said he would do vit d, but I can't find it on

the sheet, does it have a more techy term?

How would I get checked for candida antibodies, is that an nptech job?

Ginseng, vit c and liquourice, I guess from a good health shop.

Thanks loads, much appreciated.

M

x

> Get some liquorice root and scald to make yourself some liquorice

tea. Buy

> Siberian Ginseng and take 2000mgs Vitamin C daily with your NAX.

[Guest guest]

Hi , sometime inability to increase dose can be due to Ferritan

being too low. May be worth checking. Also have you considered

nighttime dosing. There has been some discussion on it and the

benefits that some have had.

jennyfreeman

>

> Good afternoon people,

> I am after a little help if possible from you good folk. I can feel my

> health steadily going downhill again, waking up rough every morning,

> weakness, fatigue, anxiety, headache, difficutly controlling body

> temps, low mood, brain fog etc. Have had to sleep most of this

> weekend. :-(

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.gdx.uk.net/

Go here for the candida test . Your ferritin could well

benefit from some extra iron - and this just might be stopping your thyroid

hormone replacement from getting properly absorbed. It should be around 70 to

90 for you to function properly.

Luv - Sheila

Rhanks Sheila,

My ferritin was 50, so not too bad. I had loads of tests done by an

endo earlier in year, he said he would do vit d, but I can't find it on

the sheet, does it have a more techy term?

How would I get checked for candida antibodies, is that an nptech job?

Ginseng, vit c and liquourice, I guess from a good health shop.

Thanks loads, much appreciated.

M

x

> Get some liquorice root and scald to make yourself some liquorice

tea. Buy

> Siberian Ginseng and take 2000mgs Vitamin C daily with your NAX.

[Guest guest]

Thanks All,

for your concern and tips. I do believe, for a reason that I haven't

cracked as yet, that my body is not able to fully absorb the thryoid

support it needs. If I up the Armour, I get the over medicated

symptoms, and on the present one grain dose, hypo symptoms are rapidly

increasing again. So either way things aren't right.

I have tried night time dosing, it doesn't appear to have made any

difference. As from yesterday I've gone back to splitting the dose

twice per day, little and often approach.

I think I do need to investigage the candida area, which, to date,

given everything else, I haven't got around to. Also, I agree, nax may

not be quite enough adrenal support. My asi earlier this year revealed

a sorry picture. But, I'm loathe to go onto anything stronger without

professional guidance. So, it's off to Dr P for me.

Thanks again all, you are a kind bunch.

M

xx

[Guest guest]

There is an alternative theory. Your other hormone levels are not

good. Apparently, hormones are not like rifle shots, but more like

shotgun blasts. They have effects besides the aim point. So, have

your other hormone levels been checked?

And then there are a myriad of enzymes that make the hormones work...

Have a great day,

>

> Thanks All,

> for your concern and tips. I do believe, for a reason that I

haven't

> cracked as yet, that my body is not able to fully absorb the

thryoid

> support it needs. If I up the Armour, I get the over medicated

> symptoms, and on the present one grain dose, hypo symptoms are

rapidly

> increasing again. So either way things aren't right.

> I have tried night time dosing, it doesn't appear to have made any

> difference. As from yesterday I've gone back to splitting the dose

> twice per day, little and often approach.

> I think I do need to investigage the candida area, which, to date,

> given everything else, I haven't got around to. Also, I agree, nax

may

> not be quite enough adrenal support. My asi earlier this year

revealed

> a sorry picture. But, I'm loathe to go onto anything stronger

without

> professional guidance. So, it's off to Dr P for me.

> Thanks again all, you are a kind bunch.

> M

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Poor you! I was in a very similar place until a few weeks ago

Have you tested for candida? Sheila's bicarb treatment helped me. I

also found liquorice and iron have helped as well as some Q10, DHEA and

high dose vit C (Dr P said 3000mg per day). Just to top it off I'm

using Serenity as well and that is certainly helping. Despite all of

that though, it was Dr P's recommendation that I start Cortef which

finally seems to have sorted me out. My temps have started coming up

and I'm feeling really well at last...although I think I'm rattling

with all the tablets!

