Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Have you tested your thyroid? Even with lab tests, thyroid labs can be misleading and this is one of the reasonswe have so many people with fibro and cfs,the labs look good so the dr treats the labs instead of the patient. My labs are off the chart for T3 so if my dr were treating my labs I'd be bald and bedridden. Dr Lowe has done extensive work with fibro and thyroid. I had fibro and it went away when I got on enough thyroid meds. Go to www.drlowe.com and read about thyroid,cfs and fibro. While Dr St Amand might be a great dr I believe he uses the Guaifenesin Protocol which will not treat a thyroid deficienty. You don't want to get rid of fibro pain with Guaifenesin Protocol and still have an untreated thyroid. Finding a good dr that will take medical is almost impossible so I feel for your situation. A quick self test is to take your temp for a couple weeks on awakening and then again through out the day to see if you are in a hypo metabolic state which is the real cause of cfs,fibro. There are several drs in Ventura,Santa ,LA but I don't know if they take medical. > > I live in the northernmost part of Los Angeles, Santa Clarita, and > need to find a good doctor/naturalpath that will take Medi-Cal and > Medicaid. I am almost done having my amalgan fillings removed and > would like help for myself and my daughter with all of the testing and > chelation and health issues. I'm close to the San Valley, or > I could go the other way to Palmdale/Lancaster. Thanks so much, > everyone, for all your help. I just got approved for Social Security > Disability which gives me Medi-Cal and Medicaid so I can finally > afford to see a doctor. I'm dealing with CFS, major depression, and > fibromyalgia. The iodine seems to be helping with many of my symptoms. > > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Mark and ladyhawkblue, Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely different illnesses and require different treatments. It is possible to be both hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated for both illnesses. The symptoms of both can overlap making it imperative to have proper testing to find out exactly what is causing the symptoms. Unfortunately there is no blood test for fms/cfs and most doctors do a number of tests to rule out the possibility of other things first. An under active or missing thyroid gland will not cause fms/cfs. If a person is put on the correct dosage of thyroid hormones and their " fms-like " symptoms go away than that person does not have fms/cfs. They are hypothyroid and have been treated correctly for their illness. FMS/CFS is caused by a genetic defect wherein the kidneys do not excrete excess phosphate causing the cells in the body to accumulate more and more phosphate over the years creating havoc for the person who has this defect. Dr St Amand has found that his guaifenesin protocol will push out the excess phosphate allowing the person with fms/cfs to get well. Dr St Amand uses body mapping to tell if the person is on the correct dosage and is not blocked by salicylates. http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/GuaiProtocol.htm Here's to good health! Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 you might want to look at http://www.fibromyalgiarecovery.com I think they have success with Armour, cortef and iodine. Gracia Mark and ladyhawkblue,Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely different illnesses and require different treatments. It is possible to be both hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated for both illnesses. The symptoms of both can overlap making it imperative to have proper testing to find out exactly what is causing the symptoms. Unfortunately there is no blood test for fms/cfs and most doctors do a number of tests to rule out the possibility of other things first. An under active or missing thyroid gland will not cause fms/cfs. If a person is put on the correct dosage of thyroid hormones and their "fms-like" symptoms go away than that person does not have fms/cfs. They are hypothyroid and have been treated correctly for their illness.FMS/CFS is caused by a genetic defect wherein the kidneys do not excrete excess phosphate causing the cells in the body to accumulate more and more phosphate over the years creating havoc for the person who has this defect. Dr St Amand has found that his guaifenesin protocol will push out the excess phosphate allowing the person with fms/cfs to get well. Dr St Amand uses body mapping to tell if the person is on the correct dosage and is not blocked by salicylates.http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/GuaiProtocol.htmHere's to good health!Janet No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 mark, can u please provide some references or links re: fluoride compounds in SSRI's. Very interesting. --- Original Message --- From: " mark abbott " <zen91351@...