Re: Latest Picture of Dawn!!!

[Guest guest]

Just seen your recent piccie and you look so much better than

> you did before on past pictures, your face looks slimmer as well.

Hi Steph

thanks hun, glad to see you online:) Hope you are running faster than

your puter hehe. Lovely to hear from you again.

I thought I would upload as part of my ongoing 'gallery story' of

'getting better', hoping it might encourage some who are just starting

out on new treatments too. I was feeling a lot brighter which in

itself is a flamin miracle . I actually WENT FOR A WALK yayyyyyy

today to the shop without my disability buggy. It wasn't a breeze but

I did it and that is the main thing, another flamin miracle .

I am always a bit reluctant to get too excited as I have had setbacks

before. But the picture will also encourage me if I have a bad week or

so.

How are you Steph? Getting better I hope?

Onwards and upwards to all

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Great that you had " the walk " today, I bet you felt you had been let

out if you catch my drift, especialy without your wheels!! Brilliant!

Thanks for asking how I'm doing. Short version is nutri thyroid was

not working for me (side effects) managed to get T3 from endo,

shock!! Made me feel well initialy but bad side effects even on one

quarter of a tablet. Dr P advised to change from NAX to nutri

adrenal and then up T4 slightly after ten days support. Will be

trying that as soon as tablets arrive. Cross everything you are able

to cross for me,ha ha!

Fell at work last week and now am the owner of spectacular bruising

on my shoulder. Very sore!! Could wear a navy jumper with a hole in

the top of the sleeve you would'nt be able to tell!

Sure we will all get there in the end with help from each other and

Dr P and Sheila of course.

Stephie

xx

In thyroid treatment , " blondiethefirstuk "

<whitbywitchuk@...> wrote:

>

> I was feeling a lot brighter which in

> itself is a flamin miracle . I actually WENT FOR A WALK yayyyyyy

> today to the shop without my disability buggy. It wasn't a breeze

but

> I did it and that is the main thing, another flamin miracle .

>

> >

> How are you Steph? Getting better I hope?

>

> Onwards and upwards to all

>

> lotsa luv

> Dawnx

>

[Guest guest]

I am so pleased for you Dawn - onwards and upwards

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lillian

and Steph

Woah, and endo trying to make you well with T3 I am a little in shock

but good on him:) Such a shame it didn't agree with you, possibly

adrenal? I am crossing everything that I have for you that the

treatment from Dr P works, in fact it will be a little difficult for

me as I will be seeing double all the time in the meantime *wink. I

will send you a blue jumper with a hole in the shoulder just to make

the best of a bad situation.

Serously though hon, ouch, I feel for you that must have been really

bad to cause such bad bruising. Arnica darling, good stuff for

bruising inside and outside, need to look after that shoulder, such

stress is bad.

''Sure we will all get there in the end with help from each other and

> Dr P and Sheila of course.''

Amen to that hon.

Felt like I had been let out hon yes lol, but not 'free' yet, has

someone to be someone there to hang on to occasionally lol. Still a

ways to go. But I am going in that free direction

lotsa luv and God bless

Dawnx

>

> Hi Dawn,

> Great that you had " the walk " today, I bet you felt you had been let

> out if you catch my drift, especialy without your wheels!! Brilliant!

>

[Guest guest]

Your

T3 probably didn't work because of the poor state of your adrenals Stephie.

Once you get them boosted, you may want to try the T3 again, only start

VERY slowly with a very low dose and gradually build this up. Sorry to hear

about your fall and your horrible bruising and I hope it is not too painful for

you.

luv -

Sheila

Thanks for asking how I'm doing. Short version is nutri thyroid was

not working for me (side effects) managed to get T3 from endo,

shock!! Made me feel well initialy but bad side effects even on one

quarter of a tablet. Dr P advised to change from NAX to nutri

adrenal and then up T4 slightly after ten days support. Will be

trying that as soon as tablets arrive. Cross everything you are able

to cross for me,ha ha!

[Guest guest]

I am getting very confused as to who is improving and who is not. I thought I read that it was you Dawn who was improving. Now I think it must have been someone else. I am getting so confused. Sorry if I wrote the wrong thing to the wrong person

To the person who fell down, I cannot remember how it happened, but when I was at my worst with hypoT I kept falling downstairs for no apparent reason.

Lilian

I am so pleased for you Dawn - onwards and upwards

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian,

I'm sorry you had to experience falling downstairs. It's what alerted

me to the same problems my DW had. We didn't know at the time but the

hypoT causes (too ) low blood pressure on rising from either sitting

or lying down. It took several more years before she got a diagnosis,

during whch time I worked from a home base doing part-time and

temporary work.

Back in the old days ladies would faint from corsets drawn too tight;

likewise, there would be some who had undetected hypothyroidism.

Books written during the 18th & 19th Centuries would have remarked

upon the need to 'take the waters' eg Epsom, where Epsom salt

(magnesium sulphate) was found in the local water supply. Such a

popular watering hole, that the almost entire mobile society from

London would decamp to Epsom for racing events, and the likes, on the

Downs. How usefull to have the the railways.

I recall, as kid, crossing the rickety foot bridge over the Thames

alongside Waterloo station for access to the 'Festival of Britain' in

1951, and was horrified by the sight of the waters rushing past (the

foot-bridge was planks across the decking so that you could see the

water through the cracks between the deck ~ scary to a kid ) as the

Thames tide flooded in/out.

The rail bridge must have been impressive in those early days as one

of the 'wonders of the world' just after its completion...

It makes you wonder if the local breweries in the Epsom area had the

same sort of motivation to use their local supply of water for

brewing as did the brewers in Burton-on-Trent (where the magnesium

content of the beer makes it possible to drink without the added risk

of causing palpitations from the induced low serum magnesium content

after consuming several pints of beer.

Oliver (the actor) famously died on a binge.

The same problem affects those who incautiously use Ecstacy and drink

too much tap-water without electrolyte replacements.

Hypothyroidism affects the disposition of magnesium as between the

cells and the extra-cellular fluid/serum.

Diabetes Insipidus can cause similar problems if fluid is replaced

without adding in sufficient of the necessary electrolyte mix.

.....and for very young children with sickness and diarrhoea, arising

from such 'simple' childhood viral/bacterial infections, those risks

can be rapidly fatal.

A question to your doctor: how does s/he assess magnesium status?

best wishes

Bob

>

> I am getting very confused as to who is improving and who is

not. I thought I read that it was you Dawn who was improving.

Now I think it must have been someone else. I am getting so

confused. Sorry if I wrote the wrong thing to the wrong person

>

> To the person who fell down, I cannot remember how it happened, but

when I was at my worst with hypoT I kept falling downstairs for no

apparent reason.

>

> Lilian

>

> I am so pleased for you Dawn - onwards and upwards

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks for the message. I feel proper dopey, I have only just

realised that because a tablet will not suit me now does not mean it

will not in the future.

To think back in March I said the paper test on the system did not

show I had adrenal fatigue or at the least only very mild fatigue.

I must have been telling lies when I filled it in!!

As for the fall, just shows how bad my adrenals are I sat and cried

on the garage floor after (lots of chaps to help me, making me laugh

despite all) TOOK ME AGES to stop feeling shook up.

Luv Stephie

>

> Your T3 probably didn't work because of the poor state of your

adrenals

> Stephie. Once you get them boosted, you may want to try the T3

again, only

> start VERY slowly with a very low dose and gradually build this

up. Sorry

> to hear about your fall and your horrible bruising and I hope it

is not too

> painful for you.

>

>

>

> luv - Sheila

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian,

It was me Stephie who fell, one minute I was there and the next I was

arguing with a gritter and coming off worst. My ankle went over on a

ledge in the garage and my shoulder hot the spreader at the back of

the vehicle. Luckily it is covered in plastic or it could have been a

whole lot worse.

It is true what you say about falling though, I can't seem to help it

or recover myself from a small trip as I would have been able to

before.

Keep Well, Luv Stephie

> To the person who fell down, I cannot remember how it happened, but

when I was at my worst with hypoT I kept falling downstairs for no

apparent reason.

>

> Lilian

>

> I am so pleased for you Dawn - onwards and upwards

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

The falls kept happening when I got very bad, just before it was the last straw and I went to see the private doctor who prescribed T3 (6 years ago). I didn't know then that it had anything to do with hypoT. It happened more than once but as it stopped completely when taking the T3 I could only come to the conclusion it was probably all part of the hypo.

Lilian

[Guest guest]

> Yes it was me who posted a pic hon and Steph said I looked much

>better.

Hi Dawn, I agree with Steph! What an improvement that latest photo

shows. Can't wait for the next one! You're such an inspiration to us

all, the way you hang on in there and don't give up, that it will be

great to see further improvements captured on film. We'll all be so

happy for you.

x

[Guest guest]

''It happened more than once but as it stopped completely when taking

the T3 I could only come to the conclusion it was probably all part of

the hypo.''

Well it certainly sounds like it with a result like that hon, thank

God eh? Please take the T3 hon if it does so much good for you, you

cannot be doing with that starting again. Drs bury their mistakes

grrrrrr .

, thanks hon, its all down to the forum and wonderful friends

keeping me going with support, honestly, I don't know where I would be

without my online friends, and my family of course who have literally

carried me about in the past. Its a funny sight seeing a big 'ol women

being carried between two fellas up the main street of Whitby to get

her home lol.

I have never known such wonderful people, it is a privelege, I haven't

found anyone on here that hasn't tried to help. With where to get my

pills and helping me, (you know who you are), book lending, advice,

motivation and geeing me up when I am low, people who phoned me,

someone who got me medical advice, all wonderful.

Just must say, Shiela works so hard for us keeping this forum together

and researching and campagning, I hope when treatment finally gets

better in the NHS Shiela gets famous for her campagning and advice

work and all those who have helped her in any way and not abandoned

it, that would be awesome. How many years you been working at this

Shiela?

God bless and lotsa luv n hugs to all

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Dawn, you do look better!! And I think one of the reaspons why is you

seem to have lost the dark shadows under your eyes (isn't that an

adrenal thing??) Hope your are feeling much better too...

