Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?

January 29, 2011

Hello meadowsweet77, and welcome. I too want to find out. The only

thing that is nagging at me is that there has been so much time since

mine was first dxd. That the chances of controlling the growth,

somewhat, should have been done immediately. Possibly by thyroid

hormone replacement - definitely iodine. But I went for six years. So,

I may not be able to any more. It isn't going to stop me from trying,

tho.

How long have you been aware of the goiter?

I have a multinodular goiter, too and an FNA result claims an element of

chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis. Hmm. Still nothing from any endo,

pcp, od, etc. NOTHING. So I guess I am on my own. Trying to find out

why. What. When. I was taking one tab of Iodoral during the time that

the FBA was done. No hyper symptoms. This is getting interesting. I

am beginning to wonder if I can absorb any of the iodine at all?

Good luck to you! ~~~Barb

>

> Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could

explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?

>

> I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT

symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,

but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice

on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the

result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your

iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in

turn increases hyperT symptoms.

>

> If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink

thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a

bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I

daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)

>

January 29, 2011

I'll take a stab at this, anyone else feel free to chime in, or correct me if

I'm wrong.

It depends on what you mean by " Nodules " .If you have been tested for and found

to have Hashi's, an autoimmune disorder that attacks the Thyroid, I am not very

familiar with that, as it doesn't apply to me and mine, and I've concentrated on

learning bout what is relevent for me.I think Hashi's can cause some type of

" Nodule " , can't speak to that.

However, if you are talking about Goiters, this I know about.Your Thyroid needs

iodine, in order to make thyroid hormones.Your brain (Hypothalmus) monitors your

thyroid hormones.When they get low, it signals the pituitaty to make Thyroid

Stimulating Hormone (TSH) to 'tell' the thyroid to increase production.When

there is 'enough' Thyroid hormone, TSH drops, to 'tell' the thyroid to reduce

production.

If you don't consume enough iodine, your thyroid doesn't have the raw material

it needs, to make Thyroid hormone.Your TSH goes up, 'telling' the Thyroid to

increase production, but the thyroid can't comply.Eventually, in a futile

attempt to increase production, the Thyroid forms goiters. Basically, it is

increasing its mass.Unfortunately, without iodine, your thyroid can be as big as

a grapefruit, and it won't produce any more hormone.

People with GOITERS have found iodine supplementation will reduce the size of

their goiters, and eventually eliminate them.

I have seen some posts saying that those with Hashi's can actually get worse, at

least initially, from taking iodine.Again, since it doesn't apply to me, can't

really speak to that, but perhaps others can.So, what do you mean by " Nodules? "

Jim

>

> Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could explain the

role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?

>

> I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT symptoms.

I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders, but he says nothing

about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice on the internet is

contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the result of iodine deficiency,

while other people say if you increase your iodine intake this stimulates the

production of more thyroxine which in turn increases hyperT symptoms.

>

> If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink thyroid

nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a bottle of Iodoral

that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I daren't take in case it

worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)

>

January 30, 2011

Hi Jim,

Thanks for that reply, I appreciate it. As I'm newly diagnosed I haven't had a

firm diagnosis off the doctor, but he did say I have a multinodular goitre. My

scan came back earlier this week showing 4 cysts on my thyroid. The doctor

wasn't detailed about it, and I didn't have the presence of mind to ask; but I

have read that nodules (also called cysts?) can be either extended growths of

thyroid tissue cells and/or can be filled with puss or blood. I don't yet know

the structure of mine, and I don't know whether I have hashi's or graves as well

(probably not hashi's as I'm not hypo). My blood tests show mild hyperT, and I

do have mild hyperT symptoms at times - palpitations, thudding heart, hand

tremors. But my doctor's sending me for another blood test next week because he

said my last ones don't relate to the scan. He seems to think I should be hypo,

or have no symptoms at all. Oh yes, the growths are not suspicious, i.e. not

cancerous and they aren't hard they're soft. My TSH was very low, while my T3

was high; T4, lower limit of normal.

So my concern is if iodine increases the thyroid activity, will my hyperT

symptoms get worse? I suppose I ought to take it at low levels and increase

slowly, cutting back if the symptoms get too bad.

I have read about iodine shrinking nodules on people who are hypoT, and I've

just found a link on another thyroid forum where someone seems to have been

cured from hyperT using iodine, but I've yet to look at that one. Hope you get

this reply, I seem to have 3 options and wasn't sure where to post it. :-)

>

> I'll take a stab at this, anyone else feel free to chime in, or correct me if

I'm wrong.

