Re: Are we absorbing the minerals?

[Guest guest]

I think the real issue is what condition is your gut in? Is it healthy? Do you have Candida, low intestinal flora, gluten intolerance or even celiac? If any of these things are going on you will have issues with absorption. The body depends on a good balanced gut to take in nutrients it needs. Read the Gut & Psychology book and you will understand just how important it is in this process.

Are we absorbing the minerals?

I was talking to a friend tonight who said she takes colloidalminerals. I've just been googling to find out some more informationand basically it seems that if the minerals are not small enough ourbody cannot make much use of them..There are many websites on the topic, here is one.http://www.cottagehillherbs.co.nz/2008/04/21/what-are-colloidal-minerals/What are your thoughts? Does it matter? I've just been buying whatevermagnesium, selenium etc seems to be the cheapest...maybe my body isn'teven using the forms that I buy?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that reminder Steph. I keep reading about the gut and then

forgetting about it.......

[Guest guest]

Here is a great site about molecula(smaller than collidol)

minerals. I really like their product, I have not tried their

iodine yet, but they have all the minerals and good explanations of

them.

http://www.worldhealthmall.com/

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> I was talking to a friend tonight who said she takes colloidal

> minerals. I've just been googling to find out some more information

> and basically it seems that if the minerals are not small enough

our

> body cannot make much use of them..

>

> There are many websites on the topic, here is one.

> http://www.cottagehillherbs.co.nz/2008/04/21/what-are-colloidal-

minerals/

>

> What are your thoughts? Does it matter? I've just been buying

whatever

> magnesium, selenium etc seems to be the cheapest...maybe my body

isn't

> even using the forms that I buy?

>

[Guest guest]

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> I was talking to a friend tonight who said she takes colloidal

> minerals. I've just been googling to find out some more information

> and basically it seems that if the minerals are not small enough our

> body cannot make much use of them..

>

> There are many websites on the topic, here is one.

>

http://www.cottagehillherbs.co.nz/2008/04/21/what-are-colloidal-minerals/

>

> What are your thoughts? Does it matter? I've just been buying whatever

> magnesium, selenium etc seems to be the cheapest...maybe my body isn't

> even using the forms that I buy?

I don't know what the final, whole & holy truth on minerals is, but

here is Tim O'Shea's opinion on colloidal minerals:

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/minerals/Minerals.php

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3. COLLOIDAL

Speaking of overloading, the third type of supplemental minerals is

called colloidal. What does colloidal really mean? Colloidal refers to

a solution, a dispersion medium in which mineral particles are so well

suspended that they never settle out: you never have to shake the bottle.

The other part of the dictionary definition has to do with diffusion

through a membrane: " will not diffuse easily through vegetable or

animal membrane. " Yet this is supposed to be the whole rationale for

taking colloidal minerals - their absorbability. Colloidal guru

Wallach himself continuously claimed that it is precisely the

colloidal form of the minerals that allows for easy diffusion and

absorption across the intestinal membrane, because the particles are

so small. Wallach claims 98% absorption, but cites no studies,

experiments, journal articles or research of any kind to back up this

figure. Why not? Because there aren't any. The research on colloidal

minerals has never been done. It's not out there. Senate Document 264

doesn't really cover it. Nor did Wild Kingdom.

In reality, colloidal minerals are actually larger than ionic

minerals, as discussed by researcher Max Motyka, MS. [22] Because of

the molecular size and suspension in the colloid medium, which

Dorland's Medical dictionary describes as " like glue, " absorption is

inhibited, not enhanced. No less an authority than Dr. Royal Lee the

man responsible for pointing out the distinction between whole food

vitamins and synthetic vitamins, stated:

" A colloidal mineral is one that has been so altered that it will no

longer pass through cell walls or other organic membranes. " [2]

Does that sound like easy absorption?

Stedman's Medical Dictionary talks about colloids " resisting

sedimentation, diffusion, and filtration " Again, resisting diffusion

seems to indicate inhibition of absorption, not increased absorption,

wouldn't you say?

As Schauss and Parris Kidd both explain, colloids are

suspensions of minerals in clay and water. [18] Clay often has levels

of aluminum as high as 3000 parts per million, with safety levels set

at 10 ppm or lower ([21] Kidd). Aluminum has been proven to kill nerve

cells, which we now see in Alzheimer's.

Dr. Schauss characterizes the aluminum content as the big problem with

colloidal minerals. He cites a standard geology reference text -

Dana's Manual of Mineralogy - describing clay as primarily aluminum:

" Clay minerals are essentially hydrous aluminum silicates. " - Dana's

Manual, p436 [19]

Schauss finds references as high as 4400 PPM of aluminum in colloidal

clay. Schauss states that he has done an exhaustive search for any

human studies using colloidal minerals and after searching 2000

journals, like everyone else, has come up with zero.

