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If it is enough for you to notice Miriam, it is enough for us to

celebrate this landmark event with you as we know it is a sign that

you will continue to improve and those 18 years are now behind you....

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> I have noticed some improvement in my sleep. I am less hungry and

> don't need to eat something at 10 pm. Also I am not waking at 3 am

> and having to eat something. Perhaps this is an improvement in my

> blood sugar levels?

>

> I know this change doesn't sound very dramatic, but I am pleased to

> have some improvements as my sleep has been poor for the last 18 years.

>

> Miriam

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This week I lost all that improvement and have been awake for hours in

the middle of the night again. :-(

Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr P

yesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 day

break from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just a

coincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a break

from the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just keep

using it straight through as it is more important for me to have

better sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break.

I hope this is useful to some of you out there!

Miriam

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> I have noticed some improvement in my sleep. I am less hungry and

> don't need to eat something at 10 pm. Also I am not waking at 3 am

> and having to eat something. Perhaps this is an improvement in my

> blood sugar levels?

>

> I know this change doesn't sound very dramatic, but I am pleased to

> have some improvements as my sleep has been poor for the last 18 years.

>

> Miriam

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Hi Miriam, that's very useful to me so thanks a lot for posting. Ive been having poor sleep on and off and have been thinking there is a connection with the progesterone cream so you have helped me to know this is a possibility. I will take it continuously for a while now.

Be pleased to hear from anyone else about this. My sleep has been just not being able to switch to sleep - not worrying or anything just that I dont go to sleep! Sometimes I have also had really awful sensations - similar to when you jump and feel that you are falling, but I dont jump and just feel as though Ive been woken suddenly and my heart is racing, usually happens as Im just about to fall asleep! Anyone had anything similar?

Gill

Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr Pyesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 daybreak from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just acoincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a breakfrom the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just keepusing it straight through as it is more important for me to havebetter sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break.I hope this is useful to some of you out there >

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It turns out I have a problem converting T4 to T3, so have been moving

from low thyroid symptoms to T4 toxicity symptoms without feeling any

benefit in between. I have ordered some Cytomel (T3) to start taking

in conjunction with the Armour.

In retrospect, I think I've had these toxicity symptoms for about a

month, but I didn't recognize them until they became pretty bad

because feeling shaky and having palpitations is normal for me anyway!

So I've decided to have a few days off to help clear the backlog,

then resume at the dose of Armour I was having at the end of October.

What causes conversion problems? I seem to remember it is an

imbalance of sex hormones, and low adrenals. I am dealing with both

those problems, though it will take time. Is there anything else?

Thanks,

Miriam

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know I have mentioned this before Gill, but I think you need to treat your

adrenals, even though you originally thought these were not a problem. You

could also try taking your thyroid medication when you go to bed as many are

reporting sleeping better and feeling better throughout the day. You don't have

the craving for T3 to give you energy amazingly enough. I tried it for a few

weeks, but had to stop because I was started to have nightmares, but I slept

really well and felt brilliant throughout the day. Once I went back to day-time

split dosing, I seemed to go downhill and have this week started taking all my

Armour and 25mcgs T4 at night again, and so far, everything is fine.

You need the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile

to see where your cortisol and DHEA levels are at specific times during the

day. It will be interesting to see where these are at midnight.

Luv - Sheila

Be pleased to hear from anyone else about

this. My sleep has been just not being able to switch to sleep - not

worrying or anything just that I dont go to sleep! Sometimes I have also

had really awful sensations - similar to when you jump and feel that you are

falling, but I dont jump and just feel as though Ive been woken suddenly and my

heart is racing, usually happens as Im just about to fall asleep! Anyone had

anything similar?

Gill

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HI Miriam

Other

problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal reserve, systemic

candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D etc. You should get these

checked to see whether any of these could be the cause, because any one of them

will stop your body from absorbing any thyroid hormone replacement and would

cause you the toxic symptoms you mention. See 'Associated Conditions' on our

website under 'Hypothyroidism'.

If

you want to know what causes conversion problems, read my rebuttal to the BTA's

statements on Armour and synthetic T4/T3 combination therapy which you will

find in the FILES of this forum.

Luv -

Sheila

What causes conversion problems? I seem to remember it is an

imbalance of sex hormones, and low adrenals. I am dealing with both

those problems, though it will take time. Is there anything else?

Thanks,

Miriam

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I used to get depressed when having a few days break from progesterone cream, so have not had a break for years now, and use it twice a day. I am post meno.