> It depends on what you mean by " Nodules " .If you have been tested for and found

to have Hashi's, an autoimmune disorder that attacks the Thyroid, I am not very

familiar with that, as it doesn't apply to me and mine, and I've concentrated on

learning bout what is relevent for me.I think Hashi's can cause some type of

" Nodule " , can't speak to that.

> However, if you are talking about Goiters, this I know about.Your Thyroid

needs iodine, in order to make thyroid hormones.Your brain (Hypothalmus)

monitors your thyroid hormones.When they get low, it signals the pituitaty to

make Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) to 'tell' the thyroid to increase

production.When there is 'enough' Thyroid hormone, TSH drops, to 'tell' the

thyroid to reduce production.

> If you don't consume enough iodine, your thyroid doesn't have the raw material

it needs, to make Thyroid hormone.Your TSH goes up, 'telling' the Thyroid to

increase production, but the thyroid can't comply.Eventually, in a futile

attempt to increase production, the Thyroid forms goiters. Basically, it is

increasing its mass.Unfortunately, without iodine, your thyroid can be as big as

a grapefruit, and it won't produce any more hormone.

> People with GOITERS have found iodine supplementation will reduce the size of

their goiters, and eventually eliminate them.

> I have seen some posts saying that those with Hashi's can actually get worse,

at least initially, from taking iodine.Again, since it doesn't apply to me,

can't really speak to that, but perhaps others can.So, what do you mean by

" Nodules? " Jim

January 30, 2011

Hello Barb,

I noticed a small lump on my thyroid (about the size of a pea) around October

2009, just over a year ago. I ignored it and didn't notice it again until

October 2010 when it had grown to approx 2 and a half inches wide by 1 and a

half inches high. My symptoms with it are very mild hyperT.

Are you hyperT or hypoT? I've read lots of success stories of people shrinking

their nodules using iodine, if they have hypoT, but not so many with

hyperthyroidism. However, I have heard of people curing hyperT through

nutrition, no doubt you're aware of the nutrient list on ithyroid.com? This chap

recommends not taking iodine until your other nutrient stores are built up (e.g.

magnesium, copper and potassium)and then start taking the iodine.

I've also read somewhere that in order for the body to absorb iodine properly

you need another nutrient, but I can't remember what it was. If you're

interested I'll try and post it to you if I can find it. Keep healthy and keep

looking for those cures. :-)

> >

> > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could

> explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?

> >

> > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT

> symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,

> but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice

> on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the

> result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your

> iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in

> turn increases hyperT symptoms.

>

> >

> > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink

> thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a

> bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I

> daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)

> >

>

January 31, 2011

Hi meadowsweet--

My biggest nodule is 1.8 cm. I don't think it's that big. It looks a little

like an Adam's apple on a man. That is what stirred me up to start asking about

the thing again. The " chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis " diagnosis with my FNA

pretty much sums up that I have Hashimoto's but didn't cause any alarm bells for

ANY doctor. No treatment at all. But my list of symptoms? Very long. The

craving salt really bothers me. Adrenals, correct? Low blood pressure too?

Tired? Don't get me started ;{

I have some saunas scheduled to help me with the adrenals. I read to sweat

sweat sweat. The infra red saunas are amazing and only $12 for a half hour

session on Mons and Thurs! YES. I want to see about lymph node massage? To

drain those things. Ew.

As for shrinking my nodules. Well, I sure am gonna try. It may be too late for

me, tho. It has been there for over six years.

I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking iodine. Of

course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium that is crucial. And

take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of the

endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is fine. Great. But I

don't feel great. Barb

> > >

> > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could

> > explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?

> > >

> > > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT

> > symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,

> > but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice

> > on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the

> > result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your

> > iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in

> > turn increases hyperT symptoms.

> >

> > >

> > > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink

> > thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a

> > bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I

> > daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)

> > >

> >

>

January 31, 2011

Problems with iodine absorption can also (but not always) involve a defective

cellular transport system.

Article: Evidence that the administration of Vitamin C improves a defective

cellular transport mechanism for iodine: A Case Report

Link: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm

Authors: Guy E. Abraham, M.D. (1)and Brownstein, M.D.(2)

Also an article stating that skin patch test is not accurate for testing as

rates of evaporation vary in each locale, amongst other factors.

Link to article:

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm

Several folks on this list use topical application as a way to administer

iodine, but it should not be thought of as an indicator of whether or not a body

is in need of it.

> > >

> > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could

> > explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?

