so confused

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri,

I saved your message you wrote to me weeks ago,

wondering what to say. Sorry I didn't reply sooner.

I know hearing that Wyatt's spine is not as stable as

you'd like it is hard to hear. He is so young to be

dealing with this. I would hope you can get yet

another opinion from someone who has experience

treating kids like Wyatt. Mr. Pond is not an

orthopod, he is an orthotist. Big difference. Wyatt

(IMHO) needs to see a pediatric orthopedist who has

extensive experience with this stuff. If you are

willing to travel, I think that will be your best bet.

I'll write you privately with more of my rambling

thoughts in detail.

Take care and good luck!

Carmell

mom to Kara, idiopathic scoliosis, Blake 16, GERD and Braydon 11, VACTERL, GERD,

DGE, Titanium Rib Project patient #137 (dbl implant 8/01), thoracic

insufficiency, rib anomalies, congenital scoliosis (fusion surgery 5/96),

missing coccyx, fatty filum/TC (released 4/99), anal stenosis, chronic

constipation, horseshoe (cross-fused) kidney, dbl ureter in left kidney,

ureterocele (excized 6/95), kidney reflux (reimplant surgery 1/97), neurogenic

bladder, bilateral hip dysplasia, right leg/foot dyplasia, tibial torsion,

clubfoot with 8 toes (reconstructed 2/96, 3/96, 1/97, 3/04), pes cavus, single

umblilical artery, tonsil-adnoidectomy and ear tubes (3/98), etc.

http://carmellb-ivil.tripod.com/myfamily/

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Isn't Mike Pond the orthotist who makes the braces? I don't believe he is a

doctor. I would get an opinion from another orthopedist.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

so confused

Hi everyone! Well once again we are confused about Wyatt. We went to

slc, the clinic here in phoenix and seen Dr. Pond. He mad us feel

better and agreed with everything our local doctor did. only wondered

why he keep Wyatt in a TLSO. Said that wasn't common after fusion

surgery. Told me Wyatt could stay out of the TLSO and really would

have to wait for his next big growth to see what was going to happen,

because Wyatt's spine is so complex compared to most. Yesterday we

went back to our local dr. and he said his curve under the area that

was fused got 5 degrees worse and that Wyatt HAS to stay in a TLSO or

we'll have to do surgery again. Never said anything about the problem

with the rib area or the hips that slc had seen 2 weeks earlier. I'm

guessing an opinion from a 3rd, not sure anymore!! Just wondering if

this sounds like anyone else???

Terri

[Guest guest]

Oh my, why in the world would they make an appt. for Wyatt with that man if he

isn't a doctor? I can't even believes this. Well I'm willing to travel whatever.

Any ideas could help!!!

Thanks

Terri

Claflin <noellesmommy@...> wrote:

Isn't Mike Pond the orthotist who makes the braces? I don't believe he

is a doctor. I would get an opinion from another orthopedist.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

so confused

Hi everyone! Well once again we are confused about Wyatt. We went to

slc, the clinic here in phoenix and seen Dr. Pond. He mad us feel

better and agreed with everything our local doctor did. only wondered

why he keep Wyatt in a TLSO. Said that wasn't common after fusion

surgery. Told me Wyatt could stay out of the TLSO and really would

have to wait for his next big growth to see what was going to happen,

because Wyatt's spine is so complex compared to most. Yesterday we

went back to our local dr. and he said his curve under the area that

was fused got 5 degrees worse and that Wyatt HAS to stay in a TLSO or

we'll have to do surgery again. Never said anything about the problem

with the rib area or the hips that slc had seen 2 weeks earlier. I'm

guessing an opinion from a 3rd, not sure anymore!! Just wondering if

this sounds like anyone else???

Terri

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Terri,

IMHO, I think you should make an appointment to GO TO

SLC! Bypass the satellite facility in Phoenix. You

need to go to the source so you can get better

information. Also, it wouldn't hurt to make the trip

to SLC doubly worth it - make an appointment to see

Dr. at PCMC while you are here. Two more

opinions won't hurt at all. Dr. works closely

with Dr. D'Astous. They will be able to give you

better answers than Mike Pond. (Sad that he mislead

you to think he was a real doctor... does this happen

regularly with him?)

