Re: Not Sure What Happened To Me

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Wow that must have been an awful experience. Glad to hear you survived. Did you

have lymph node problems to begin with??

> From: clairecwest <clairewest@...>

> Subject: Not Sure What Happened To Me

> iodine

> Received: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:24 PM

> Warning:  Very long post.

>

> Background:  Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically,

> mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode,

> when the following  ordeal began.  I went off the

> Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to

> add any possible fuel to the fire.  I began my topical

> application again as indicated below.

>

> Note:  I've not seen any posts on this forum for the

> last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something that

> might be pertinent to the material below.

>

> Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was

> finally getting back to full strength after my three week

> detox in December.  But Saturday started with a sudden

> swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the neck, down

> to the breastbone.  Over the next week, the impacted

> glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and painful and

> were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which

> never broke, not even in the middle of the night or early

> morning.  (As usual, though I was unable to sweat

> during this time.)

>

> Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down to

> the elbow of my left arm which caused me further pain and

> alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I accepted the

> blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan

> (involving  x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test

> results indicated an extended blood clot which I was told

> could break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart,

> causing stroke or death.  At 3:00 am I was transferred

> by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away.

>

> At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

> atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my stress

> (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and

> emotionally.   After speaking with two

> doctors there, it was clear that they presented me with no

> choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if the

> cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin

> treatment with the drug warfarin.  I was there only 7

> hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of

> responsibility for me and securing a discharge.  It was

> with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to leave.

>

> Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get

> through the day and the night.  (I hadn't taken any

> pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

>

> Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin

> is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as a rat

> poison.  Treatment involves constant monitoring for

> internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a result of

> the blood being unable to clot.  Warfarin is incapable,

> however, of dissolving any existing clot.   I

> found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an over the

> counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional Japanese

> food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot,

> and any future clots, without impeding the needed ability of

> the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the food

> and the supplement.

>  

> In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to

> recede, but the fever continued and the pain increased as

> the swelling descended down into my side, enlarging my left

> breast, my lower arm and my left hand.  I could barely

> move my left arm which was about double the size of my

> right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules on my arm

> and also on my neck and stomach.

>  

> Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually

> incurable and considered by the medical community as pretty

> much untreatable except for palliative measures). 

> Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying the

> Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a

> lower dosage – 75 mg.  I also used coconut oil to

> prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening

> as I read could happen.

>

> Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini

> trampoline) which, through the mechanism of jumping, forces

> the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and active

> opening and closing of the valves.  I also learned it

> would help dissolve blood clots!  I've ordered a

> rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2 " slab of

> latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to " jump " (not

> much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. 

> From my first try, this felt surprising good. 

> Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and

> dissolving my clot.  It is certainly increasing much

> needed deep breathing and blood circulation.

>

> As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly

> disturbed by severe leg pains at night.  For years, I

> would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year.  Now I

> was getting them every night and having to get out of bed to

> walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away.  It

> turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain

> instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was

> simply due to all the stress I've been under.

>  

> Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion.  Some

> was the due to the dispiriting and difficult interactions

> with five different doctors who, while they did give me some

> valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned about

> me, also made everything more difficult by becoming angry

> and offended when I turned down their recommendations.

> Although they were careful not to come out and say they

> thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat

> scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to

> whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought

> necessary.  It was hard for me to defend myself and

> explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change

> anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so

> years has been designed to combat cancer.

>  

> I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily

> signs of that  -- but it is clearly going to happen

> slowly.  If, instead, things get worse, I'm really not

> sure what my next step would be.  I would have to be in

> very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it is

> they have to offer me.

>

> I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in

> Oceanside, CA).  I'm not sure though, if this would

> really work for me.  They each seem to have their own

> viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and would

> any of them have known about or thought of

> nattokinase?  Or a rebounder?  Would they even be

> willing to work with me if a have a clot which could become

> lethal?  I am beginning to think I need my HMO (Kaiser)

> for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were

> able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I might

> have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual

> symptoms).  Armed with that kind of info, and the

> internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable, than

> working with any kind of alternative doctor.  But I am

> open to any suggestions on this.

>

> I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in

> terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in any way a

> result of the iodine protocol.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

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How long were you taking 125 mg of Lugols? And did you work up to that dosage?

Not Sure What Happened To Me

Warning: Very long post.Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my topical application again as indicated below.Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something that might be pertinent to the material below.Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was finally getting back to full strength after my three week detox in December. But Saturday started with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never broke, not even in the middle of the night or early morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat during this time.) Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test results indicated an extended blood clot which I was told could break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away.At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it was clear that they presented me with no choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to leave.Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving any existing clot. I found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any future clots, without impeding the needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the food and the supplement.In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to recede, but the fever continued and the pain increased as the swelling descended down into my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about double the size of my right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and stomach.Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually incurable and considered by the medical community as pretty much untreatable except for palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying the Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I read could happen.Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and active opening and closing of the valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to "jump" (not much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep breathing and blood circulation.As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night. For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year. Now I was getting them every night and having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply due to all the stress I've been under.Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some was the due to the dispiriting and difficult interactions with five different doctors who, while they did give me some valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned about me, also made everything more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I turned down their recommendations. Although they were careful not to come out and say they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years has been designed to combat cancer.I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm really not sure what my next step would be. I would have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it is they have to offer me.I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this would really work for me. They each seem to have their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and would any of them have known about or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be willing to work with me if a have a clot which could become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable, than working with any kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any suggestions on this.I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

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Somehow in western medicine, the lymphatic system gets consistently overlooked. The lymphatic system is as large & complex as the venous system, & has important detox functions, & yet somehow, we never give it as much attention... (Every time we talk about opening detox pathways, for example, we should talk about rebounding. Because the lymph system is one of the detox pathways, & rebounding seems to be one of the best things you can do to keep it flowing properly.)So far, you have done everything I was going to recommend as I read along. So in terms of advice for further approaches, you need somebody smarter than I am. Have you tried magnesium oil on the restless legs? In addition to the nattokinase, you might try the enzyme serropeptase (sp?) And maybe some detoxing baths would help. When the rebounder comes, I suggest putting it somewhere where you will pass it frequently, & starting with a really SHORT session every time you go by, slowly building your way up. (This reminds me that our rebounder got stuffed in the basement right before Christmas, & I need to bring it back into the light!) Not only do you want to strengthen the muscles gradually, but you don't want the lymph system to be dumping huge amounts of toxins all at once. You don't even have to jump really high -- just standing on it & bouncing very slightly, without your feet even leaving the surface, will get the process started. (Very sick people can sit on the rebounder & have somebody else jump on it for them.)When you refer to a 3-week detox, I don't know if you are talking about iodine alone, or some other protocol in combination. Some people do report detox issues when they combine 2 detox protocols. When you are really sick & toxic, & you get things moving, sometimes you get a bit more moving than you bargained for...But they talk a lot in alternative health circles about the Herxheimer effect. Sometimes getting well involves getting sicker for a while, first. If there are any kind of infectious pathogens in the body, & you start killing them off, they release toxins. The body can maintain itself in a weird state of static ill health, with toxins locked up all over the body. You're sick, & you know you're sick, but somehow your body is protecting you from the worst of it. It's a bit like house-cleaning, when the house has gotten REALLY dirty. When you go to clean up, the air fills with dust, the moldy containers at the back of the fridge stink when you wrench the lids off, & the place generally feels dirtier for a while, because the grunge isn't lurking quietly any more.Given that the Herxheimer thing makes you feel worse, & getting a new disease of some sort makes you feel worse, it is really hard to know if you are feeling sick in a good way or a bad way. It is possible that since you have been so actively working on detox, you have just stirred up a bit more than you can comfortably handle. But it is kind of scary, when you are doing everything you can to support your health & you feel worse.I don't even know what to tell you about the doctor piece. They take it so personally when you don't fall into line with their instructions. Only you can figure out how much their diagnositic know-how is worth, or whether a particular doc is reasonable enough to work with. Personally, as long as you don't feel that you are in imminent danger & are not frightened, I would try to take a while to work though whatever this is. Experiment gently with your rebounder; do as much passive detox as you can; take it kind of easy. I think sometimes we forget the importance of resting during detox. I wouldn't do any aggressive detox for a while, because you don't need to stir up a lot more new stuff to deal with. Give things a chance to settle. (If you start to feel really scared or much sicker, then it is time to reevaluate.)Good luck. And keep us posted.AnneOn Feb 15, 2011, at 12:24 PM, clairecwest wrote: Warning: Very long post. Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my topical application again as indicated below. Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something that might be pertinent to the material below. Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was finally getting back to full strength after my three week detox in December. But Saturday started with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never broke, not even in the middle of the night or early morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat during this time.) Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test results indicated an extended blood clot which I was told could break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away. At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it was clear that they presented me with no choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to leave. Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.) Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving any existing clot. I found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any future clots, without impeding the needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the food and the supplement. In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to recede, but the fever continued and the pain increased as the swelling descended down into my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about double the size of my right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and stomach. Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually incurable and considered by the medical community as pretty much untreatable except for palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying the Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I read could happen. Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and active opening and closing of the valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to "jump" (not much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep breathing and blood circulation. As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night. For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year. Now I was getting them every night and having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply due to all the stress I've been under. Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some was the due to the dispiriting and difficult interactions with five different doctors who, while they did give me some valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned about me, also made everything more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I turned down their recommendations. Although they were careful not to come out and say they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years has been designed to combat cancer. I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm really not sure what my next step would be. I would have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it is they have to offer me. I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this would really work for me. They each seem to have their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and would any of them have known about or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be willing to work with me if a have a clot which could become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable, than working with any kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any suggestions on this. I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

