Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 News Home Photo Gallery Tech Top Stories Entertainment World Business Politics Tech Travel Sport ABC | AFP | Asia Pulse | ZDNet | ComputerWire Monday November 15, 02:50 PM Pumping iron delivers results for MS patients Researchers in Melbourne have found that exercise can have significant benefits for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS), challenging the conventional medical wisdom. Doctors normally do not recommend that patients with MS do strenuous exercise. A common symptom of the illness is fatigue and many experts believe that doing weights can make it worse. It is also thought that strenuous exercise can affect body temperature and that can then affect nerve conduction for people with MS, exacerbating symptoms like spasticity. But physiotherapists at Melbourne's La Trobe University have found that putting MS patients through weight training is delivering some excellent results. They have found that patients who do weight training not only became physically stronger but have a huge improvement in their ability to perform daily tasks. Joy Hall, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis three years ago, is one of a handful of people who took part in the weight training trial. "It did give me a lot more energy and I just felt generally stronger, very pleased and very positive," Ms Hall said. "I could walk better because I had the dexterity. I could write better. In fact, my writing is back to normal. In fact, everything is better." Dawn Prasad from the MS Society says the trial has also had psychological benefits, including "improved confidence and self-esteem". "People felt stronger so they could do more functional tasks and that improves their feelings of wellbeing," Ms Prasad said. Researchers now want to put larger groups of MS patients through similar fitness programs to see if the benefits can be replicated. Next article: Parents defend spending sex abuse payout Previous article: Melbourne stem cell line freely available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I believe weight training has helped me maintain what I have left. My trainer was a chiro and is very big on the weight bearing exercise. I only do a half an hour 2x a week. NOT HEAVY weights, I do squats holding on, I work with weights for quads, hamstrings, biceps, triceps, abs with 3-15lbs only. I go till I cant' any longer and do each excise twice. (about 12-15 reps) I do not sweat,(I shut down if I do) it only takes 30 minutes. I have been doing this since starting LDN and have worked up to this . It took me 17 months to get to this point. I have plateaued and these are the max weights I have been using for about 6 months now. I can't seem to increase. I used to come home and do nothing the rest of the day, but now I can do a few errands and then some. Like I said, it took me a long time to get here but it was worth it. Dr. B told me to hang on to what I have left by exercising and this prevents osteoporosis too. I recommend to all, start with soup cans and build. Kiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Tom, Great article! I've been proof of this for over 20 years! Grant it I don't have MS lesions on my spine, therefore am not as disabled as many MSers, but thanks to exercise, "pumping iron" and a positive attitude nothing can stop me. Maybe with this new research, neurologist will start to realize the importance and work with their patience to get some physical therapy with light weights. Thanks again for sharing this with us! From: Bayuk [mailto:tbayuk@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:17 AMMS-Christians ; MS_Community ; mscured ; A Home away from Home a MS Support Board; MSersLife ; MSfriends ; MSViews_Multiple_Sclerosis ; low dose naltrexone ; jjworld Subject: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron News Home Photo Gallery Tech Top Stories Entertainment World Business Politics Tech Travel Sport ABC | AFP | Asia Pulse | ZDNet | ComputerWire Monday November 15, 02:50 PM Pumping iron delivers results for MS patients Researchers in Melbourne have found that exercise can have significant benefits for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS), challenging the conventional medical wisdom. Doctors normally do not recommend that patients with MS do strenuous exercise. A common symptom of the illness is fatigue and many experts believe that doing weights can make it worse. It is also thought that strenuous exercise can affect body temperature and that can then affect nerve conduction for people with MS, exacerbating symptoms like spasticity. But physiotherapists at Melbourne's La Trobe University have found that putting MS patients through weight training is delivering some excellent results. They have found that patients who do weight training not only became physically stronger but have a huge improvement in their ability to perform daily tasks. Joy Hall, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis three years ago, is one of a handful of people who took part in the