Val

This week I lost all that improvement and have been awake for hours inthe middle of the night again. Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr Pyesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 daybreak from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just acoincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a breakfrom the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just keepusing it straight through as it is more important for me to havebetter sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break.Miriam

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Ive been woken suddenly and my heart is racing, usually happens as Im

just about to fall asleep! Anyone had anything similar?

Oh heck yeah

wake up 3 or 4 times sometimes, I gasp with a kind of shock then

realise what is happening, think oh blimey with my heart racing, then

try to go off again. Not pleasant at all is it? I think it is

adrenalin rushes. Thing is it doesn't happen every single night.

Mostly when I am extra wiped out, which is quite often I admit.

So you are not alone hon.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hi Gill,

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> Hi Dawn - its really upsetting isnt it - its made me scared of

going back to sleep. It doesnt happen for me every night either but

its just as you describe it. I dont think its adrenalin rushes - I

think it might be palpitations though, or just related to hypoT and

hormone imbalance. I did ask a GP I know who said it might be

palpitations or the sort of heart arrhythmia that everyone has at

times (?!), be a variation on the feeling like falling sleep jumping

(hypnic jerks or myoclonic jerks) or be related to hypoT or the

thyroid meds. Didnt really help though, but thankfully its happening

less at the moment and I think could be related to progesterone as

Miriam has suggested so I will keep on it without a break for a while

and see what happens.

> Interesting that if I do have alcohol then it doesnt happen!

> thanks Dawn and hope yours settle soon,

> Gill

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Thanks, Sheila. All the other factors seem to be OK. It looks like

it is just a matter of waiting until the sex hormone are properly

balanced.

Miriam

> Other problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal

reserve, systemic candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D

etc. You should get these checked to see whether any of these could be

the cause, because any one of them will stop your body from absorbing

any thyroid hormone replacement and would cause you the toxic symptoms

you mention. See 'Associated Conditions' on our website under

'Hypothyroidism'.

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Supposing I take a few days off Armour to reduce the T4 which is

causing toxicity. Can I just resume at my usual dose after that? Can

I take a week off to let things calm down or is that too long?

Thanks,

Miriam

> Other problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal

reserve, systemic candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D etc.

> Luv - Sheila

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It

wouldn't hurt to stop for a few days Miriam and then start again, but start at

a lower dose and again, build up gradually.

Luv -

Sheila

Supposing I take a few days off Armour to reduce the

T4 which is

causing toxicity. Can I just resume at my usual dose after that? Can

I take a week off to let things calm down or is that too long?

Thanks,

Miriam

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In case anyone is wondering - yes, my sleep has improved again on

resuming the progesterone cream, though it has taken a few days. So

that is good news. :-)

Miriam

> Fortunately I happened to have a telephone consultation with Dr P

> yesterday. I mentioned to him that this was the time I took a 6 day

> break from the progesterone cream and asked whether this was just a

> coincidence. He said it was common to find this when taking a break

> from the progesterone cream. So for the time being I am to just

keep using it straight through as it is more important for me to have

> better sleep than to give the progesterone receptors a break.

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I went to my GP today to see whether I had had all these things

checked recently, but didn't get very far. I had my ferritin checked

6 months ago and that was 82 which she said was good. My B12 has

previously been OK and she said the most recent blood test didn't show

any enlarged cells, so that must be OK too.

She said they didn't check vitamin D levels. Obviously there is quite

a lot of regional variation in the NHS because my brother's GP in

London checked his vitamin D levels as part of a general check-up. I

expect mine are OK as I take a good quality cod liver oil every day.

I then asked about a blood test for sex hormone levels. She said they

were pointless because there was so much variation in oestrogen from

day to day. So much for blood tests being the " gold standard " as

someone posted recently!

She said she could prescribe HRT if my symptoms were bad enough, but

wasn't keen to do so because of side-effects. I mentioned that I had

heard you could get natural oestrogen on the NHS, but she didn't know

anything about that. I said I'd had a saliva test which showed I was

deficient in both progesterone and oestrogen. She didn't exactly

rubbish the saliva test, but said she wondered what that was

measuring, so I said it didn't measure the same thing as the blood test.

Anyway, the long and the short of it is that you can get HRT on the

basis of symptoms and not on the basis of a blood test; an interesting

contrast with thyroid treatment, don't you think?

So I thanked her and said I would see how I got on with the treatments

I was trying for myself first and would come back if I decided to try

the HRT.

Miriam

> Other problems stopping your conversion could be low adrenal

reserve, systemic candidiasis, low ferritin, low B12, low Vitamin D

etc. You should get these checked to see whether any of these could be

the cause, because any one of them will stop your body from absorbing

any thyroid hormone replacement and would cause you the toxic symptoms

you mention.

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