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,Sorry for what you have been through.I have been taken Warfarin, Heparin and Lovenox (the last two are injectables). I cannot advise towards Lugol's role, but I would like to ask you to think twice regarding the before mentioned medicine. I DO NOT think nattokinase (or serrapeptase) are enough when it comes to a blood clot - YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR HEALTH AT RISK!!! They should have started you on an injectable ASAP, as Warfarin talkes a few days for full effect. It is (???)/was indeed used as rat poison, but it has been around for ages and it is safe to use. Yes, you need to check your blood periodically (monthly) - so what? It is not pleasant, but it is not horrific either. And most probable it will save your life. After a few months on it and the clot dissolved, you can then switch to the enzymes. Please, do not play with this. I am all for natural remedies, do not take any prescription medication, but still weight on the blood thinners vs enzymes. I completely lost my hearing in my right ear within two hours (poc, poc and then silence; end of strory). A tiny mini-mini stroke was the probable cause. Actually, a tiny clot in the tiny blood vessels that go to the ear. IT WAS NOT an embolism... but I'll live with it for the rest of my life. Embolisms are not to be treated lightly... if it was a blood clot, you are lucky to be alive after all the time, but I would not wait and see what is happening. And yes, Warfarin & LMWH (Low Molecular Weigh Heparin, meaning all the injectables used for blood thinning) WILL dissolve your clot.If I can also suggest, at least take 1 baby aspirin (81 mg.). Just my 2 cents.Best of health to you!(the other) Stephiodine From: clairewest@...Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:24:13 +0000Subject: Not Sure What Happened To Me

Warning: Very long post.

Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my topical application again as indicated below.

Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something that might be pertinent to the material below.

Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was finally getting back to full strength after my three week detox in December. But Saturday started with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never broke, not even in the middle of the night or early morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat during this time.)

Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test results indicated an extended blood clot which I was told could break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away.

At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it was clear that they presented me with no choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to leave.

Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving any existing clot. I found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any future clots, without impeding the needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the food and the supplement.

In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to recede, but the fever continued and the pain increased as the swelling descended down into my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about double the size of my right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and stomach.

Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually incurable and considered by the medical community as pretty much untreatable except for palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying the Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I read could happen.

Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and active opening and closing of the valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to "jump" (not much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep breathing and blood circulation.

As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night. For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year. Now I was getting them every night and having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply due to all the stress I've been under.

Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some was the due to the dispiriting and difficult interactions with five different doctors who, while they did give me some valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned about me, also made everything more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I turned down their recommendations. Although they were careful not to come out and say they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years has been designed to combat cancer.

I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm really not sure what my next step would be. I would have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it is they have to offer me.

I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this would really work for me. They each seem to have their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and would any of them have known about or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be willing to work with me if a have a clot which could become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable, than working with any kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any suggestions on this.

I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

[Guest guest]

Anne,

Thank you so much for the very helpful suggestions, esp. with regard

to the use of the rebounder.  I have tried magnesium oil on my legs

(thinking at the time I might have blood clots there as well and the

oil might help open the veins) but without any noticeable

difference.  I will research the serropeptase.

Re: resting during this time . . . I really have no choice, after

I've been moving about for an hour or two, my back begins to ache --

I think in connection with the low grade fever which, although no

longer constant, is still a real factor.  So I am lying down quite a

bit.

On 2/15/2011 2:45 PM, Anne Seals wrote:

 

Somehow in western medicine, the lymphatic system gets

consistently overlooked. The lymphatic system is as large

& complex as the venous system, & has important

detox functions, & yet somehow, we never give it as

much attention... (Every time we talk about opening detox

pathways, for example, we should talk about rebounding.

Because the lymph system is one of the detox pathways,

& rebounding seems to be one of the best things you

can do to keep it flowing properly.)

So far, you have done everything I was going to

recommend as I read along. So in terms of advice for

further approaches, you need somebody smarter than I am.

Have you tried magnesium oil on the restless legs? In

addition to the nattokinase, you might try the enzyme

serropeptase (sp?) And maybe some detoxing baths would

help. When the rebounder comes, I suggest putting it

somewhere where you will pass it frequently, &

starting with a really SHORT session every time you go by,

slowly building your way up. (This reminds me that our

rebounder got stuffed in the basement right before

Christmas, & I need to bring it back into the light!)

Not only do you want to strengthen the muscles gradually,

but you don't want the lymph system to be dumping huge

amounts of toxins all at once. You don't even have to jump

really high -- just standing on it & bouncing very

slightly, without your feet even leaving the surface, will

get the process started. (Very sick people can sit on the

rebounder & have somebody else jump on it for them.)

When you refer to a 3-week detox, I don't know if you

are talking about iodine alone, or some other protocol in

combination. Some people do report detox issues when they

combine 2 detox protocols. When you are really sick &

toxic, & you get things moving, sometimes you get a

bit more moving than you bargained for...

But they talk a lot in alternative health circles about

the Herxheimer effect. Sometimes getting well involves

getting sicker for a while, first. If there are any kind

of infectious pathogens in the body, & you start

killing them off, they release toxins. The body can

maintain itself in a weird state of static ill health,

with toxins locked up all over the body. You're sick,

& you know you're sick, but somehow your body is

protecting you from the worst of it. It's a bit like

house-cleaning, when the house has gotten REALLY dirty.

When you go to clean up, the air fills with dust, the

moldy containers at the back of the fridge stink when you

wrench the lids off, & the place generally feels

dirtier for a while, because the grunge isn't lurking

quietly any more.

Given that the Herxheimer thing makes you feel worse,

& getting a new disease of some sort makes you feel

worse, it is really hard to know if you are feeling sick

in a good way or a bad way. It is possible that since you

have been so actively working on detox, you have just

stirred up a bit more than you can comfortably handle. But

it is kind of scary, when you are doing everything you can

to support your health & you feel worse.

I don't even know what to tell you about the doctor

piece. They take it so personally when you don't fall into

line with their instructions. Only you can figure out how

much their diagnositic know-how is worth, or whether a

particular doc is reasonable enough to work with.

Personally, as long as you don't feel that you are in

imminent danger & are not frightened, I would try to

take a while to work though whatever this is. Experiment

gently with your rebounder; do as much passive detox as

you can; take it kind of easy. I think sometimes we forget

the importance of resting during detox. I wouldn't do any

aggressive detox for a while, because you don't need to

stir up a lot more new stuff to deal with. Give things a

chance to settle. (If you start to feel really scared or

much sicker, then it is time to reevaluate.)

Good luck. And keep us posted.

Anne

On Feb 15, 2011, at 12:24 PM, clairecwest wrote:

 

Warning: Very long post.

Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically,

mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing

mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off

the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox,

but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I

began my topical application again as indicated

below.

Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the

last three weeks, so don't know if I missed

something that might be pertinent to the material

below.

Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I

was finally getting back to full strength after my

three week detox in December. But Saturday started

with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left

front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the

next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and

grotesque looking and painful and were accompanied

by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never

broke, not even in the middle of the night or early

morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat

during this time.)

Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down

to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further

pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There

I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but

refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an

intravenous dye). The test results indicated an

extended blood clot which I was told could break off

and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing

stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by

ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away.

At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my

stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically

and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors

there, it was clear that they presented me with no

choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if

the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately

begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there

only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the

doctors of responsibility for me and securing a

discharge. It was with enormous relief and comfort

that I dressed to leave.

Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose)

to get through the day and the night. (I hadn't

taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to

this.)

Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that

warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and

also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant

monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and

elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to

clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving

any existing clot. I found I could instead safely

take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement),

and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food

containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing

clot, and any future clots, without impeding the

needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a

regimen of both the food and the supplement.

In the days that followed, the glands in my neck

began to recede, but the fever continued and the

pain increased as the swelling descended down into

my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and

my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which

was about double the size of my right, and I had

developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also

on my neck and stomach.

Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema

(usually incurable and considered by the medical

community as pretty much untreatable except for

palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread

infection I began applying the Lugol's again,

topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower

dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent

the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening

as I read could happen.

Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder

(mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of

jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a

healthy and active opening and closing of the

valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood

clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am

using a doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under

my barre, to enable me to "jump" (not much off the

slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my

first try, this felt surprising good. Hopefully it

is helping clear the impacted glands and dissolving

my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep

breathing and blood circulation.

As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night.

For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times

a year. Now I was getting them every night and

having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or

so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a

variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of

itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply

due to all the stress I've been under.

Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion.