weight training trial. "It did give me a lot more energy and I just felt generally stronger, very pleased and very positive," Ms Hall said. "I could walk better because I had the dexterity. I could write better. In fact, my writing is back to normal. In fact, everything is better." Dawn Prasad from the MS Society says the trial has also had psychological benefits, including "improved confidence and self-esteem". "People felt stronger so they could do more functional tasks and that improves their feelings of wellbeing," Ms Prasad said. Researchers now want to put larger groups of MS patients through similar fitness programs to see if the benefits can be replicated. Next article: Parents defend spending sex abuse payout Previous article: Melbourne stem cell line freely available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 http://bigfitness.com/totr20btotog.html check this site to a good alternative to weights. I am hoping to get this for Christmas. From: Baden low dose naltrexone Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron Tom, Great article! I've been proof of this for over 20 years! Grant it I don't have MS lesions on my spine, therefore am not as disabled as many MSers, but thanks to exercise, "pumping iron" and a positive attitude nothing can stop me. Maybe with this new research, neurologist will start to realize the importance and work with their patience to get some physical therapy with light weights. Thanks again for sharing this with us! From: Bayuk [mailto:tbayuk@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:17 AMMS-Christians ; MS_Community ; mscured ; A Home away from Home a MS Support Board; MSersLife ; MSfriends ; MSViews_Multiple_Sclerosis ; low dose naltrexone ; jjworld Subject: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron News Home Photo Gallery Tech Top Stories Entertainment World Business Politics Tech Travel Sport ABC | AFP | Asia Pulse | ZDNet | ComputerWire Monday November 15, 02:50 PM Pumping iron delivers results for MS patients Researchers in Melbourne have found that exercise can have significant benefits for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS), challenging the conventional medical wisdom. Doctors normally do not recommend that patients with MS do strenuous exercise. A common symptom of the illness is fatigue and many experts believe that doing weights can make it worse. It is also thought that strenuous exercise can affect body temperature and that can then affect nerve conduction for people with MS, exacerbating symptoms like spasticity. But physiotherapists at Melbourne's La Trobe University have found that putting MS patients through weight training is delivering some excellent results. They have found that patients who do weight training not only became physically stronger but have a huge improvement in their ability to perform daily tasks. Joy Hall, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis three years ago, is one of a handful of people who took part in the weight training trial. "It did give me a lot more energy and I just felt generally stronger, very pleased and very positive," Ms Hall said. "I could walk better because I had the dexterity. I could write better. In fact, my writing is back to normal. In fact, everything is better." Dawn Prasad from the MS Society says the trial has also had psychological benefits, including "improved confidence and self-esteem". "People felt stronger so they could do more functional tasks and that improves their feelings of wellbeing," Ms Prasad said. Researchers now want to put larger groups of MS patients through similar fitness programs to see if the benefits can be replicated. Next article: Parents defend spending sex abuse payout Previous article: Melbourne stem cell line freely available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Hi , I sure hope so. I've been at this a long time. The doc's have been saying no sweating or over exercising. Thank God I am somewhat of a stubborn mule, LOL. Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Baden low dose naltrexone Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron Tom, Great article! I've been proof of this for over 20 years! Grant it I don't have MS lesions on my spine, therefore am not as disabled as many MSers, but thanks to exercise, "pumping iron" and a positive attitude nothing can stop me. Maybe with this new research, neurologist will start to realize the importance and work with their patience to get some physical therapy with light weights. Thanks again for sharing this with us! From: Bayuk [mailto:tbayuk@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:17 AMMS-Christians ; MS_Community ; mscured ; A Home away from Home a MS Support Board; MSersLife ; MSfriends ; MSViews_Multiple_Sclerosis ; low dose naltrexone ; jjworld Subject: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron News Home Photo Gallery Tech Top Stories Entertainment World Business Politics Tech Travel Sport ABC | AFP | Asia Pulse | ZDNet | ComputerWire Monday November 15, 02:50 PM Pumping iron delivers