Re: Dr P is cool, I got him, but ouch the cytomel prices!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

I'm doing T3 with my Armour and finding it expensive too!

I couldn't use Armour at all at first, so I tried just using T3 and now

I am doing some of each.

Dr Ps secretary said to me a while ago that just because we can't use

something at one time doesn't mean we wont be able to use it in the

future.

I think that maybe you and I will be able to switch to just using

Armour one day, when our adrenals (and other bits) recover.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Blinking computers..... I had just finished replying to this when I

hit some button or other and the screen died, so here goes again.

Sigh.....

Anyway, what I was saying Dawn is that you are NOT a rotten person.

You are always the first person to jump in to help everyone else on

here. You are exceptionally generous with your time. Always, you try

to remain positive and upbeat despite how awful you feel.

I'm telling you, I know people who have everything going for them,

good health, financial stability, loving family around them and they

never stop complaining about insignificant nothings. You who have

very good reason to feel down, rarely express it here. You have a

positive spirit which you should feel proud of.

I'm all for positive thinking and lord knows there are days when

" knowing " that it has to get better some day is all that gets me

through, but we wouldnt be human if we didnt have days when it all got

too much. You're having one of those weeks right now; give yourself a

break. It just wouldnt be normal not to feel crappy about it,

particularly when you understand just how thyroid hormone affects how

we think and feel.

Like you Dr P thinks I have conversion problems and suggested that I

might have to add T3, something I had hoped to avoid because of the

cost. However, my latest 1/2 grain increase produced some wierd

symptoms; worsening fatigue and that pressure in the head that I had

when I took too much HC.

Course, if it were just as simple as balancing thyroid hormones it'd

be so much easier. But now I'm pondering the complexities of ferritin

levels, selenium levels and whether candida is a factor.

Dont ya think we deserve a PhD in Thyroid if we figure all this out???

Anyway for now I'm doing what Mo was doing earlier this week.....

lying on the couch for hours staring at the cracks in the ceiling.

Course in my case we have Artex and there are enough crazy patterns on

there to keep you busy for HOURS!!!!

And when that fails, there's always Desperate Housewives re-runs for a

good ole belly laugh

Keep your chin up pet; let yourself have a good cry if thats what you

need. You may not feel better after it, but sometimes you just have

to let it out. There are enough of us on here who have felt just as

you do many times, and we dont mind listening.

My fingers are crossed that the T3 works for you.

Marie xx

[Guest guest]

Hi

Dawn

Where

did you buy your T3 from. You should perhaps have looked at the links we have

for suppliers of T3 and compared the price before ordering. If any of these are

cheaper, cancel your order and order from one of these:

http://www.drugdelivery.ca/

www.inhousepharmacy.com

www.internationalpharmacy.com

http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=cynomel & bysearch=ok

Has

he recommended you take 25mcgs T3 alongside your Armour or to cut back on

Armour. It might be that you need the T3 ONLY and not the other hormones that

are in Armour. Many people do extremely well on T3 alone. However, if you are

still going toxic because of conversion problems, I would guess you should stop

your Armour and just take the T3 alone. Does he believe your adrenals are yet

up to par so that you can take this new treatment regime. I am writing to you

privately, so look out for it.

Luv -

Sheila

So out goes the $133 from my poor son's bank account and I pray that

this works for me. I don't know if it works if it is a permanent

solution. Dr P said it depends how I am on it.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Shiela

I ordered from International, I thought with the high prices it would

get stopped by customs if not, not sure what he thinks about my

adrenals, he said to stay on 2 rather than 2 1/2 grains of armour and

add in the T3. I will be looking out for your email

Marie and Jane

''Dont ya think we deserve a PhD in Thyroid if we figure all this out???''

Haha, absoflippinlutely We should get a course going on this stuff,

it should be funded by the government and support groups with us PhDs

in self treating, and hormone balancing should be established all over

the country for the help of local people who are sick sick sick from

years of neglect. It shoul be attached to each GP practice lol.

Artex staring at....... 'trippy man' could make some great shapes in

my head outta that, I just have the plaster residues that the workmen

left when they did the rewiring and it hasn't been decorated

since..........bleh.

Seems we have problems in common, even the head symptoms, the lot,

bumma eh?

