Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Hi Daphne - I had very vivid dreams for maybe 6 months on 4.5, but it did eventually even out. Of course, if something is bothering me - it still pops up in my dream state, so taking care of business and being as problem / stress free as possible is important still, but I would say tough it out. Dr. B seems to think that 4.5 is the best dose, and if the only negative side effect you are having is the dreams, I would say stick to it instead of dropping to the 3.0 Best Regards - Cinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Once I stopped having those "epic dreams" as you call them I stopped getting any more improvement from the LDN. After stopping for three days and resuming again I got them back but greatly reduced in intensity. O how I wish for those days again. Reg. -------Original Message------- From: low dose naltrexone Date: 11/11/04 13:10:51 low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Vivid dreams Daphne asked:"One of the side effects I've experienced, especially since going up to 4.5mg, is "vivid" dreams... I know others experience this, but does it ever go away?" Hi Daphne -- I am also interested in this. I started LDN three weeks ago at 1.5mg, and even at that low dose, I have been having epic dreams every night. I am enjoying the dreams, but it does feel like I'm working all night. Did you have the same experience with 3mg? Did you start with 3? -- Maureen ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Maureen, I started at 3.0 for 4 weeks. On that dosage, I had a couple of nights of really wild dreams, then it stopped. Went up to 4.5 and the dreams were less wild than they had been those few nights on 3.0, and not so worrisome, but soooooo much work! Hi Daphne -- I am also interested in this. I started LDN three weeks ago at 1.5mg, and even at that low dose, I have been having epic dreams every night. I am enjoying the dreams, but it does feel like I'm working all night. Did you have the same experience with 3mg? Did you start with 3? -- Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I started LDN three weeks ago after eight months of steriod IVs then 20mg pretizon to 5MG then 0mg and onto the LDN. (4.5mgs in the evening)The first week I did not sleep well but had bladder control from the fisrt day where there was none. The second week proved to be the week of stiffness. the third I have been having very vivid dreams but I did not remember them until reading this message on the message board earier today. I have been enjoying the dreams due to the fact that I am walking, hiking up and down hills and doing things I have only been hoping to do for years. Presently I walk around the house using a walker and use a scooter for shopping. The neltrexone is giving me hope I am hoping to return to teaching college part-time with or without a scooter. I pray that we can be lifted from the bounds of MS. I am hoping neltrexone is the answer. CU Joanne L. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Daphne, Hello again Yes, I have been having vivid, detailed and complex dreams but nothing disturbing - definitely not nightmares. I quite enjoy most of them as I find them entertaining.lol Friday (4.5mg) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Hi My vivid dreams are just that--clear and vivid--they feel very real as I'm dreaming them. They have not been bizarre or terrifying or disturbing. The dreams have often included people out of my past and present life. The dreams are much more like those that I had as a child--where you would wake up and not be sure you were awake or still dreaming. For most people, the vivid dreaming is an indication that the LDN is in your system, and is working. Hope this helps. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 I have a question (am not yet on LDN) :I already have vivid dreams - and always have. So is LDN likely to increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of 'optimum level' one can dream at? (in which case I'm probably at that level sometimes, even without LDN!) - if anyone can answer that! n x >> Hi> > My vivid dreams are just that--clear and vivid--they feel very real as > I'm dreaming them. They have not been bizarre or terrifying or > disturbing. The dreams have often included people out of my past and > present life. The dreams are much more like those that I had as a > child--where you would wake up and not be sure you were awake or still > dreaming.> > For most people, the vivid dreaming is an indication that the LDN is in > your system, and is working.> > Hope this helps.> > Victor> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 n, I always did have them too. And they are m ore vivid now with the LDn.But not extremely! Just a bit more and always pleasant. I remember them more clearly when I wake up and what I remember seems to be longer lengths of the dreams. It's possible that they are no more vivid than before, but I just can recall them more clearly when I wake up. Nola [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams I have a question (am not yet on LDN) :I already have vivid dreams - and always have. So is LDN likely to increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of 'optimum level' one can dream at? (in which case I'm probably at that level sometimes, even without LDN!) - if anyone can answer that! n x >> Hi> > My vivid dreams are just that--clear and vivid--they feel very real as > I'm dreaming them. They have not been bizarre or terrifying or > disturbing. The dreams have often included people out of my past and > present life. The dreams are much more like those that I had as a > child--where you would wake up and not be sure you were awake or still > dreaming.> > For most people, the vivid dreaming is an indication that the LDN is in > your system, and is working.> > Hope this helps.