Some was the due to the dispiriting and difficult

interactions with five different doctors who, while

they did give me some valuable information and

seemed genuinely concerned about me, also made

everything more difficult by becoming angry and

offended when I turned down their recommendations.

Although they were careful not to come out and say

they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they

wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis so

they could proceed to whatever

radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It

was hard for me to defend myself and explain why a

confirmation of cancer would not change anything in

my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years

has been designed to combat cancer.

I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small,

daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to

happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm

really not sure what my next step would be. I would

have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and

accept what it is they have to offer me.

I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby

(in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this

would really work for me. They each seem to have

their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and

protocols -- and would any of them have known about

or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would

they even be willing to work with me if a have a

clot which could become lethal? I am beginning to

think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel

they are safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me

I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have

Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual

symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the

internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable,

than working with any kind of alternative doctor.

But I am open to any suggestions on this.

I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all

this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or

in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

[Guest guest]

Gwen,

It was a fairly gradual shift upwards (I started about 7 months ago

with 25 mg.) And when I went to 125 mg, I also went to alternate

days. Still, it might have been too much, too soon. I was thinking

that topically, the Lugol's would not have as much impact as

orally. One other thing, though, about a week previous to all this

I tried the salve on my scalp and that might have "moved" more

things than I bargained for.

How long were you taking 125 mg of Lugols? And did

you work up to that dosage?

Not Sure What Happened To Me

Warning: Very long post.

Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed

with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode,

when the following ordeal began. I went off the

Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but

afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began

my topical application again as indicated below.

Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the

last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something

that might be pertinent to the material below.

Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was

finally getting back to full strength after my three

week detox in December. But Saturday started with a

sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of

the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week,

the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque

looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever

ranging from 101 to 102 which never broke, not even in

the middle of the night or early morning. (As usual,

though I was unable to sweat during this time.)

Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down

to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further

pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I

accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused

the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous

dye). The test results indicated an extended blood

clot which I was told could break off and move to the

brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or death. At

3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO

hospital about an hour away.

At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my

stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and

emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it

was clear that they presented me with no choice except

to have the cat scan (to determine if the cause was a

cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment

with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7 hours

before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of

responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was

with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to

leave.

Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to

get through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any

pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that

warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and

also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant

monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and

elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to

clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving

any existing clot. I found I could instead safely take

nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and eat

natto (a traditional Japanese food containing

mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any

future clots, without impeding the needed ability of

the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the

food and the supplement.

In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began

to recede, but the fever continued and the pain

increased as the swelling descended down into my side,

enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left

hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about

double the size of my right, and I had developed a

rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and

stomach.

Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema

(usually incurable and considered by the medical

community as pretty much untreatable except for

palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread

infection I began applying the Lugol's again,

topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower

dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the

tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I

read could happen.

Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder

(mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of

jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a

healthy and active opening and closing of the valves.

I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots!

I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a

doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under my barre,

to enable me to "jump" (not much off the slab) while

pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this

felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear

the impacted glands and dissolving my clot. It is

certainly increasing much needed deep breathing and

blood circulation.

As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night.

For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a

year. Now I was getting them every night and having to

get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make

the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation of

Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly

feelings) and the increase was simply due to all the

stress I've been under.

Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some

was the due to the dispiriting and difficult

interactions with five different doctors who, while

they did give me some valuable information and seemed

genuinely concerned about me, also made everything

more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I

turned down their recommendations. Although they were

careful not to come out and say they thought this was

cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to

confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to

whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought

necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and

explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change

anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or

so years has been designed to combat cancer.

I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small,

daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to

happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm

really not sure what my next step would be. I would

have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and

accept what it is they have to offer me.

I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby

(in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this would

really work for me. They each seem to have their own

viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and

would any of them have known about or thought of

nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be

willing to work with me if a have a clot which could

become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO

(Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe),

diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood

clot, one suggested I might have Restless Leg

Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed

with that kind of info, and the internet, I may be

safer, as well more comfortable, than working with any

kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any

suggestions on this.

I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all

this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in

any way a result of the iodine protocol.

[Guest guest]

So how long were you on the 125 mg. dosage?

And just an fyi, make sure you wear shoes on the rebounder. I didn't and ended up with plantar facisitis. I put too much pressure on my arches.

Not Sure What Happened To Me

Warning: Very long post.Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my topical application again as indicated below.Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something that might be pertinent to the material below.Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was finally getting back to full strength after my three week detox in December. But Saturday started with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never broke, not even in the middle of the night or early morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat during this time.) Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test results indicated an extended blood clot which I was told could break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away.At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it was clear that they presented me with no choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to leave.Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving any existing clot. I found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any future clots, without impeding the needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the food and the supplement.In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to recede, but the fever continued and the pain increased as the swelling descended down into my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about double the size of my right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and stomach.Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually incurable and considered by the medical community as pretty much untreatable except for palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying the Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I read could happen.Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and active opening and closing of the valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to "jump" (not much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep breathing and blood circulation.As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night. For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year. Now I was getting them every night and having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply due to all the stress I've been under.Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some was the due to the dispiriting and difficult interactions with five different doctors who, while they did give me some valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned about me, also made everything more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I turned down their recommendations. Although they were careful not to come out and say they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years has been designed to combat cancer.I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm really not sure what my next step would be. I would have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it is they have to offer me.I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this would really work for me. They each seem to have their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and would any of them have known about or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be willing to work with me if a have a clot which could become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable, than working with any kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any suggestions on this.I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

[Guest guest]

Steph B,

Warfarin is still sold as a rat poison, and I feel deeply, after

doing a lot of research, that the risks are greater and the benefits

not as great as using nattokinase.  Two of the doctors said quite

clearly that Warfarin would not break up my existing clot,

only -- in about six weeks time -- thin the blood enough to prevent

future clotting and that my body on its own would eventually

dissolve the existing clot.  My research confirmed this.

I do understand the risks involved with a blood clot.  Believe me,

five doctors pressed the point upon me unrelentingly and in the

harshest terms.

We all have to decide for ourselves what risks seem reasonable or

not.

Sorry

for what you have been through.

I

have been taken Warfarin, Heparin and Lovenox (the

last two are injectables). I cannot advise

towards Lugol's role, but I would like to ask you to

think twice regarding the before mentioned medicine. I

DO NOT think nattokinase (or serrapeptase) are enough

when it comes to a blood clot - YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR

HEALTH AT RISK!!! They should have started you on an

injectable ASAP, as Warfarin talkes a few days for full

effect. It is (???)/was indeed used as rat poison, but

it has been around for ages and it is safe to use. Yes,

you need to check your blood periodically (monthly) - so

what? It is not pleasant, but it is not horrific either.

And most probable it will save your life. After a few

months on it and the clot dissolved, you can then switch

to the enzymes. 

Please,

do not play with this. I am all for natural remedies, do

not take any prescription medication, but still weight

on the blood thinners vs enzymes. I completely lost my

hearing in my right ear within two hours (poc,

poc and then silence; end of strory). A tiny mini-mini

stroke was the probable cause. Actually, a tiny clot in

the tiny blood vessels that go to the ear. IT WAS NOT an

embolism... but I'll live with it for the rest of my

life. Embolisms are not to be treated lightly...

if it was a blood clot, you are lucky to be alive after

all the time, but I would not wait and see what

is happening. And yes, Warfarin & LMWH

(Low Molecular Weigh Heparin, meaning all

the injectables used for blood thinning) WILL dissolve

your clot.

If

I can also suggest, at least take 1 baby aspirin (81

mg.). 

Just

my 2 cents.

Best

of health to you!

(the

other) Steph

iodine

From:

clairewest@...

Date:

Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:24:13 +0000

Subject:

Not Sure What Happened To Me

 

Warning: Very long post.

Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically,

mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing

mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off

the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox,

but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I

began my topical application again as indicated

below.

Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the

last three weeks, so don't know if I missed

something that might be pertinent to the material

below.

Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I

was finally getting back to full strength after my

three week detox in December. But Saturday started

with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left

front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the

next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and

grotesque looking and painful and were accompanied

by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never

broke, not even in the middle of the night or early

morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat

during this time.)

Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down

to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further

pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There

I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but

refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an

intravenous dye). The test results indicated an

extended blood clot which I was told could break off

and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing

stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by

ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away.

At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my

stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically

and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors

there, it was clear that they presented me with no

choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if

the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately

begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there

only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the

doctors of responsibility for me and securing a

discharge. It was with enormous relief and comfort

that I dressed to leave.

Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose)

to get through the day and the night. (I hadn't

taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to

this.)

Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that

warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and

also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant

monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and

elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to

clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving

any existing clot. I found I could instead safely

take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement),

and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food

containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing

clot, and any future clots, without impeding the

needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a

regimen of both the food and the supplement.

In the days that followed, the glands in my neck

began to recede, but the fever continued and the

pain increased as the swelling descended down into

my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and

my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which

was about double the size of my right, and I had

developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also

on my neck and stomach.

Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema

(usually incurable and considered by the medical

community as pretty much untreatable except for

palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread

infection I began applying the Lugol's again,

topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower

dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent

the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening

as I read could happen.

Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder

(mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of

jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a

healthy and active opening and closing of the

valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood

clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am

using a doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under

my barre, to enable me to "jump" (not much off the

slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my

first try, this felt surprising good. Hopefully it

is helping clear the impacted glands and dissolving

my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep

breathing and blood circulation.

As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night.

For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times

a year. Now I was getting them every night and

having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or

so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a

variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of

itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply

due to all the stress I've been under.

Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion.

Some was the due to the dispiriting and difficult

interactions with five different doctors who, while

they did give me some valuable information and

seemed genuinely concerned about me, also made

everything more difficult by becoming angry and

offended when I turned down their recommendations.

Although they were careful not to come out and say

they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they

wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis so

they could proceed to whatever

radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It

was hard for me to defend myself and explain why a

confirmation of cancer would not change anything in

my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years

has been designed to combat cancer.

I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small,

daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to

happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm

really not sure what my next step would be. I would

have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and

accept what it is they have to offer me.

I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby

(in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this

would really work for me. They each seem to have

their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and

protocols -- and would any of them have known about

or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would

they even be willing to work with me if a have a

clot which could become lethal? I am beginning to

think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel

they are safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me

I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have

Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual

symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the

internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable,

than working with any kind of alternative doctor.

But I am open to any suggestions on this.

I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all

this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or

in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

[Guest guest]

Gwen,

I wasn't long on the 125 mg. Maybe a month or so. Thanks for the

tip about the shoes.

So how long were you on the 125 mg. dosage?

And just an fyi, make sure you wear shoes on the

rebounder. I didn't and ended up with plantar

facisitis. I put too much pressure on my arches.

Not Sure What Happened To Me

Warning: Very long post.

Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's

topically, mixed with castor oil, in an

alternate day pulsing mode, when the following

ordeal began. I went off the Lugol's right

away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to

add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my

topical application again as indicated below.

Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum

for the last three weeks, so don't know if I

missed something that might be pertinent to

the material below.

Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great,

and I was finally getting back to full

strength after my three week detox in

December. But Saturday started with a sudden

swelling of lymph glands on the left front of

the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the

next week, the impacted glands grew enormous

and grotesque looking and painful and were

accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102

which never broke, not even in the middle of

the night or early morning. (As usual, though

I was unable to sweat during this time.)

Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling

spread down to the elbow of my left arm which

caused me further pain and alarm and that

night I went to an ER. There I accepted the

blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat

scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous

dye). The test results indicated an extended

blood clot which I was told could break off

and move to the brain or lungs or heart,

causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was

transferred by ambulance to my HMO hospital

about an hour away.

At the hospital, after a night without sleep,

the atmosphere/set up of the hospital

exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to

174) both physically and emotionally. After

speaking with two doctors there, it was clear

that they presented me with no choice except

to have the cat scan (to determine if the

cause was a cancerous tumor) and to

immediately begin treatment with the drug

warfarin. I was there only 7 hours before I

signed a waiver releasing the doctors of

responsibility for me and securing a

discharge. It was with enormous relief and

comfort that I dressed to leave.

Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4

dose) to get through the day and the night. (I

hadn't taken any pain killers or fever

reducers prior to this.)

Research (when I managed to do any) revealed

that warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for

humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment

involves constant monitoring for internal

bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a

result of the blood being unable to clot.

Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving

any existing clot. I found I could instead

safely take nattokinase (an over the counter

supplement), and eat natto (a traditional

Japanese food containing mattokinase), to

dissolve the existing clot, and any future

clots, without impeding the needed ability of

the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of

both the food and the supplement.

In the days that followed, the glands in my

neck began to recede, but the fever continued

and the pain increased as the swelling

descended down into my side, enlarging my left

breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could

barely move my left arm which was about double

the size of my right, and I had developed a

rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my

neck and stomach.

Initial research indicated that I had

lymphedema (usually incurable and considered

by the medical community as pretty much

untreatable except for palliative measures).

Afraid of a wide spread infection I began

applying the Lugol's again, topically, in the

castor oil mix, but at a lower dosage – 75 mg.

I also used coconut oil to prevent the tautly

stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I

read could happen.

Further research turned up the idea of a

rebounder (mini trampoline) which, through the

mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the

lymph glands to a healthy and active opening

and closing of the valves. I also learned it

would help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered

a rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled

over 2" slab of latex rubber, under my barre,

to enable me to "jump" (not much off the slab)

while pressing down on the barre. From my

first try, this felt surprising good.

Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted

glands and dissolving my clot. It is certainly

increasing much needed deep breathing and

blood circulation.

As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at

night. For years, I would have these pains

maybe 3-4 times a year. Now I was getting them

every night and having to get out of bed to

walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go

away. It turns out I have a variation of

Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy,

crawly feelings) and the increase was simply

due to all the stress I've been under.

Some of my stress was due to fear and

confusion. Some was the due to the dispiriting

and difficult interactions with five different

doctors who, while they did give me some

valuable information and seemed genuinely

concerned about me, also made everything more

difficult by becoming angry and offended when

I turned down their recommendations. Although

they were careful not to come out and say they

thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they

wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis

so they could proceed to whatever

radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary.

It was hard for me to defend myself and

explain why a confirmation of cancer would not

change anything in my lifestyle – which for

the last eight or so years has been designed

to combat cancer.

I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see

small, daily signs of that -- but it is

clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead,

things get worse, I'm really not sure what my

next step would be. I would have to be in very

bad state to return to the ER and accept what

it is they have to offer me.

I have been looking for an alternative doctor

nearby (in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure

though, if this would really work for me. They

each seem to have their own viewpoints (often

vegan-based) and protocols -- and would any of

them have known about or thought of

nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even

be willing to work with me if a have a clot

which could become lethal? I am beginning to

think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those

I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were

able to tell me I had a blood clot, one

suggested I might have Restless Leg Syndrome,

in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with

that kind of info, and the internet, I may be

safer, as well more comfortable, than working

with any kind of alternative doctor. But I am

open to any suggestions on this.

I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of

all this in terms of whether or not it was a

detox – or in any way a result of the iodine

protocol.

[Guest guest]

It is something of a tight-rope. I know of people who had strokes on Warfarin. This blood is as dangerous as thick blood. Like Goldilocks, we need for some things to be JUST RIGHT.AnneOn Feb 15, 2011, at 3:12 PM, clairewest wrote: Steph B, Warfarin is still sold as a rat poison, and I feel deeply, after doing a lot of research, that the risks are greater and the benefits not as great as using nattokinase. Two of the doctors said quite clearly that Warfarin would not break up my existing clot, only -- in about six weeks time -- thin the blood enough to prevent future clotting and that my body on its own would eventually dissolve the existing clot. My research confirmed this. I do understand the risks involved with a blood clot. Believe me, five doctors pressed the point upon me unrelentingly and in the harshest terms. We all have to decide for ourselves what risks seem reasonable or not. Sorry for what you have been through. I have been taken Warfarin, Heparin and Lovenox (the last two are injectables). I cannot advise towards Lugol's role, but I would like to ask you to think twice regarding the before mentioned medicine. I DO NOT think nattokinase (or serrapeptase) are enough when it comes to a blood clot - YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR HEALTH AT RISK!!! They should have started you on an injectable ASAP, as Warfarin talkes a few days for full effect. It is (???)/was indeed used as rat poison, but it has been around for ages and it is safe to use. Yes, you need to check your blood periodically (monthly) - so what? It is not pleasant, but it is not horrific either. And most probable it will save your life. After a few months on it and the clot dissolved, you can then switch to the enzymes. Please, do not play with this. I am all for natural remedies, do not take any prescription medication, but still weight on the blood thinners vs enzymes. I completely lost my hearing in my right ear within two hours (poc, poc and then silence; end of strory). A tiny mini-mini stroke was the probable cause. Actually, a tiny clot in the tiny blood vessels that go to the ear. IT WAS NOT an embolism... but I'll live with it for the rest of my life. Embolisms are not to be treated lightly... if it was a blood clot, you are lucky to be alive after all the time, but I would not wait and see what is happening. And yes, Warfarin & LMWH (Low Molecular Weigh Heparin, meaning all the injectables used for blood thinning) WILL dissolve your clot. If I can also suggest, at least take 1 baby aspirin (81 mg.). Just my 2 cents. Best of health to you! (the other) Steph iodine From: clairewest@... Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:24:13 +0000 Subject: Not Sure What Happened To Me Warning: Very long post. Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my topical application again as indicated below. Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something that might be pertinent to the material below. Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was finally getting back to full strength after my three week detox in December. But Saturday started with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never broke, not even in the middle of the night or early morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat during this time.) Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test results indicated an extended blood clot which I was told could break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away. At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it was clear that they presented me with no choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to leave. Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.) Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving any existing clot. I found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any future clots, without impeding the needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the food and the supplement. In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to recede, but the fever continued and the pain increased as the swelling descended down into my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about double the size of my right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and stomach. Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually incurable and considered by the medical community as pretty much untreatable except for palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying the Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I read could happen. Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and active opening and closing of the valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2" slab of latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to "jump" (not much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep breathing and blood circulation. As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night. For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year. Now I was getting them every night and having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply due to all the stress I've been under. Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some was the due to the dispiriting and difficult interactions with five different doctors who, while they did give me some valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned about me, also made everything more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I turned down their recommendations. Although they were careful not to come out and say they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years has been designed to combat cancer. I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm really not sure what my next step would be. I would have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it is they have to offer me. I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this would really work for me. They each seem to have their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and would any of them have known about or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be willing to work with me if a have a clot which could become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable, than working with any kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any suggestions on this. I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

[Guest guest]

,I had 6 bloodclots in a year's time. Had surgery on leg to get rid of vein that fed the bloodclot spot on calf. Was on daily full aspirin which only has 15% chance of working -worse for women and useless for me. Anyway nattokinase took away my last bloodclot in about 4 hours.