> > >

> > > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT

> > symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,

> > but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice

> > on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the

> > result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your

> > iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in

> > turn increases hyperT symptoms.

> >

> > >

> > > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink

> > thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a

> > bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I

> > daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)

> > >

> >

>

> --

> Ariel Monserrat

> Publisher & Managing Editor

> Green Egg zine

> www.greeneggzine.com

>

January 31, 2011

Yes, absolutely correct. The skin patch test does not give accurate

information. However, people can assume they are iodine deficient and any

excess iodine is harmlessly eliminated from the body via urination.

--

>Problems with iodine absorption can also (but not always) involve a

>defective cellular transport system.

>

>Article: Evidence that the administration of Vitamin C improves a

>defective cellular transport mechanism for iodine: A Case Report

> Link: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm

>

>Authors: Guy E. Abraham, M.D. (1)and Brownstein, M.D.(2)

>

>Also an article stating that skin patch test is not accurate for testing

>as rates of evaporation vary in each locale, amongst other factors.

> Link to

> article: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/updates/UNIOD-02/UNIOD_02.htm

>

>Several folks on this list use topical application as a way to administer

>iodine, but it should not be thought of as an indicator of whether or not

>a body is in need of it.

>

> > > >

> > > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could

> > > explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?

> > > >

> > > > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT

> > > symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,

> > > but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice

> > > on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the

> > > result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your

> > > iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in

> > > turn increases hyperT symptoms.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink

> > > thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a

> > > bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I

> > > daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Ariel Monserrat

> > Publisher & Managing Editor

> > Green Egg zine

> > www.greeneggzine.com

> >

>

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>

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February 2, 2011

Hey thank you Ariel! I think I need to limit the sites I glean info on!

lol. This is my #1 site. Others I just try to " see " what they are

doing personally, then I google the items they take and see if they are

safe or not for me. I want to get as much as I can from foods, teas,

etc as I can before taking a pill. It goes against my whole health

concept of life. BUT, how can I eat the items needed to get iodine

without gaining a whole lotta weight? So I will continue with the

iodine. I just took 2-1/2 Iodoral and a couple of the supps. Then, a

little later I will take the remaining. 150 grams. WOW. Now the

Iodoral contains both, from my understanding. I was never good in

chemistry so I would be bugging everyone with " how much? " whats a gram

what a micro gram? etc. lol I need to get Brownstein's book as well

-- there is just so much information.

I did do a spot iodine and it was gone within four hours. Totally gone.

Inside of arm, no sleeves. Big ole circle of iodine.

I will check my B complex that I take and get an idea on the numbers. I

wonder if I could just take two? I know I have absorb problems due to

gut issues. I used to take add'l Vit B12 sub-lingual along with Vit

D3. Increasing my D, now that we are snowed under for days it looks

like.

I am treating myself as naturally as possible for adrenal " issues " . My

first sauna was wonderful. I don't know if streets will be cleared for

tomorrow's session or not. Learning to relax. . Barb

> > >

> > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could

> > explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?

> > >

> > > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild

hyperT

> > symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid

Disorders,

> > but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The

advice

> > on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are

the

> > result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase

your

> > iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which

in

> > turn increases hyperT symptoms.

> >

> > >

> > > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to

shrink

> > thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a

> > bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I

> > daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)

> > >

> >

>

> --

> Ariel Monserrat

> Publisher & Managing Editor

> Green Egg zine

> www.greeneggzine.com

>

February 2, 2011

Yes, am I ever craving salt and drinking Celtic Sea Salt water. Not just for

detox, but because I like it. Strange. One tablespoon total throughout the day

correct? Or just put that in water?

As for the supplements, I do take selenium 100 mg a day, Vit C 1500mg, Vit E

400 IU, Vit D3 4000, Iodoral 37.5, upping to 50. and the sea salt. I do alot

of organic juices, raw protein powder to get my daily anti-oxidants and a bit

more protein. I have cut back on coffee and believe my daily headache could be

that. Will be adding decaf to cut out coffee all together. Still have mercury,

tho. (And some extreme marital issues that I need to address before I just have

a stroke)

I have stopped the zinc for now. It contains copper. I am not sure if I need

copper. I have read where copper is leached into water from new copper pipes.

We have new pipes and I just am not sure.

I try to begin at a low dosage and work up. First I need to see how I react

before jumping in. Sometimes it is not a one size fits all, I was told. Copper

just worries me. And in many thyroid sites each amount of supplements to take

varies. Especially for the different types of symptoms. Have I confused the

information?