Carmell

--- terri mattson <terrilin_1999@...> wrote:

> Oh my, why in the world would they make an appt. for

> Wyatt with that man if he isn't a doctor? I can't

> even believes this. Well I'm willing to travel

> whatever. Any ideas could help!!!

> Thanks

> Terri

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri

I'm so glad that you have received advice from Carmell and Shellie -

Please try and see Dr D'Astous - Mike Pond isn't a doctor nor an

Orthotist. He is an Assistant. He helps with casting - And that's it

(or it should be!). He told me that he would have my daughter

" cured " . I KNEW that with her Marfan syndrome there was no " cure " to

her scoliosis.

I could RANT, I'm so mad - I hope you get the right advice for Wyatt

as soon as possible!!!

If you have insurance to visit Primary Children's in SLC, then as

Carmell suggests, try and get an opinion from Dr . Both Dr

D'Astous and Dr are fantastic - And have the knowledge and

experience to treat Wyatt.

Good luck.

Jacki

> Isn't Mike Pond the orthotist who makes the braces? I

don't believe he is a doctor. I would get an opinion from another

orthopedist.

>

>

> Noelle (12-2-01)

> Ian (8-15-04)

> so confused

>

> Hi everyone! Well once again we are confused about Wyatt. We went

to

> slc, the clinic here in phoenix and seen Dr. Pond. He mad us feel

> better and agreed with everything our local doctor did. only

wondered

> why he keep Wyatt in a TLSO. Said that wasn't common after fusion

> surgery. Told me Wyatt could stay out of the TLSO and really would

> have to wait for his next big growth to see what was going to

happen,

> because Wyatt's spine is so complex compared to most. Yesterday we

> went back to our local dr. and he said his curve under the area

that

> was fused got 5 degrees worse and that Wyatt HAS to stay in a TLSO

or

> we'll have to do surgery again. Never said anything about the

problem

> with the rib area or the hips that slc had seen 2 weeks earlier.

I'm

> guessing an opinion from a 3rd, not sure anymore!! Just wondering

if

> this sounds like anyone else???

> Terri

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only thing I can think of is that they thought you had issues with his brace

and didn't realize exactly what you wanted to be seen for???? Strange. Try to

call back there and get an appt. with Dr. D'Astous.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

so confused

Hi everyone! Well once again we are confused about Wyatt. We went to

slc, the clinic here in phoenix and seen Dr. Pond. He mad us feel

better and agreed with everything our local doctor did. only wondered

why he keep Wyatt in a TLSO. Said that wasn't common after fusion

surgery. Told me Wyatt could stay out of the TLSO and really would

have to wait for his next big growth to see what was going to happen,

because Wyatt's spine is so complex compared to most. Yesterday we

went back to our local dr. and he said his curve under the area that

was fused got 5 degrees worse and that Wyatt HAS to stay in a TLSO or

we'll have to do surgery again. Never said anything about the problem

with the rib area or the hips that slc had seen 2 weeks earlier. I'm

guessing an opinion from a 3rd, not sure anymore!! Just wondering if

this sounds like anyone else???

Terri

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Wow sounds like some complex issues with Wyatt. I know Mike Pond sounds very

confident and convincing but isn't he a physicians assistant rather than a doc.

I know I asked him particularly the first time we were in Salt Lake because we

don't have that position in Australia and I was confused. Is there someone with

heaps of experience with kids with complex spinal issues that you can talk to?

My understanding is that any xray measurement is +or - 5 degrees so has he

really gotten worse or does it depend who measures him. I know a little girl

here in Aus who was fused and she wore a brace for 6 months after surgery to

protect the fusion while it healed and " took, " is that possibly what is

happening with Wyatt. I would write down my list of questions and go back to

where you had the surgery.