Hope you get to see Dr P soon. He will get you right.

Take care

Pen x

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Have you considered all the other things that affect the thyroid- see website- such as candida, adrenals, low iron etc also many folk in the Uk are short on Zinc ( take with copper) and selenium which help with the conversion of T4 to T3

> thyroid treatment > From: marylinda@...> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:57:23 +0000> Subject: Health going downhill again - any ideas?> > Good afternoon people,> I am after a little help if possible from you good folk. I can feel my > health steadily going downhill again, waking up rough every morning, > weakness, fatigue, anxiety, headache, difficutly controlling body > temps, low mood, brain fog etc. Have had to sleep most of this > weekend. :-(> Started taking morning temps a couple of days ago, just over 36.> Just to remind you I am undiagnosed due to bloods just being in range, > free t4 very low, and self treating with Armour and nax since the > summer. Up until the last week or three I was doing really well. Got up > to one grain per day very slowly, but haven't been able to increase > from there without feeling over medicated after a few days/week, tried > a few times now. I felt it could be adrenal, I guess, so have upped nax > to four per day now.> I am going to arrange to see Dr P soon, but do you have any tips until > such time, that I could try? > Thanks so much, hugely appreciated.> > xx> > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Well I am just getting my sex hormones checked to see if that is the

reason I cannot get optimised on thyroid and adrenal hormones.

I have heard that high progesterone (and I had this on saliva testing

a couple of years ago post-meno) can mimic cortisol and block adrenal

receptors.

Well if this is the case, then there would not be enough available

cortisol to escort thyroid into the cells and might explain why I

have a well over the range FT3 and no hyper symptoms i.e. it is

pooling and not getting into the cells because of high prog.

Enzymes?? Don't think I know about this area. I am looking into

problems with the mitochondria and taking D-Ribose and GABA to help

with that.

Mo

>

> There is an alternative theory. Your other hormone levels are not

> good. Apparently, hormones are not like rifle shots, but more like

> shotgun blasts. They have effects besides the aim point. So, have

> your other hormone levels been checked?

>

> And then there are a myriad of enzymes that make the hormones

work...

>

> Have a great day,

>

>

> >

> > Thanks All,

> > for your concern and tips. I do believe, for a reason that I

> haven't

> > cracked as yet, that my body is not able to fully absorb the

> thryoid

> > support it needs. If I up the Armour, I get the over medicated

> > symptoms, and on the present one grain dose, hypo symptoms are

> rapidly

> > increasing again. So either way things aren't right.

> > I have tried night time dosing, it doesn't appear to have made

any

> > difference. As from yesterday I've gone back to splitting the

dose

> > twice per day, little and often approach.

> > I think I do need to investigage the candida area, which, to

date,

> > given everything else, I haven't got around to. Also, I agree,

nax

> may

> > not be quite enough adrenal support. My asi earlier this year

> revealed

> > a sorry picture. But, I'm loathe to go onto anything stronger

> without

> > professional guidance. So, it's off to Dr P for me.

> > Thanks again all, you are a kind bunch.

> > M

> > xx

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What was your ASI like ?

Mo

> Good afternoon people,

> I am after a little help if possible from you good folk. I can feel

my

> health steadily going downhill again, waking up rough every

morning,

> weakness, fatigue, anxiety, headache, difficutly controlling body

> temps, low mood, brain fog etc. Have had to sleep most of this

> weekend. :-(

> Started taking morning temps a couple of days ago, just over 36.

> Just to remind you I am undiagnosed due to bloods just being in

range,

> free t4 very low, and self treating with Armour and nax since the

> summer. Up until the last week or three I was doing really well.

Got up

> to one grain per day very slowly, but haven't been able to increase

> from there without feeling over medicated after a few days/week,

tried

> a few times now. I felt it could be adrenal, I guess, so have upped

nax

> to four per day now.