~~Barb

>

> > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.

>

> If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the

> unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I

> was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined

> salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made

> this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know

> that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during

> World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out

> of blood.

>

> > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium

> > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

>

> It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine

> protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of

> the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be

> taking iodine at all.

>

> >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of

> >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

>

> How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.

>

> From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE

> treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of

> thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

>

> --

> moderator, Iodine list

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

February 2, 2011

I think the daily rec is for 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt, plus liberal use in food, unless you are salt loading for bromide detox. Also I think you are missing Magnesium from your list. The C and selenium seem on the low side but I'd have to go check the recs. I believe I have read zinc needs copper to work most effectively. Would have to search for the support for that though.

Jaxi

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, mzookiej <rubarb78@...> wrote:

Yes, am I ever craving salt and drinking Celtic Sea Salt water. Not just for detox, but because I like it. Strange. One tablespoon total throughout the day correct? Or just put that in water?

As for the supplements, I do take selenium 100 mg a day, Vit C 1500mg, Vit E 400 IU, Vit D3 4000, Iodoral 37.5, upping to 50. and the sea salt. I do alot of organic juices, raw protein powder to get my daily anti-oxidants and a bit more protein. I have cut back on coffee and believe my daily headache could be that. Will be adding decaf to cut out coffee all together. Still have mercury, tho. (And some extreme marital issues that I need to address before I just have a stroke)

I have stopped the zinc for now. It contains copper. I am not sure if I need copper. I have read where copper is leached into water from new copper pipes. We have new pipes and I just am not sure. I try to begin at a low dosage and work up. First I need to see how I react before jumping in. Sometimes it is not a one size fits all, I was told. Copper just worries me. And in many thyroid sites each amount of supplements to take varies. Especially for the different types of symptoms. Have I confused the information?

~~Barb>>> > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.

>> If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the> unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I> was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined> salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made> this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know

> that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during> World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out> of blood.>> > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium> > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.>> It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine

> protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of> the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be> taking iodine at all.>>> >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of

> >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is> >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb>> How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.

>> From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE> treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of> thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

>> --> moderator, Iodine list>>>> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J. Muste

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February 2, 2011

does anyone get mild nausea from drinking 1/2 celtic salt in an

extra large glass of water- the size of a water bottle you carry

around with you???

On 2/2/2011 11:10 AM, jaxi wrote:

I think the daily rec is for 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt,

plus liberal use in food, unless you are salt loading for

bromide detox. Also I think you are missing Magnesium

from your list. The C and selenium seem on the low side

but I'd have to go check the recs. I believe I have read

zinc needs copper to work most effectively. Would have to

search for the support for that though.

Jaxi

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM,

mzookiej <rubarb78@...>

wrote:

Yes, am I ever craving salt and drinking Celtic Sea

Salt water. Not just for detox, but because I like it.

Strange. One tablespoon total throughout the day

correct? Or just put that in water?

As for the supplements, I do take selenium 100 mg a

day, Vit C 1500mg, Vit E 400 IU, Vit D3 4000, Iodoral

37.5, upping to 50. and the sea salt. I do alot of

organic juices, raw protein powder to get my daily

anti-oxidants and a bit more protein. I have cut back

on coffee and believe my daily headache could be that.

Will be adding decaf to cut out coffee all together.

Still have mercury, tho. (And some extreme marital

issues that I need to address before I just have a

stroke)

I have stopped the zinc for now. It contains copper.

I am not sure if I need copper. I have read where

copper is leached into water from new copper pipes. We

have new pipes and I just am not sure.

I try to begin at a low dosage and work up. First I

need to see how I react before jumping in. Sometimes it

is not a one size fits all, I was told. Copper just

worries me. And in many thyroid sites each amount of

supplements to take varies. Especially for the

different types of symptoms. Have I confused the

information?

~~Barb

>

> > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The

craving salt really bothers me.

>

> If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.

Fortunately, with the

> unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want.

And you should have. I

> was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was

using more than 1

> TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what

healed me. Unrefined

> salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in

balance. I haven't made

> this statement on the list in a while, but you may

be interested to know

> that ocean water has the same mineral profile as

our blood, and during

> World War II they used ocean water for transfusions

when they would run out

> of blood.

>

> > I believe a very important nutrient is

selenium when taking

> > iodine. Of course, the others have their

place - I believe it selenium

> > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E,

I have read.