Good luck

Bert

terrilin_1999 <terrilin_1999@...> wrote:

Hi everyone! Well once again we are confused about Wyatt. We went to

slc, the clinic here in phoenix and seen Dr. Pond. He mad us feel

better and agreed with everything our local doctor did. only wondered

why he keep Wyatt in a TLSO. Said that wasn't common after fusion

surgery. Told me Wyatt could stay out of the TLSO and really would

have to wait for his next big growth to see what was going to happen,

because Wyatt's spine is so complex compared to most. Yesterday we

went back to our local dr. and he said his curve under the area that

was fused got 5 degrees worse and that Wyatt HAS to stay in a TLSO or

we'll have to do surgery again. Never said anything about the problem

with the rib area or the hips that slc had seen 2 weeks earlier. I'm

guessing an opinion from a 3rd, not sure anymore!! Just wondering if

this sounds like anyone else???

Terri

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sorry Terri to be repeating what everyone else has said. I really should read

all the posts before I put my 2 cents worth in.

Good luck

Bert

terri mattson <terrilin_1999@...> wrote:

Oh my, why in the world would they make an appt. for Wyatt with that

man if he isn't a doctor? I can't even believes this. Well I'm willing to travel

whatever. Any ideas could help!!!

Thanks

Terri

Claflin <noellesmommy@...> wrote:

Isn't Mike Pond the orthotist who makes the braces? I don't believe he is a

doctor. I would get an opinion from another orthopedist.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

so confused

Hi everyone! Well once again we are confused about Wyatt. We went to

slc, the clinic here in phoenix and seen Dr. Pond. He mad us feel

better and agreed with everything our local doctor did. only wondered

why he keep Wyatt in a TLSO. Said that wasn't common after fusion

surgery. Told me Wyatt could stay out of the TLSO and really would

have to wait for his next big growth to see what was going to happen,

because Wyatt's spine is so complex compared to most. Yesterday we

went back to our local dr. and he said his curve under the area that

was fused got 5 degrees worse and that Wyatt HAS to stay in a TLSO or

we'll have to do surgery again. Never said anything about the problem

with the rib area or the hips that slc had seen 2 weeks earlier. I'm

guessing an opinion from a 3rd, not sure anymore!! Just wondering if

this sounds like anyone else???

Terri

[Guest guest]

Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you ask about the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with because it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or Clorox or olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It would get our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions on. How's that baby doing? Rita

So confused

My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I spent $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things like mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine, windex, borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am reading about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested in one of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be spraying chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what else?

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly,

This ordeal is sadly very costly for us all in more ways than one.

The good news is that this group here is very helpful, informative

and you can get some great ideas as well. Rita and Jeff are right,

the dehumidifier does help a lot because these mites or whatever they

are don't like the extreme dryness. With your little one, that might

be one non-toxic way to fight these things.

I just purchased a small one at Home Depot and I have already noticed

a difference in my condo. I don't know if you live in a humid area or

not but I live in Southern California and we have problems with mold

as well so the dehumidifer helps with that, too.

Best of luck to you.

Lady Dee

>

> Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you ask about

the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with because

it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or Clorox or

olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It would get

our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions on. How's

that baby doing? Rita

>

>

> So confused

>

>

> My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I

spent

> $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things

like

> mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

windex,

> borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am

reading

> about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested

in one

> of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

spraying

> chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what else?

>

[Guest guest]

Lady dee

thats great news that you have noticed an improvement!!!

Thats really terrific news.....and interesting what Tim had to say

about it helping to keep populations down and such.

God bless you friend

z

> >

> > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

> dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you ask

about

> the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with

because

> it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or Clorox or

> olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It would get

> our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions on.

How's

> that baby doing? Rita

> >

> >

> > So confused

> >

> >

> > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I

> spent

> > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things

> like

> > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

> windex,

> > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am

> reading

> > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

invested

> in one

> > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

> spraying

> > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what

else?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly! After trying so many different things for 2 months, I am going for the humidifier. I can't afford it but at this point, I just don't care. I've already spent so much, as you have. I live in Colorado so I was hoping the lack of humidity here would kill the mites off, but it hasn't. Someone suggested the one at Costco which runs about $200. The good thing about buying it through Costco.com is that with a receipt they take anything back that breaks (at least currently they do).

Best wishes for you and your family to be mite-free.

From: Holly <hollyjane11@...>Subject: So confusedbird mites Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:26 PM

My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I spent $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things like mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine, windex, borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am reading about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested in one of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be spraying chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what else?

