Is Hypothyroidism Kidney Failure and do we need thyroxine.

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Hi Sheila- Having looked at thyroid forums, cystitas forums, and

having vent my feelings on a survey being carried out for kidney

patients for Surrey PCT (although under Hampshire I was invited to

join in). We are all being treated in the same way by the NHS and by

GPs alike. My own feelings are that longstanding Hypothyroidism is

caused by Kidney failure, and that the diseases of kidney failure are

simply stages in the process of kidney decline. Like other drugs as

ones kidneys get worse they cannot take the same strengths of drugs.

Thyroxine is the same, but all the coatings etc that are used make

things worse through allergies etc.

I am taking EVOTROX LIQUID not the drug (so no coatings are

involved).I stopped the Evotrox a few weeks ago due to problems that

resolved on stopping it. I again went back to taking it, and again

problems, but for me upset stomache's which it causes plus pain in

the kidneys, my abnormal one in particular.

My feet and hands get very cold, but my feet were bad last night and

very painful. It is no good for a GP to say that ones kidneys are OK,

as there is no test available for CHRONIC KIDNEY FAILURE, only when

ones kidneys have completley failed. To take vitamins can upset ones

kidneys even more as food becomes an overload to ones kidneys, and so

too the same with vitamins. When you go of colour, and you also go

off eating this is how ones body gets rid of toxins from food, and

Hypothyroid is the same thing that transit of food slows down too

leading on too an upset stomache, ailing kidneys lead to water

infections.

Pregnancy places a strain on ones kidneys causing high BP in turn

damaging to a child (I was hospitalised for both my Daughters). I was

warned by the GP then who even apologised for the problems I had in

pregnancy, he told me to finish my family by the age of 30. It is my

guess that both Daughters were damaged, as like myself one was said

to have IBS and the other HYPOTHYROIDISM. This Daughter first became

pregnant while on the pill, but the child had died, but was not

removed until some infection was cleared up, she had two more failed

pregnancies plus a molar pregnancy (partial as there was a baby, but

She managed to get a boy and girl, but the third close after the

second, and AI even tried to warm her that another may not be ok. It

was this child that had to be delivered early due to having stopped

growing for 3 weeks, and her organs were shutting down. Drs said that

her kidneys etc were not damaged (but I hang a question mark on that

now). Her brain was not scanned at birth, but she developed like my

Brother epilepsy at the age of 3. She is now 7 and the damage to the

brain is said to be extensive. My Family are blaming me for this,

neither keep in touch.

To add to this I married the wrong sort of Husband who never helped

in the house, or shopping, or with bringing up the children. He is an

only child to make things worse, so always wanting his own way, and

even resenting it if I was ill (he treated his mother like it at the

end too). His family too were a drinking family, and all males died

from their ailing lungs (my Husband did not smoke). Neither would

seek help when they were ill either, so infection goes round in a

circle.

I am in the process of a Divorce and have got to the first stage, the

finance stage is on the 12th Jan, and the absolute should be in 6

weeks.

There is also a complication to all this, as my Husband had a Power

of attourney made out when he made his will, but things have now

altered, as he is not in a fit state himself to act as Power of

Attourney and I would not like to act as his. My Daughters do not

even keep in touch, so how could they act, and I also do not know if

they are fit to act.

This also applies to being listed as next of kin. As far as Hospitals

go I put down " NO NEXT OF KIN " . The POWER OF ATTOURNEY DOCUMENT,

having sent to the solicitor for it, is already in my custody (not

yet destroyed). Have you any advice here.

At the weekend I looked into MICROCEPHALY which is what my

Grandaughter was said to have, and this linked to PHENYLKETONURIA, in

turn caused by defective enzyme genes. This in turn blocks the path

to TYROSINE, AND THYROXINE, AND ALSO DOPAMINE AND MELANINE.

I was placed on PIMOZIDE for 14 years and already on it when

diagnosed with HYPOTHYROID GLAND. Pimozide blocks DOPAMINE. causing

me more problems plus being placed at the same time on REGULAN, but

this was altered in the ingrediants with ASPARTAME replacing suger to

suit diabetics (not sure this is good for diabetics either). I got

more upset stomaches after this. I had a rough year comming off

PIMOZIDE, found to have breast cancer enduring 3 ops, then anaemia,

and after wrong advice on pushing fluids suffered a water imbalance

which nearly killed me, by the time they admitted me to hospital. I

have in turn suffered from drugs issued

PIMOZIDE being the worst which I believe caused cancer plus other

damage.I have already been in contact with my GP as regards

PHENYLKETONURIA and he has disregarded it despite me having a protein

problem plus problems with being unable to take EVOTROX. He has said

that it does not show in tests, but I cannot see that any tests have

been done to discount this, and no overnight tests on urine have been

done, and any that have, have been done in the morning, so protein

can subside by then. He would not even believe me if I dipstick it at

night myself.

I also tried a tin of SOYA PROTEIN ISOLATE from H & B, but suggest

nobody else has any, as it caused a worse upset stomache, and felt

like I had poisened myself (I did not take much either). I got a

sorry cant help then from my GP despite taking the tin to him. I had

a browse at this again in H & B today, and although there is no

ASPARTAME there is PHENYLALANINE PLUS TYROSINE, but the enzyme

needed is PHENYLALANINE HYDROXYLASE plus a special protein diet which

one has to go through ones GP for, but if one cannot get help, any

ideas to offer could be welcome. I am on benefits so cannot afford

the costs of tests listed.

