Re: hyper symptoms on T3/ T4

December 8, 2008

Hi

Why

did you swap Armour for synthetic T4/T3 combination? Obviously, the 20 mcgs T3

was too much for you. This could have happened because your adrenals are in

need of some supplementation. have you had the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile

done, if not, it might be a good idea to find out where your cortisol and DHEA

are at four times during the day. Other causes that could be stopping your

thyroid hormones from working properly could be caused through a low ferritin

level (stored iron), low vitamin D, low vitamin B12 or systemic candidiasis. If

any of these are the cause, once treated, you will be able to absorb the

thyroid hormone replacement better.

Read

the information about the thyroid/adrenal connection in our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk by clicking

'Hypothyroidism' and then clicking 'Associated Conditions' - and then click on

'Adrenals' - but read all the other information there.

Luv -

Sheila

What should I do now? I am afraid of starting back on the T3 until my

pulse gets back to normal levels. Or maybe I shouldn't be taking T3.

I also take 20mg of HC daily.

Any ideas/ comments?

Thanks

December 8, 2008

Thanks for your message Sheila,

I tried armour for 4 months and noticed no improvement on T4-only.

After talking with my GP we thought it might be a good idea to do a

trial of T4/T3. That was the motivation behind switching.

I did do a saliva test for DHEA and Cortisol and have been

supplmenting 20mcg of HC and 25mcg DHEA daily.

As regards the other possible problems, I did follow the candida diet

for 3 months and noticed no difference in fatigue/ poor immune system

symptoms that I was feeling.

I also got my ferritin levels checked, but maybe I could get them

checked again. I will look into vitamin d.

December 8, 2008

- have you considered you might not be getting the benefit you need from your

thyroid hormone replacement because you need to increase your HC. 20mgs is a

small dose. Try an increase and see how you get on. Also, it is important that

you take your HC in spit doses, usually the largest amount in the morning with

breakfast and smaller amounts during the day. Being on too low a dose of HC

might be causing you your problems.

What

do other users of HC feel about this?

luv -

Sheila

I did do a saliva test for DHEA and Cortisol and have been

supplmenting 20mcg of HC and 25mcg DHEA daily.

December 8, 2008

I have considered that I may be on too low a dose of HC. I have used

Dr Rind's temperature chart and measured my average daily

temperatures. They are very stable which would indicate I don't need

any more HC. From what I can gather, a variation of more than .1

indicates too little HC. Apart from this test I don't know of any way

of checking HC whilst on HC.

I know you say 20mcg is a small dose. Durant Peatfield in his book

advocates the occasional use of higher doses. However, there are many

other doctors out there who don't go above 15mcg. It really is a

matter of opinion. My GP certainly wouldn't go higher than 20mcg.

It is a difficult call

I hope you are well yourself,

paul

ps - i already multidose (4 x 5mcg HC daily)

>

> - have you considered you might not be getting the benefit you need

> from your thyroid hormone replacement because you need to increase

your HC.

> 20mgs is a small dose. Try an increase and see how you get on. Also,

it is

> important that you take your HC in spit doses, usually the largest

amount in

> the morning with breakfast and smaller amounts during the day. Being

on too

> low a dose of HC might be causing you your problems.

>

> What do other users of HC feel about this?

>

> luv - Sheila

>

> I did do a saliva test for DHEA and Cortisol and have been

> supplmenting 20mcg of HC and 25mcg DHEA daily.

>

December 8, 2008

I think if your temps are stable and I mean totally stable that is a very good indication that your adrenals are supported and you are on enough HC, that is the only way I can judge that I am on enough, I dont feel HC run out like other people do, I dont get any signs that I need more, so all I can go on is the temps. They need to be stable for at least 5 days before you increase thyroid. If you measure is celcius you can have a .2 difference in daily averages but if you measure in Farhenheit its .1 of a degree, my temps are stable but never seem to rise, so I can conclude the thyroid isnt there yet.

I have considered that I may be on too low a dose of HC. I have usedDr Rind's temperature chart and measured my average dailytemperatures. They are very stable which would indicate I don't needany more HC. From what I can gather, a variation of more than .1indicates too little HC. Apart from this test I don't know of any wayof checking HC whilst on HC.I know you say 20mcg is a small dose. Durant Peatfield in his bookadvocates the occasional use of higher doses. However, there are manyother doctors out there who don't go above 15mcg. It really is amatter of opinion. My GP certainly wouldn't go higher than 20mcg.It is a difficult callI hope you are well yourself,paul

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December 8, 2008

I

am very well thank you . Under the circumstances, I think you should

telephone Dr P and ask his advice regarding the HC.

Luv -

Sheila

I know you say 20mcg is a small dose. Durant Peatfield in his book

advocates the occasional use of higher doses. However, there are many

other doctors out there who don't go above 15mcg. It really is a

matter of opinion. My GP certainly wouldn't go higher than 20mcg.

It is a difficult call

ps - i already multidose (4 x 5mcg HC daily)

December 8, 2008

I would perhaps question that dosing schedule, our natural rhythm is

higher early in the day and then tapers down, maybe you would benefit

from adjusting it? Maybe 7.5, 5, 5 and 2.5 ?

Mo

>

> I am very well thank you . Under the circumstances, I think you

should

> telephone Dr P and ask his advice regarding the HC.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> I know you say 20mcg is a small dose. Durant Peatfield in his book

> advocates the occasional use of higher doses. However, there are many

> other doctors out there who don't go above 15mcg. It really is a

> matter of opinion. My GP certainly wouldn't go higher than 20mcg.

> It is a difficult call

>

> ps - i already multidose (4 x 5mcg HC daily)

>

December 9, 2008

Thanks all for suggestions and comments.

I might try to dose 7.5 in the morning instead of 5. Maybe that might

help.

Next week I will re-check my temperatures to see if they are still stable.

December 9, 2008

Hi ,

Just to complicate matters, I agree that T3 in sudden starting or dose

increases is notorious for speeding up the heart, but the problem may be the T4

( it’s no use if you can’t convert or have resistance) I was

perfectly fine, but ran out of Armour and replaced with a carefully calculated

T4/T3 combo. I felt really weird! Very ‘whizzy’

in the head and racing heart and could not think clearly- my Oh had to gently

shepherd me to my next specialist appt- who promptly put me back to Armour- my

head cleared in a couple of days.

Subject: RE:

hyper symptoms on T3/ T4