[Guest guest]

Holly

Run a good dehumidifier and defusser with menthol man, you'd be

surprised how low the mite count drops! If they weren't internal and

just in my environment I think id be mite free. I been using the esp

soap, lotion, body oil, and insect spray. Really notice a whole lot of

grains and things coming up to surface of skin. Mind you I have

cataracts can't tell if there 'black specks' but feels like grains a

salt coming out the skin.

Were you get your ivermectin?

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 7:26 pm, Holly wrote:

> My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I spent

> $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things like

> mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine, windex,

> borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am reading

> about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested in one

> of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be spraying

> chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what else?

>

>

Adam

Rumblers C.C.

www.myspace.com/irishbandido

[Guest guest]

Lady D.,

It's wonderful that you are having great results with the

dehumidifier! I hope it continues until these rascals are gone!!

Best of wishes to you!

> >

> > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

> dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you ask

about

> the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with

because

> it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or Clorox or

> olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It would get

> our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions on.

How's

> that baby doing? Rita

> >

> >

> > So confused

> >

> >

> > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I

> spent

> > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things

> like

> > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

> windex,

> > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am

> reading

> > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested

> in one

> > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

> spraying

> > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what

else?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good news!! My mom lives in Austin and they have many dehumidifiers

on craigslist for cheap!! She said she will buy one for me and send

it up!! I am not running central air at this time, and my house

always seems humid between laundry, dishes and showers. I am just

going to throw everything i have at them. It HAS to work!! Thanks for

everyones help.

Adam, i bought the ivermectin at magicpharma.com

I wanted to try permetherin because of what everyone said about it on

the scabies forum. I still dont know what i have. Everyones stories

are so different. I am just going to try a little bit and see if it

helps.

> > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I

spent

> > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things

like

> > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

windex,

> > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am

reading

> > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested

in one

> > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

spraying

> > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what else?

> >

> >

> Adam

> Rumblers C.C.

> www.myspace.com/irishbandido

>

[Guest guest]

Holly,

The permethrin 5% is just another tool that I have added to my

arsenal. My derm gave me 5 refills of 60g and said use it every 3/4

days as my skin can tolerate to help break the mites cycle. I haven't

used it religously but it does help me when I do.

bob

> > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I

> spent

> > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things

> like

> > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

> windex,

> > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am

> reading

> > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested

> in one

> > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

> spraying

> > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what

else?

> > >

> > >

> > Adam

> > Rumblers C.C.

> > www.myspace.com/irishbandido

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi TrulyBlest,

Yes, the dehumidifier is helping a great deal but I am impatient and

want these things gone now! (don't we all!) I am going to

convert my condo into a mini Sahara desert if necessary! Ha! Thanks

again.

Lady Dee

> > >

> > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

> > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you ask

> about

> > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with

> because

> > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or Clorox

or

> > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It would

get

> > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions on.

> How's

> > that baby doing? Rita

> > >

> > >

> > > So confused

> > >

> > >

> > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this.

I

> > spent

> > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on

things

> > like

> > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

> > windex,

> > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i

am

> > reading

> > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

invested

> > in one

> > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

> > spraying

> > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what

> else?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so there!!! Got my new 30 pint and 45 pint units cranked up to

the max. Started at 56 percent (bought the separate digital

hygrometers)!!! No wonder the mites were lovin' it here!!!

Down in the low 40's in my bigger room, high 30's in the other one.

Took excellent advice here and took a " navy " shower (turned on, off,

soaped up, on to rinse, out) and ran the exhaust fan till the whole

shower area was dry. Fortunately one of the first things I did here

when moved in was put in a killer fan. Just hadn't been using it

enough! Thanks to all, esp to Jeff, Adam, miteyman, trly, frito,

where do I stop? You have collectively saved my life and there is,

finally, a light at the end of the tunnel.

BTW have been considering sulfur/vaseline to remove from skin. Is

there anything kinder gentler than that or epsom clorox? It's tough

to go to work with salt falling out of my pants! That was the only

day I did that... Pretty funny, really, but no way to explain it!!!

katiejill (livingwithcritters)

> > > >

> > > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

> > > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you ask

> > about

> > > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with

> > because

> > > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or Clorox

> or

> > > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It would

> get

> > > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions on.