Now there is at least 3 of us contemplating our ceilings and I thought

that was for middle aged ladies in bed with the hubby when they lost

interest lol.

Thanks for the nice words about me, it is good of you to say so. We

are hard on ourselves I suppose. I was crying earlier and indulging in

copious amounts of self pity, I do sometimes, I suppose as you say it

is normal especially with hormones all over the darn place. Yes

getting the thyroid right must be quite easy without all the complex

factoring of the other issues.

''My fingers are crossed that the T3 works for you.'' and you too

Marie hon x

''m doing T3 with my Armour and finding it expensive too!'' innit just

Jane

''I think that maybe you and I will be able to switch to just using

Armour one day, when our adrenals (and other bits) recover.'' I

suppose that is logical, we are still in a state which needs healing

at the moment, maybe the T3 will do that for us making future

treatment with armour easier, I certainly hope so.

How you going on with it Jane? Do you feel ok at the mo? Is it better

for you thank armour alone and were you having wierd problems when

raising armour?

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

HI Dawn,

I have started adding in T3 to armour - not sure what is happening

yet as it has only been 3 days and a small dose... no adverse effects

yet!

Was recommended drugdelivery.ca by another member who got their goods

in just over a week. On there you can get 200 cytomel 25's delivered

for about £75. I actually cancelled the order I made with IP the day

before once I saw the price diff! (think it was slightly more for

half the number of tablets!) I'm pretty sure they do the smaller

bottles too if you wanted to just try one - works out at about £50

with delivery I think...

Leah xx

>

> Hiya folks,

> Ya'll know I am feeling poopy, I got hold of poor Dr P this

afternoon,

> he must have constant phone calls poor man, not a min to himself. I

> digress.

>

> He says I am going toxic on raising because of conversion problem

and

> to take 25mcg of T3 alongside 2 grains armour which sounds like a

good

> plan. I hope it works because I knew that they were expensive, one

> reason at the outset I decided on Armour rather than just adding in

T3

> to my already established T4 regime. But when I saw the price of a

> bottle now YIPES. I am having a bottle for a holiday present they

are

> so bad. You need to be a high wage earner to afford your med and if

> you are too ill to work lol, vicious circle . Anyway, by having it

> as a present I have just ordered a bottle which should last me 3

> months, so I can stop worrying for a couple of months about it,

except

> I need more armour. The NHS should be treating me dammit!!! Me and

my

> family have paid a fortune into it over the years rant rant moan

moan

> etc etc. Sorry for the rant.

> So out goes the $133 from my poor son's bank account and I pray that

> this works for me. I don't know if it works if it is a permanent

> solution. Dr P said it depends how I am on it. I don't know. At the

> moment I wake up on a morning and think, oh dear, is this Earth,

back

> here again am I? Oh dear more suffering. Bleh. I shouldn't think

> like that I am blessed. So many wonderful people with me and willing

> to help me. What a rotton person I am feeling that way. Think its

the

> hc thingy or am toxic or something still I dunno.

> I know I have spoken to someone else on Armour and T3 who was it

> again? Is it you ?

> Anyway just thought I would post because it was a thing to do and

this

> moment not sure where to put myself.

>

> lotsa luv

> Dawnx

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I looked at the price of T3 and couldnt believe how expensive it was, so does Dr P think you need more T3 than you are getting from armour? What did he say about the problems you have had with HC? I agree we shouldnt have to fund all this ourselves, I have just spent £50 on amour, not funny really is it? I look at it like this though, if it works and I feel really well I will find the money somewhere because I have felt ill for so long now it will be a release to feel normal, that feeling must be priceless

Hiya folks,Ya'll know I am feeling poopy, I got hold of poor Dr P this afternoon,he must have constant phone calls poor man, not a min to himself. Idigress.He says I am going toxic on raising because of conversion problem andto take 25mcg of T3 alongside 2 grains armour which sounds like a goodplan. I hope it works because I knew that they were expensive, onereason at the outset I decided on Armour rather than just adding in T3to my already established T4 regime. But when I saw the price of abottle now YIPES. I am having a bottle for a holiday present they areso bad. You need to be a high wage earner to afford your med and ifyou are too ill to work lol, vicious circle . Anyway, by having itas a present I have just ordered a bottle which should last me 3months, so I can stop worrying for a couple of months about it, exceptI need more armour.lotsa

luvDawnx

[Guest guest]

If

anybody else has a good and cheaper source to buy

Cytomel/Cynomel/Tertroxin/Lyothyronine (all T3) please let me have details.