> I am going to arrange to see Dr P soon, but do you have any tips

until

> such time, that I could try?

> Thanks so much, hugely appreciated.

>

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Pen,

Yep, I do need to test for candida, that's been suggested by a few of

you lovely people. Also, I think the other hormones may be part of the

bigger picture.

It's inspirational to read you're feeling brighter Pen, long may that

continue,thanks for your concern. I'm planning to see Dr P next month.

Night,

x

>

> Hi

> Poor you! I was in a very similar place until a few weeks ago

> Have you tested for candida?

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Ferritin on the low side at 50 (20-200)have started iron again tonight.

I have tried night dosing over the last few weeks, no real change for

me, so have gone back to twice daily dosing today, will take the iron

at night now.

I appreciate your concern.

Night

x

>

> Hi , sometime inability to increase dose can be due to Ferritan

> being too low. May be worth checking.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

All hormones checked earlier in year, Endo feedback was that overall

results including tft's indicate no treatment, unfortunately.

Am planning to see Dr P for an alternative look at the situation now.

Enjoy the day,

x

>

> There is an alternative theory. Your other hormone levels are not

> good. Apparently, hormones are not like rifle shots, but more like

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to read about your dog ,

I know how traumatic these events can be, they are part of the family

and as such, mean a full bereavement. We lost our 13year old Tom cat

last year - so upsetting! Take care won't you.

It could well be that I need more for the adrenal part of my health,

more than anything I think it is time to go for professional advice.

Having read how you've been treated today, you will understand there's

even less hope for somebody like me, who doesn't even have a diagnosed

condition, apparently!

Take care,

x

>

> Hi

> I am no expert but it may be that your adrenals need more support in

order to tollerate more Armour, maybe NAX isnt enough to help you raise

the armour.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Beginning that process now, have been treating adrenals for six months

almost with nax, ferritin on low side, not terrible though, so back on

iron. I think Candida needs a closer peep now.

I appreciate your concern,

Night,

x

>

>

> Hi ,

> Have you considered all the other things that affect the

thyroid- see website- such as candida, adrenals, low iron etc also many

folk in the Uk are short on Zinc ( take with copper) and selenium which

help with the conversion of T4 to T3

> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

Cortisol low and out of range 8am, even lower 12pm, into range at 4pm

and a bit above range at 12am, which reflects how I feel during the

day, then, and again at the moment. Been on nax since June.

DHEA was also erratic, I seem to remember above range, which I don't

understand, dhea at all, that is.

Thanks for your concern.

Night,

xx

> What was your ASI like ?

> Mo

[Edit Abbrev Mod]

[Guest guest]

It does like you you may need something stronger than NAE on the

basis of these labs.

Mo

>

> Hi Mo,

> Cortisol low and out of range 8am, even lower 12pm, into range at

4pm

> and a bit above range at 12am, which reflects how I feel during the

> day, then, and again at the moment. Been on nax since June.

> DHEA was also erratic, I seem to remember above range, which I don't

> understand, dhea at all, that is.

> Thanks for your concern.

> Night,

>

> xx

>

>

> > What was your ASI like ?

> > Mo

>

> [Edit Abbrev Mod]

>

[Guest guest]

I have to report that I have had to go back to day-time dosing

with my Armour. I started getting bad dreams, which upset me during the day,

and recently, every single night for a week, I was actually getting terrible

night-mares, once actually screaming and waking . I have no idea why this

is happening, I used to dream occasionally, but they were pleasant dreams, but

I cannot stand these nightmares. I have been back on daily dosing with Armour

for 5 days now, and had no more dreams or nightmares.

Very strange - and rather disappointing. I hope everybody else

is OK. is not getting nightmares, though he says he dreams more often

and is sticking with the night-time dosing.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks ,

Ferritin on the low side at 50 (20-200)have started iron again tonight.