> > How's

> > > that baby doing? Rita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So confused

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight

this.

> I

> > > spent

> > > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on

> things

> > > like

> > > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

> > > windex,

> > > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i

> am

> > > reading

> > > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

> invested

> > > in one

> > > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

> > > spraying

> > > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with

what

> > else?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You want to extract them from skin use tea tree tooth paste, it has

sulfur and the smell of tea tree to give a repellent smell. I been using

this on my body when I go out in public and use the esp new hope

products aswell, I've had great results before without using the esp and

even better with using both!. Here's the ingredients to read for

yourself;

INGREDIENTS: Calcium Carbonate, Purified Water, Sorbitol, Glycerin,

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Flavor, Carageenan Gum, Tea Tree (Melaleuca

alternifolia) Oil, Chlorophyll.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 6:32 pm, livingwithcritters wrote:

> I'm so there!!! Got my new 30 pint and 45 pint units cranked up to

> the max. Started at 56 percent (bought the separate digital

> hygrometers)!!! No wonder the mites were lovin' it here!!!

> Down in the low 40's in my bigger room, high 30's in the other one.

> Took excellent advice here and took a " navy " shower (turned on, off,

> soaped up, on to rinse, out) and ran the exhaust fan till the whole

> shower area was dry. Fortunately one of the first things I did here

> when moved in was put in a killer fan. Just hadn't been using it

> enough! Thanks to all, esp to Jeff, Adam, miteyman, trly, frito,

> where do I stop? You have collectively saved my life and there is,

> finally, a light at the end of the tunnel.

>

> BTW have been considering sulfur/vaseline to remove from skin. Is

> there anything kinder gentler than that or epsom clorox? It's tough

> to go to work with salt falling out of my pants! That was the only

> day I did that... Pretty funny, really, but no way to explain it!!!

>

> katiejill (livingwithcritters)

>

>

>> > > >

>> > > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

>> > > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you ask

>> > about

>> > > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with

>> > because

>> > > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or Clorox

>> or

>> > > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It would

>> get

>> > > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions on.

>> > How's

>> > > that baby doing? Rita

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > So confused

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight

> this.

>> I

>> > > spent

>> > > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on

>> things

>> > > like

>> > > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

>> > > windex,

>> > > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i

>> am

>> > > reading

>> > > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

>> invested

>> > > in one

>> > > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

>> > > spraying

>> > > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with

> what

>> > else?

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

>

Adam

Rumblers C.C.

www.myspace.com/irishbandido

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Hi Holly, Can i ask u what are your symptoms??I am really confused too about what i have, i had birdmite in the other appt, here some things look like that but are bigger, we also found what look like lices on the floor and two days ago, on me, i picked it up from my back! It was red in color but a small long shape, so i don't think it was a bird mite. And i don't think it is a collembolla, it reazlly look like a lice! I have never read that scabies and or lices does a biting and stinig sensation/crawling...Did u??Did u read that and Is it your symptoms??I can not see the mites too, but i know it is hard!I am supposing i have bird mite and lices! ;SSS as crazy as it is! My man doesn't feel any of both.So i try to treat for both! But i wonder too if i should

try permetrin. But i am afraid cause i just exterminated with permetrin too!!! I just arrived in my house now. It is smelling so bad and i am sick with lyme diease so that is why i am afraid, but i really think about permtrin on the skin even tough at my point.I woud like to know your symptoms and what you did until now to help and if it does.Thanks, good luck Holly too! Re: So confused

Good news!! My mom lives in Austin and they have many dehumidifiers

on craigslist for cheap!! She said she will buy one for me and send

it up!! I am not running central air at this time, and my house

always seems humid between laundry, dishes and showers. I am just

going to throw everything i have at them. It HAS to work!! Thanks for

everyones help.

Adam, i bought the ivermectin at magicpharma. com

I wanted to try permetherin because of what everyone said about it on

the scabies forum. I still dont know what i have. Everyones stories

are so different. I am just going to try a little bit and see if it

helps.

> > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight this. I

spent

> > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on things

like

> > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia, listerine,

windex,

> > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now i am

reading

> > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have invested

in one

> > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not be

spraying

> > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with what else?

> >

> >

> Adam

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Hmm. sounds much much better.

I found several candidates, which do you use?

http://www.google.com/search?q=tea+tree+toothpaste

thx so much,

katiejill

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

> >> > > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you

ask

> >> > about

> >> > > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with

> >> > because

> >> > > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or

Clorox

> >> or

> >> > > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It

would

> >> get

> >> > > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions

on.

> >> > How's

> >> > > that baby doing? Rita

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > So confused

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight

> > this.

> >> I

> >> > > spent

> >> > > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on

> >> things

> >> > > like

> >> > > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia,

listerine,

> >> > > windex,

> >> > > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now

i

> >> am

> >> > > reading

> >> > > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

> >> invested

> >> > > in one

> >> > > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not

be

> >> > > spraying

> >> > > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with

> > what

> >> > else?

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> Adam

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I get mine by the case from puritans pride its like 2.50$ a 5oz tube

Here's the link:

http://www.puritansale.com/tea-tree-oil-products-014/tea-tree-oil-toothpaste-005\

302?cm_mmc=Channel_Intelligence-_-google-_-Tea_Tree_Oil_Products_Dental_AND_Oral\

_Care_Quality_Vitamins_AND_Supplements_Are_Our_Specialty-_-TEA_TREE_OIL_TOOTHPAS\

TE & afid=72 & safid=google & scid=6574 & ci_src=14110944 & ci_sku=910

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 7:51 pm, livingwithcritters wrote:

> Hmm. sounds much much better.

> I found several candidates, which do you use?

> http://www.google.com/search?q=tea+tree+toothpaste

> thx so much,

> katiejill

>

>

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the

>> >> > > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you

> ask

>> >> > about

>> >> > > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with

>> >> > because

>> >> > > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or

> Clorox

>> >> or

>> >> > > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It

> would

>> >> get

>> >> > > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions

> on.

>> >> > How's

>> >> > > that baby doing? Rita

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > So confused

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight

>> > this.

>> >> I

>> >> > > spent

>> >> > > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on

>> >> things

>> >> > > like

>> >> > > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia,

> listerine,

>> >> > > windex,

>> >> > > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now

> i

>> >> am

>> >> > > reading

>> >> > > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

>> >> invested

>> >> > > in one

>> >> > > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not

> be

>> >> > > spraying

>> >> > > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with

>> > what

>> >> > else?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> Adam

>> Rumblers C.C.

>> www.myspace.com/irishbandido

>>

>

>

Adam

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Thank you, Adam. I'm ordering some tonight.

katiejill

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with

the

> >> >> > > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also

you

> > ask

> >> >> > about

> >> >> > > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies

with

> >> >> > because

> >> >> > > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or

> > Clorox

> >> >> or

> >> >> > > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It

> > would

> >> >> get

> >> >> > > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing

solutions

> > on.

> >> >> > How's

> >> >> > > that baby doing? Rita

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > > So confused

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight

> >> > this.

> >> >> I

> >> >> > > spent

> >> >> > > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on

> >> >> things

> >> >> > > like

> >> >> > > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia,

> > listerine,

> >> >> > > windex,

> >> >> > > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast.

Now

> > i

> >> >> am

> >> >> > > reading

> >> >> > > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

> >> >> invested

> >> >> > > in one

> >> >> > > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather

not

> > be

> >> >> > > spraying

> >> >> > > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with

> >> > what

> >> >> > else?

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > >

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> Adam

> >> Rumblers C.C.

> >> www.myspace.com/irishbandido

> >>

> >

> >

> Adam

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You're welcome, rub a good layer before bed and before heading out,

carry a tube with you to add to face and arms. That's how I been doing

it, gives a relief and cuts them down in your area. Me I have them

internally in my respitory so when im sitting in one spot and being

swarmed this has helped me tremendously.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 8:03 pm, livingwithcritters wrote:

> Thank you, Adam. I'm ordering some tonight.