Luv -

Sheila

Was recommended drugdelivery.ca by another member who got their goods

in just over a week. On there you can get 200 cytomel 25's delivered

for about £75. I actually cancelled the order I made with IP the day

before once I saw the price diff! (think it was slightly more for

half the number of tablets!) I'm pretty sure they do the smaller

bottles too if you wanted to just try one - works out at about £50

with delivery I think...

Leah xx

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[Guest guest]

That's useful to know as I am also adding some T3 to the Armour.

Miriam

> Was recommended drugdelivery.ca by another member who got their

goods in just over a week. On there you can get 200 cytomel 25's

delivered for about £75.

[Guest guest]

evening dawn; i am sorry you are not feeling too bright at the

moment, i spoke with dr. p this morning, what a busy man he

is !. i added some t3 to my armour a few weeks ago, i am currently

on 1 1/2 armour and 25 mgs of t3 daily, and have been told to slowly

keep increasing my t3. i do feel much better on it but as you say,

it is expensive. i just wanted to share ~ the best price i could

find was from drugdelivery.ca i got 200 tabs 25mgs, for £50.00

and then a heafty delivery charge of £20 it was the spanish cytomel

that was sent so not a generic. they arrived in about 10 days. i

do hope it works for you as well , take care, kind regards jane--

- In thyroid treatment , " blondiethefirstuk "

<whitbywitchuk@...> wrote:

>

> Hiya folks,

> Ya'll know I am feeling poopy, I got hold of poor Dr P this

afternoon,

> he must have constant phone calls poor man, not a min to himself. I

> digress.

>

[Guest guest]

Well Dawn I have been a bit all over the place with my dosing.

After a good couple of weeks on HC alone I started Armour but my

pulse went a bit high and palpitations and waking up at 3am got

worse. So went off the armour and stayed with HC for another two

weeks.

Dr P's secretary was ill at that time so under my own steam I bought

myself some low dose (5mg) T3 and started on one of those a day, then

two after a week then four after two weeks.(I had spoken to Dr P and

got his blessing by this time).

I was on holiday for two weeks so obviously I felt a lot better and

even had a temperature of 37 on one day.

But then I realised I was running low on T3 so I decided to give the

Armour another go in order to stretch my T3.I was too embarassed to

come on the forum and ask for a T3 loan after running out of HC only

last month!

I quicky worked up to 1.5 grains which I took with with 5mg T3.

Anyway, my 25mg T3 turned up from International Pharmacy in good time

so I didn't actually run out. This week I tried half a 25mg T3

(12.5mg) with my 1.5 grains of Armour in the morning and felt ok for

a couple of days but last night I felt quite headachy and had to go

to bed very early so I decided to drop back to 5mg (I still have a

few 5mg tablets left) plus 1.5 grains and maybe try adding another

bit of T3 in an afternoon dose in a week or so.

It will mean cutting the 25mg T3 tablet into four which will be

fiddly.

I have been taking high doses of iron to increase my ferritin which

was very low, and I have done the candida treatment, so I wonder if

this could be why I am now able to tolerate the Armour.

As to how I am feeling - I am definately noticing improvements and so

is my boyfriend who has cared for me for the last 18 months.

I'm sure when Sheila reads this she will be horrifued at my haphazard

approach and I certainly wouldn't recommend it (if you can follow

what I did when then you have done well because even I'm not really

sure anymore).

I plan to be a bit more methodical about it from now on.

Jane

> How you going on with it Jane? Do you feel ok at the mo? Is it

better

> for you thank armour alone and were you having wierd problems when

> raising armour?

[Guest guest]

Thnks Jane and I am glad you are feeling so much better, you are a

grain of armour below me, I am supposed to drop to 2. I should have

mentioned though, as points out about my adrenals. Would the T3

be better than the armour raises for my adrenals? hmmm strange if they

would and why? I should ask the right questions at the right time lol.