>

> It's not just selenium. Each of the companion

supplements for the iodine

> protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If

you're not taking ALL of

> the companion nutrients in at least the minimum

dosage, you shouldn't be

> taking iodine at all.

>

> >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But

no treatment. From any of

> >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess

because my TSH is

> >fine. Great. But I don't feel great.

Barb

>

> How much iodine are you taking? But you need all

of the companion nutrients.

>

> From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's

iodine solution was THE

> treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't

have an epidemic of

> thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

>

> --

> moderator, Iodine list

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

------------------------------------

All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

IodineOT/

Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

February 2, 2011

@Jaxi--oops and Magnesium. My bad. I do take magnesium, too. How did

I forget that one? Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I do need

to increase zinc - only, tho. How would one know if they were getting

too much copper? Is there any truth to getting too much copper from new

copper pipes? I don't drink our home water - but I do shower/bathe in

it. I see a new doc on the 11th and I am bring up this issue. I want

answers. Until then I am supporting my adrenals, taking iodine, but

holding off on the zinc and copper supps just for a bit.

@ -- no. Not me. I really like the stuff. It has helped me with

headaches, stomach issues, heartburn, etc.

> > >

> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt

> > really bothers me.

> > >

> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.

> > Fortunately, with the

> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you

> > should have. I

> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more

than 1

> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.

> > Unrefined

> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I

> > haven't made

> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be

interested

> > to know

> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood,

and

> > during

> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they

> > would run out

> > > of blood.

> > >

> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when

taking

> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe

it

> > selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > >

> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for

> > the iodine

> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not

> > taking ALL of

> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you

> > shouldn't be

> > > taking iodine at all.

> > >

> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.

> > From any of

> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > >

> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the

> > companion nutrients.

> > >

> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine

solution

> > was THE

> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an

> > epidemic of

> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > >

> > > --

> > > moderator, Iodine list

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > IodineOT/

> >

> > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

Groups

> > Links

> >

> > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured

> >

>

February 2, 2011

Try it in low sodium V-8. Tastes great! Or, try it in apple juice. Also, 1/2

teaspoon is the daily minimum.Nothing says you got to drink it all in 1 go. Try

1/4 teaspoon in a glass of whatever, in the a.m., and another in the p.m.Jim

> > >

> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt

> > really bothers me.

> > >

> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.

> > Fortunately, with the

> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you

> > should have. I

> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.

> > Unrefined

> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I

> > haven't made

> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested

> > to know

> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and

> > during

> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they

> > would run out

> > > of blood.

> > >

> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it

> > selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > >

> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for

> > the iodine

> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not

> > taking ALL of

> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you

> > shouldn't be

> > > taking iodine at all.

> > >

> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.

> > From any of

> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > >

> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the

> > companion nutrients.

> > >

> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution

> > was THE

> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an

> > epidemic of

> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > >

> > > --

> > > moderator, Iodine list

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > IodineOT/

> >

> > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

> > Links

> >

> > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured >

> >

>

February 2, 2011

I wish V-8 would make an organic version. I can't drink the regular V-8

Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?

Try it in low sodium V-8. Tastes great! Or, try it in apple juice. Also, 1/2 teaspoon is the daily minimum.Nothing says you got to drink it all in 1 go. Try 1/4 teaspoon in a glass of whatever, in the a.m., and another in the p.m.Jim> > >> > >> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt> > really bothers me.> > >> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.> > Fortunately, with the> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you> > should have. I> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.> > Unrefined> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I> > haven't made> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested> > to know> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and> > during> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they> > would run out> > > of blood.> > >> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it> > selenium> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.> > >> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for> > the iodine> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not> > taking ALL of> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you> > shouldn't be> > > taking iodine at all.> > >> > >> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.> > From any of> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb> > >> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the> > companion nutrients.> > >> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution> > was THE> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an> > epidemic of> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.> > >> > > --> > > moderator, Iodine list> > >> > >> > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > > --A.J. Muste> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group> > IodineOT/> >> >> > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e > > Links> >> >> > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured >> >> >> >> >>

February 3, 2011

I solved my nausea-with-salt-water problem by putting the salt into capsules and

swallowing it with water. Works for salt loading,too. I buy a bottle of 250

empty caps from Swanson for 5 bucks. I take about 4 capsules a day.

Marcy

> > >

> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt

> > really bothers me.

> > >

> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.

> > Fortunately, with the

> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you

> > should have. I

> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.

> > Unrefined

> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I

> > haven't made

> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested

> > to know

> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and

> > during

> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they

> > would run out

> > > of blood.

