Re: If you have chosen to keep a goitery thyroid

January 30, 2011

If Dr Gerson had one cup a day, then I'm safe with my one cup a day. I'm

very disciplined about only one cup.

This is as good a time as any to ask. I have long thought the coffee enema

to flush the liver sounded like a very good thing to do. I haven't done it

because of my fears about how harsh it is, or not. Is it any more harsh

than a regular enema would be, or does the liver flush add difficulty to it?

and btw, Anne, I too enjoyed your post.

--V

At 12:29 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote:

>Hi Anne,

> You make some good points in your first two paragraphs. However, as a

> Gerson Person I feel I must explain about coffee enemas. Dr. Max Gerson

> advised his patients on his cancer therapy not to drink coffee, but had

> them take coffee enemas because the caffeine is absorbed through the

> portal vein, goes right to the liver; the liver recognizes it as a toxin

> and dumps the caffeine , dumping other toxins with as well. These coffee

> enemas are vital to the Therapy as the patients are breaking down

> tumours/toxins so fast, the coffee enemas help the liver move them out of

> the body. Drinking coffee does not have this effect. When he first

> started his therapy he did not use coffee enemas, but added them through

> the years when he found his patients were releasing toxins so fast, they

> needed the help. ( Dr. Gersons daughter Charlotte, once said however,

> that her fathers only vice was drinking one cup of coffee a day =-) )

> My explanation is in the simplistic form, but just wanted to explain

> that drinking coffee does not have the same effect as using it in an

> enema. Best, Kathleen

> Re: Re: If you have chosen to keep a goitery thyroid

>

>There are quite a few theories about fibroids. One is that they are caused

>by estrogen dominance -- which would suggest that anything that balances

>your hormones could help. Many people have reported iodine balancing one

>or more hormonal systems, so this could be one way iodine helps fight fibroids.

>

>One theory I have read is that fibroids are caused by congestion of the

>liver when it is overwhelmed by toxins. The full iodine protocol tends to

>promote detox -- which should, theoretically, help the liver. Not

>coincidentally, some people find that liver issues slow the healing they

>were hoping for with iodine.

>

>As for caffeine, the dose makes the poison. There is research to show that

>1-2 cups of coffee per day are good for the liver, & reduce the risk of

>Alzheimer's (different studies), but that once you go over 2 cups, the

>benefit is lost, & as your intake increases, increasing harm ensues. (Not

>to mention that individuals vary a great deal.) And a lot of folks who are

>vehemently opposed to caffeine nonetheless recommend coffee enemas to

>detoxify the liver. Personally, I would just as soon send it to my bowels

>from above...

>

>Anne

>

>On Jan 30, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:

>

>>

>>I still drink 1-2 cups of coffee. My fibroids appeared with diet coke. I

>>never drank coffee until 8 years later. Fibroids went away within about

>>3-4 months of iodine. I continue the coffee and they never came back. I

>>think they were caused by aspartame or whatever sweetner diet coke had 30

>>years back. I stopped using them at that point.Pam

>>

>>On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Joan Dwyer

>><<mailto:rosegardenstudio@...>rosegardenstudio@...> wrote:

>>

>>Kicking caffeine (giving up coffee---soda was never my drug of choice)

>>was one of the most helpful things I did for my body. Such good advice, Gwen.

>>

>>Joan

>>

>>----------

>>

>>Years back, I had breast pain. Dr. said Fibroids and to stop drinking

>>any caffeine. I was drinking 2 caffeinated sodas a day at the

>>time. Once I stopped drinking the sodas, pain went away.

>>Caffeine contributes to fibroids, one can take all the iodine they want,

>>but if they have caffeine in their diet, it probably won't matter.

>>gwen

>>

>>The doctors do tell me that 60% of all women have fibroids and many don't

>>realize it. So they are considered normal. They also tend to shrink or

>>disappear in menopause. I was hoping mine would be gone but 3 years of

>>iodine at 50 mg hasn't yet so be patient. My body has healed a ton of

>>breast fibroids in 4 months of this so know it is doing things. Kidneys

>>and liver healed up too. So just a lot of stuff to detox. I am trying 100

>>or so these days see if that changes things. Pam

>>

>>On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Anne Seals

>><<mailto:anneseals@...>anneseals@...> wrote:

>>

>>As far as I'm concerned, I look upon a hysterectomy for fibroids the same

>>way I would taking a hammer to the warning lights on your car's dash

>>board. Those tumors are there to warn you of an imbalance, & removing

>>them does not correct the imbalance.

>>

>>Of course, the persistence of my fibroids, in spite of the iodine

>>protocol, is discouraging... I was kind of hoping they would be gone by now.

>>

>>In the meantime, it is amusing to me when docs try to sell you on

>> " getting rid of the problem. " If you read " The Castrated Woman, " she

>>surveyed a bunch of women who had had hysterectomies, & the average time

>>to feel like crap after a hysterectomy is a year. For myself, I have

>>reached a steady state where the 'broids are not growing or causing me

>>any pain, & have risen high enough into the abdomen that they don't cause

>>me much bladder compression. I am most of the way through menopause, &

>>therefore am only having the very occasional, very light period. A

>>hysterectomy at this point would cause me a LOT more misery than the

>>fibroids do, so I really cannot see how it is to my benefit in any way.

>>And if I ever get my body into proper balance, they will reward me by

>>going away on their own. (That's my theory, & I'm sticking to it!)

>>

>>Anne

>>

>>On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:37 AM, mzookiej wrote:

>>

>>Bless you, Anne. I so understand the terrors of agreeing to surgery!

>>Leaving " them " in charge is quite the gamble. I had a surgeon ready in

>>another state--he was the only one that claimed he could do the

>>myomectomy (sp?) AND I was seriously thinking of being a guinea pit for

>>MRI assisted ultra sounding my fibroids away at Mayo. They caused me so

>>much trouble. Every surgeon I saw would say " hysterectomy. you don't

>>need it anymore. " Then I would run out - I wasn't sure if I could

>>control throwing something at them and probably being arrested for

>>assault. But it angered me that much. To the male docs I chalked it up

>>to arrogance - and stupidity. To the females -- are you freeking

>>kidding me? Where did you go to school and may I please contact to

>>find if you really graduated?

>>

>>I am fighting surgery now, too. My daughter was 19 when they removed

>>her " possibly cancerous " lobe. It was not. Her life is not the same.

>>Thanks again.

>>~~~Barb

>>

>> >

>>

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

January 31, 2011

some things to help with detoxing when you take the iodine:- milk thistle is an herb which GREATLY helps the liver release the toxins; if you don't want to do a coffee enema- Also, there is a very good coffee substitute called Dandy Blend, made from dandelions and a couple other herbs - it is very tasty and after 7 years I finally got my husband to quit his many cups a day of coffee habit and switch, he loves his dandelion drink. Dandelion is excellent at helping to balance hormones so is good adrenal support. I' not taking any money from them whatsoever or doing ads for them, I just found it to be a good substitute for coffee, which I can't handle since the adrenal fatigue.

Hope this helps,ArielOn Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote: