Re: Palpitations & Magnesium Aspartate

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My doctor listened to my heart, my carotid artery and my BP a few days

ago and said the BP was high (although lower than previous reading a few

weeks ago) and the artery and aorta were " turbulent " , which she

thought indicated a " stiff " aorta (see my original messages

under " Palpitations " ). I haven't had an ultrasound yet

but because I asked for non-drug modalities first, she recommended

'Blackmore's' magnesium aspartate (Australia) . I bought it

yesterday (K Mag = potassium aspartate 250 mg & magnesium aspartate

250 mg) and it says to take 1 or 2 tablets X 3 daily with meals. It

IS very expensive. I also use topical magnesium but it obviously

hasn't been sufficient.

Given my painful response to iodine, and the palpitations that worsened

when taking it, Celtic salt loading and Vit C, I've dropped the first 2;

although I do still have a good bit of the salt on food. I can't

help thinking that I need to continue with them for many reasons (but

particularly because of the huge [13 cm], bi lateral, multiple, fluid

filled cysts on my ovaries), however, I've heard that low doses of iodine

can be counter productive and I can't see myself managing a high

dose. Does anyone think that I can slowly work up with the iodine

and salt loading without consequences and derive some improvement from

them over time.

I'm waiting on adrenal, thyroid, Vit D, Insulin and several other lab

results.

Any feedback on the above welcome.

Thanks in advance.........LD

Posted by: " DrDvorak " drdvorak@...

dennis_dvorak: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:25 am (PDT)

" One of the things I trained on quite a while ago was aspartate ,

and by reason of the fact of the onset of senility, and my advanced state

of

decomposition, I forgot most of that stuff. Aspartate/Arginate/Oratate

are all " carriers " to aid in transport of magnesium to various

parts of the cell. Aspertate carries the mineral to the inner layer of

the outer cell membrane. Oratate carries it into the cell, most notably

to the

mitochondria. You might do a search on Hans Nieper and his Mineral

Transporters, as he's a guru in the area. I only buy products from

sources that do not sell to end use consumers, so I do not know if the

product is regulated. I do know that the aforementioned sources of

magnesium are more readily assimilable. They are considerably more

expensive. Hope this helps. " Dennis Dvorak NMD

[Guest guest]

you probly need adrenal support which will make a big difference in how you tolerate iodine, but I am skeptical of the conventional adrenal testing. It always comes back "normal". It did in my case, and I still take cortef.

Gracia

Hi, My doctor listened to my heart, my carotid artery and my BP a few days ago and said the BP was high (although lower than previous reading a few weeks ago) and the artery and aorta were "turbulent", which she thought indicated a "stiff" aorta (see my original messages under "Palpitations"). I haven't had an ultrasound yet but because I asked for non-drug modalities first, she recommended 'Blackmore's' magnesium aspartate (Australia) . I bought it yesterday (K Mag = potassium aspartate 250 mg & magnesium aspartate 250 mg) and it says to take 1 or 2 tablets X 3 daily with meals. It IS very expensive. I also use topical magnesium but it obviously hasn't been sufficient. Given my painful response to iodine, and the palpitations that worsened when taking it, Celtic salt loading and Vit C, I've dropped the first 2; although I do still have a good bit of the salt on food. I can't help thinking that I need to continue with them for many reasons (but particularly because of the huge [13 cm], bi lateral, multiple, fluid filled cysts on my ovaries), however, I've heard that low doses of iodine can be counter productive and I can't see myself managing a high dose. Does anyone think that I can slowly work up with the iodine and salt loading without consequences and derive some improvement from them over time.I'm waiting on adrenal, thyroid, Vit D, Insulin and several other lab results.Any feedback on the above welcome.Thanks in advance.........LD

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[Guest guest]

Thank you. I'll do some research and discuss it with my doc. She's

quite ok with alternative and 'spiritual' issues. Does licorice help

anyone here?