results for MS patients Researchers in Melbourne have found that exercise can have significant benefits for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS), challenging the conventional medical wisdom. Doctors normally do not recommend that patients with MS do strenuous exercise. A common symptom of the illness is fatigue and many experts believe that doing weights can make it worse. It is also thought that strenuous exercise can affect body temperature and that can then affect nerve conduction for people with MS, exacerbating symptoms like spasticity. But physiotherapists at Melbourne's La Trobe University have found that putting MS patients through weight training is delivering some excellent results. They have found that patients who do weight training not only became physically stronger but have a huge improvement in their ability to perform daily tasks. Joy Hall, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis three years ago, is one of a handful of people who took part in the weight training trial. "It did give me a lot more energy and I just felt generally stronger, very pleased and very positive," Ms Hall said. "I could walk better because I had the dexterity. I could write better. In fact, my writing is back to normal. In fact, everything is better." Dawn Prasad from the MS Society says the trial has also had psychological benefits, including "improved confidence and self-esteem". "People felt stronger so they could do more functional tasks and that improves their feelings of wellbeing," Ms Prasad said. Researchers now want to put larger groups of MS patients through similar fitness programs to see if the benefits can be replicated. Next article: Parents defend spending sex abuse payout Previous article: Melbourne stem cell line freely available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 So OK then since I almost blackout when doing a longer bit of walking than usual,or about five minutes worth, or one hundred and fifty feet which ever comes first.does that mean I have lesions on my spine also? So far I have not had an MRI since the initial diagnoses as my Dr.s all figure it would perform no usefull function. Of course if I wanted to pay for it myself (but as says this wheelchair ain't no money machine) I could get another MRI.but then as they say what good would it do to know where the lesions are? Would that make me stronger? No I will keep comparing notes and make a determination that way. Reg. -------Original Message------- From: low dose naltrexone Date: 11/15/04 14:19:45 low dose naltrexone Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron Tom, Great article! I've been proof of this for over 20 years! Grant it I don't have MS lesions on my spine, therefore am not as disabled as many MSers, but thanks to exercise, "pumping iron" and a positive attitude nothing can stop me. Maybe with this new research, neurologist will start to realize the importance and work with their patience to get some physical therapy with light weights. Thanks again for sharing this with us! From: Bayuk [mailto:tbayuk@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:17 AMMS-Christians ; MS_Community ; mscured ; A Home away from Home a MS Support Board; MSersLife ; MSfriends ; MSViews_Multiple_Sclerosis ; low dose naltrexone ; jjworld Subject: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 > Researchers in Melbourne have found that exercise can have significant benefits for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS), challenging the conventional medical wisdom. My experience: I've been doing heavy weights (for my size) since I got better on LDN, and had less trouble form fatique and heat. I know it helped with walking and balance. However, I've been working with a physical therapist for the last few weeks who has lots of experience with MS, in retraining the neuromuscular pathways. I have stopped doing the heavy weights for now, to practice more subtle exercieses which help me with balance and coordination. Things like Propreception - agility, the ability to know where your body is, and be able to move it. It is astounding to me when she has me sit on a yoga ball and pushes me a little, I can't get back to center very well, because I can't feel where my body is! So I just wanted to through out a caveat, before you tackle muscle building, try to work with a good PT that can go over these basics, as a foundation. Plus, this is less likely to bring on fatique. Would love to hear from anyone else who has made progress on this front! SammyJo http://LDNers.