I have been on nattokinase from vitacost every 12 hours since then. Natto cleared brain fog and also got rid of 30 years of vericose veins in my legs. Natto is also good for digestion and clears a film called biofilm that can block absorption of minerals and vitamins from your food. It doesn't change blood thickness however as my blood is still thick sludge. Natto can come with K2 which helps to add calcium to your bones.

My mother is on warfarin for over a decade. She needs blood tests and adjustments to dose 2-3 times a month. Also impacted her gums, her mobility and her freedom to get around. She is quite bent over now and it frustrates me that can not change things without getting her regular doctors to agree which is uphill battle.

Dry brushing may also help your glands. Instructions are on internet. My doctor also uses some plastic cups to move this around effectively as I have had some enlarged glands off and on. Possibly you could get a set to use. I could email you her email and you could ask her where she gets those or you could go see her if you were in Oregon or nearby.

I wonder if FIR sauna or heat pad would also help.  I would not use a typical heat pad but possibly the FIR would actually help. Pam On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:57 PM, clairewest <clairewest@...> wrote:

 

Gwen,

It was a fairly gradual shift upwards (I started about 7 months ago

with 25 mg.)  And when I went to 125 mg, I also went to alternate

days.  Still, it might have been too much, too soon.  I was thinking

that topically, the Lugol's would not have as much impact as

orally.  One other thing, though, about a week previous to all this

I tried the salve on my scalp and that might have " moved " more

things than I bargained for.

 

How long were you taking 125 mg of Lugols?  And did

you work up to that dosage?

 

Not Sure What Happened To Me

 

Warning: Very long post.

Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed

with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode,

when the following ordeal began. I went off the

Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but

afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began

my topical application again as indicated below.

Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the

last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something

that might be pertinent to the material below.

Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was

finally getting back to full strength after my three

week detox in December. But Saturday started with a

sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of

the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week,

the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque

looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever

ranging from 101 to 102 which never broke, not even in

the middle of the night or early morning. (As usual,

though I was unable to sweat during this time.)

Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down

to the elbow of my left arm which caused me further

pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I

accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused

the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous

dye). The test results indicated an extended blood

clot which I was told could break off and move to the

brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or death. At

3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO

hospital about an hour away.

At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my

stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and

emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it

was clear that they presented me with no choice except

to have the cat scan (to determine if the cause was a

cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment

with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7 hours

before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of

responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was

with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to

leave.

Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to

get through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any

pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that

warfarin is sold as a blood thinner for humans and

also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant

monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and

elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to

clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving

any existing clot. I found I could instead safely take

nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and eat

natto (a traditional Japanese food containing

mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any

future clots, without impeding the needed ability of

the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the

food and the supplement.

In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began

to recede, but the fever continued and the pain

increased as the swelling descended down into my side,

enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left

hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about

double the size of my right, and I had developed a

rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and

stomach.

Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema

(usually incurable and considered by the medical

community as pretty much untreatable except for

palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread

infection I began applying the Lugol's again,

topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower

dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the

tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I

read could happen.

Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder

(mini trampoline) which, through the mechanism of

jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a

healthy and active opening and closing of the valves.

I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots!

I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a

doubled over 2 " slab of latex rubber, under my barre,

to enable me to " jump " (not much off the slab) while

pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this

felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear

the impacted glands and dissolving my clot. It is

certainly increasing much needed deep breathing and

blood circulation.

As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly disturbed by severe leg pains at night.

For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a

year. Now I was getting them every night and having to

get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make

the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation of

Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly

feelings) and the increase was simply due to all the

stress I've been under.

Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some

was the due to the dispiriting and difficult

interactions with five different doctors who, while

they did give me some valuable information and seemed

genuinely concerned about me, also made everything

more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I

turned down their recommendations. Although they were

careful not to come out and say they thought this was

cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to

confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to

whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought

necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and

explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change

anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight or

so years has been designed to combat cancer.

I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small,

daily signs of that -- but it is clearly going to

happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm

really not sure what my next step would be. I would

have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and

accept what it is they have to offer me.

I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby

(in Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this would

really work for me. They each seem to have their own

viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and

would any of them have known about or thought of

nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be

willing to work with me if a have a clot which could

become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO

(Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe),

diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood

clot, one suggested I might have Restless Leg

Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed

with that kind of info, and the internet, I may be

safer, as well more comfortable, than working with any

kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any

suggestions on this.

I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all

this in terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in

any way a result of the iodine protocol.

[Guest guest]

Corry,

I've never had a lymph gland problem before -- at least not to my

knowledge.  Nor any problems with blood clotting -- but I am an A

blood type and which supposedly means a tendency to clot and I can

see on my blood panel test results that I began in 2005 to produce

excessive blood platelets.  I thought that the platelets were a sign

of clotting, but the last doctor said no -- so I don't know what lab

results indicate blood clotting problems.

On 2/15/2011 1:15 PM, Corry B wrote:

 

Wow that must have been an awful experience. Glad to hear

you survived. Did you have lymph node problems to begin

with??

> From: clairecwest <clairewest@...>

> Subject: Not Sure What Happened To Me

> iodine

> Received: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:24 PM

> Warning:  Very long post.

>

> Background:  Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically,

> mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day pulsing

mode,

> when the following  ordeal began.  I went off the

> Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but

afraid to

> add any possible fuel to the fire.  I began my

topical

> application again as indicated below.

>

> Note:  I've not seen any posts on this forum for the

> last three weeks, so don't know if I missed something

that

> might be pertinent to the material below.

>

> Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I

was

> finally getting back to full strength after my three

week

> detox in December.  But Saturday started with a

sudden

> swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the

neck, down

> to the breastbone.  Over the next week, the impacted

> glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and

painful and

> were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102

which

> never broke, not even in the middle of the night or

early

> morning.  (As usual, though I was unable to sweat

> during this time.)

>

> Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down

to

> the elbow of my left arm which caused me further pain

and

> alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I

accepted the

> blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan

> (involving  x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test

> results indicated an extended blood clot which I was

told

> could break off and move to the brain or lungs or

heart,

> causing stroke or death.  At 3:00 am I was

transferred

> by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour away.

>

> At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

> atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my

stress

> (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and

> emotionally.   After speaking with two

> doctors there, it was clear that they presented me

with no

> choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if

the

> cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin

> treatment with the drug warfarin.  I was there only 7

> hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors

of

> responsibility for me and securing a discharge.  It

was

> with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed to

leave.

>

> Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to

get

> through the day and the night.  (I hadn't taken any

> pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

>

> Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that

warfarin

> is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as a

rat

> poison.  Treatment involves constant monitoring for

> internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a

result of

> the blood being unable to clot.  Warfarin is

incapable,

> however, of dissolving any existing clot.   I

> found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an

over the

> counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional

Japanese

> food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the

existing clot,

> and any future clots, without impeding the needed

ability of

> the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the

food

> and the supplement.

>  

> In the days that followed, the glands in my neck

began to

> recede, but the fever continued and the pain

increased as

> the swelling descended down into my side, enlarging

my left

> breast, my lower arm and my left hand.  I could

barely

> move my left arm which was about double the size of

my

> right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules on

my arm

> and also on my neck and stomach.

>  

> Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema

(usually

> incurable and considered by the medical community as

pretty

> much untreatable except for palliative measures). 

> Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying

the

> Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but

at a

> lower dosage – 75 mg.  I also used coconut oil to

> prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or

hardening

> as I read could happen.

>

> Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder

(mini

> trampoline) which, through the mechanism of jumping,

forces

> the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and

active

> opening and closing of the valves.  I also learned it

> would help dissolve blood clots!  I've ordered a

> rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2"

slab of

> latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to "jump"

(not

> much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. 

> From my first try, this felt surprising good. 

> Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and

> dissolving my clot.  It is certainly increasing much

> needed deep breathing and blood circulation.

>

> As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly

> disturbed by severe leg pains at night.  For years, I

> would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year.  Now I

> was getting them every night and having to get out of

bed to

> walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away. 

It

> turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome

(pain

> instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase

was

> simply due to all the stress I've been under.

>  

> Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. 