> > >

> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it

> > selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > >

> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for

> > the iodine

> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not

> > taking ALL of

> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you

> > shouldn't be

> > > taking iodine at all.

> > >

> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.

> > From any of

> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > >

> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the

> > companion nutrients.

> > >

> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution

> > was THE

> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an

> > epidemic of

> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > >

> > > --

> > > moderator, Iodine list

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > IodineOT/

> >

> > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

> > Links

> >

> > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured >

> >

>

February 3, 2011

I take it in gel caps too Marcy, seems to work just fine.ArielOn Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:41 PM, marcyzram <marcyzram@...> wrote:

I solved my nausea-with-salt-water problem by putting the salt into capsules and swallowing it with water. Works for salt loading,too. I buy a bottle of 250 empty caps from Swanson for 5 bucks. I take about 4 capsules a day.

Marcy

> > >

> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt

> > really bothers me.

> > >

> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.

> > Fortunately, with the

> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you

> > should have. I

> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.

> > Unrefined

> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I

> > haven't made

> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested

> > to know

> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and

> > during

> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they

> > would run out

> > > of blood.

> > >

> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it

> > selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > >

> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for

> > the iodine

> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not

> > taking ALL of

> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you

> > shouldn't be

> > > taking iodine at all.

> > >

> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.

> > From any of

> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > >

> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the

> > companion nutrients.

> > >

> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution

> > was THE

> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an

> > epidemic of

> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > >

> > > --

> > > moderator, Iodine list

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > IodineOT/

> >

> > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

> > Links

> >

> > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured >

> >

>

-- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com

February 3, 2011

The mention of " 1 tablespoon " was for someone asking about adrenal

exhaustion treatment, not about the normal iodine protocol level of salt

supplementation.

Just to clarify.

Also yes, several people have mentioned that they put their salt into capsules.

--

At 01:41 PM 2/3/2011, you wrote:

>I solved my nausea-with-salt-water problem by putting the salt into

>capsules and swallowing it with water. Works for salt loading,too. I buy a

>bottle of 250 empty caps from Swanson for 5 bucks. I take about 4 capsules

>a day.

>

>Marcy

>

> > > >

> > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt

> > > really bothers me.

> > > >

> > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.

> > > Fortunately, with the

> > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you

> > > should have. I

> > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more

> than 1

> > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.

> > > Unrefined

> > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I

> > > haven't made

> > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested

> > > to know

> > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and

> > > during

> > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they

> > > would run out

> > > > of blood.

> > > >

> > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it

> > > selenium

> > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > > >

> > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for

> > > the iodine

> > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not

> > > taking ALL of

> > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you

> > > shouldn't be

> > > > taking iodine at all.

> > > >

> > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.

> > > From any of

> > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > > >

> > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the

> > > companion nutrients.

> > > >

> > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution

> > > was THE

> > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an

> > > epidemic of

> > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > moderator, Iodine list

> > > >

> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > > --A.J. Muste

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > IodineOT/

> > >

> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

> > > Links

> > >

> > > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured >

> > >

> >

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

February 4, 2011

Thanks . A tablespoon a day for the adrenal exhaustion and it

is ok to continue with the detox amount in addition to the other,

correct?

> > > > >

> > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving

salt

> > > > really bothers me.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.

> > > > Fortunately, with the

> > > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you

> > > > should have. I

> > > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using

more

> > than 1

> > > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed

me.

> > > > Unrefined

> > > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance.

I

> > > > haven't made

> > > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be

interested

> > > > to know

> > > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our

blood, and

> > > > during

> > > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when

they

> > > > would run out

> > > > > of blood.

> > > > >

> > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when

taking

> > > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I

believe it

> > > > selenium

> > > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have

read.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements

for

> > > > the iodine

> > > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're

not

> > > > taking ALL of

> > > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage,

you

> > > > shouldn't be

> > > > > taking iodine at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no

treatment.

> > > > From any of

> > > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH

is

> > > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > > > >

> > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the

> > > > companion nutrients.

> > > > >

> > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine

solution

> > > > was THE

> > > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an

> > > > epidemic of

> > > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > moderator, Iodine list

> > > > >

> > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > > > --A.J. Muste

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > > IodineOT/

> > > >

> > > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

Groups

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

Links

> >

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

February 4, 2011

Hey Barb,

Is that protein powder made of soy? That can be a problem with the thyroid as

far as converting T4 to T3 and it's a goitrogen.

> >

> > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers

me.