Leah x

>

> Hi Dawn, Just seen your recent piccie and you look so much better

than

> you did before on past pictures, your face looks slimmer as well. I

> was meaning to email you when you put about feeling anxious and

> posting a lot, I love to read your emails. My computer was playing

> up " coal driven was the term you once used,( made me laugh) so better

> late than never with this message. Keep going with the treatment you

> are brave.

>

> Luv Stephie

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, you do look so much better Dawn, almost fresh faced, if you see what I mean, keep up the good work! And try to sort that body clock out lol!

Dawn, you do look better!! And I think one of the reaspons why is you seem to have lost the dark shadows under your eyes (isn't that an adrenal thing??) Hope your are feeling much better too...Leah x>> Hi Dawn, Just seen your recent piccie and you look so much better than > you did before on past pictures, your face looks slimmer as well. I > was meaning to email you when you put about feeling anxious and > posting a lot, I love to read your emails. My computer was playing > up "coal driven was the term you once used,( made me laugh) so better > late than never with this message. Keep going with the treatment you > are brave. > > Luv

Stephie>

[Guest guest]

LOL yeah, panda eyes, I've had them on and off over the years,

horrible dead look. They come worse the deader I feel, I think they

modelled the 'Thriller' video zombies on my look .

Cheers midears, nice to know looking better to others too and not just

wishful thinking .

luv to all, and lets try and stay on our feet, I am layin off the gin

so no boozin ok? *wink.

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Aaagh sorry Dawn, just re-read my hasty post, and I hope it didn't

sound mean about your eyes!!! I was trying to say you looked good and

that I thought it was the HC, but it may have come out wrong...

Luv ya really,

Leah x

PS I seem to be able to stay on my feet nowadays, though this week I

keep blooming burning meself...

>

> LOL yeah, panda eyes, I've had them on and off over the years,

> horrible dead look. They come worse the deader I feel, I think they

> modelled the 'Thriller' video zombies on my look .

> Cheers midears, nice to know looking better to others too and not just

> wishful thinking .

> luv to all, and lets try and stay on our feet, I am layin off the gin

> so no boozin ok? *wink.

>

> Dawnx

>

[Guest guest]

hehe Don't worry, I didn't take it badly, it is a fact, I have/had

dark circles I didn't think of it as an insult hon honestly lol, don't

worry really . I know when I have them that they aren't my fault

they are cos I is ill . LOL don't feel bad, I honestly didn't I

luv ya too x

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

An Indian lady that I worked with some time back said her doctor had

attributed the dark circles under the eyes to low calcium; I wonder if

that's it?

Cortisol is a steroid and will do (m)any of the things that steroids do.

.....and works with vit D too.

The receptors for many of the steroids will form dimers etc and will

activate the transcription process (for mRNA) as either homodimers (the

same receptor types) or as heterodimers (two different receptor types)

I'd guess that your vit D level is in the 'pits' just now, and your

hydrocortisone is picking up the slack. If that's most of why

hydrococrtisone is 'working' for so many people with thyroid problems,

then they need to seriously rethink both diagnosis and treatment,

starting with the reference ranges for each of the tested

hormone/steroid levels ~ and the article Sheila just pointed to (on

Cortisol) showing the current 'quick' (flawed?) lab test methods

overestimate the steroid level compared to Gas Chromtography, GC/MS,

High Pressure Liquid Chromatography etc.

As they say 'when you're in hole, stop digging' but the Gods don't work

like that, do they?

They're current digging us all into the same 'pit' ~ and that's usually

reckoned to be a criminal act.

Just like withdrawing NHS support for Alzheimers Disease.

best wishes

Bob

I like the 'new look' piccy too

>

> hehe Don't worry, I didn't take it badly, it is a fact, I have/had

> dark circles I didn't think of it as an insult hon honestly lol, don't

> worry really . I know when I have them that they aren't my fault

> they are cos I is ill . LOL don't feel bad, I honestly didn't I

> luv ya too x

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,Dawn

This is very true, it happened to me when my thyroxine dose was cut

and my calcium levels dropped too.

Chris

>

> Hi Dawn,

>

> An Indian lady that I worked with some time back said her doctor had

> attributed the dark circles under the eyes to low calcium; I wonder

if

> that's it?

>

[Guest guest]

Hiya Bob hon

I have been taking osteocare for a while but they aren't overly strong

but daren't go too mad lol. I also started taking vit D3 before I

started on armour, I was told by a private doc who I emailed to take

4000ug a day but I have only been taking 1000. Maybe I am too cautious

with it for my own good?

Someone else emailed me a couple of weeks ago strangely enough and

said I may be calcium deficient because of my hip problem, I wasn't

sure what to think. I never knew it caused dark circles, thanks for

letting me know that Bob hon. I wonder if I should be taking 2

osteocare a day and 4000 D now hmmm what to do. I am too darn cowardly

to take the LIST of tests I need to the doc nowadays. I hate being

cowardly, but this is how I have become nowadays.

lotsa luv and cheers

Dawnx