> Sent:Sun 12/14/08 9:33 pm To:iodine Subj:Re: Re: good doctors in L.A. Janet and Gracia, thanks for the info and the links. I've never been diagnosed with FMS by a doctor. My symptoms would flair up when I pushed myself way too hard with very little sleep. I have been shown to have major food allergies to wheat and eggs, and the CFS almost completely disappeared when I thoroughly eliminated them from my diet, but crops up from time to time quite inexplicably. Since starting with iodine several months ago I have felt quite a bit better. I haven't had the benefit of a doctor's help with anything since losing my job in 2003, and even then it was a Kaiser doctor so I didn't get anything other than the mainstream medical point of view (he said there wasn't anything he could do about the CFS. When I finally went to a nutritionally-oriented shrink who did food allergy testing and eliminated the offending foods I felt great after only several days. My Kaiser doctor couldn't believe that there was a connection, he wanted to know how I got well). Major depression has been my biggest problem, and exercise and sunshine seem to be the best therapies to alleviate it. Although I've used SSRIs since Prozac came out twenty years ago, I was dismayed to find out that most of them are made out of flouride compounds. With the last of my amalgan fillings out now, and with my history of working in industries that contribute to heavy metal toxicity, I am hopeful that I can obtain good mental health with the chelation I'll be starting next week when I get my supplements and a copy of Andy Cutler's book. If not, then at least I only have to put up with it for another couple of years until the world ends in 2012 (LOL, but who knows???). Mark From: Gracia <circe@...> Subject: Re: Re: good doctors in L.A. iodine Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 4:28 PM Â you might want to look at http://www.fibromya lgiarecovery. com I think they have success with Armour, cortef and iodine. Gracia Mark and ladyhawkblue, Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely different illnesses and require different treatments. It is possible to be both hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated for both illnesses. The symptoms of both can overlap making it imperative to have proper testing to find out exactly what is causing the symptoms. Unfortunately there is no blood test for fms/cfs and most doctors do a number of tests to rule out the possibility of other things first. An under active or missing thyroid gland will not cause fms/cfs. If a person is put on the correct dosage of thyroid hormones and their " fms-like " symptoms go away than that person does not have fms/cfs. They are hypothyroid and have been treated correctly for their illness. FMS/CFS is caused by a genetic defect wherein the kidneys do not excrete excess phosphate causing the cells in the body to accumulate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Janet and Gracia, thanks for the info and the links. I've never been diagnosed with FMS by a doctor. My symptoms would flair up when I pushed myself way too hard with very little sleep. I have been shown to have major food allergies to wheat and eggs, and the CFS almost completely disappeared when I thoroughly eliminated them from my diet, but crops up from time to time quite inexplicably. Since starting with iodine several months ago I have felt quite a bit better. I haven't had the benefit of a doctor's help with anything since losing my job in 2003, and even then it was a Kaiser doctor so I didn't get anything other than the mainstream medical point of view (he said there wasn't anything he could do about the CFS. When I finally went to a nutritionally-oriented shrink who did food allergy testing and eliminated the offending foods I felt great after only several days. My Kaiser doctor couldn't believe that there was a connection, he wanted to know how I got well). Major depression has been my biggest problem, and exercise and sunshine seem to be the best therapies to alleviate it. Although I've used SSRIs since Prozac came out twenty years ago, I was dismayed to find out that most of them are made out of flouride compounds. With the last of my amalgan fillings out now, and with my history of working in industries that contribute to heavy metal toxicity, I am hopeful that I can obtain good mental health with the chelation I'll be starting next week when I get my supplements and a copy of Andy Cutler's book.If not, then at least I only have to put up with it for another couple of years until the world ends in 2012 (LOL, but who knows???). MarkFrom: Gracia <circe@...