Re: Dr P chat

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> The switch between fight and flight is probably made by the

>amygdala, mainly because it is designed to react to immediate threat

>without (on occasion ) the intervention of the conscious thought

>processes. The brain also triggers the flight mode in a fast response

>that you cannot ignore. With lingering anxiety ~ half way between

>fight and flight ~ your adrenalin level stays too high and your

>cortisol begins to flag; by that time nor-adrenalin is also

>relativley high and awaiting orders.

I really appreciated this explanation Bob. Very helpful. Never thought

if it like this before. Thanks.

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as others have said sarah (and me to you privately), track your temps

and put them on a graph. it is really helping me.

my temps have stabilised and are rising and i am not taking any

thyroid. this shows me the adrenals are working better and better

(and i feel better and better).

so my conclusion is i dont need to add any thyroid at all because i

can see my thyroid is starting to work more efficiently. i wouldnt

know all this if i hadnt taken my temps and so would have added 1/2

grain and probably caused me to go backwards.

you have to be prepared to help yourself - no one else will do it for you.

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So to track my average temps I take it 3 times a day and find the average of the 3, yes I can do that, today so far they have been 36.5 this morn and just now 36.3, pulse 96 and 102 respectively which is too high. So while doning that do I continue with the meds, HC and thyroid or lay off them thats what I dont understand!!I am not resistant to doing this temp thing> > From: bob.m9uk

<Bob.m9uk@.. .>> Subject: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] Re: Dr P chat> thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) com> Date: Thursday, 18 September, 2008, 9:38 AM> > > > > > > Hi ,> > I'll have to give'em a good 'threshing' in a minute if you feel they're > ganging up on you :-)> > Bob> wot objects ter ladies ganging up on .> > > > > Well my temps arent yet stable and I was worried about being off the > thyroid for too long as it was, please dont gang up on me, this is hard>

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Im not asking or expecting anyone to do this for me, I know I have to do it myself, but it seems by adding the thyroid back has set me back so do I reduce it and carry on or stop it again this is whats confusing me, the heart incidents are quite scary and I am worried I will end up in hospital in a right state

as others have said sarah (and me to you privately), track your tempsand put them on a graph. it is really helping me.my temps have stabilised and are rising and i am not taking anythyroid. this shows me the adrenals are working better and better(and i feel better and better). so my conclusion is i dont need to add any thyroid at all because ican see my thyroid is starting to work more efficiently. i wouldntknow all this if i hadnt taken my temps and so would have added 1/2grain and probably caused me to go backwards.you have to be prepared to help yourself - no one else will do it for you.

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, nobody is trying to "gang up on you" - everybody is trying to help you in whatever way they can. You obviously need help and support, we are all here to give it to you. However, that does mean that we might have to repeat what you have probably forgotten, which is all too easy when under stress. Just little reminders of what you should be looking for should, and will help you enormously.

Luv - Sheila

Well my temps arent yet stable and I was worried about being off the thyroid for too long as it was, please dont gang up on me, this is hard enough as it is, you make me sound like an idiot and I am not

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The first thing you need to do is go to Dr Rind's site and read the

information about all of this.

He will tell you that you need to take your temps approx 3 hours

after rising, then again three hours after that and the last and

final time three hours after that. I think it helps if you decide on

a set time every day. I do noon, 3 pm and 3 pm.

Print out the graph and get your thermo to hand and you are ready to

rock .

When you read what Dr Rind says you will understand everything you

need to know. No sense in list members using limited energy supplies

by repeating what he is saying very clearly on his site.

After you have done that, feel free to ask if there is still anything

confusing.

Might learn a few things myself here as I am still getting to grips

with his system

Mo

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> So to track my average temps I take it 3 times a day and find the

average of the 3, yes I can do that, today so far they have been 36.5

this morn and just now 36.3, pulse 96 and 102 respectively which is

too high. So while doning that do I continue with the meds, HC and

thyroid or lay off them thats what I dont understand!!

> I am not resistant to doing this temp thing

>

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Dr Peatfield told you what to do yesterday?

Please have pity!

Mo

>

> Im not asking or expecting anyone to do this for me, I know I have

to do it myself, but it seems by adding the thyroid back has set me

back so do I reduce it and carry on or stop it again this is whats

confusing me, the heart incidents are quite scary and I am worried I

will end up in hospital in a right state

>

>

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Hi

You have to stop getting information in this particular case regarding whether or not you should stop thyroxine etc because you will only get yourself into yet further panic mode. You must remember that you are a patient of Dr Peatfield's. You spoke to him only yesterday and he told you to cut your thyroxione back down to 50. There is your answer, drop it down to 50mgs and see how you get on. Dr P is the person with the knowledge regarding your specific case.

Luv - Sheila

So because my adrenals arent yet stable am I right in thinking I need to increase the HC and stay off the thyroid meds yet again?

Or can I increase the HC and just keep on the lower dose of T4? Another set back I feel I have suffered, how many more before I get it right I wonder?