Some

> was the due to the dispiriting and difficult

interactions

> with five different doctors who, while they did give

me some

> valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned

about

> me, also made everything more difficult by becoming

angry

> and offended when I turned down their

recommendations.

> Although they were careful not to come out and say

they

> thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted

the cat

> scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed

to

> whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought

> necessary.  It was hard for me to defend myself and

> explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change

> anything in my lifestyle – which for the last eight

or so

> years has been designed to combat cancer.

>  

> I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small,

daily

> signs of that  -- but it is clearly going to happen

> slowly.  If, instead, things get worse, I'm really

not

> sure what my next step would be.  I would have to be

in

> very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it

is

> they have to offer me.

>

> I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby

(in

> Oceanside, CA).  I'm not sure though, if this would

> really work for me.  They each seem to have their own

> viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and

would

> any of them have known about or thought of

> nattokinase?  Or a rebounder?  Would they even be

> willing to work with me if a have a clot which could

become

> lethal?  I am beginning to think I need my HMO

(Kaiser)

> for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses

(they were

> able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I

might

> have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual

> symptoms).  Armed with that kind of info, and the

> internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable,

than

> working with any kind of alternative doctor.  But I

am

> open to any suggestions on this.

>

> I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all

this in

> terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in any

way a

> result of the iodine protocol.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group 

> IodineOT/

>

>

> Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Corry,

One other thought:   most of the doctors seemed to think the tumor,

possibly cancerous, was pressing against the vein and causing a

narrow passageway and thus the clot -- which they described as "very

long" going down into my arm.  However, one doctor said it was

possible that the overwhelmed and swollen lymph glands might be what

pressed against the vein and caused the clot.  I rather favor this

last idea since I had the lymph problem first, before the swelling

went down into my arm. 

On 2/15/2011 6:03 PM, clairewest wrote:

 

Corry,

I've never had a lymph gland problem before -- at least

not to my knowledge.  Nor any problems with blood clotting

-- but I am an A blood type and which supposedly means a

tendency to clot and I can see on my blood panel test

results that I began in 2005 to produce excessive blood

platelets.  I thought that the platelets were a sign of

clotting, but the last doctor said no -- so I don't know

what lab results indicate blood clotting problems.

On 2/15/2011 1:15 PM, Corry B wrote:

 

Wow that must have been an awful experience. Glad to

hear you survived. Did you have lymph node problems to

begin with??

> From: clairecwest <clairewest@...>

> Subject: Not Sure What Happened To Me

> iodine

> Received: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:24 PM

> Warning:  Very long post.

>

> Background:  Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically,

> mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day

pulsing mode,

> when the following  ordeal began.  I went off the

> Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox,

but afraid to

> add any possible fuel to the fire.  I began my

topical

> application again as indicated below.

>

> Note:  I've not seen any posts on this forum for

the

> last three weeks, so don't know if I missed

something that

> might be pertinent to the material below.

>

> Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and

I was

> finally getting back to full strength after my

three week

> detox in December.  But Saturday started with a

sudden

> swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the

neck, down

> to the breastbone.  Over the next week, the

impacted

> glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and

painful and

> were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to

102 which

> never broke, not even in the middle of the night

or early

> morning.  (As usual, though I was unable to sweat

> during this time.)

>

> Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread

down to

> the elbow of my left arm which caused me further

pain and

> alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I

accepted the

> blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat

scan

> (involving  x-rays and an intravenous dye). The

test

> results indicated an extended blood clot which I

was told

> could break off and move to the brain or lungs or

heart,

> causing stroke or death.  At 3:00 am I was

transferred

> by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour

away.

>

> At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

> atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my

stress

> (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and

> emotionally.   After speaking with two

> doctors there, it was clear that they presented

me with no

> choice except to have the cat scan (to determine

if the

> cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately

begin

> treatment with the drug warfarin.  I was there

only 7

> hours before I signed a waiver releasing the

doctors of

> responsibility for me and securing a discharge. 

It was

> with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed

to leave.

>

> Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4

dose) to get

> through the day and the night.  (I hadn't taken

any

> pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

>

> Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that

warfarin

> is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as

a rat

> poison.  Treatment involves constant monitoring

for

> internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a

result of

> the blood being unable to clot.  Warfarin is

incapable,

> however, of dissolving any existing clot.   I

> found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an

over the

> counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional

Japanese

> food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the

existing clot,

> and any future clots, without impeding the needed

ability of

> the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both

the food

> and the supplement.

>  

> In the days that followed, the glands in my neck

began to

> recede, but the fever continued and the pain

increased as

> the swelling descended down into my side,

enlarging my left

> breast, my lower arm and my left hand.  I could

barely

> move my left arm which was about double the size

of my

> right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules

on my arm

> and also on my neck and stomach.

>  

> Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema

(usually

> incurable and considered by the medical community

as pretty

> much untreatable except for palliative

measures). 

> Afraid of a wide spread infection I began

applying the

> Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix,

but at a

> lower dosage – 75 mg.  I also used coconut oil to

> prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking

or hardening

> as I read could happen.

>

> Further research turned up the idea of a

rebounder (mini

> trampoline) which, through the mechanism of

jumping, forces

> the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and

active

> opening and closing of the valves.  I also

learned it

> would help dissolve blood clots!  I've ordered a

> rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over

2" slab of

> latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to

"jump" (not

> much off the slab) while pressing down on the

barre. 

> From my first try, this felt surprising good. 

> Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands

and

> dissolving my clot.  It is certainly increasing

much

> needed deep breathing and blood circulation.

>

> As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly

> disturbed by severe leg pains at night.  For

years, I

> would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year. 

Now I

> was getting them every night and having to get

out of bed to

> walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go

away.  It

> turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg

Syndrome (pain

> instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the

increase was

> simply due to all the stress I've been under.

>  

> Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. 

Some

> was the due to the dispiriting and difficult

interactions

> with five different doctors who, while they did

give me some

> valuable information and seemed genuinely

concerned about

> me, also made everything more difficult by

becoming angry

> and offended when I turned down their

recommendations.

> Although they were careful not to come out and

say they

> thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they

wanted the cat

> scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could

proceed to

> whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought

> necessary.  It was hard for me to defend myself

and

> explain why a confirmation of cancer would not

change

> anything in my lifestyle – which for the last

eight or so

> years has been designed to combat cancer.

>  

> I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see

small, daily

> signs of that  -- but it is clearly going to

happen

> slowly.  If, instead, things get worse, I'm

really not

> sure what my next step would be.  I would have to

be in

> very bad state to return to the ER and accept

what it is

> they have to offer me.

>

> I have been looking for an alternative doctor

nearby (in

> Oceanside, CA).  I'm not sure though, if this

would

> really work for me.  They each seem to have their

own

> viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols --

and would

> any of them have known about or thought of

> nattokinase?  Or a rebounder?  Would they even be

> willing to work with me if a have a clot which

could become

> lethal?  I am beginning to think I need my HMO

(Kaiser)

> for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses

(they were

> able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested

I might

> have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the

unusual

> symptoms).  Armed with that kind of info, and the

> internet, I may be safer, as well more

comfortable, than

> working with any kind of alternative doctor.  But

I am

> open to any suggestions on this.

>

> I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of

all this in

> terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in

any way a

> result of the iodine protocol.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

group 

> IodineOT/

>

>

> Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

As far as I know, one way to check for presence of cancer in your body (sometimes long before regular tests lick it up) is the Navarro test (http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Articles/Determine.html and follow the other links in the text).Good luck!(the other) Stephiodine From: clairewest@...Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:16:42 -0800Subject: Re: Not Sure What Happened To Me

Corry,

One other thought: most of the doctors seemed to think the tumor,

possibly cancerous, was pressing against the vein and causing a

narrow passageway and thus the clot -- which they described as "very

long" going down into my arm. However, one doctor said it was

possible that the overwhelmed and swollen lymph glands might be what

pressed against the vein and caused the clot. I rather favor this

last idea since I had the lymph problem first, before the swelling

went down into my arm.

On 2/15/2011 6:03 PM, clairewest wrote:

Corry,

I've never had a lymph gland problem before -- at least

not to my knowledge. Nor any problems with blood clotting

-- but I am an A blood type and which supposedly means a

tendency to clot and I can see on my blood panel test

results that I began in 2005 to produce excessive blood

platelets. I thought that the platelets were a sign of

clotting, but the last doctor said no -- so I don't know

what lab results indicate blood clotting problems.

On 2/15/2011 1:15 PM, Corry B wrote:

Wow that must have been an awful experience. Glad to

hear you survived. Did you have lymph node problems to

begin with??

> From: clairecwest <clairewest@...>

> Subject: Not Sure What Happened To Me

> iodine

> Received: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:24 PM

> Warning: Very long post.

>

> Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically,

> mixed with castor oil, in an alternate day

pulsing mode,

> when the following ordeal began. I went off the

> Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox,

but afraid to

> add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my

topical

> application again as indicated below.

>

> Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for

the

> last three weeks, so don't know if I missed

something that

> might be pertinent to the material below.

