Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 If it is enough for you to notice Miriam, it is enough for us to celebrate this landmark event with you as we know it is a sign that you will continue to improve and those 18 years are now behind you.... jennyfreeman > > I have noticed some improvement in my sleep. I am less hungry and > don't need to eat something at 10 pm. Also I am not waking at 3 am > and having to eat something. Perhaps this is an improvement in my > blood sugar levels? > > I know this change doesn't sound very dramatic, but I am pleased to > have some improvements as my sleep has been poor for the last 18 years. > > Miriam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 This week I lost all that improvement and have been awake for hours in the middle of the night again. :-( Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr P yesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 day break from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just a coincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a break from the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just keep using it straight through as it is more important for me to have better sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break. I hope this is useful to some of you out there! Miriam > > I have noticed some improvement in my sleep. I am less hungry and > don't need to eat something at 10 pm. Also I am not waking at 3 am > and having to eat something. Perhaps this is an improvement in my > blood sugar levels? > > I know this change doesn't sound very dramatic, but I am pleased to > have some improvements as my sleep has been poor for the last 18 years. > > Miriam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Hi Miriam, that's very useful to me so thanks a lot for posting. Ive been having poor sleep on and off and have been thinking there is a connection with the progesterone cream so you have helped me to know this is a possibility. I will take it continuously for a while now. Be pleased to hear from anyone else about this. My sleep has been just not being able to switch to sleep - not worrying or anything just that I dont go to sleep! Sometimes I have also had really awful sensations - similar to when you jump and feel that you are falling, but I dont jump and just feel as though Ive been woken suddenly and my heart is racing, usually happens as Im just about to fall asleep! Anyone had anything similar? Gill Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr Pyesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 daybreak from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just acoincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a breakfrom the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just keepusing it straight through as it is more important for me to havebetter sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break.I hope this is useful to some of you out there > From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods .. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 It turns out I have a problem converting T4 to T3, so have been moving from low thyroid symptoms to T4 toxicity symptoms without feeling any benefit in between. I have ordered some Cytomel (T3) to start taking in conjunction with the Armour. In retrospect, I think I've had these toxicity symptoms for about a month, but I didn't recognize them until they became pretty bad because feeling shaky and having palpitations is normal for me anyway! So I've decided to have a few days off to help clear the backlog, then resume at the dose of Armour I was having at the end of October. What causes conversion problems? I seem to remember it is an imbalance of sex hormones, and low adrenals. I am dealing with both those problems, though it will take time. Is there anything else? Thanks, Miriam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I know I have mentioned this before Gill, but I think you need to treat your adrenals, even though you originally thought these were not a problem. You could also try taking your thyroid medication when you go to bed as many are reporting sleeping better and feeling better throughout the day. You don't have the craving for T3 to give you energy amazingly enough. I tried it for a few weeks, but had to stop because I was started to have nightmares, but I slept really well and felt brilliant throughout the day. Once I went back to day-time split dosing, I seemed to go downhill and have this week started taking all my Armour and 25mcgs T4 at night again, and so far, everything is fine. You need the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile to see where your cortisol and DHEA levels are at specific times during the day. It will be interesting to see where these are at midnight. Luv - Sheila Be pleased to hear from anyone else about this. My sleep has been just not being able to switch to sleep - not worrying or anything just that I dont go to sleep! Sometimes I have also had really awful sensations - similar to when you jump and feel that you are falling, but I dont jump and just feel as though Ive been woken suddenly and my heart is racing, usually happens as Im just about to fall asleep! Anyone had anything similar? Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 HI Miriam Other problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal reserve, systemic candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D etc. You should get these checked to see whether any of these could be the cause, because any one of them will stop your body from absorbing any thyroid hormone replacement and would cause you the toxic symptoms you mention. See 'Associated Conditions' on our website under 'Hypothyroidism'. If you want to know what causes conversion problems, read my rebuttal to the BTA's statements on Armour and synthetic T4/T3 combination therapy which you will find in the FILES of this forum. Luv - Sheila What causes conversion problems? I seem to remember it is an imbalance of sex hormones, and low adrenals. I am dealing with both those problems, though it will take time. Is there anything else? Thanks, Miriam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 I used to get depressed when having a few days break from progesterone cream, so have not had a break for years now, and use it twice a day. I am post meno. Val This week I lost all that improvement and have been awake for hours inthe middle of the night again. Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr Pyesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 daybreak from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just acoincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a breakfrom the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just keepusing it straight through as it is more important for me to havebetter sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break.Miriam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Ive been woken suddenly and my heart is racing, usually happens as Im just about to fall asleep! Anyone had anything similar? Oh heck yeah wake up 3 or 4 times sometimes, I gasp with a kind of shock then realise what is happening, think oh blimey with my heart racing, then try to go off again. Not pleasant at all is it? I think it is adrenalin rushes. Thing is it doesn't happen every single night. Mostly when I am extra wiped out, which is quite often I admit. So you are not alone hon. lotsa luv Dawnx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Hi Gill, What happens when you add in a small amount of magnesium? Bob > > Hi Dawn - its really upsetting isnt it - its made me scared of going back to sleep. It doesnt happen for me every night either but its just as you describe it. I dont think its adrenalin rushes - I think it might be palpitations though, or just related to hypoT and hormone imbalance. I did ask a GP I know who said it might be palpitations or the sort of heart arrhythmia that everyone has at times (?!), be a variation on the feeling like falling sleep jumping (hypnic jerks or myoclonic jerks) or be related to hypoT or the thyroid meds. Didnt really help though, but thankfully its happening less at the moment and I think could be related to progesterone as Miriam has suggested so I will keep on it without a break for a while and see what happens. > Interesting that if I do have alcohol then it doesnt happen! > thanks Dawn and hope yours settle soon, > Gill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Thanks, Sheila. All the other factors seem to be OK. It looks like it is just a matter of waiting until the sex hormone are properly balanced. Miriam > Other problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal reserve, systemic candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D etc. You should get these checked to see whether any of these could be the cause, because any one of them will stop your body from absorbing any thyroid hormone replacement and would cause you the toxic symptoms you mention. See 'Associated Conditions' on our website under 'Hypothyroidism'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Supposing I take a few days off Armour to reduce the T4 which is causing toxicity. Can I just resume at my usual dose after that? Can I take a week off to let things calm down or is that too long? Thanks, Miriam > Other problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal reserve, systemic candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D etc. > Luv - Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 It wouldn't hurt to stop for a few days Miriam and then start again, but start at a lower dose and again, build up gradually. Luv - Sheila Supposing I take a few days off Armour to reduce the T4 which is causing toxicity. Can I just resume at my usual dose after that? Can I take a week off to let things calm down or is that too long? Thanks, Miriam _,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Thanks very much Sheila. > It wouldn't hurt to stop for a few days Miriam and then start again, but start at a lower dose and again, build up gradually. > Luv - Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 In case anyone is wondering - yes, my sleep has improved again on resuming the progesterone cream, though it has taken a few days. So that is good news. :-) Miriam > Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr P > yesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 day > break from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just a > coincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a break > from the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just keep using it straight through as it is more important for me to have > better sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I went to my GP today to see whether I had had all these things checked recently, but didn't get very far. I had my ferritin checked 6 months ago and that was 82 which she said was good. My B12 has previously been OK and she said the most recent blood test didn't show any enlarged cells, so that must be OK too. She said they didn't check vitamin D levels. Obviously there is quite a lot of regional variation in the NHS because my brother's GP in London checked his vitamin D levels as part of a general check-up. I expect mine are OK as I take a good quality cod liver oil every day. I then asked about a blood test for sex hormone levels. She said they were pointless because there was so much variation in oestrogen from day to day. So much for blood tests being the " gold standard " as someone posted recently! She said she could prescribe HRT if my symptoms were bad enough, but wasn't keen to do so because of side-effects. I mentioned that I had heard you could get natural oestrogen on the NHS, but she didn't know anything about that. I said I'd had a saliva test which showed I was deficient in both progesterone and oestrogen. She didn't exactly rubbish the saliva test, but said she wondered what that was measuring, so I said it didn't measure the same thing as the blood test. Anyway, the long and the short of it is that you can get HRT on the basis of symptoms and not on the basis of a blood test; an interesting contrast with thyroid treatment, don't you think? So I thanked her and said I would see how I got on with the treatments I was trying for myself first and would come back if I decided to try the HRT. Miriam > Other problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal reserve, systemic candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D etc. You should get these checked to see whether any of these could be the cause, because any one of them will stop your body from absorbing any thyroid hormone replacement and would cause you the toxic symptoms you mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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