Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Estradiol is the most potent of the bioidentical estrogens, estriolis the weakest. The female body produces estriol, estradiol, and estrone in the ratio of about 80% estriol, 10% estradiol, and 10% estrone. These are the bioidentical estrogens. Estrogen replacement is (or should be, in my opinion) bioidentical and contain estriol and estradiol in a correct ratio. The female doing hormone replacement should also always supplement progesterone also. Wayne Loveland, R.Ph. ----- Original Message ----- From: gateswill@... low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Pregnancy & MS WAAAAYYY OFF TOPIC! Interesting about pregnancy & hormones affecting MS for the better. My doc has added Estriol to my topical Progesterone cream (which already contained Estradiol) because he'd read what may have been this research. Estradiol & Estriol are fairly benign kinds of Estrogens. Maybe they'll figure this all out in my lifetime! Meanwhile- 6 weeks on LDN (2 weeks at 4.5 mg) and now I'm sure my balance is better and the numbness is definitely receding. And still -- all that energy.....Yay! Daphne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I was on HRT (for less than a year) before being diagnosed with MS...then I stopped it. The progesterone made me feel like I was going to explode and my mood became extremely agitated during the days I had to go on it and would feel normal as soon as I stopped it. I was on one of those three estrogens that you mentioned. Maybe our hormones would be normal if all our chicken and beef wasn't injected with so much? To me it just means more Dr. appt. to get the dosage right, but thanks Wayne for clarifying that. It may be an option for some of us, just not me. Kathy On 27-Oct-04, at 7:46 AM, Wayne Loveland wrote: > Estradiol is the most potent of the bioidentical estrogens, estriolis > the weakest. The female body produces estriol, estradiol, and estrone > in the ratio of about 80% estriol, 10% estradiol, and 10% estrone. > These are the bioidentical estrogens. Estrogen replacement is (or > should be, in my opinion) bioidentical and contain estriol and > estradiol in a correct ratio. The female doing hormone replacement > should also always supplement progesterone also. > Wayne Loveland, R.Ph. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gateswill@... > low dose naltrexone > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:13 AM > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Pregnancy & MS WAAAAYYY OFF TOPIC! > > > Interesting about pregnancy & hormones affecting MS for the better. > My doc has added Estriol to my topical Progesterone cream (which > already contained Estradiol) because he'd read what may have been this > research. Estradiol & Estriol are fairly benign kinds of Estrogens. > Maybe they'll figure this all out in my lifetime! Meanwhile- 6 weeks > on LDN (2 weeks at 4.5 mg) and now I'm sure my balance is better and > the numbness is definitely receding. And still -- all that > energy.....Yay! > Daphne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Exactly, how perfect to hear it from a professional. So many doctors are still favoring the synthetics and simply don't understand the difference in their effects. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Loveland low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:46 AM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] estradiol/estriol Estradiol is the most potent of the bioidentical estrogens, estriolis the weakest. The female body produces estriol, estradiol, and estrone in the ratio of about 80% estriol, 10% estradiol, and 10% estrone. These are the bioidentical estrogens. Estrogen replacement is (or should be, in my opinion) bioidentical and contain estriol and estradiol in a correct ratio. The female doing hormone replacement should also always supplement progesterone also. Wayne Loveland, R.Ph. ----- Original Message ----- From: gateswill@... low dose naltrexone Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Pregnancy & MS WAAAAYYY OFF TOPIC! Interesting about pregnancy & hormones affecting MS for the better. My doc has added Estriol to my topical Progesterone cream (which already contained Estradiol) because he'd read what may have been this research. Estradiol & Estriol are fairly benign kinds of Estrogens. Maybe they'll figure this all out in my lifetime! Meanwhile- 6 weeks on LDN (2 weeks at 4.5 mg) and now I'm sure my balance is better and the numbness is definitely receding. And still -- all that energy.....Yay! Daphne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 I really think that there is something to the hormone thing. I am not having any problems in that area. Regular as clockwork. No PMS whatsoever. Even before LDN, I seemed to have this under control. I take pregnenolone and DHEA. My question is; what about men with MS? How would/could hormone therapy help them? Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Here is my take on the estrogen thing. I am also on estrodial and medroxyprogersterone. I read an article form the Oregon Health and Science University where a study was done showing that estriol protects you from MS. My new doctor who is an MD, ND and acupuncturist talked to me about this. We got me off the synthetic progesterone and onto a natural progesterone and now are switching from straight estradial to a combo of estradial and estrioil, the second of which is the protective estrogen from MS. I no longer fear the estrogen and the HRT. I think for MS ers, it is actually a good idea, the difference being that I am now working with someone who knows what they are talking about and has me on the right stuff. after I get on the new estrogen regime, we'll do a a test that shows how the body is metabolizing the two estrogens and if it is correct for the protection. If not, we'll adjust. Hey, it is something worth checking out. apparently the OHSU study is the second such study. So the idea is not new. Take good care! Alice > > > Estradiol is the most potent of the bioidentical estrogens, estriolis > > the weakest. The female body produces estriol, estradiol, and estrone > > in the ratio of about 80% estriol, 10% estradiol, and 10% estrone. > > These are the bioidentical estrogens. Estrogen replacement is (or > > should be, in my opinion) bioidentical and contain estriol and > > estradiol in a correct ratio. The female doing hormone replacement > > should also always supplement progesterone also. > > Wayne Loveland, R.Ph. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: gateswill@a... > > low dose naltrexone > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:13 AM > > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Pregnancy & MS WAAAAYYY OFF TOPIC! > > > > > > Interesting about pregnancy & hormones affecting MS for the better. > > My doc has added Estriol to my topical Progesterone cream (which > > already contained Estradiol) because he'd read what may have been this > > research. Estradiol & Estriol are fairly benign kinds of Estrogens. > > Maybe they'll figure this all out in my lifetime! Meanwhile- 6 weeks > > on LDN (2 weeks at 4.5 mg) and now I'm sure my balance is better and > > the numbness is definitely receding. And still -- all that > > energy.....Yay! > > Daphne > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Men also produce estrogens. I suppose their hormone balance could be off for one reason or another. JT ----- Original Message ----- From: marciemjm@... low dose naltrexone Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: estradiol/estriol I really think that there is something to the hormone thing. I am not having any problems in that area. Regular as clockwork. No PMS whatsoever. Even before LDN, I seemed to have this under control. I take pregnenolone and DHEA. My question is; what about men with MS? How would/could hormone therapy help them? Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Could you tell me what Dr do I see and what do I ask for?? Is there a creme I can buy without seeing a dr. I already take a progesterone creme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi Lori, I'd be careful about increasing your hormone intake since your already taking progesterone cream. Rather than buy additional hormone creams at a health food store, check in with your gynecologist (OBGYN) and set up an appointment to go over what your taking. He /she can suggest, or write you a script for additional estrogen cream if necessary. I'm usually not this conservative, but when it come to hormone, if not careful you can do more harm then good. Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: Lori [mailto:lorigrady214@...] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:20 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: estradiol/estriol Could you tell me what Dr do I see and what do I ask for?? Is there a creme I can buy without seeing a dr. I already take a progesterone creme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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