>

> Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and

I was

> finally getting back to full strength after my

three week

> detox in December. But Saturday started with a

sudden

> swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the

neck, down

> to the breastbone. Over the next week, the

impacted

> glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and

painful and

> were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to

102 which

> never broke, not even in the middle of the night

or early

> morning. (As usual, though I was unable to sweat

> during this time.)

>

> Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread

down to

> the elbow of my left arm which caused me further

pain and

> alarm and that night I went to an ER. There I

accepted the

> blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat

scan

> (involving x-rays and an intravenous dye). The

test

> results indicated an extended blood clot which I

was told

> could break off and move to the brain or lungs or

heart,

> causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was

transferred

> by ambulance to my HMO hospital about an hour

away.

>

> At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the

> atmosphere/set up of the hospital exacerbated my

stress

> (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and

> emotionally. After speaking with two

> doctors there, it was clear that they presented

me with no

> choice except to have the cat scan (to determine

if the

> cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately

begin

> treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there

only 7

> hours before I signed a waiver releasing the

doctors of

> responsibility for me and securing a discharge.

It was

> with enormous relief and comfort that I dressed

to leave.

>

> Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4

dose) to get

> through the day and the night. (I hadn't taken

any

> pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

>

> Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that

warfarin

> is sold as a blood thinner for humans and also as

a rat

> poison. Treatment involves constant monitoring

for

> internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a

result of

> the blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is

incapable,

> however, of dissolving any existing clot. I

> found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an

over the

> counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional

Japanese

> food containing mattokinase), to dissolve the

existing clot,

> and any future clots, without impeding the needed

ability of

> the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both

the food

> and the supplement.

>

> In the days that followed, the glands in my neck

began to

> recede, but the fever continued and the pain

increased as

> the swelling descended down into my side,

enlarging my left

> breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could

barely

> move my left arm which was about double the size

of my

> right, and I had developed a rash of red pustules

on my arm

> and also on my neck and stomach.

>

> Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema

(usually

> incurable and considered by the medical community

as pretty

> much untreatable except for palliative

measures).

> Afraid of a wide spread infection I began

applying the

> Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix,

but at a

> lower dosage – 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to

> prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking

or hardening

> as I read could happen.

>

> Further research turned up the idea of a

rebounder (mini

> trampoline) which, through the mechanism of

jumping, forces

> the valves of the lymph glands to a healthy and

active

> opening and closing of the valves. I also

learned it

> would help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered a

> rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over

2" slab of

> latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to

"jump" (not

> much off the slab) while pressing down on the

barre.

> From my first try, this felt surprising good.

> Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands

and

> dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing

much

> needed deep breathing and blood circulation.

>

> As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was

increasingly

> disturbed by severe leg pains at night. For

years, I

> would have these pains maybe 3-4 times a year.

Now I

> was getting them every night and having to get

out of bed to

> walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go

away. It

> turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg

Syndrome (pain

> instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the

increase was

> simply due to all the stress I've been under.

>

> Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion.

Some

> was the due to the dispiriting and difficult

interactions

> with five different doctors who, while they did

give me some

> valuable information and seemed genuinely

concerned about

> me, also made everything more difficult by

becoming angry

> and offended when I turned down their

recommendations.

> Although they were careful not to come out and

say they

> thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they

wanted the cat

> scan to confirm that diagnosis so they could

proceed to

> whatever radiation/chemotherapy they thought

> necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself

and

> explain why a confirmation of cancer would not

change

> anything in my lifestyle – which for the last

eight or so

> years has been designed to combat cancer.

>

> I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see

small, daily

> signs of that -- but it is clearly going to

happen

> slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm

really not

> sure what my next step would be. I would have to

be in

> very bad state to return to the ER and accept

what it is

> they have to offer me.

>

> I have been looking for an alternative doctor

nearby (in

> Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though, if this

would

> really work for me. They each seem to have their

own

> viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols --

and would

> any of them have known about or thought of

> nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be

> willing to work with me if a have a clot which

could become

> lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO

(Kaiser)

> for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses

(they were

> able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested

I might

> have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the

unusual

> symptoms). Armed with that kind of info, and the

> internet, I may be safer, as well more

comfortable, than

> working with any kind of alternative doctor. But

I am

> open to any suggestions on this.

>

> I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of

all this in

> terms of whether or not it was a detox – or in

any way a

> result of the iodine protocol.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

group

> IodineOT/

>

>

> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Steph B,

Thanks for the reference.  In truth, though, I see no point in

spending money on a diagnostic for cancer -- even one free of

xrays.  Neither a positive or a negative result would change the

path to health I chose eight years ago, when my sister died of colon

cancer -- my brother having died from colon cancer years before

that.   I have been doing all I know how to do.  If it turns out to

be not enough, I will have to accept that.  I have seen clearly from

my siblings' experiences, and my research, that medical science

holds no answer for me when it comes to cancer.

On 2/15/2011 6:51 PM, Steph B. wrote:

 

As far as I know, one way to check for presence of cancer

in your body (sometimes long before regular tests lick it

up) is the Navarro test (http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Articles/Determine.html and

follow the other links in the text).

Good luck!

(the other) Steph

iodine

From: clairewest@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:16:42 -0800

Subject: Re: Not Sure What Happened To Me

 

Corry,

One other thought:   most of the doctors seemed to

think the tumor, possibly cancerous, was pressing

against the vein and causing a narrow passageway and

thus the clot -- which they described as "very long"

going down into my arm.  However, one doctor said it

was possible that the overwhelmed and swollen lymph

glands might be what pressed against the vein and

caused the clot.  I rather favor this last idea

since I had the lymph problem first, before the

swelling went down into my arm. 

On 2/15/2011 6:03 PM, clairewest wrote:

 

Corry,

I've never had a lymph gland problem before --

at least not to my knowledge.  Nor any problems

with blood clotting -- but I am an A blood type

and which supposedly means a tendency to clot

and I can see on my blood panel test results

that I began in 2005 to produce excessive blood

platelets.  I thought that the platelets were a

sign of clotting, but the last doctor said no --

so I don't know what lab results indicate blood

clotting problems.

On 2/15/2011 1:15 PM, Corry B wrote:

 

Wow that must have been an awful experience.

Glad to hear you survived. Did you have

lymph node problems to begin with??

> From: clairecwest <clairewest@...>

> Subject: Not Sure What

Happened To Me

> iodine

> Received: Tuesday, February 15, 2011,

8:24 PM

> Warning:  Very long post.

>

> Background:  Was taking 125 mg Lugol's

topically,

> mixed with castor oil, in an alternate

day pulsing mode,

> when the following  ordeal began.  I

went off the

> Lugol's right away, not sure this was a

detox, but afraid to

> add any possible fuel to the fire.  I

began my topical

> application again as indicated below.

>

> Note:  I've not seen any posts on this

forum for the

> last three weeks, so don't know if I

missed something that

> might be pertinent to the material

below.

>

> Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been

great, and I was

> finally getting back to full strength

after my three week

> detox in December.  But Saturday

started with a sudden

> swelling of lymph glands on the left

front of the neck, down

> to the breastbone.  Over the next week,

the impacted

> glands grew enormous and grotesque

looking and painful and

> were accompanied by a fever ranging

from 101 to 102 which

> never broke, not even in the middle of

the night or early

> morning.  (As usual, though I was

unable to sweat

> during this time.)

>

> Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the

swelling spread down to

> the elbow of my left arm which caused

me further pain and

> alarm and that night I went to an ER.

There I accepted the

> blood tests and ultrasound but refused

the cat scan

> (involving  x-rays and an intravenous

dye). The test

> results indicated an extended blood

clot which I was told

> could break off and move to the brain

or lungs or heart,

> causing stroke or death.  At 3:00 am I

was transferred

> by ambulance to my HMO hospital about

an hour away.

>

> At the hospital, after a night without

sleep, the

> atmosphere/set up of the hospital

exacerbated my stress

> (blood pressure up to 174) both

physically and

> emotionally.   After speaking with two

> doctors there, it was clear that they

presented me with no

> choice except to have the cat scan (to

determine if the

> cause was a cancerous tumor) and to

immediately begin

> treatment with the drug warfarin.  I

was there only 7

> hours before I signed a waiver

releasing the doctors of

> responsibility for me and securing a

discharge.  It was

> with enormous relief and comfort that I

dressed to leave.

>

> Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol

(1/4 dose) to get

> through the day and the night.  (I

hadn't taken any

> pain killers or fever reducers prior to

this.)

>

> Research (when I managed to do any)

revealed that warfarin

> is sold as a blood thinner for humans

and also as a rat

> poison.  Treatment involves constant

monitoring for

> internal bleeding in the brain and

elsewhere as a result of

> the blood being unable to clot. 

Warfarin is incapable,

> however, of dissolving any existing

clot.   I

> found I could instead safely take

nattokinase (an over the

> counter supplement), and eat natto (a

traditional Japanese

> food containing mattokinase), to

dissolve the existing clot,

> and any future clots, without impeding

the needed ability of

> the blood to clot, and I began a

regimen of both the food

> and the supplement.