>Subject: Re: Re: good doctors in L.A.iodine Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 4:28 PM you might want to look at http://www.fibromya lgiarecovery. com I think they have success with Armour, cortef and iodine. Gracia Mark and ladyhawkblue,Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely different illnesses and require different treatments. It is possible to be both hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated for both illnesses. The symptoms of both can overlap making it imperative to have proper testing to find out exactly what is causing the symptoms. Unfortunately there is no blood test for fms/cfs and most doctors do a number of tests to rule out the possibility of other things first. An under active or missing thyroid gland will not cause fms/cfs. If a person is put on the correct dosage of thyroid hormones and their "fms-like" symptoms go away than that person does not have fms/cfs. They are hypothyroid and have been treated correctly for their illness.FMS/CFS is caused by a genetic defect wherein the kidneys do not excrete excess phosphate causing the cells in the body to accumulate more and more phosphate over the years creating havoc for the person who has this defect. Dr St Amand has found that his guaifenesin protocol will push out the excess phosphate allowing the person with fms/cfs to get well. Dr St Amand uses body mapping to tell if the person is on the correct dosage and is not blocked by salicylates.http://www.fibromya lgiatreatment. com/GuaiProtocol .htmHere's to good health!Janet No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Note that fluoxetine is a fluoride compound! See below. From Merriam Webster's dictionary: SSRI : any of a class of antidepressants (as fluoxetine) that inhibit the inactivation of serotonin by blocking its reuptake by presynaptic neuron endings ¯ called also selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor > From: Gracia <circe@...> > Subject: Re: Re: good doctors in L.A. > iodine > Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 4:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > you might want to look at http://www.fibromya lgiarecovery. com > > I think they have success with Armour, cortef > and iodine. > Gracia > > > Mark and ladyhawkblue, > > Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely > different illnesses and require different treatments. It is possible to be > both hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated for > both illnesses. The symptoms of both can overlap making it imperative to have > proper testing to find out exactly what is causing the symptoms. Unfortunately > there is no blood test for fms/cfs and most doctors do a number of tests to > rule out the possibility of other things first. > > An under active or > missing thyroid gland will not cause fms/cfs. If a person is put on the > correct dosage of thyroid hormones and their " fms-like " symptoms go away than > that person does not have fms/cfs. They are hypothyroid and have been treated > correctly for their illness. > > FMS/CFS is caused by a genetic defect > wherein the kidneys do not excrete excess phosphate causing the cells in the > body to accumulate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 According to the Physician's Drug Reference (PDR), several anti- depressants have fluorine in the chemical formula, and one also has bromine. However, there are others which do not. Some chemical formulas from the PDR These have Fluorine and/or bromine: Paxil (-)-trans-4R-(4 & #8242;-fluorophenyl)-3S-[(3 & #8242;,4 & #8242;-methylenedioxyphenox\ y) . The empirical formula is (C19H20FNO3•HCl•1/2H2O). Celexa (±)-1-(3-dimethylaminopropyl)-1-(4-fluorophenyl)-1,3- dihydroisobenzofuran-5-carbonitrile, Hydrobromide. The empirical formula is (C20H22BrFN2O) Lexapro S-(+)-1-[3-(dimethyl-amino)propyl]-1-(p-fluorophenyl)-5- phthalancarbonitrile oxalate. The empirical formula is (C20H21FN2O • C2H2O4) These two do not have fluorine: Wellbutrin (±)-1-(3-chlorophenyl)-2 - [(1,1 - dimethylethyl)amino] - 1 - propanone hydrochloride. The empirical formula is (C13H18ClNO•HCl) Zoloft (1S-cis)-4-(3,4-dichlorophenyl)-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-N-methyl-1- naphthalenamine hydrochloride. The empirical formula is (C17H17NCl2•HCl). Rose > > mark, can u please provide some references or links re: fluoride compounds in SSRI's. Very interesting. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Janet I beg to differ with you . There is a lot of research being done on the connection between thyroid and CFS and Fibro.The problem is that a lot of your doc in the box drs don't have a clue and are stuck in medical protocol and have no real medical curiosity. It is true that there are many components to both diseases here is a typical scenario Take a person with amalgam fillings,who doesn't detox well.They accumulate mercury. Mercury will lower the immune system and attack the thyroid,setting them up for allergies candida,lyme and a host of other infections which will then be diagnosed as the cause of their CFS or Fibro.Meanwhile the root cause of either the infection or the thryoid problems are never addressed. You mentioned phosphates.Did you know that people with low thyroid do know excrete phosphates well.So here again you have thyroid at the root of the problem.You can test phosphate excretion with an aquarium kit and your urine.What I have found online on the genetic defect and phosphate accumulation states that it " may " be a defect.It sounds as though this is only theory because I don't see any definite conclusions that there is a gene defect just a supposition. I can attest to all of the above,mercury,fibro,phosphate accumulation. Maybe Mark feels better on iodine because it gets his thyroid working better. Chantal > Mark and ladyhawkblue, > > Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely different illnesses and require different treatments. It is possible to be both hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated for both illnesses. The symptoms of both can overlap making it imperative to have proper testing to find out exactly what is causing the symptoms. Unfortunately there is no blood test for fms/cfs and most doctors do a number of tests to rule out the possibility of other things first. > > An under active or missing thyroid gland will not cause fms/cfs. If a person is put on the correct dosage of thyroid hormones and their " fms-like " symptoms go away than that person does not have fms/cfs. They are hypothyroid and have been treated correctly for their illness. > > FMS/CFS is caused by a genetic defect wherein the kidneys do not excrete excess phosphate causing the cells in the body to accumulate more and more phosphate over the years creating havoc for the person who has this defect. Dr St Amand has found that his guaifenesin protocol will push out the excess phosphate allowing the person with fms/cfs to get well. Dr St Amand uses body mapping to tell if the person is on the correct dosage and is not blocked by salicylates. > http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/GuaiProtocol.htm > > Here's to good health! > Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I disagree. I think that they symptoms that are diagnosed as fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are often symptoms of hypothyroidism. For years, doctors treated patients with dessicated thyroid and considered these to be symptoms of hypothyroidism, not separate conditions. There very well may be other problems that give the same symptoms, but given the prevalence of hypothyroidism and other thyroid problems in the population most of the people who are told they have fibro or CFS are actually subclinically hypothyroid and need treatment with dessicated thyroid. Doctors have told me that fibromyalgia and CFS are considered garbage can diagnoses that are given to a patient when all else has been ruled out. My own doctor agreed with that to a point, but said he believed I had one or both of them regardless and needed to see a rheumatologist for a definite diagnosis and proper treatment. I fired that doctor, didn't go to the rheumatologist but instead found a doctor who knew how to treat with dessicated thyroid and iodine and treat adrenal fatigue and I am free of the fibro and CFS symptoms. > > > Mark and ladyhawkblue, > > Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely different illnesses > and require different treatments. It is possible to be both > hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated > for both illnesses. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Mark, I had migraines from Mid August thru September and noticed that salsa would stop them. So figured out that cilantro made the difference even just one sprig. I googled on cilantro and detoxification and there are recipes listed at doctor conferences using cilantro and few others to get the mercury and other heavy metals out of the brain. The other ingredients get the heavy metals out of the body. I am still working on healing my liver first with silymarin or milk thistle because had a gallstone block it 3 years ago and 2 surgeries. Anyway it seems like something you might consider to add to your path of healing. It was quite fascinating but I haven't been able to use that yet myself. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 As has recently explained, cilantro is indeed a great chelator, but it's method of operation isn't understood and Andy Cutler recommends strongly against it because it may chelate heavy metals out of relatively benign storage sites in the body and deposit them into the brain and central nervous system where they cause major damage and are hard to remove. Although there are many, many controversial differences of opinion regarding chelation and heavy metal toxicity and iodine, I am going to go with whatever advice and protocols that Andy recommends. His book and my DMSA should show up in the mail any day now, and I'm excited! MarkFrom: Pamela Valley <2007pams@...>Subject: Re: Re: good doctors in L.A.iodine Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:02 AM Mark, I had migraines from Mid August thru September and noticed that salsa would stop them. So figured out that cilantro made the difference even just one sprig. I googled on cilantro and detoxification and there are recipes listed at doctor conferences using cilantro and few others to get the mercury and other heavy metals out of the brain. The other ingredients get the heavy metals out of the body. I am still working on healing my liver first with silymarin or milk thistle because had a gallstone block it 3 years ago and 2 surgeries. Anyway it seems like something you might consider to add to your path of healing. It was quite fascinating but I haven't been able to use that yet myself. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 His book is extremely scattered. He cannot hold a train of thought. I read it and was not impressed. I did not follow his protocol. I followed the one laid out by Dr. Brownstein for me. According to Andy Cutler I should be extremely brain damaged by what I did to chelate. But I am not. There are many who have had good luck with cilantro, chlorella and DMSA (which is me). I think it is one of those areas that is very individual. Unfortunately it is not like taking a supplement that doesn't make you feel better or makes you feel bad. This can do damage (either protocol - I am convinced). My best advice is to detox your body and liver / kidneys before starting chelation so that you are ready to handle the dumping of toxins. I detoxed for 2 years prior to removing my amalgams and chelating. Re: Re: good doctors in L.A.iodine Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:02 AM Mark,I had migraines from Mid August thru September and noticed that salsawould stop them. So figured out that cilantro made the difference evenjust one sprig. I googled on cilantro and detoxification and there arerecipes listed at doctor conferences using cilantro and few others toget the mercury and other heavy metals out of the brain. The otheringredients get the heavy metals out of the body. I am still workingon healing my liver first with silymarin or milk thistle because had agallstone block it 3 years ago and 2 surgeries. Anyway it seems likesomething you might consider to add to your path of healing. It wasquite fascinating but I haven't been able to use that yet myself. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 AARRGGHHH, I thought Andy was the last word on chelation! Perhaps I'll buy Dr. Brownstein's book. I'm a member of the heavy metal chelation group, maybe I should try the frequent-dose-chelation group.Mark From: Pamela Valley <2007pamsgmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Re: good doctors in L.A.iodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:02 AM Mark,I had migraines from Mid August thru September and noticed that salsawould stop them. So figured out that cilantro made the difference evenjust one sprig. I googled on cilantro and detoxification and there arerecipes listed at doctor conferences using cilantro and few others toget the mercury and other heavy metals out of the brain. The otheringredients get the heavy metals out of the body. I am still workingon healing my liver first with silymarin or milk thistle because had agallstone block it 3 years ago and 2 surgeries. Anyway it seems likesomething you might consider to add to your path of healing. It wasquite fascinating but I haven't been able to use that yet myself. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Chantal, You are correct that research is ongoing and the more on fms/cfs the better. The City of Hope in Duarte, CA (suburbs of Los Angeles) is doing research on fms/cfs and specifically with relationship to Dr St Amand's guai protocol and also to find the specific genes involved with fms/cfs. They have presented a preliminary finding: http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/233/9/1171 Dr St Amand commented on this finding in a bit more of plain English: http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=8940 & t=CFIDS_FM There's definitely a lot more research that needs to be done. However, Dr St Amand has treated over 10,000 patients successfully with his guaifenesin protocol. When I first met him I asked if a high percentage of people with fms/cfs were hypothyroid and he informed me only about 25% are. He uses body mapping to determine the extent of fms/cfs. A person who is only hypoT would not have the tell-tale lumps and bumps from head to feet that a fibromyalgic has. After completely reversing on the guai protocol, all the lumps and bumps go away and will stay away as long as the person stays on the protocol. St Amand does not do any urine tests for phosphates as he has found they are not accurate. Thankfully Dr St Amand has thought outside the box for many years now and to the betterment of his 10,000+ patients. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I'd like to jump in with my two cents worth, but I'm not trying to stir the pot. I've been on the guaifeninsen protocol and it absolutely DOES WORK. I went from feeling like I'd been run over by a freight train to having all trigger points resolved -- within a 6 month period back in 1995 when Dr. Armand first published his protocol on the 'net. I am a BIG fan of Armand!!! Getting good quality sleep is the key, at least for me, to keep the body aches away. For me, I didn't have to consciously take a calcium carbonate tablet with meals to bind the phosphates. Once the quai released the phosphate from the tissues (Btw, you'll know when you're on enough guai because your pee suddenly becomes hot and burns -- first morning pee anyway. You can compensate during the day by drinking enough water.) that once the trigger point knots were resolved, taking elavil at night to help me sleep kept them from coming back. I kept the fibromyalgia at bay that way for years until my thyroid and adrenals were so sluggish that the aches came back, especially when I went through the bouts of insomnia. I also want to add that when I went to