For a mineral to be well absorbed, it must be either in the ionic

state, or else chelated, as explained above. The percentage of

colloidal minerals which actually does get absorbed has to have been

ionized somehow, due to the acidic conditions in the small intestine.

Only then is the mineral capable of being taken up by the carrier

proteins in the intestinal membrane, as mentioned above. But why

create the extra step? Ionic minerals would be superior to colloidal,

because they don't have to be dissociated from a suspension medium,

which is by definition non-diffusible.

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I found O'Shea's entire section on Minerals very informative, indeed.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that was a fasinating article that I will need to read again

slower. Lots of good info. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Ionic ones are the best, I use UltraTrace mineral drops by higher nature.

Anne

From: Mrs. Barley <chosenbarley@...>iodine Sent: Monday, 1 December, 2008 22:57:58Subject: Re: Are we absorbing the minerals?

>> I was talking to a friend tonight who said she takes colloidal> minerals. I've just been googling to find out some more information> and basically it seems that if the minerals are not small enough our> body cannot make much use of them..> > There are many websites on the topic, here is one.>http://www.cottageh illherbs. co.nz/2008/ 04/21/what- are-colloidal- minerals/> > What are your thoughts? Does it matter? I've just been buying whatever> magnesium, selenium etc seems to be the cheapest...maybe my body isn't> even using the forms that I buy?I don't

know what the final, whole & holy truth on minerals is, buthere is Tim O'Shea's opinion on colloidal minerals:http://www.thedocto rwithin.com/ minerals/ Minerals. php------------ -----3. COLLOIDALSpeaking of overloading, the third type of supplemental minerals iscalled colloidal. What does colloidal really mean? Colloidal refers toa solution, a dispersion medium in which mineral particles are so wellsuspended that they never settle out: you never have to shake the bottle.The other part of the dictionary definition has to do with diffusionthrough a membrane: "will not diffuse easily through vegetable oranimal membrane." Yet this is supposed to be the whole rationale fortaking colloidal minerals - their absorbability. Colloidal guru Wallach himself continuously claimed that it is

precisely thecolloidal form of the minerals that allows for easy diffusion andabsorption across the intestinal membrane, because the particles areso small. Wallach claims 98% absorption, but cites no studies,experiments, journal articles or research of any kind to back up thisfigure. Why not? Because there aren't any. The research on colloidalminerals has never been done. It's not out there. Senate Document 264doesn't really cover it. Nor did Wild Kingdom.In reality, colloidal minerals are actually larger than ionicminerals, as discussed by researcher Max Motyka, MS. [22] Because ofthe molecular size and suspension in the colloid medium, whichDorland's Medical dictionary describes as "like glue," absorption isinhibited, not enhanced. No less an authority than Dr. Royal Lee theman responsible for pointing out the distinction between whole foodvitamins and synthetic vitamins, stated:"A

colloidal mineral is one that has been so altered that it will nolonger pass through cell walls or other organic membranes." [2]Does that sound like easy absorption?Stedman's Medical Dictionary talks about colloids "resistingsedimentation, diffusion, and filtration " Again, resisting diffusionseems to indicate inhibition of absorption, not increased absorption,wouldn't you say?As Schauss and Parris Kidd both explain, colloids aresuspensions of minerals in clay and water. [18] Clay often has levelsof aluminum as high as 3000 parts per million, with safety levels setat 10 ppm or lower ([21] Kidd). Aluminum has been proven to kill nervecells, which we now see in Alzheimer's.Dr. Schauss characterizes the aluminum content as the big problem withcolloidal minerals. He cites a standard geology reference text -Dana's Manual of Mineralogy - describing clay as primarily

aluminum:"Clay minerals are essentially hydrous aluminum silicates." - Dana'sManual, p436 [19]Schauss finds references as high as 4400 PPM of aluminum in colloidalclay. Schauss states that he has done an exhaustive search for anyhuman studies using colloidal minerals and after searching 2000journals, like everyone else, has come up with zero.For a mineral to be well absorbed, it must be either in the ionicstate, or else chelated, as explained above. The percentage ofcolloidal minerals which actually does get absorbed has to have beenionized somehow, due to the acidic conditions in the small intestine.Only then is the mineral capable of being taken up by the carrierproteins in the intestinal membrane, as mentioned above. But whycreate the extra step? Ionic minerals would be superior to colloidal,because they don't have to be dissociated from a suspension medium,which is by definition

non-diffusible.------------ -----I found O'Shea's entire section on Minerals very informative, indeed.