> katiejill

>

>

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with

> the

>> >> >> > > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also

> you

>> > ask

>> >> >> > about

>> >> >> > > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies

> with

>> >> >> > because

>> >> >> > > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or

>> > Clorox

>> >> >> or

>> >> >> > > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It

>> > would

>> >> >> get

>> >> >> > > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing

> solutions

>> > on.

>> >> >> > How's

>> >> >> > > that baby doing? Rita

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > > So confused

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight

>> >> > this.

>> >> >> I

>> >> >> > > spent

>> >> >> > > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on

>> >> >> things

>> >> >> > > like

>> >> >> > > > mattress covers, pillow covers, bleach, ammonia,

>> > listerine,

>> >> >> > > windex,

>> >> >> > > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast.

> Now

>> > i

>> >> >> am

>> >> >> > > reading

>> >> >> > > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have

>> >> >> invested

>> >> >> > > in one

>> >> >> > > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather

> not

>> > be

>> >> >> > > spraying

>> >> >> > > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with

>> >> > what

>> >> >> > else?

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> Adam

>> >> Rumblers C.C.

>> >> www.myspace.com/irishbandido

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> Adam

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>

>

Adam

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I like that a lot, Adam, thanks so much, always on the search, huh? Great web scouting.

so, now got the ESP on my shopping list as well and try to use up all the g'zillion and very costly bottles and jars already accumulated , I might just toss a few things, want to travel lightly and stay clutter free.

Dehumidifier full blast 24/7, not doing well with the epsom/clorox spray, it reeks up the hallway (neighbors way too close for comfort in this high rise ) and the stuff makes me sick.

Now, been debating to share this with all, but yesterday I got the ultimate humbling instance, this cool dude rode up with me in the elevator and mumbled more to himself " smells like a toilet in here'....he was not refering to certain toilet smells per se, but to the heavily sprayed tote with clorox, previously laced with mothballs, tto etc...

That did it for me, this woman used to go to high end hair salons, etc....always smelling good in the past , dressing nicely, now this.....no more leper /pauper existence for me, as soon as I move again this weekend, going more minimalist each time, I WILL GO ALL NATURAL in my combat mode, it will be a gentler war this time, I believe it works, already tested it, can hardly wait for my New Hope kit to arrive to smell good and have stuff oozing out of me. I also take my claritin again, after re-reading the report about the 18/20 collembola victims in the study in Oklahoma. Along with my MSM caps.

BTW. when you guys describe your 'exiting of those things'. which makes me wanna barf sometimes just reading it and wondering if I will experience the same fate, though ultra ready for whatever as long it is OUT OF ME>

Thanks so much to all....

That Trisha is allright, studied her whole website..

M> Hmm. sounds much much better.> I found several candidates, which do you

use?> http://www.google. com/search? q=tea+tree+ toothpaste> thx so much,> katiejill>> >> >> > > >>> >> > > > Holly, there are a lot of people finding success with the>> >> > > dehumidifiers. It might be something to look into. Also you> ask>> >> > about>> >> > > the dawn dish soap. We used the dawn to wash our bodies with>> >> > because>> >> > > it removes all the oil from the skin so that the salt or> Clorox>> >> or>> >> > > olive oil can get right on the darn bugs, sores, etc. It> would>> >> get>> >> > > our skin very clean and ready to put the healing solutions> on.>> >> > How's>> >> > > that baby

doing? Rita>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > So confused>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > My dad sent me $500 last week to buy supplies to fight>> > this.>> >> I>> >> > > spent>> >> > > > $160 on ivermectin and permetherin. I spent the rest on>> >> things>> >> > > like>> >> > > > mattress covers, pillow covers,

bleach, ammonia,> listerine,>> >> > > windex,>> >> > > > borax, trash bags, shampoos...it all adds up so fast. Now> i>> >> am>> >> > > reading>> >> > > > about dehumidifiers, and am wondering if i should have>> >> invested>> >> > > in one>> >> > > > of those instead. I have a newborn, and would rather not> be>> >> > > spraying>> >> > > > chemicals. Are dehumidifiers really working? Along with>> > what>> >> > else?>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>>> >>> >>> Adam >> Rumblers C.C.>> www.myspace. com/irishbandido>>>> Adam

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