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the local

public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with palpitations,

chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest and

throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by

day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it

checked out. I had no sleep the night before because of these

symptoms and I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out that

nothing urgent was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor at

home for me along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the heart

urgency issue but everything indicated there'd been no past

degeneration of the heart and other muscles and the blood test and

x-ray further ruled out any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what my

BP was when I arrived at the ED but by the time I was taken into a

cubicle and hooked up, it seems my BP was ok. I haven't a clue what

is going on with this as, although I've always been conscious of my

heart beat and pulse in general, and always aware when there seemed to

be a bit of a struggle, usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is

new for it to be like this when I'm observing my diet. I think it

must be due to something I'm taking or doing but so far I haven't been

able to pin it down. It's calmer today. I've started the Blackmore's

Mak K my doc suggested (at 2 X 3 daily with meals) and I also started

an experiment with Vit D.

I'm still waiting on results for tests listed below.

Thanks for listening.......LD

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>you probly

need adrenal support which will make a big difference in how you

tolerate iodine, but I am skeptical of the conventional adrenal

testing. It always comes back " normal " . It did in my case, and I

still take cortef. Gracia

>

> Hi, >My doctor listened to my heart, my carotid artery and my BP

a few days ago and said the BP was high (although lower than previous

reading a few weeks ago) and the artery and aorta were " turbulent " ,

which she thought indicated a " stiff " aorta (see my original messages

under " Palpitations " ). I haven't had an ultrasound yet but because I

asked for non-drug modalities first, she recommended 'Blackmore's'

magnesium aspartate (Australia) . I bought it yesterday (K Mag =

potassium aspartate 250 mg & magnesium aspartate 250 mg) and it says

to take 1 or 2 tablets X 3 daily with meals. It IS very expensive. I

also use topical magnesium but it obviously hasn't been sufficient.

>

> Given my painful response to iodine, and the palpitations that

worsened when taking it, Celtic salt loading and Vit C, I've dropped

the first 2; although I do still have a good bit of the salt on food.

I can't help thinking that I need to continue with them for many

reasons (but particularly because of the huge [13 cm], bi lateral,

multiple, fluid filled cysts on my ovaries), however, I've heard that

low doses of iodine can be counter productive and I can't see myself

managing a high dose. Does anyone think that I can slowly work up

with the iodine and salt loading without consequences and derive some

improvement from them over time.

>

> I'm waiting on adrenal, thyroid, Vit D, Insulin and several other

lab results.

>

> Any feedback on the above welcome.

>

> Thanks in advance.........LD

>

[Guest guest]

From Dr.Hyman who founded Canyon Ranch.

My father went to one of his associates and he takes magnesium taurate

for his heart

http://www.ultrawellness.com/blog/magnesium-relaxation-mineral

Published on UltraWellness - Your Key to Lifelong Health and Vitality

(http://www.ultrawellness.com)

Magnesium: The most powerful relaxation mineral available...

A deficiency in this critical nutrient makes you are twice as likely to

die as other people, according to a study published in the journal

" Critical Care. "

It also accounts for a long list of symptoms and diseases -- which are

easily helped and often cured by adding this nutrient.

In fact, in my practice, this nutrient is one of my secret weapons

against illness.

Yet up to half of Americans are deficient in this nutrient and don't

know it.

What is it?

I'm talking about magnesium.

It is an antidote to stress and the most powerful relaxation mineral.

I find it very funny that more doctors aren't clued in to the benefits

of magnesium, because we use it all the time in conventional medicine.

But we never stop to think about why or how important it is to our

general health or why it helps our bodies function better.

I remember using magnesium when I worked in the emergency room. It was a

critical " medication " on the crash cart. If someone was dying of a

life-threatening arrhythmia (or irregular heart beat), we used

intravenous magnesium.

If someone was constipated or needed to prepare for colonoscopy, we gave

them milk of magnesia or a green bottle of liquid magnesium citrate,

which emptied their bowels.

If pregnant women came in with pre-term labor, or high blood pressure of

pregnancy (pre-eclampsia) or seizures, we gave them continuous high

doses of intravenous magnesium.

But you don't have to be in the hospital to benefit from getting more

magnesium.

Think of magnesium as the relaxation mineral.

Anything that is tight, irritable, crampy, and stiff -- whether it is a

body part or an even a mood -- is a sign of magnesium deficiency.

Why?

Well, this critical mineral is responsible for over 300 enzyme reactions

and is found in all of your tissues -- but mainly, bone, muscle, and

brain.