> >

> > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the

> > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I

> > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined

> > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made

> > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know

> > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during

> > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out

> > of blood.

> >

> > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium

> > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> >

> > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine

> > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of

> > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be

> > taking iodine at all.

> >

> > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of

> > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> >

> > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion

nutrients.

> >

> > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE

> > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of

> > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> >

> > --

> > moderator, Iodine list

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

>

February 5, 2011

Hi

I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had

miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to

take it. It is soy-based!

From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only

because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution,

written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy

at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra

iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy

are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long

as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.

Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of

soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still

researching.

If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!

Marcy

> > >

> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers

me.

> > >

> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the

> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I

> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined

> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made

> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know

> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during

> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run

out

> > > of blood.

> > >

> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > >

> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine

> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of

> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be

> > > taking iodine at all.

> > >

> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of

> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > >

> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion

nutrients.

> > >

> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE

> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of

> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > >

> > > --

> > > moderator, Iodine list

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

>

February 5, 2011

Marcy,It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that are responsible for dozens of cell life functions. Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases. Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing, block digestion not only of the soy product but of whatever else is eaten. Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant, hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove hemaglutin. Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known carcinogen, lysinealine.Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial, devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely processed food source, successfully advertised to be a health food. The soybean is one of America's largest crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is contained in a lot of items where you may not even think you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring, natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's the issue of genetic modification of an already problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They make money both ways plus they control the small farmers. I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical, who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of dollars of income. The science/health writer from Huffington Post article cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding soy. Look at info that can give you reference material for the claims. Here's a great place to start:http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/soy/Magic-Bean/Do you mind sharing what the product is?Linn On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote:

Hi

I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!

From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution, written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.

Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still researching.

If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!

Marcy

> > >

> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.

> > >

> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the

> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I

> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1

> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined

> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made

> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know

> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during

> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out

> > > of blood.

> > >

> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > >

> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine

> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of

> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be

> > > taking iodine at all.

> > >

> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of

> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb

> > >

> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.

> > >

> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE

> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of

> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.

> > >

> > > --

> > > moderator, Iodine list

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

>

February 5, 2011

Hi,

I don't agree with everything in your response, but I do agree that

most soy is not helpful and most is not processed correctly.

However, there is Soy protein isolate that is made a safe, correct

way and which gives very high nutritional protein/amino acids. This

powdered form is very helpful in detoxifying and helping those who

need protein. Many people, especially our teens, are carb-holics

and do not get enough protein for their body which is trying to grow

and mature.

The company that makes this form spends millions on research and

development to prove that their products are clean from

contaminants, work, and are safe. Also, the doctor that we use for

my daughter has done a lot of studies and testing himself as he

worked in a Chiropractic teaching school and is a PhD in bio

nutritional chemistry. So there are companies out there with real

scientific studies and real results for their products. At the

moment I am only using the things they make for my daughter as her

system is toxic, low thyroid, fatigued adrenals, etc. I try to get

everything for myself from them as well, but they do not have iodine

and other ingredients we need. Our doctor does recommend and advise

to use Iodoral... His method is to take is slowly and steadily so

as not to overwhelm the body all at one time.

If you are going to use soy, I think it must be organic and

cultured, such as tofu. OR use the highly tested and safely

processed Soy protein isolate....

On 2/5/2011 10:10 AM, Linn wrote:

Marcy,

It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you

need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest

levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral

uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that

are responsible for dozens of cell life functions.

Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases.

Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of

iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels

of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing,

block digestion not only of the soy product but of

whatever else is eaten.

Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant,

hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red

cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply

to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues

or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove

hemaglutin.

Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the

steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known

carcinogen, lysinealine.

Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and

totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial,

devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product

of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont

for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely

processed food source, successfully advertised to be a

health food. The soybean is one of America's largest

crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's

byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is

contained in a lot of items where you may not even think

you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring,

natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed

protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's

the issue of genetic modification of an already

problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the

patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They

make money both ways plus they control the small farmers.

I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking

major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical,

who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is

major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of

dollars of income.

The science/health writer from Huffington Post article

cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be

helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding

soy. Look at info that can give you reference material

for the claims. Here's a great place to start:

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/soy/Magic-Bean/

Do you mind sharing what the product is?

Linn

On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote:

Hi

I've been doing lots of research into soy,

because some friends who have had miraculous

cures and reversals with a particular product

are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!