> > Victor> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 n, On LDN, I sleep BETTER than ever! It is a very sound sleep. When I started on LDN (and for the first 6 months), if I dreamed, I did not remember them at all. That was very different for me... Someone told me that you remember dreams better when you wake up during REM sleep. Perhaps it is only with sleep disturbance, that you get vivid dreams. According to the http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/ site, sleep disurbance is estimated at only 2% of users. > So is LDN likely to > increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of > 'optimum level' one can dream at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 This is neat to know! But I also sleep better. More dreams, and better and more restful sleep. It's weird, I guess! Nola [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams n,On LDN, I sleep BETTER than ever! It is a very sound sleep. When I started on LDN (and for the first 6 months), if I dreamed, I did not remember them at all. That was very different for me... Someone told me that you remember dreams better when you wake up during REM sleep.Perhaps it is only with sleep disturbance, that you get vivid dreams. According to the http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/ site, sleep disurbance is estimated at only 2% of users.>So is LDN likely to> increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of> 'optimum level' one can dream at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 A good deal is being spoken about the sleep and dreaming with LDN. While many people refer to this as a side effect, and often an unwanted one, the fascinating thing to me is that it may be a clinical effect. The representation of desire in dreaming is well worked out in fMRI and neurobiological models, and the question is whether there is something improvement in the ‘physical’ side of mind/body also would express itself in emphatic dreaming and sleep disturbance. I cannot suggest I understand this much at all, but only to say that it might be helpful to think of the dreaming and sleep changes as a clinical effect rather than a side effect. Best Regards, Pincus From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of n T Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:26 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams I have a question (am not yet on LDN) : I already have vivid dreams - and always have. So is LDN likely to increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of 'optimum level' one can dream at? (in which case I'm probably at that level sometimes, even without LDN!) - if anyone can answer that! n x > > Hi > > My vivid dreams are just that--clear and vivid--they feel very real as > I'm dreaming them. They have not been bizarre or terrifying or > disturbing. The dreams have often included people out of my past and > present life. The dreams are much more like those that I had as a > child--where you would wake up and not be sure you were awake or still > dreaming. > > For most people, the vivid dreaming is an indication that the LDN is in > your system, and is working. > > Hope this helps. > > Victor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hi , nice to read your thoughts on this list. I have been wondering about the underlying mechanism of these"vivid dreams" - very simplistically, it almost looks like a burst of dopamine - freed up by an increase in opioid production. any thoughts? best, MP Maurice Preter, MD Psychiatry & Neurology Assistant Professor of Clinical PsychiatryColumbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons 1160 Fifth Avenue, Suite 112 New York, NY 10029 Phone & Fax +1-212-713-5336 Website: www.psychiatryneurology.com From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of david pincusSent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:40 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams A good deal is being spoken about the sleep and dreaming with LDN. While many people refer to this as a side effect, and often an unwanted one, the fascinating thing to me is that it may be a clinical effect. The representation of desire in dreaming is well worked out in fMRI and neurobiological models, and the question is whether there is something improvement in the ‘physical’ side of mind/body also would express itself in emphatic dreaming and sleep disturbance. I cannot suggest I understand this much at all, but only to say that it might be helpful to think of the dreaming and sleep changes as a clinical effect rather than a side effect. Best Regards, Pincus From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of n TSent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:26 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams I have a question (am not yet on LDN) :I already have vivid dreams - and always have. So is LDN likely to increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of 'optimum level' one can dream at? (in which case I'm probably at that level sometimes, even without LDN!) - if anyone can answer that! n x >> Hi> > My vivid dreams are just that--clear and vivid--they feel very real as > I'm dreaming them. They have not been bizarre or terrifying or > disturbing. The dreams have often included people out of my past and > present life. The dreams are much more like those that I had as a > child--where you would wake up and not be sure you were awake or still > dreaming.> > For most people, the vivid dreaming is an indication that the LDN is in > your system, and is working.> > Hope this helps.> > Victor> Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 I also have always had vivid dreams. Once I started LDN a few weeks ago, I continued to have vivid dreams, but they were just different. Before they were usually terrible nightmares and now they are just weird dreams - unusual patterns (like wallpaper) appearing all over my walls. I actually welcome them because they are not scary, at least for me. > > > I have a question (am not yet on LDN) : > > I already have vivid dreams - and always have. So is LDN likely to > increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of > 'optimum level' one can dream at? (in which case I'm probably at that > level sometimes, even without LDN!) > - if anyone can answer that! > > n > x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Dreaming is healthy and is part of REM sleep which is vital for our well-being. The return of dreams suggest a return of homeostasis to the body and is indicative of good health. RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams A good deal is being spoken about the sleep and dreaming with LDN. While many people refer to this as a side effect, and often an unwanted one, the fascinating thing to me is that it may be a clinical effect. The representation of desire in dreaming is well worked out in fMRI and neurobiological models, and the question is whether there is something improvement in the ‘physical’ side of mind/body also would express itself in emphatic dreaming and sleep disturbance. I cannot suggest I understand this much