It is necessary for your cells to make energy, for many different

chemical pumps to work, to stabilize membranes, and to help muscles relax.

The list of conditions that are found related to magnesium deficiency is

very long.

In fact, there are over 3,500 medical references on magnesium deficiency!

But this mineral is mostly ignored because it is not a drug, even though

it is MORE powerful than drugs in many cases. That's why we use it in

the hospital for life-threatening and emergency situations like seizures

and heart failure.

You might be magnesium deficient if you have any of the following symptoms:

* muscle cramps or twitches

* insomnia

* irritability

* sensitivity to loud noises

* anxiety

* autism

* ADD

* palpitations

* angina

* constipation

* anal spasms

* headaches

* migraines

* fibromyalgia

* chronic fatigue

* asthma

* kidney stones

* diabetes

* obesity

* osteoporosis

* high blood pressure

* PMS

* menstrual cramps

* irritable bladder

* irritable bowel syndrome

* reflux

* trouble swallowing

Magnesium deficiency has even has been linked to inflammation in the

body and higher CRP levels.

So how bad is this problem?

In our society, it's huge.

By conservative standards of measurement (blood, or serum, magnesium

levels), 65 percent of people admitted to the intensive care unit -- and

about 15 percent of the general population -- have magnesium deficiency.

But this seriously underestimates the problem, because a serum magnesium

level is the LEAST sensitive way to detect a drop in your total body

magnesium level.

So rates of magnesium deficiency could be even higher!

Why are we so deficient?

The answer is simple: Many of us eat a diet that contains practically no

magnesium -- a highly processed, refined diet that is based mostly on

white flour, meat, and dairy (all of which have no magnesium).

When was the last time you had a good dose of sea vegetables (seaweed),

nuts, greens, and beans? If you are like most Americans, your nut

consumption mostly comes from peanut butter, and mostly in chocolate

peanut butter cups.

Our processed diet contains almost no magnesium.

It is also often poorly absorbed and easily lost from our bodies.

A recent scientific review of magnesium concluded, " It is highly

regrettable that the deficiency of such an inexpensive, low-toxicity

nutrient results in diseases that cause incalculable suffering and

expense throughout the world. " (Med Hypotheses 2001 Feb; 56(2): 163-70)

To absorb magnesium we need a lot of it in our diet, plus enough

vitamins B6 and D and selenium to get the job done.

Moreover, much of modern life conspires to help us lose whatever

magnesium we get in our diet.

Magnesium levels are decreased by excess alcohol, salt, coffee,

phosphoric acid in colas, profuse sweating, prolonged or intense stress,

chronic diarrhea, excessive menstruation, diuretics (water pills),

antibiotics and other drugs, and some intestinal parasites.

In fact, in one study in Kosovo, people under chronic war stress lost

large amounts of magnesium in their urine.

It is difficult to measure and hard to study, but magnesium deficiency

accounts for untold suffering -- and is simple to correct.

So if you suffer from any of the symptoms I mentioned or have any of the

diseases I noted, don't worry -- it is an easy fix!!

Here's how.

==> Stop draining your body of magnesium.

* Limit coffee, colas, salt, sugar and alcohol

* Learn how to practice active relaxation

* Check with your doctor if your medication is causing magnesium loss

(many high blood pressure drugs or diuretics cause loss of magnesium)

==> Eat foods high in magnesium.

* These include kelp, wheat bran, wheat germ, almonds, cashews,

buckwheat, brazil nuts, dulse, filberts, millet, pecans, walnuts, rye,

tofu, soy beans, brown rice, figs, dates, collard greens, shrimp,

avocado, parsley, beans, barley, dandelion greens, and garlic

==> Take magnesium supplements.

* The RDA (the minimum amount needed) for magnesium is about 300 mg a

day. Most of us get far less than 200 mg

* Some may need much more depending on their condition

* *Most people benefit from 400 to 1,000 mg a day*

* *The most absorbable forms are magnesium citrate, glycinate taurate,

or aspartate, although magnesium bound to Kreb cycle chelates (malate,

succinate, fumarate) are also good*

* *Avoid magnesium carbonate, sulfate, gluconate, and oxide. They are

poorly absorbed (and the cheapest and most common forms found in

supplements)*

* Side effects from too much magnesium include *diarrhea, which can be

avoided if you switch to magnesium glycinate*

* Most minerals are best taken as a team with other minerals in a

multi-mineral formula

* Taking a hot bath with Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) is a good way

to absorb and get much needed magnesium

* People with kidney disease or severe heart disease should take

magnesium only under a doctor's supervision

So if you're coping with the symptoms here, relax! Magnesium is truly a

miracle mineral.