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I have only had MRIs of the head and neck (not sure why) but agree with you Reg...what good would that do anyway. If the legs arent a movin'....they arent movin'! Have a very hard time with exercise but try to do stretches and squats but am still getting worse. Im sure it works wonders for others but not much for me. Definitely if its working do it ! On 15-Nov-04, at 3:20 PM, Reg Kreil wrote: >  So OK then since I almost blackout when doing a longer bit of walking > than usual,or about five minutes worth, or one hundred and fifty feet > which ever comes first.does that mean I have lesions on my spine also? > So far I have not had an MRI since the initial diagnoses as my Dr.s > all figure it would perform no usefull function. > Of course if I wanted to pay for it myself (but as says this > wheelchair ain't no money machine) I could get another MRI.but then as > they say what good would it do to know where the lesions are? > Would that make me stronger? > No I will keep comparing notes and make a determination that way. > Reg. >  > -------Original Message------- >  > From: low dose naltrexone > Date: 11/15/04 14:19:45 > low dose naltrexone > Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron >  > Tom, > Great article! I've been proof of this for over 20 years! Grant it I > don't have MS lesions on my spine, therefore am not as disabled as > many MSers, but thanks to exercise,  " pumping iron " and a positive > attitude nothing can stop me. Maybe with this new research, > neurologist will start to realize the importance and work with their > patience to get some physical therapy with light weights. Thanks again > for sharing this with us! > > > > From: Bayuk [mailto:tbayuk@...] > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:17 AM > MS-Christians ; MS_Community ; > mscured ; A Home away from Home a MS Support Board; > MSersLife ; MSfriends ; > MSViews_Multiple_Sclerosis ; > low dose naltrexone ; jjworld > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron > > > > >  > > ____________________________________________________ > <image.tiff> IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Lori, This machine looks as though it can accomplish a lot! I just need lot's of people at my health club to motivate me to finish a class or a weight workouts. . . . lol If you've got the motivation, go for it! Thanks to LDN, workouts are a blast! From: Lori [mailto:lorigrady214@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:33 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron http://bigfitness.com/totr20btotog.html check this site to a good alternative to weights. I am hoping to get this for Christmas. From: Baden low dose naltrexone Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron Tom, Great article! I've been proof of this for over 20 years! Grant it I don't have MS lesions on my spine, therefore am not as disabled as many MSers, but thanks to exercise, "pumping iron" and a positive attitude nothing can stop me. Maybe with this new research, neurologist will start to realize the importance and work with their patience to get some physical therapy with light weights. Thanks again for sharing this with us! From: Bayuk [mailto:tbayuk@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:17 AMMS-Christians ; MS_Community ; mscured ; A Home away from Home a MS Support Board; MSersLife ; MSfriends ; MSViews_Multiple_Sclerosis ; low dose naltrexone ; jjworld Subject: [low dose naltrexone] pumping iron News Home Photo Gallery Tech Top Stories Entertainment World Business Politics Tech Travel Sport ABC | AFP | Asia Pulse | ZDNet | ComputerWire Monday November 15, 02:50 PM Pumping iron delivers results for MS patients Researchers in Melbourne have found that exercise can have significant benefits for patients with multiple sclerosis (MS), challenging the conventional medical wisdom. Doctors normally do not recommend that patients with MS do strenuous exercise. A common symptom of the illness is fatigue and many experts believe that doing weights can make it worse. It is also thought that strenuous exercise can affect body temperature and that can then affect nerve conduction for people with MS, exacerbating symptoms like spasticity. But physiotherapists at Melbourne's La Trobe University have found that putting MS patients through weight training is delivering some excellent results. They have found that patients who do weight training not only became physically stronger but have a huge improvement in their ability to perform daily tasks. Joy Hall, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis three years ago, is one of a handful of people who took part in the weight training trial. "It did give me a lot more energy and I just felt generally stronger, very pleased and very positive," Ms Hall said. "I could walk better because I had the dexterity. I could write better. In fact, my writing is back to normal. In fact, everything is better." Dawn Prasad from the MS Society says the trial has also had psychological benefits, including "improved confidence and self-esteem". "People felt stronger so they could do more functional tasks and that improves their feelings of wellbeing," Ms Prasad said. Researchers now want to put larger groups of MS patients through similar fitness programs to see if the benefits can be replicated. Next article: Parents defend spending sex abuse payout Previous article: Melbourne stem cell line freely available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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