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>do I reduce it and carry on or stop it again this is whats

>confusing me, the heart incidents are quite scary and I am worried

>I will end up in hospital in a right state

Hi

Did the heart incidents start after you reintroduced and/or upped

your thyroid meds? Or had you already had them before? Sorry I can't

remember. I ask because usually when you have a problem it's helpful

to look back and see when it began, as a clue to what caused it and

what you can do to reverse it.

Sorry if I'm going over old ground. Do your best not to worry though

, this'll get sorted out. It's just that it's so scary in

between time I know. I remember when I had palps and funny things

going on in my chest area too. It wasn't nice but it did pass

eventually.

x

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He said stop it for a few days and restart at 50mcg which I am doing and am going back to morning dosing, night time dosing is for people who have stabalised on their thyroid meds for sometime, it was too early for me to change that to night time but again I didnt know and Dr P actually said it should be taken in the morning. I am just worried that my adrenals arent stabalised enough to accpet the T4 yet. The heart incidents and faster, uncomfortable pulse HAS to be from roo much T4 doesnt it?--- On Thu, 18/9/08, sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>

 Hi

You have to stop getting information in this particular case regarding whether or not you should stop thyroxine etc because you will only get yourself into yet further panic mode. You must remember that you are a patient of Dr Peatfield's.

Luv - Sheila

So because my adrenals arent yet stable am I right in thinking I need to increase the HC and stay off the thyroid meds yet again?

Or can I increase the HC and just keep on the lower dose of T4? Another set back I feel I have suffered, how many more before I get it right I wonder?

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He said stop it for a few days and restart at 50mcg which I am doing and am going back to morning dosing, night time dosing is for people who have stabalised on their thyroid meds for sometime, it was too early for me to change that to night time but again I didnt know and Dr P actually said it should be taken in the morning. I am just worried that my adrenals arent stabalised enough to accpet the T4 yet. The heart incidents and faster, uncomfortable pulse HAS to be from roo much T4 doesnt it?--- On Thu, 18/9/08, sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>

 Hi

You have to stop getting information in this particular case regarding whether or not you should stop thyroxine etc because you will only get yourself into yet further panic mode. You must remember that you are a patient of Dr Peatfield's.

Luv - Sheila

So because my adrenals arent yet stable am I right in thinking I need to increase the HC and stay off the thyroid meds yet again?

Or can I increase the HC and just keep on the lower dose of T4? Another set back I feel I have suffered, how many more before I get it right I wonder?

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The heart incident happened after increasing to 75 mcg for 9 days, I had previously been on 50mcg for a week but thought I could increase quicker than normal because I had been on 150mcg before the HC, I had also changed to night time dosing when I had always taken it in the mornings, am going back to morning dosing, it was more than palpitations, it was a fast thumping heart almost like a panic attack

>do I reduce it and carry on or stop it again this is whats >confusing me, the heart incidents are quite scary and I am worried >I will end up in hospital in a right stateHi Did the heart incidents start after you reintroduced and/or upped your thyroid meds? Or had you already had them before? Sorry I can't remember. x

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Dr Peatfield told you yesterday what to do - carry on taking your 20 mgs HC as you were, and drop your thyroxine back to 50 mcgs. Start to take your temperature and pulse three times a day and put these on a chart so you can see exactly where your temperature and pulse are when good things are happening, and where they are when not so good things are happening. This is the best indicator of what changes are happening. And , there will be changes for the better.

There must be tens of thousands, if not millions of people throughout the world who have need to replace the hormone their adrenal glands are not making and each and every one of them have to go through worrying whether what they are doing is right or wrong, but be assured , and you know this, you have the privilege of being under the care of one of the best doctors in this field in the UK. Listen to him, and not to others and this also applies to your Mum, who I am sure has your best interest at heart, but she does not know about the thyroid/adrenal connection and you must not suddenly now start to be swayed by what she says. I know this might sound hard, it's not meant to be, we only want you to stop stressing about what other people are saying, because it is so obvious, because of this, you are getting yourself into a situation you don't know where to turn.

Be guided by nobody else but Dr Peatfield - please ..

luv - Sheila

Im not asking or expecting anyone to do this for me, I know I have to do it myself, but it seems by adding the thyroid back has set me back so do I reduce it and carry on or stop it again this is whats confusing me, the heart incidents are quite scary and I am worried I will end up in hospital in a right state

as others have said sarah (and me to you privately), track your tempsand put them on a graph. it is really helping me.my temps have stabilised and are rising and i am not taking anythyroid. this shows me the adrenals are working better and better(and i feel better and better). so my conclusion is i dont need to add any thyroid at all because ican see my thyroid is starting to work more efficiently. i wouldntknow all this if i hadnt taken my temps and so would have added 1/2grain and probably caused me to go backwards.you have to be prepared to help yourself - no one else will do it for you.

