RE: Too much HC? not enough? wierdness, help please.

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Steroids (especially in high dosage) can have unpredictable effects on mood and behaviour. This may be a particular problem for those who suffer from mental illness. Steroids have been associated with euphoria (a feeling of wellbeing) but also depression and occasionally cause sleep disturbances. They may also raise the intracranial pressure (pressure within the brain) associated with the development of headache.

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/images/hydrocortisone.htm

Hi Dawn I found the above information, do you think this relates to you and how you have been feeling?-

Hello ladies and gents.I am experiencing a problem with my hc replacement. I had to go up to30 under advice from the adrenal forums due to symptoms of deficiencywhilst raising armour and unstable temps......[Edit]

luvDawnx

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EEEP

Thanks , thats scary. I don't feel too bad at the moment thanks.

There is what you have pointed out and also Crystalyn pointed out the

fact that Flax, which I have been sprinkling one meal a day with can

cause mania and other problems in 'susceptible' individuals. I

wondered why and found that the Ligans in it are estrogenic. I was

taking it to get breast pain down not knowing it was one of those

phytoestrogens.

Thing is I quite like the extra energy. Wondering what it is actually

doing though. Might be too worrying to keep taking it in a smaller

dose, I don't know.

Thanks for pointing that out hon, if when I leave out the Flax it

doesn't happen I will feel calmer lol.

Lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hi Dawn, I'm not a medic but I'm also taking generic HC. I got to

20mg and tried to add 2.5mg more and immediately got the head-pressure

you mentioned in your post. It felt like a migraine coming on. I

took this as a sign that 20mg is my limit.

Just last week I had some additional stress which made me more

fatigued so again I tried to add an additional 2.5mg and again got the

head pressure. So again I backed off to the safe amount of 20mg.

It seems that I like you cannot tolerate more than 20mg.

I think the thing to bear in mind is that we are all individual.

Generic dosing recommendations are all very well, but not everyone can

tolerate doses as high as 30mg. I have pretty severe adrenal fatigue

and I cannot take more than 20mg.

My advice to you would be to pay attention to your symptoms; it sounds

like your getting a pretty clear indication that you cannot tolerate

the higher dose.

Also I wonder if trying to force a higher dose onto your body is

another source of stress for your adrenals (I dont know the answer to

this, its just a thought).

HOpe this helps. Marie

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Hi Dawn,

Are you prepared to get yet another job with this information - an MSc then a PhD .....just wondering how we can get your brain back online permanently.

http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/25/4/701

Mycoplasma genitalium has the smallest presently known genome, it is therefore the most promising candidate for defining and constructing a minimal cell by genetic manipulations e.g. inactivating or deleting genes. More importantly, the proposed or constructed minimal cell can be experimentally tested for its ability to survive and reduplicate under defined conditions. It is apparent that the minimal set of essential genes for an M.genitaliumderived minimal cell has to be different depending on growth conditions, e.g. whether the minimal cell is growing in vitro in a serum-enriched medium or in the respiratory or urogenital tracts of the host. It might grow well without adhesin proteins under laboratory conditions, but it would probably be unable to survive in the respiratory or urogenital tract without the ability to colonize following its adhesion to the epithelial surfaces. Therefore, when defining a minimal cell, one has also to define the environmental conditions for growth of this cell.

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If it's not just candidiasis, maybe a mycoplasma perhaps?

the mycoplasma need sterols!

>> your GP won't be qualified in this field and may not even know the words, unless s/he has been reading assiduously these last ten years or more, and in areas of microbiology that Gordon Skinner has skills.

<> food for thought ?

best wishes

Bob

>> EEEP> > Thanks , thats scary. I don't feel too bad at the moment thanks.> > There is what you have pointed out and also Crystalyn pointed out the> fact that Flax, which I have been sprinkling one meal a day with can> cause mania and other problems in 'susceptible' individuals. I> wondered why and found that the Ligans in it are estrogenic. I was> taking it to get breast pain down not knowing it was one of those> phytoestrogens.

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Dawn ~ I wonder if you could utilise the temp charting to sort out

where you are with this?

I am thinking if your adrenals as showing they are fully supported

now with your av. temps being stable then, conceiveably, you could

cut back a tad and then check again over the following few days???

Whatchathunk hon?

Mo

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> Hi Dawn,

>

> I am sure that Sheila will be along, but I do remember when she

> posted Dr Thierry Hertoghe's book extract regarding replacement of

> these hormones, he did give overly euphoric and trying to get a rise

> out of people (can't remember how it was phrased but this is what I

> took it to mean) as symptoms of taking too much.

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> I know this is probably not what you want to hear, but I do think it

> seems likely you are taking a bit too much...

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> Leah x

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> > Hello ladies and gents.

> > I am experiencing a problem with my hc replacement. I had to go up

> > to 30 under advice from the adrenal forums due to symptoms of

> > deficiency whilst raising armour and unstable temps.

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evening dawn; i have just been reading through this thread and as

far as i can see you are feeling happy, in good humour and have some

energy.... could it be that you have arrived at the correct dose at

last and you are feeling well ? i think that with many of us, we

have felt ill for so long we no longer know what it feels like to

feel truly well. here is hoping that you have finally reached

the " right spot " for you. kind regards jane

> > > Hello ladies and gents.

> > > I am experiencing a problem with my hc replacement. I had to go

up

> > > to 30 under advice from the adrenal forums due to symptoms of

> > > deficiency whilst raising armour and unstable temps.

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Hi

Dawn

There

can be problems in taking advice from people who are not medically qualified -

even though they do appear to be extremely knowledgeable about their subject.

The problem is that they know little about your other conditions or what

supplements or medications you are taking and the reasons why. This is why when

you are taking a steroid such as HC, it is best to stick with the doctor who

recommended you go down this route. I believe this was Dr P, and I would

suggest that as soon as he comes back from his Devon clinic, that you contact

him and ask his advice.

Luv -

Sheila

Hello ladies and gents.

I am experiencing a problem with my hc replacement. I had to go up to

30 under advice from the adrenal forums due to symptoms of deficiency

whilst raising armour and unstable temps.

Trouble is I am noting a slight manic behaiour on my part, I am very

cheerful in fact overly so, and want to get reactions of my hubby. I

have a stupid sense of humour anyway but I am very errr 'direct' at

the moment.

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This is why when you are taking a steroid such as HC, it is best to

> stick with the doctor who recommended you go down this route. I

believe this

> was Dr P, and I would suggest that as soon as he comes back from his

Devon

> clinic, that you contact him and ask his advice.

> Luv - Sheila

Actually yes it was him Shiela, I had been told I might need to raise

a few times but didn't have the courage to do it till Dr P said so

because I trust his track recored with patients, and he sounded so

nice too.

I understand what you mean about advise from people not medically

quailified. I try to look at the advice and research it. Much of it

scares the ... outta me to be honest but then I just have to hold my

nose and jump in with what looks right from the research.

It seems I have settled down again yesterday evening and today. Not

had the flax, that is quite telling. Flax took me by surprise becaue

it is a food I was sprinkling I didn't research its effects. Or other

reason could be something to do with the couple of days after a period

and some sex hormone relation. Anyway I am just normal now, not quite

so happy (darn I was quite enjoying it lol). Still feeling generally

better thank God.

Maybe I was just getting the right doses as you say Janey and I felt

it as I have been so flat for so long. Not sure. My temps are not too

irratic now Mo hon. They took a big dive towards the end of my bleed

then rose back to what at the mo is a normal average for me around

36.65 and with a degree if it fluctuates. But it does fluctuate

slightly so I don't think I dare go back below 27 1/2 mg to 25 where I

felt still pretty bad.

I might give Dr P a ring Shiela, but I don't want to impose on his

time, I have become rather retiring at times. Other times it is as

though I have a testosterone spike, my humour is that of a builder,

and I am very forceful. I am a very strange gal. lol.

Anyway it seems I have balanced for the mo, we shall see when I have

another go with that flax (ligans and high phytoestrogen dose)(for

experimental purposes) in a couple of days what happens, then I shall

know for sure if it was that. If not I take it that my other hormones

were adjusting after the bleed.

Thanks everyone for responding. I was getting very worried there.

''just wondering how we can get your brain back online permanently.''

ahh Bob,to get a PHD in something I can use to help folk would be

good, getting the brain back online is the problem tho innit? lol.

Would be nice to see Dr S too, get more input. The study you mention

is interesting, albeit a tad complex, no wonder the doc wouldn't

understand it hehe.

luv ya all

God bless

Dawnx