the doctor complaining of aching all over and fatigue, he did a thyroid panel. But back in 1995, the TSH level was so high, my hypothyroid looked normal -- even though I had other hypo symptoms, cold hands and feet, took a long time to wake up in the morning, etc. I took him the article on fibromyalgia that one of the magazines had and said " This is me " . When I found Dr. Armand's quai protocol, I took it to him and asked if I could try it. His response was that guai is harmless so if it doesn't work it won't hurt you. If only had been around then to tell me I needed iodine, I might not be on armour today. sigh! So having both and finally having access to armour, I'd say it is possible to treat fibromyalgia with the guifeninsen even if you are hypothyroid. Getting armour, iodine and treating your adrenals along with the guiafeninsen would be even better. Lorie > > I disagree. I think that they symptoms that are diagnosed as > fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are often symptoms of > hypothyroidism. For years, doctors treated patients with dessicated > thyroid and considered these to be symptoms of hypothyroidism, not > separate conditions. > > There very well may be other problems that give the same symptoms, but > given the prevalence of hypothyroidism and other thyroid problems in the > population most of the people who are told they have fibro or CFS are > actually subclinically hypothyroid and need treatment with dessicated > thyroid. > > Doctors have told me that fibromyalgia and CFS are considered garbage > can diagnoses that are given to a patient when all else has been ruled > out. My own doctor agreed with that to a point, but said he believed I > had one or both of them regardless and needed to see a rheumatologist > for a definite diagnosis and proper treatment. I fired that doctor, > didn't go to the rheumatologist but instead found a doctor who knew how > to treat with dessicated thyroid and iodine and treat adrenal fatigue > and I am free of the fibro and CFS symptoms. > > > > > > > > > Mark and ladyhawkblue, > > > > Hypothyroidism and fms/cfs are two completely different illnesses > > and require different treatments. It is possible to be both > > hypothyroid and have fibro and that person would need to be treated > > for both illnesses. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hi Lorie - This is the first time I've heard of trigger points resolving by something other than (very painful) massage. Are you saying the guaifeninsen (btw isn't that an expectorant?) made them go away? I'm very interested in this because my legs are full of trigger points and I've had no luck getting them resolved even after lots of massage. Thanks! Laurel > > I'd like to jump in with my two cents worth, but I'm not trying to > stir the pot. I've been on the guaifeninsen protocol and it > absolutely DOES WORK. I went from feeling like I'd been run over by a > freight train to having all trigger points resolved -- within a 6 > month period back in 1995 when Dr. Armand first published his protocol > on the 'net. I am a BIG fan of Armand!!! > > Getting good quality sleep is the key, at least for me, to keep the > body aches away. For me, I didn't have to consciously take a calcium > carbonate tablet with meals to bind the phosphates. Once the quai > released the phosphate from the tissues (Btw, you'll know when you're > on enough guai because your pee suddenly becomes hot and burns -- > first morning pee anyway. You can compensate during the day by > drinking enough water.) that once the trigger point knots were > resolved, taking elavil at night to help me sleep kept them from > coming back. > > I kept the fibromyalgia at bay that way for years until my thyroid and > adrenals were so sluggish that the aches came back, especially when I > went through the bouts of insomnia. > > I also want to add that when I went to the doctor complaining of > aching all over and fatigue, he did a thyroid panel. But back in > 1995, the TSH level was so high, my hypothyroid looked normal -- even > though I had other hypo symptoms, cold hands and feet, took a long > time to wake up in the morning, etc. I took him the article on > fibromyalgia that one of the magazines had and said " This is me " . > When I found Dr. Armand's quai protocol, I took it to him and asked if > I could try it. His response was that guai is harmless so if it > doesn't work it won't hurt you. If only had been around > then to tell me I needed iodine, I might not be on armour today. sigh! > > So having both and finally having access to armour, I'd say it is > possible to treat fibromyalgia with the guifeninsen even if you are > hypothyroid. Getting armour, iodine and treating your adrenals along > with the guiafeninsen would be even better. > > Lorie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Excuse me! Cilantro is one of the main ingredients in salsa all over Latin America and some parts of Europe. Western civilization is still alive so I would call your info rubbish! Pardon my French blood. Alvarado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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