at all, but only to say that it might be helpful to think of the dreaming and sleep changes as a clinical effect rather than a side effect. Best Regards, Pincus From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of n TSent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:26 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams I have a question (am not yet on LDN) :I already have vivid dreams - and always have. So is LDN likely to increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of 'optimum level' one can dream at? (in which case I'm probably at that level sometimes, even without LDN!) - if anyone can answer that! n x >> Hi> > My vivid dreams are just that--clear and vivid--they feel very real as > I'm dreaming them. They have not been bizarre or terrifying or > disturbing. The dreams have often included people out of my past and > present life. The dreams are much more like those that I had as a > child--where you would wake up and not be sure you were awake or still > dreaming.> > For most people, the vivid dreaming is an indication that the LDN is in > your system, and is working.> > Hope this helps.> > Victor> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 I asked my wife the day after my first pill if She noticed anything. She had said that in 21 years she had never seen me sleep 'peacefully', and she confirmed that a few times following that. I don't remember what my dreams were like before LDN though, I always thought they were vivid and sometimes lucid. Maybe they are more so nowadays.. I know I've had some real interesting ones. [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams n,On LDN, I sleep BETTER than ever! It is a very sound sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hi Maurice. It’s hard to know, from my take. There could be a burst in dopamine, though there is nothing to document this, though it would be in keeping with the Panksepp and Solms theory of dreaming. Jaak’s told me he’d found increases in REM at 1 mg/kg back in the 70’s for unknown reasons, and then there is the idea that the LDN just alters circadian rhythms in some fashion. Best, From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of MauricePreterMD Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:15 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams Hi , nice to read your thoughts on this list. I have been wondering about the underlying mechanism of these " vivid dreams " - very simplistically, it almost looks like a burst of dopamine - freed up by an increase in opioid production. any thoughts? best, MP Maurice Preter, MD Psychiatry & Neurology Assistant Professor of Clinical Psychiatry Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons 1160 Fifth Avenue, Suite 112 New York, NY 10029 Phone & Fax +1-212-713-5336 Website: www.psychiatryneurology.com From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of david pincus Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:40 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams A good deal is being spoken about the sleep and dreaming with LDN. While many people refer to this as a side effect, and often an unwanted one, the fascinating thing to me is that it may be a clinical effect. The representation of desire in dreaming is well worked out in fMRI and neurobiological models, and the question is whether there is something improvement in the ‘physical’ side of mind/body also would express itself in emphatic dreaming and sleep disturbance. I cannot suggest I understand this much at all, but only to say that it might be helpful to think of the dreaming and sleep changes as a clinical effect rather than a side effect. Best Regards, Pincus From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of n T Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:26 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: vivid dreams I have a question (am not yet on LDN) : I already have vivid dreams - and always have. So is LDN likely to increase the level of real-ness/vividness of them, or is there a kind of 'optimum level' one can dream at? (in which case I'm probably at that level sometimes, even without LDN!) - if anyone can answer that! n x > > Hi > > My vivid dreams are just that--clear and vivid--they feel very real as > I'm dreaming them. They have not been bizarre or terrifying or > disturbing. The dreams have often included people out of my past and > present life. The dreams are much more like those that I had as a > child--where you would wake up and not be sure you were awake or still > dreaming. > > For most people, the vivid dreaming is an indication that the LDN is in > your system, and is working. > > Hope this helps. > > Victor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Folks, My LDN dreams seem to be like flipping through TV soap operas but the second my eyes open, the memories of them are zapped/gone/vanished/disappeared/off the screen. Do any of ya'll have this brain drain issue with the dreams? But I sure do like the heavy sleep! MAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I also have vivid dreams on LDN, and I don't enjoy them. They are so detailed and seem to never end. I also tend to sleep way too much. Even soh, my MS seems to not be progressing, and I would much prefer the dreams and oversleeping to the symptom progression. I'm not really interested in Ambien, Melatonin, etc, as I hate taking pills and being on tons of things. > > Folks, > My LDN dreams seem to be like flipping through TV soap operas but the second my eyes open, the memories of them are zapped/gone/vanished/disappeared/off the screen. Do any of ya'll have this brain drain issue with the dreams? But I sure do like the heavy sleep! MAG > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 > > Hi all, > > Just a question to everyone, those that have had Vivid dreams - have > they been good or bad (like nightmares?) > > When I started LDN just over a month ago now, I experineced Nothing in > my sleep patterns or disturbances....but in the last week and a bit > have had several vivid, Vivid dreams, which have been great !! They > haven't disturbed my sleep at all as I have them in the waking hours > of the morning, right before I awake...they've almost been like > prophetic dreams actually...... > > Kelli > My LDN induced dreams haven't been unpleasant. Nice side-effect. Sure beats what the CRAB drugs did to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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