>From what I can tell so far, soy does

interfere with thyroid function, but only

because it uses extra iodine up in the body's

processing of it. The solution, written in the

Huffington post by a science/health writer, is

to take your soy at a different time than your

thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra

iodine. The article goes on to say that the

benefits of the right kind of soy are

great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti

inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you

follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic

and suppressive effect.

Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another

article that allay the fears of soy; I

personally have been very very skeptical about

soy, and am still researching.

If you have articles regarding the interference

in T4 conversion, let me know!

Marcy

> > >

> > > > But my list of symptoms?

Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.

> > >

> > > If you're craving salt, you're in

need of minerals. Fortunately, with the

> > > unrefined salt, you can have as

much as you want. And you should have. I

> > > was healed from extreme adrenal

exhaustion and was using more than 1

> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined

salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined

> > > salt cannot harm you because the

minerals are in balance. I haven't made

> > > this statement on the list in a

while, but you may be interested to know

> > > that ocean water has the same

mineral profile as our blood, and during

> > > World War II they used ocean

water for transfusions when they would run out

> > > of blood.

> > >

> > > > I believe a very important

nutrient is selenium when taking

> > > > iodine. Of course, the

others have their place - I believe it selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take

selenium with Vit E, I have read.

> > >

> > > It's not just selenium. Each of

the companion supplements for the iodine

> > > protocol is there for a very good

reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of

> > > the companion nutrients in at

least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be

> > > taking iodine at all.

> > >

> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many

times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of

> > > >the endos or doctors I have

seen. I guess because my TSH is

> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel

great. Barb

> > >

> > > How much iodine are you taking?

But you need all of the companion nutrients.

> > >

> > > From the early 1800s through the

1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE

> > > treatment for any thyroid

imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of

> > > thyroid imbalance, they just

prescribed Lugol's.

> > >

> > > --

> > > moderator, Iodine list

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace;

peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

>

February 5, 2011

Even as eary as the 1930's and 40's Max Gerson M.D. was warning about the dangers of soy for patients on his natural cancery therapy. Not only did he speak about soys ability to inhibit the thyroid , but how it's downright harmful to the whole body for a variety of reasons including the toxic inhibition to nutrient absorption and/or elevated protein content . I have always thought it interesting too how they say even animals and insects will not touch it. With so many other healthy vegetable products to eat, it seems an easy one to give up. My husband and I ate lots of soy in the sixties and seventies before we knew better; both of us developed thyroid nodules I think. Kathleen

Re: Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?

Marcy,

It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that are responsible for dozens of cell life functions. Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases. Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing, block digestion not only of the soy product but of whatever else is eaten.

Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant, hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove hemaglutin.

Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known carcinogen, lysinealine.

Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial, devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely processed food source, successfully advertised to be a health food. The soybean is one of America's largest crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is contained in a lot of items where you may not even think you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring, natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's the issue of genetic modification of an already problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They make money both ways plus they control the small farmers. I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical, who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of dollars of income.

The science/health writer from Huffington Post article cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding soy. Look at info that can give you reference material for the claims. Here's a great place to start:

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/soy/Magic-Bean/

Do you mind sharing what the product is?

Linn

On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote:

Hi I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution, written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still researching. If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!Marcy> > >> > > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.> > > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1 > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out > > > of blood.> > > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.> > > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be > > > taking iodine at all.> > > > > > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. Barb> > > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.> > > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.> > > > > > --> > > moderator, Iodine list> > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > > --A.J. Muste> > >> >>

February 5, 2011

wow. awesome post.Hi, my name is Tammy. I just joined this group yesterday and I'm quietly observing while I try to get through all the files and the website. Linn, would you mind if I shared this post with another group? I think alot of people could benefit from this information.-TammyFrom: Linn <linnmiller@...>To:

iodine Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:10:25 PMSubject: Re: Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?

Marcy,It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that are responsible for dozens of cell life functions. Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases. Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing, block digestion not only of the soy product but of whatever else is eaten. Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant, hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove

hemaglutin. Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known carcinogen, lysinealine.Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial, devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely processed food source, successfully advertised to be a health food. The soybean is one of America's largest crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is contained in a lot of items where you may not even think you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring, natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's the issue of

genetic modification of an already problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They make money both ways plus they control the small farmers. I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical, who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of dollars of income. The science/health writer from Huffington Post article cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding soy. Look at info that can give you reference material for the claims. Here's a great place to start:http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/soy/Magic-Bean/Do you mind sharing what the product is?Linn On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote: