Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

[Guest guest]

Are you in Ohio, by the way?

Sounds like a chiropractor that I saw here... I would tell your friend to

RUN!!!!

>

> OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

>

> Thx!

> --

> Kasey Dettinger

>

[Guest guest]



What chiropractor chrages 6,000 - 10,000 that's just criminal! She needs to find a doctor that knows what he is doing. Where are you located? Maybe we have a good doctor reference for her.

This is from Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book:

THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY

Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.

As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids—δ-iodolactone.

Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’ disease.

A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.

Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production.

Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine.

If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.

What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness

The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulin—anti-thyroglobulin antibodies.

In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes.

How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to iodinate lipids.

2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.

3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants.

4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.

5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.

The scoop on Hashimoto's

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]

We are in NW Ohio...and this is the Dr. and the book that this chiro bases her

stuff off of...

http://www.thyroidbook.com/

--

Kasey Dettinger

---- ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

> What chiropractor chrages 6,000 - 10,000 that's just criminal! She needs to

find a doctor that knows what he is doing. Where are you located? Maybe we

have a good doctor reference for her.

>

> This is from Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book:

>

> THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND

ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY

>

> Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated

form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only important for

preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the

oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the

oxidation/organification of iodine.

>

> As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through

the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to

provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If

organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and

iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is

controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated

lipids—δ-iodolactone.

>

> Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,

δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If

there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts

of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the

development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’

disease.

>

>

>

> A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

>

> The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The

mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria

produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative

phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with

oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible

for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including:

oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.

>

> Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue

syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the

molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and

utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book.

However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that

are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production.

>

> Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this

production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of

iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine.

>

> If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for

iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated

lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other

iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize

iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen

peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.

>

> What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness

>

> The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or

anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence

of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be

damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body

producing antibodies against thyroglobulin—anti-thyroglobulin antibodies.

>

> In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and

thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same

antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of

Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment

for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with

similar positive outcomes.

>

>

>

> How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

>

> 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to

iodinate lipids.

>

> 2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system

to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.

>

> 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with

antioxidants.

>

> 4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.

>

> 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> The scoop on Hashimoto's

>

>

>

> OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

>

> Thx!

> --

> Kasey Dettinger

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ummm yes...ohio...email me off list please....lol

--

Kasey Dettinger

---- alagonza2000 <alagonza2000@...> wrote:

> Are you in Ohio, by the way?

> Sounds like a chiropractor that I saw here... I would tell your friend to

RUN!!!!

>

>

> >

> > OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

> >

> > Thx!

> > --

> > Kasey Dettinger

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

What does TPO stand for. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone 4On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:34 PM, "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:



What chiropractor chrages 6,000 - 10,000 that's just criminal! She needs to find a doctor that knows what he is doing. Where are you located? Maybe we have a good doctor reference for her.

This is from Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book:

THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY

Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.

As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids—δ-iodolactone.

Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’ disease.

A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.

Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production.

Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine.

If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.

What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness

The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulin—anti-thyroglobulin antibodies.

In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes.

How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to iodinate lipids.

2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.

3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants.

4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.

5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.

The scoop on Hashimoto's

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]

Based on what was written in ch. 7 regarding h2o2, would it be beneficial to take food grade hydrogen peroxide? I I saw that there is a group for hydrogen peroxide as well. Thanks Sent from my iPhone 4On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, <kldett@...> wrote:

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?

Thx!

--

Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]



Thyroid Peroxidase. It's the process where the iodine is changed to iodide by an H2O2 reaction. There are antibodies (TPO Ab) that can occur against the process when not enough iodine is present to create the iodolactones.

Steph

The scoop on Hashimoto's

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]



I don't know. I haven't been asked that question before.

Steph

Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

Based on what was written in ch. 7 regarding h2o2, would it be beneficial to take food grade hydrogen peroxide? I I saw that there is a group for hydrogen peroxide as well. Thanks Sent from my iPhone 4

On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, <kldett@...> wrote:

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]

Hi Kasey,

Any chiropractor that can't get someone straightened out before

they've spent $6,000-10K is ridiculously unskilled, at minimum

unethical and at worst an outright scam artist.

I went to one when I was first told to quit working because of my

back. After a month of treatment, he told me he couldn't help me at

all, agreed that I was only getting minimal results, cut my

outstanding bill in half and asked me to try something else or apply

for disability, which he said was his last resort usually but that

he'd back me 100% when submitting his forms to Social Security.

That's how an ethical chiropractor works. Tell your friend to run. Fast.

HTH,

Deb

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM, <kldett@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

>

> Thx!

> --

> Kasey Dettinger

>

--

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Come check out the monthly Fullmetal Trivia tournament!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kasey,I was worried about taking iodine because I have/had Hashimoto's and I had read the book by Dr K that warned against taking iodine.     I would read one thing on this site, encouraging iodine, and other posts against it on other sites and wasn't sure what to do.     I ended up using iodine because I had very low levels of iodine.   I had bad detox symptoms and struggled to raise my dose for a while, but slowly got up to 100mg per day.     I couldn't say that I felt any better for it, but did continue.     I also had adrenal fatigue and a Reverse T3 problem.     I did begin feeling much better after beginning T3 only.     Then I was worried that if I was taking iodine, my Reverse T3 wouldn't clear, so I stopped the iodine.     I started feeling a lot worse again, so the iodine must have been doing something positive.     I went back to the iodine and raised to 100mg again, went back to the feelings of wellness I'd had since beginning T3 only, and my Reverse T3 cleared anyway.

I'm still on 100mgs and all the companion nutrients.I haven't had my Hashimoto's antibodies checked again, but I feel so much better that I'm sure they're not rising.I find it hard to know what to attribute to iodine and what to attribute to the T3, or all the extra vitamins I'm taking, but it seems to help and I'm better, not worse.

I have a very good diet and have had so for years, and years, don't use chemicals, live in the country in an area with few pollutants, etc. etc. so was surprised I got so many detox symptoms from the iodine, but I think it must have been all the organic, naturally low-caffeine, tea I was drinking.     i.e. the flouride in it, that lowered my iodine and caused the detox.     I would have liked to have done a detox program but could never decide which one to do ie. just liver and gallbladder or do colon cleasning first, kidney support - yes or no, etc. etc.    I'd still like to do some cleansing at some stage.

I think giving up gluten helped me a lot.On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:25 AM, <kldett@...> wrote:

 

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her " don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?

Thx!

--

Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]

Oh, I have that book. No wonder it costs so much. Dr. Kharrazian recommends

umpteen zillion lab tests. The usual ones plus a ton of immune function tests.

We had a discussion here recently about his statements on iodine, if someone can

find it.

> > What chiropractor chrages 6,000 - 10,000 that's just criminal! She needs to

find a doctor that knows what he is doing. Where are you located? Maybe we

have a good doctor reference for her.

> >

> > This is from Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book:

> >

> > THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND

ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY

> >

> > Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the

iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only

important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help

regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step

in the oxidation/organification of iodine.

> >

> > As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through

the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to

provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If

organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and

iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is

controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated

lipids†" δ-iodolactone.

> >

> > Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand,

δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If

there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts

of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the

development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’

disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

> >

> > The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The

mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria

produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative

phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with

oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible

for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including:

oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.

> >

> > Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue

syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the

molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and

utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book.

However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that

are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production.

> >

> > Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this

production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of

iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine.

> >

> > If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA

for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce

iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and

other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to

oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much

hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.

> >

> > What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness

> >

> > The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or

anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence

of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be

damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body

producing antibodies against thyroglobulin†" anti-thyroglobulin antibodies.

> >

> > In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and

thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same

antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of

Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment

for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with

similar positive outcomes.

> >

> >

> >

> > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders

> >

> > 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to

iodinate lipids.

> >

> > 2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH

system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.

> >

> > 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with

antioxidants.

> >

> > 4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.

> >

> > 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The scoop on Hashimoto's

> >

> >

> >

> > OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

> >

> > Thx!

> > --

> > Kasey Dettinger

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Email sent...

> > >

> > > OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

> > >

> > > Thx!

> > > --

> > > Kasey Dettinger

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]



It's unfortunate that there are shysters in every field. ( Especially MD's.) But this chiropractor is really what gives chiropractors a bad name. Anyone having health issues, should always get a second opinion. For him to say otherwise, should be a red flag to anyone.

The scoop on Hashimoto's

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]

A chiropractor diagnosed her? He's hardly qualified. Then he tells her not to

consult anyone else or educate herself and to hand him over a bunch of money?

OMG. She needs to run.

>

> OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

>

> Thx!

> --

> Kasey Dettinger

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that she needs to run from this. But unfortunately some need to find out the hard way. So sad that there are doctors like this.

Steph

Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

A chiropractor diagnosed her? He's hardly qualified. Then he tells her not to consult anyone else or educate herself and to hand him over a bunch of money? OMG. She needs to run.>> OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?> > Thx!> --> Kasey Dettinger>

[Guest guest]

This is the doc.....

http://www.dryolandaloafer.com/dryolandaloafer/dryolandaloafer.html

--

Kasey Dettinger

---- Sand <jesand54@...> wrote:

> A chiropractor diagnosed her? He's hardly qualified. Then he tells her not to

consult anyone else or educate herself and to hand him over a bunch of money?

OMG. She needs to run.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

> >

> > Thx!

> > --

> > Kasey Dettinger

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I disagree, there are a lot of chiropractors that have gotten into alternative medicine. There are qualified chiropractors that chose an alternative path and they are very, very good. Again there are bad apples in all fields. Who do you consider qualified to diagnose?

ANY doctor/chiro/NP that tells you not to get a 2nd opinion is just plain wrong, and is letting their ego guide their decisions.

Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

A chiropractor diagnosed her? He's hardly qualified. Then he tells her not to consult anyone else or educate herself and to hand him over a bunch of money? OMG. She needs to run.>> OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?> > Thx!> --> Kasey Dettinger>

[Guest guest]

I have read that h2o2 is a "reactive oxygen species" and acts as a free radical. Of course this has the potential to be both good and bad. I have also read countless articles about how h2o2 can cure cancer. Have you any background info on this subject? Redoecfully Sent from my iPhone 4On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:17 PM, "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:



I don't know. I haven't been asked that question before.

Steph

Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

Based on what was written in ch. 7 regarding h2o2, would it be beneficial to take food grade hydrogen peroxide? I I saw that there is a group for hydrogen peroxide as well. Thanks Sent from my iPhone 4

On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, <kldett@...> wrote:

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]



None other than reading in passing that it was used for cancer.

Steph

Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

Based on what was written in ch. 7 regarding h2o2, would it be beneficial to take food grade hydrogen peroxide? I I saw that there is a group for hydrogen peroxide as well. Thanks Sent from my iPhone 4

On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, <kldett@...> wrote:

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]



We have veered away from iodine, please take this discussion to the IodineOT group, link is at the bottom of this email. Thank you. Kathleen

Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

Based on what was written in ch. 7 regarding h2o2, would it be beneficial to take food grade hydrogen peroxide? I I saw that there is a group for hydrogen peroxide as well. Thanks Sent from my iPhone 4

On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, <kldett@...> wrote:

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]

Dr. Lowe is a chiropractor, and he's highly qualified to diagnose the whole

spectrum of thyroid conditions. He wrote a 1200-page book on the subject for

doctors.

This chiro, however, is using Dr. Kharrazian's protocols. And Dr. Kharrazian

doesn't say anything very coherent about iodine in his book. Perhaps your friend

will listen if you explain that Dr. K doesn't know much about iodine, and so

neither does her chiropractor.

If you check this thread:

iodine/message/69506

there is some discussion of the particulars, and the flaws in Dr. K's thinking.

> >

> > OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become

very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend

diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well.

SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff

about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things

- because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her

" don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one

that can help you " and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get

a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and

ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told

her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new

and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten

me....for my on knowledge?

> >

> > Thx!

> > --

> > Kasey Dettinger

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph, Can you recommend a doctor to me, I would be so grateful for any help.

I am in the NY area. Thank you for any help. I saw a Dr. Dennis Gage and I was

not impressed with him. Thank you Dorie

[Guest guest]

Read up on this before you experiment. There are a lot of claims made for H2O2, but it is powerful stuff. Undiluted, it can burn you. If taken internally, you want to take extra anti-oxidants. Do some serious reading before you try it.AnneOn Feb 10, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Coyle wrote: Based on what was written in ch. 7 regarding h2o2, would it be beneficial to take food grade hydrogen peroxide? I I saw that there is a group for hydrogen peroxide as well. Thanks Sent from my iPhone 4On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:25 PM, <kldett@...> wrote: OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge? Thx! -- Kasey Dettinger

[Guest guest]

You are right. There are good and bad chiros as there are good and bad MD's. My father was a chiropractor and he helped many people get well. It just depends on how they handle you. Telling you not to read or learn so that you can participate in your care is just wrong.

Steph

Re: The scoop on Hashimoto's

A chiropractor diagnosed her? He's hardly qualified. Then he tells her not to consult anyone else or educate herself and to hand him over a bunch of money? OMG. She needs to run.>> OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on knowledge?> > Thx!> --> Kasey Dettinger>

[Guest guest]

I have been following the iodine protocol for over two years taking 50 mg of iodine per day. My Hashi anti-bodies have decreased, one of them to under alert level. I no longer have heart flutters. I have not had a Hashi attack. My oestrogen dominance has gone away and I no longer have tender breasts at the end of my cycle.

Tell you friend that it is bad to take iodine for the reasons her doctor outlined, however, following the iodine protocol is not the same thing. With the iodine protocol there are many components which help the iodine be absorbed into the body without causing problems. Lots of people agree that lack of iodine is the cause of thyroid disease. The big issue is how to get it back into your body. Well, iodine on it's own does not work. The iodine protocol does. It provides the support the thyroid needs to use iodine correctly without causing harm.

There is a big language problem with this kind of discussion. People say that they are taking iodine in this group. But they are mostly following the iodine protocol and not taking kelp or another form of iodine on it's own. This is a big difference. May be you should try and explain things that way to your friend.

MacGilchrist

From: "kldett@..." <kldett@...>iodine Sent: Fri, 11 February, 2011 1:25:03Subject: The scoop on Hashimoto's

OK so I find it all too ironic that I stumble across this group and become very interested for my son with autism.....then 3 days later to have a friend diagnosed with Hashimoto's. On top of that she has a son with autism as well. SOOO I tell her that I am on this group and that I am reading all this stuff about iodine and hashimoto's and she should really get on and learn some things - because she as really upset! Well, the chiropractor that DX her told her "don't get on the internet, don't listen to anyone else....I am the only one that can help you" and, oh BTW it will cost you $6000-10,000. I told her to get a second opinion, and she hasn't....and have all but begged her to get on and ask Q's of others with the DX.....but she won't. She said that the chiro told her if she took iodine it would be like throwing gas on a fire.....now I am new and don't know a lot....but can those of you with Hashi chime in and enlighten me....for my on

knowledge?Thx!--Kasey Dettinger