[Guest guest]

you will need enough thyroid meds, enough Iodoral/Lugols, enough adrenal meds/support. I cannot remember what things you are taking.

Gracia

After having no energy for so many years, yesterday I went to lunch and groc shopping with a neighbor ( car pooling).

I was racing! Talking so fast etc. ( she couldn't take it) No heart palpitations... Just feeling alive again.

However, I did seem to be racing, which is not good.

(neighbor suggested I take Lithiam!)

What balances this out ? Thanks

..

[Guest guest]

Thank you for that info on Magnesium. It was very informative.

Re: Palpitations & Magnesium Aspartate

From Dr.Hyman who founded Canyon Ranch.My father went to one of his associates and he takes magnesium taurate for his hearthttp://www.ultrawel lness.com/ blog/magnesium- relaxation- mineralPublished on UltraWellness - Your Key to Lifelong Health and Vitality (http://www.ultrawel lness.com)Magnesium: The most powerful relaxation mineral available...A deficiency in this critical nutrient makes you are twice as likely to die as other people, according to a study published in the journal "Critical Care."It also accounts for a long list of symptoms and diseases -- which are easily helped and often cured by adding this nutrient.In fact, in my practice, this nutrient is one of my secret weapons against

illness.Yet up to half of Americans are deficient in this nutrient and don't know it.What is it?I'm talking about magnesium. It is an antidote to stress and the most powerful relaxation mineral.I find it very funny that more doctors aren't clued in to the benefits of magnesium, because we use it all the time in conventional medicine.But we never stop to think about why or how important it is to our general health or why it helps our bodies function better.I remember using magnesium when I worked in the emergency room. It was a critical "medication" on the crash cart. If someone was dying of a life-threatening arrhythmia (or irregular heart beat), we used intravenous magnesium.If someone was constipated or needed to prepare for colonoscopy, we gave them milk of magnesia or a green bottle of liquid magnesium citrate, which emptied their bowels.If

pregnant women came in with pre-term labor, or high blood pressure of pregnancy (pre-eclampsia) or seizures, we gave them continuous high doses of intravenous magnesium.But you don't have to be in the hospital to benefit from getting more magnesium.Think of magnesium as the relaxation mineral.Anything that is tight, irritable, crampy, and stiff -- whether it is a body part or an even a mood -- is a sign of magnesium deficiency.Why?Well, this critical mineral is responsible for over 300 enzyme reactions and is found in all of your tissues -- but mainly, bone, muscle, and brain. It is necessary for your cells to make energy, for many different chemical pumps to work, to stabilize membranes, and to help muscles relax.The list of conditions that are found related to magnesium deficiency is very long. In fact, there are over 3,500 medical references on magnesium

deficiency!But this mineral is mostly ignored because it is not a drug, even though it is MORE powerful than drugs in many cases. That's why we use it in the hospital for life-threatening and emergency situations like seizures and heart failure.You might be magnesium deficient if you have any of the following symptoms:* muscle cramps or twitches* insomnia* irritability* sensitivity to loud noises* anxiety* autism* ADD* palpitations* angina* constipation* anal spasms* headaches* migraines* fibromyalgia* chronic fatigue* asthma* kidney stones* diabetes* obesity* osteoporosis* high blood pressure* PMS* menstrual cramps* irritable bladder* irritable bowel syndrome* reflux* trouble swallowingMagnesium deficiency has even has been linked to inflammation in the body and higher CRP levels.So how bad is

this problem?In our society, it's huge. By conservative standards of measurement (blood, or serum, magnesium levels), 65 percent of people admitted to the intensive care unit -- and about 15 percent of the general population -- have magnesium deficiency. But this seriously underestimates the problem, because a serum magnesium level is the LEAST sensitive way to detect a drop in your total body magnesium level. So rates of magnesium deficiency could be even higher!Why are we so deficient?The answer is simple: Many of us eat a diet that contains practically no magnesium -- a highly processed, refined diet that is based mostly on white flour, meat, and dairy (all of which have no magnesium).When was the last time you had a good dose of sea vegetables (seaweed), nuts, greens, and beans? If you are like most Americans, your nut consumption mostly comes from peanut butter,

and mostly in chocolate peanut butter cups. Our processed diet contains almost no magnesium. It is also often poorly absorbed and easily lost from our bodies. A recent scientific review of magnesium concluded, "It is highly regrettable that the deficiency of such an inexpensive, low-toxicity nutrient results in diseases that cause incalculable suffering and expense throughout the world." (Med Hypotheses 2001 Feb; 56(2): 163-70) To absorb magnesium we need a lot of it in our diet, plus enough vitamins B6 and D and selenium to get the job done. Moreover, much of modern life conspires to help us lose whatever magnesium we get in our diet. Magnesium levels are decreased by excess alcohol, salt, coffee, phosphoric acid in colas, profuse sweating, prolonged or intense stress, chronic diarrhea, excessive menstruation, diuretics (water pills), antibiotics and other drugs, and

some intestinal parasites. In fact, in one study in Kosovo, people under chronic war stress lost large amounts of magnesium in their urine.It is difficult to measure and hard to study, but magnesium deficiency accounts for untold suffering -- and is simple to correct. So if you suffer from any of the symptoms I mentioned or have any of the diseases I noted, don't worry -- it is an easy fix!!Here's how.==> Stop draining your body of magnesium.* Limit coffee, colas, salt, sugar and alcohol* Learn how to practice active relaxation* Check with your doctor if your medication is causing magnesium loss (many high blood pressure drugs or diuretics cause loss of magnesium)==> Eat foods high in magnesium.* These include kelp, wheat bran, wheat germ, almonds, cashews, buckwheat, brazil nuts, dulse, filberts, millet, pecans, walnuts, rye, tofu, soy beans,

brown rice, figs, dates, collard greens, shrimp, avocado, parsley, beans, barley, dandelion greens, and garlic==> Take magnesium supplements.* The RDA (the minimum amount needed) for magnesium is about 300 mg a day. Most of us get far less than 200 mg* Some may need much more depending on their condition* *Most people benefit from 400 to 1,000 mg a day** *The most absorbable forms are magnesium citrate, glycinate taurate, or aspartate, although magnesium bound to Kreb cycle chelates (malate, succinate, fumarate) are also good** *Avoid magnesium carbonate, sulfate, gluconate, and oxide. They are poorly absorbed (and the cheapest and most common forms found in supplements) ** Side effects from too much magnesium include *diarrhea, which can be avoided if you switch to magnesium glycinate** Most minerals are best taken as a team with other minerals in a

multi-mineral formula* Taking a hot bath with Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) is a good way to absorb and get much needed magnesium* People with kidney disease or severe heart disease should take magnesium only under a doctor's supervisionSo if you're coping with the symptoms here, relax! Magnesium is truly a miracle mineral.

[Guest guest]

I am on Armour, Lugols ( ordered Iodiral 50 mg), Just got in the APT Cofactors to start today for adrenal support: transdermal Magnesium and CALM mag.; Vit C, Selenium, Multi V, Pro-biotics. I have B Vit on order..

My temp was reading only 91.3 morning till night.

I just upped my armour from 3 mg to 4 mg per day ( 3 X sublinguilly), and my temp this morn was 94.4 So a little higher.

I get too excited around people ?? Weird! I know I have been housebound too long, but come on??

My nervous system has been shot with the REflex Sympathetic Dystrophy ( RSD). Doing soo much better now.

Re: Re: Palpitations & Magnesium Aspartate

you will need enough thyroid meds, enough Iodoral/Lugols, enough adrenal meds/support. I cannot remember what things you are taking.

Gracia

After having no energy for so many years, yesterday I went to lunch and groc shopping with a neighbor ( car pooling).

I was racing! Talking so fast etc. ( she couldn't take it) No heart palpitations. .. Just feeling alive again.

However, I did seem to be racing, which is not good.

(neighbor suggested I take Lithiam!)

What balances this out ? Thanks

..