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I know Sheila and mu Mum was only worried when I told her about my heart the other night, I have explained a lot to her about the thyroid and adrenals but she wont understand totally, I know she doesnt, I told her I had probably gone over the top with the thyroid meds and that would have caused that and she said dont you think thats dangerous?

When something happens like that and too much thyroid is the reason, how long does it take to reverse it? Is a few days off the meds and then going back on lower enough to sort it? Ive done my temps 3 times today and the average is 36.5, will print the graph off and start plotting it

 Dr Peatfield told you yesterday what to do - carry on taking your 20 mgs HC as you were, and drop your thyroxine back to 50 mcgs. Start to take your temperature and pulse three times a day and put these on a chart so you can see exactly where your temperature and pulse are when good things are happening, and where they are when not so good things are happening. This is the best indicator of what changes are happening. And , there will be changes for the better.

Be guided by nobody else but Dr Peatfield - please ..

luv - Sheila

Im not asking or expecting anyone to do this for me, I know I have to do it myself, but it seems by adding the thyroid back has set me back so do I reduce it and carry on or stop it again this is whats confusing me, the heart incidents are quite scary and I am worried I will end up in hospital in a right state

as others have said sarah (and me to you privately), track your tempsand put them on a graph. it is really helping me.my temps have stabilised and are rising and i am not taking anythyroid. this shows me the adrenals are working better and better(and i feel better and better). so my conclusion is i dont need to add any thyroid at all because ican see my thyroid is starting to work more efficiently. i wouldntknow all this if i hadnt taken my temps and so would have added 1/2grain and probably caused me to go backwards.you have to be prepared to help yourself - no one else will do it for you.

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Hi , Follow the good doctor's advice and do try to stop fussing- worry can increase the heart rate too! thyroid treatment From: xxsarahxx_40@...Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:26:49 +0000Subject: Re: Re: Dr P chatHe said stop it for a few days and restart at 50mcg which I am doing and am going back to morning dosing, night time dosing is for people who have stabalised on their thyroid meds for sometime, it was too early for me to change that to night time but again I didnt know and Dr P actually said it should be taken in the morning. I am just worried that my adrenals arent stabalised enough to accpet the T4 yet. The heart incidents and faster, uncomfortable pulse HAS to be from roo much T4 doesnt it?--- On Thu, 18/9/08, sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>  Hi You have to stop getting information in this particular case regarding whether or not you should stop thyroxine etc because you will only get yourself into yet further panic mode. You must remember that you are a patient of Dr Peatfield's. Luv - SheilaSo because my adrenals arent yet stable am I right in thinking I need to increase the HC and stay off the thyroid meds yet again?Or can I increase the HC and just keep on the lower dose of T4? Another set back I feel I have suffered, how many more before I get it right I wonder? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1677 - Release Date: 17/09/2008 17:07 Try Facebook in Windows Live Messenger! Try it Now!

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> Hi Bob

> The morning dose of 10mg HC doesnt do much, If actually anything, I

dont 'feel' anything from it really, by lunchtime I am shaky, anxious

etc, I take another 5mg and that probably has some effect for a few

hours but def not 4-5 hrs, e.g I took 5mg at 12.45 today and when I

left work at 2.30 I felt all the anxious feelings again, my heart

went faster, pulse faster and I felt sick, now this could be the

excess T4 and nothing at all to do with the effectiveness of the HC,

with hindsight I maybe should have been on 20mg of HC for a full 2

weeks with no T4 and slowly added it back in when the adrenals might

have coped better

>

, there is also the possibility that you might do better on a

longer lasting steroid that you just take once a day. This stops the

ups and downs some of us get on h/c. It might be worth discussing

this with Dr P sometime.

I have real problems with h/c I literally feel the energy running out

of my legs as the h/c disappears within 3 hours. Pred only has to be

taken once daily on waking and I don't get the feeling of it running

out. I add a bit of extra h/c in the afternoon if necessary.

Please don't think this means h/c isn't doing you any good, I am sure

it is but some people do better on a once daily schedule and I

believe Dr P writes about this in his book. He was quite happy for

me to take Prednisolone.

Pam

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Not really something I want to mess with, all these different steriods, sorry but thanks, pred is a pretty strong steriod and if I can get by with HC i will give it a bit longer, it may be I just need a bit more at each dose

>> Hi Bob> The morning dose of 10mg HC doesnt do much, If actually anything, I dont 'feel' anything from it really, by lunchtime I am shaky, anxious etc, I take another 5mg and that probably has some effect for a few hours but def not 4-5 hrs, e.g I took 5mg at 12.45 today and when I left work at 2.30 I felt all the anxious feelings again, my heart went faster, pulse faster and I felt sick, now this could be the excess T4 and nothing at all to do with the effectiveness of the HC, with hindsight I maybe should have been on 20mg of HC for a full 2 weeks with no T4 and slowly added it back in when the adrenals might have coped better> , there is also the possibility that you might do better on a

longer lasting steroid that you just take once a day. This stops the ups and downs some of us get on h/c. It might be worth discussing this with Dr P sometime.Pam