So sorry , I cannot say.

//I have felt ill for so long now it will be a release to feel normal,

that feeling must be priceless\\

wouldn't it just!!!

luv Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn, I'm not entirely clear on things myself. I think when we are

not converting T4 into T3 the addition of extra T3 helps. With added T3

the thyroid funtion improves, then the adrenals (and everything) start

to come back, then the conversion can improve and so on.

I think adding more Armour when we are not converting can cause

T4 'stacking' and/or 'reverse T3' both of which can make you feel worse.

As I understand it having low thyroid stresses the adrenals so its a

bit like a catch 22 situation. We need to get the thyroid function

going for the adrenals to recover and then we will (hopefully) be able

to convert T4 to T3.

Wow I looked at the other pharmacy by the way - drugdelivery.ca -

cytomel is so much cheaper!!

http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s42724-s-CYTOMEL.aspx

Jane

[Guest guest]

hi dawn; i do hope you are feeling abit better today, before i

started on the t3 i was taking 3 grains of armour daily, ( i did try

taking it at night but it didn't suit me). i also take 4 nax daily.

after talking with dr. p yesterday i am to continue raising the t3 by

1/2 tablet every 10 days until i feel quite well ! how exciting is

that ! all the best jane

>

> Thnks Jane and I am glad you are feeling so much better, you are a

> grain of armour below me, I am supposed to drop to 2. I should have

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Jane - No, I am not

horrified, in fact, I think you should be congratulated on being brave enough

to experiment in such a way and managing to rise above your problems and find

the dose that suits you. This, sadly, is what we have to do when are NHS

doctors don't know what to do with us and who cannot make us well.

I hope you settle down soon though and you find

the combination that your body is happy with.

luv - Sheila

I'm sure when Sheila reads this she will be horrifued at my haphazard

approach and I certainly wouldn't recommend it (if you can follow

what I did when then you have done well because even I'm not really

sure anymore).

I plan to be a bit more methodical about it from now on.

Jane

> How you going on with it Jane? Do you feel ok at the mo? Is it

better

> for you thank armour alone and were you having wierd problems when

> raising armour?

[Guest guest]

But while you are getting the thyroid function up you must remember to support the adrenals as this will stress them even more, once the adrenals are supported then thyroid can be increased and once thyroid is optimum adrenal support can slowly to stopped, sometimes this isnt possible and we need adrenal support for a long time.

Also armour contains T3 so if you have a conversion problem this shouldnt matter when you take armour because you are getting T3 from armour, it only seems to matter if you only take thyroxine and then T4 will just stack up in your blood as it is not being converted.

Hi Dawn, I'm not entirely clear on things myself. I think when we are not converting T4 into T3 the addition of extra T3 helps. With added T3 the thyroid funtion improves, then the adrenals (and everything) start to come back, then the conversion can improve and so on. I think adding more Armour when we are not converting can cause T4 'stacking' and/or 'reverse T3' both of which can make you feel worse.As I understand it having low thyroid stresses the adrenals so its a bit like a catch 22 situation. We need to get the thyroid function going for the adrenals to recover and then we will (hopefully) be able to convert T4 to T3.Wow I looked at the other pharmacy by the way - drugdelivery. ca - cytomel is so much cheaper!! http://www.drugdeli very.ca/s42724- s-CYTOMEL.

aspxJane

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane and

I feel not too good unfortunately.

Got an appointment with dr at my surgery next Thursday, he says he

will do bloods the same day to stop me trailing back. I want to know

what is going on in there before starting the T3, at least then I

will know later what has changed. I was wanting to arrange tests by

phone and just go up for that but he says he really has wanted to see

me for a long time. I should have said he was always welcome for a

cuppa lol.

Anyway, I feel rotton today again. Aches and pains, palpitations (I am

not taking my afternoon dose of armour today in case I am actually

hyper) thundering in my ears in response to music sounds. Pains in the

gut, pains in the liver and kidneys, I feel very fragile and I had the

audacity (spelling?) to have some chocolates my beloved bought me and

feel even sicker, suppose it serves me right.

Thanks again ladies, hope you are all feeling better.

lotsa luv

Dawnx