I am also booked to go away at XMAS and have mentioned that I am

vegetarian, as I do not want to spend another XMAS on my own and also

to tie it in with a visit to my Brother, and so far have not received

a note from my GP in case of ill health while away (in case of errors

in the NHS) although I have requested one.I also have something else

to add as regards the thyroid gland. I also studied my Mothers

records again. She had a large lump removed from the right side of

her neck, and assume it was either part or all of the thyroid gland

but for what reason I do not know (there was a lot of TB in her

Mothers family).

This was in 1910 not NHS then, so what surgery of this sort was like

then I do not know, and if any damage was done at the time to

anything else I don't know, but she was rushed to Hospital with acute

otitis media again on the right side during a flu epidemic. This went

on to cause a brain tumour (she had no control over her temper, and

turned on us). Finally surgery was done when she was 60, but it looks

like there were two tumours. They removed a large meningioma said to

be benign. She was ill again within 6 months, and died two and a half

years later. She was never on thyroxine, so could this fact cause a

tumour or could damage done during removing all or part of the

thyroid gland have led to this.I have already established a link that

this could have caused my abnormal kidney. I am not sure if to place

it on your site as it could worry some, but would welcome advice, and

hope that some things could be useful to you. Can you also tell me

about the natural thyroxine, whats in it where it comes from, and if

it is suited to vegetarians, and is that in turn likely to cause an

upset stomache.

An addition to this today, as I took my EVOTROX to the chemist and

ask them for advice and if they could not give it could I have a

phone number to contact for advice as I could get no help from my GP.

I got in touch with them not long ago, but there were denials about

anything in it that could cause problems until I said well what about

the thyroxine itself causing problems for the illness that is causing

the thyroid problem, and mentioned about my abnormal kidney and the

fact that I was unable to take salt or protein, but I was stilled

fobbed off. I ask outright if thyroxine being a SODIUM was actually

SALT, but I said SALT causes high BP and this is not good for ones

heart or kidneys.

Also as I am going on holiday and having to give my GP a prod on

taking some details on my health with me in case I was taken ill (as

I am not too good), he goes round in circles about providing this

which at first sounds hopeful, and then he decides that he won't. I

had already told him that I wanted to prevent any medical blunders

like removing wrong kidneys if I passed out and was unable to inform

them which side was the abnormal one. From this I now assume that

errors being committed are deliberate in the NHS.

I again bought up about thyroxine, he again says I will be very ill

in 3 months without it, and again I remind him that it is making me

worse, and start to say my Mother had, had part or all of hers

removed when only 5 and was never on thyroxine, but he gives an

excuse on not giving an answer.

Has anyone noticed their BP rising on thyroxine especially when

unable to take salt. Having wanted some toothpaste today, and am now

looking at ingrediants in things more. In all the toothpasts it had

SORBITAL. They place this in things too for DIABETICS who also have

kidney problems and some with thyroid problems also. This is in fact

a laxative and for females to get upset stomaches, in turn causes

water infections.

I eventually came across toothpaste in H & B without fluoride or

sorbital in it.

Children too are developing Diabetis and thyroid problems at an early

age, but look at the crisps all with salt in them (no blue bag to

choose whether to use salt or not)they consume these as soon as they

are weaned in many varieties, but suger replacements can do more harm

than suger.

I dread to think about how much salt was in the lemonade that I was

made to consume, and it had to be the non diet one with suger. I was

told that on this occasion that I flushed out SODIUM but I am not

surprised.I cannot understand why Doctors want to make me worse and

if its hatred having been struck off twice, and does anybody else

feel as I do.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

It would make more sense if it was the other way around, ie, that

failing thyriod function causes kidney failure.

best wishes

Bob

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> Do the scientists on this forum have any comments about Kathleen's

> theory please? I must admit to never having heard about

> hypothyroidism being caused through kidney failure, but then I still

> have a lot to learn.

[Guest guest]

HI SHEILA-

Kidney failure places stress on the liver, so in turn that

could lead to Hypothyroidism, if you have kidney problems you go on

to suffer from allergies too. There are no liver problems in our

family. The Husband could through being a dependant drinker of

beer " if so can it be passed on " , and to the family. I gave the GP a

reminder on some sort of itinary on my health to take on hol, at

first it looked good saying it consisted of 3 a4 pages but could get

it onto one, but then decides he will not. I will however place a

notice in a body belt with a warning on which side has an abnormal

kidney. Anybody know how close the liver is to the right kidney. My

GP has already said the liver and adrenal gland are ok.

> Do the scientists on this forum have any comments about Kathleen's

> theory please? I must admit to never having heard about

> hypothyroidism being caused through kidney failure, but then I

> still have a lot to learn.

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[Guest guest]

Sheila,

You wrote:

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> Do the scientists on this forum have any comments about Kathleen's

> theory please? I must admit to never having heard about hypothyroidism

> being caused through kidney failure, but then I still have a lot to learn...

Kidneys are certainly important, but it is quite possible to have

thyroiditis of one form or another without any kidney impairment.

Chuck

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Bob,

You wrote:

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> It would make more sense if it was the other way around, ie, that

> failing thyriod function causes kidney failure.

Kidney failure is certainly part of myxedema coma, but then everything

fails, not just kidneys. I don't think that was her speculation.

Chuck

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HI SHEILA- My GP has informed me that it is a lot of BUNKHAM that the

liver or thyroid problem can be connected, but he will include a

liver test the next time blood tests are done.

I also reminded him that I had in the past took an overdose of

PARACETAMOL that is damaging to the liver.

He also said the liver rejuvenates itself, lets face it a small piece

of liver for a transplant is all that is needed to replace a whole

liver.

I think people are poisening their thyroid glands with all the drugs

given.

> > Do the scientists on this forum have any comments about Kathleen's

> > theory please? I must admit to never having heard about

> > hypothyroidism being caused through kidney failure, but then I

> > still have a lot to learn.

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