I have tried night dosing over the last few weeks, no real change for

me, so have gone back to twice daily dosing today, will take the iron

at night now.

I appreciate your concern.

Night

x

>

[Guest guest]

I guess it's horses for courses, I too have not slept quite as well, suffered a bit of night anxiety too and woke up a bit hungover feeling.

Wishing you better sleep and more pleasant dreams.

x

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

I found that though it was fab at first, recently I keep waking

suddenly early in the morning feeling really anxious, and then felt

awfully tired all the next day, with a sort of strange headachey

feeling.

I am experimenting with dropping down the armour I take at night and

taking a portion of it first thing again. Will report back if it helps!

Leah x

At the

>

> I have to report that I have had to go back to day-time dosing with my

> Armour. I started getting bad dreams, which upset me during the day,

and

> recently, every single night for a week, I was actually getting

terrible

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Mo, I wasnt prepared for how much the loss of our dog would affect me, I knew the kids would be upset but I feel so awful too and my partner, he was such a larger than life character and such a presence in the house, we are infact mourning. I siad to him on Sunday before he went, dont do this to me, not now. Stil

From: <marylinda@...>Subject: Re: Health going downhill again - any ideas?thyroid treatment Date: Monday, 17 November, 2008, 9:49 PM

Sorry to read about your dog , I know how traumatic these events can be, they are part of the family and as such, mean a full bereavement. We lost our 13year old Tom cat last year - so upsetting! Take care won't you. It could well be that I need more for the adrenal part of my health, more than anything I think it is time to go for professional advice. Having read how you've been treated today, you will understand there's even less hope for somebody like me, who doesn't even have a diagnosed condition, apparently!Take care, x>> Hi> I am no expert but it may be that your adrenals need more support in order to tollerate more Armour, maybe NAX isnt enough to help you raise the armour.

[Guest guest]

Hi

My ferittin when checked was 51.something, cant remember,so very similar to yours, I was told it was fine, like you, what iron do you take, I have never taken it

Thanks , Beginning that process now, have been treating adrenals for six months almost with nax, ferritin on low side, not terrible though, so back on iron. I think Candida needs a closer peep now.I appreciate your concern,Night, x>> > Hi ,> Have you considered all the other things that affect the thyroid- see website- such as candida, adrenals, low iron etc also many folk in the Uk are short on Zinc ( take with copper) and selenium which help with the conversion of T4 to T3> http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 115454061/ direct/01/>

[Guest guest]

Very similar to mine , except mine were all under range apart from the midnight one which was slightly over range

Hi Mo,Cortisol low and out of range 8am, even lower 12pm, into range at 4pm and a bit above range at 12am, which reflects how I feel during the day, then, and again at the moment. Been on nax since June.DHEA was also erratic, I seem to remember above range, which I don't understand, dhea at all, that is.Thanks for your concern.Night,xx> What was your ASI like ?> Mo[Edit Abbrev Mod]

[Guest guest]

hi sheila; when you changed back to daytime dosing, did you have

to increase your armour back up to 3 grains? regards jane

>

> I have to report that I have had to go back to day-time dosing with

my

> Armour. I started getting bad dreams, which upset me during the

day, and

> recently, every single night for a week, I was actually getting

terrible

> night-mares, once actually screaming and waking . I have no

idea why

> this is happening, I used to dream occasionally, but they were

pleasant

> dreams, but I cannot stand these nightmares. I have been back on

daily

> dosing with Armour for 5 days now, and had no more dreams or

nightmares.

>

>

>

> Very strange - and rather disappointing. I hope everybody else is

OK.

> is not getting nightmares, though he says he dreams more often and

is

> sticking with the night-time dosing.

>

>

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> Thanks ,

> Ferritin on the low side at 50 (20-200)have started iron again

tonight.

> I have tried night dosing over the last few weeks, no real change

for

> me, so have gone back to twice daily dosing today, will take the

iron

> at night now.

> I appreciate your concern.

> Night

>

> x

> >

>