>  

> In the days that followed, the glands

in my neck began to

> recede, but the fever continued and the

pain increased as

> the swelling descended down into my

side, enlarging my left

> breast, my lower arm and my left hand. 

I could barely

> move my left arm which was about double

the size of my

> right, and I had developed a rash of

red pustules on my arm

> and also on my neck and stomach.

>  

> Initial research indicated that I had

lymphedema (usually

> incurable and considered by the medical

community as pretty

> much untreatable except for palliative

measures). 

> Afraid of a wide spread infection I

began applying the

> Lugol's again, topically, in the castor

oil mix, but at a

> lower dosage – 75 mg.  I also used

coconut oil to

> prevent the tautly stretched skin from

breaking or hardening

> as I read could happen.

>

> Further research turned up the idea of

a rebounder (mini

> trampoline) which, through the

mechanism of jumping, forces

> the valves of the lymph glands to a

healthy and active

> opening and closing of the valves.  I

also learned it

> would help dissolve blood clots!  I've

ordered a

> rebounder and meanwhile am using a

doubled over 2" slab of

> latex rubber, under my barre, to enable

me to "jump" (not

> much off the slab) while pressing down

on the barre. 

> From my first try, this felt surprising

good. 

> Hopefully it is helping clear the

impacted glands and

> dissolving my clot.  It is certainly

increasing much

> needed deep breathing and blood

circulation.

>

> As time went by (three weeks now) my

sleep was increasingly

> disturbed by severe leg pains at

night.  For years, I

> would have these pains maybe 3-4 times

a year.  Now I

> was getting them every night and having

to get out of bed to

> walk for 20 minutes or so to make the

pain go away.  It

> turns out I have a variation of

Restless Leg Syndrome (pain

> instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and

the increase was

> simply due to all the stress I've been

under.

>  

> Some of my stress was due to fear and

confusion.  Some

> was the due to the dispiriting and

difficult interactions

> with five different doctors who, while

they did give me some

> valuable information and seemed

genuinely concerned about

> me, also made everything more difficult

by becoming angry

> and offended when I turned down their

recommendations.

> Although they were careful not to come

out and say they

> thought this was cancer, it seemed

clear they wanted the cat

> scan to confirm that diagnosis so they

could proceed to

> whatever radiation/chemotherapy they

thought

> necessary.  It was hard for me to

defend myself and

> explain why a confirmation of cancer

would not change

> anything in my lifestyle – which for

the last eight or so

> years has been designed to combat

cancer.

>  

> I believe I'm going to be okay, and I

now see small, daily

> signs of that  -- but it is clearly

going to happen

> slowly.  If, instead, things get worse,

I'm really not

> sure what my next step would be.  I

would have to be in

> very bad state to return to the ER and

accept what it is

> they have to offer me.

>

> I have been looking for an alternative

doctor nearby (in

> Oceanside, CA).  I'm not sure though,

if this would

> really work for me.  They each seem to

have their own

> viewpoints (often vegan-based) and

protocols -- and would

> any of them have known about or thought

of

> nattokinase?  Or a rebounder?  Would

they even be

> willing to work with me if a have a

clot which could become

> lethal?  I am beginning to think I need

my HMO (Kaiser)

> for tests (those I feel they are safe),

diagnoses (they were

> able to tell me I had a blood clot, one

suggested I might

> have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of

the unusual

> symptoms).  Armed with that kind of

info, and the

> internet, I may be safer, as well more

comfortable, than

> working with any kind of alternative

doctor.  But I am

> open to any suggestions on this.

>

> I'm also wondering if anyone can make

sense of all this in

> terms of whether or not it was a detox

– or in any way a

> result of the iodine protocol.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the

IodineOT group 

> IodineOT/

>

>

> Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Navarro is the leading trusted alternative test to detect cancer. None of the Western doctors would ever prescribe or trust it. The cost is 50$ and involves a sample of your urine.Be well!iodine From: clairewest@...Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:19:39 -0800Subject: Re: Not Sure What Happened To Me

Steph B,

Thanks for the reference. In truth, though, I see no point in

spending money on a diagnostic for cancer -- even one free of

xrays. Neither a positive or a negative result would change the

path to health I chose eight years ago, when my sister died of colon

cancer -- my brother having died from colon cancer years before

that. I have been doing all I know how to do. If it turns out to

be not enough, I will have to accept that. I have seen clearly from

my siblings' experiences, and my research, that medical science

holds no answer for me when it comes to cancer.

On 2/15/2011 6:51 PM, Steph B. wrote:

As far as I know, one way to check for presence of cancer

in your body (sometimes long before regular tests lick it

up) is the Navarro test (http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Articles/Determine.html and

follow the other links in the text).

Good luck!

(the other) Steph

iodine

From: clairewest@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:16:42 -0800

Subject: Re: Not Sure What Happened To Me

Corry,

One other thought: most of the doctors seemed to

think the tumor, possibly cancerous, was pressing

against the vein and causing a narrow passageway and

thus the clot -- which they described as "very long"

going down into my arm. However, one doctor said it

was possible that the overwhelmed and swollen lymph

glands might be what pressed against the vein and

caused the clot. I rather favor this last idea

since I had the lymph problem first, before the

swelling went down into my arm.

On 2/15/2011 6:03 PM, clairewest wrote:

Corry,

I've never had a lymph gland problem before --

at least not to my knowledge. Nor any problems

with blood clotting -- but I am an A blood type

and which supposedly means a tendency to clot

and I can see on my blood panel test results

that I began in 2005 to produce excessive blood

platelets. I thought that the platelets were a

sign of clotting, but the last doctor said no --

so I don't know what lab results indicate blood

clotting problems.

On 2/15/2011 1:15 PM, Corry B wrote:

Wow that must have been an awful experience.

Glad to hear you survived. Did you have

lymph node problems to begin with??

> From: clairecwest <clairewest@...>

> Subject: Not Sure What

Happened To Me

> iodine

> Received: Tuesday, February 15, 2011,

8:24 PM

> Warning: Very long post.

>

> Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's

topically,

> mixed with castor oil, in an alternate

day pulsing mode,

> when the following ordeal began. I

went off the

> Lugol's right away, not sure this was a

detox, but afraid to

> add any possible fuel to the fire. I

began my topical

> application again as indicated below.

>

> Note: I've not seen any posts on this

forum for the

> last three weeks, so don't know if I

missed something that

> might be pertinent to the material

below.

>

> Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been

great, and I was

> finally getting back to full strength

after my three week

> detox in December. But Saturday

started with a sudden

> swelling of lymph glands on the left

front of the neck, down

> to the breastbone. Over the next week,

the impacted

> glands grew enormous and grotesque

looking and painful and

> were accompanied by a fever ranging

from 101 to 102 which

> never broke, not even in the middle of

the night or early

> morning. (As usual, though I was

unable to sweat

> during this time.)

>

> Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the

swelling spread down to

> the elbow of my left arm which caused

me further pain and

> alarm and that night I went to an ER.

There I accepted the

> blood tests and ultrasound but refused

the cat scan

> (involving x-rays and an intravenous

dye). The test

> results indicated an extended blood

clot which I was told

> could break off and move to the brain

or lungs or heart,

> causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I

was transferred

> by ambulance to my HMO hospital about

an hour away.

>

> At the hospital, after a night without

sleep, the

> atmosphere/set up of the hospital

exacerbated my stress

> (blood pressure up to 174) both

physically and

> emotionally. After speaking with two

> doctors there, it was clear that they

presented me with no

> choice except to have the cat scan (to

determine if the

> cause was a cancerous tumor) and to

immediately begin

> treatment with the drug warfarin. I

was there only 7

> hours before I signed a waiver

releasing the doctors of

> responsibility for me and securing a

discharge. It was

> with enormous relief and comfort that I

dressed to leave.

>

> Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol

(1/4 dose) to get

> through the day and the night. (I

hadn't taken any

> pain killers or fever reducers prior to

this.)

>

> Research (when I managed to do any)

revealed that warfarin

> is sold as a blood thinner for humans

and also as a rat

> poison. Treatment involves constant

monitoring for

> internal bleeding in the brain and

elsewhere as a result of

> the blood being unable to clot.

Warfarin is incapable,

> however, of dissolving any existing

clot. I

> found I could instead safely take

nattokinase (an over the

> counter supplement), and eat natto (a

traditional Japanese

> food containing mattokinase), to

dissolve the existing clot,

> and any future clots, without impeding

the needed ability of

> the blood to clot, and I began a

regimen of both the food

> and the supplement.

>

> In the days that followed, the glands

in my neck began to

> recede, but the fever continued and the

pain increased as

> the swelling descended down into my

side, enlarging my left

> breast, my lower arm and my left hand.

I could barely

> move my left arm which was about double

the size of my

> right, and I had developed a rash of

red pustules on my arm

> and also on my neck and stomach.

>

> Initial research indicated that I had

lymphedema (usually

> incurable and considered by the medical

community as pretty

> much untreatable except for palliative

measures).

> Afraid of a wide spread infection I

began applying the

> Lugol's again, topically, in the castor

oil mix, but at a

> lower dosage – 75 mg. I also used

coconut oil to

> prevent the tautly stretched skin from

breaking or hardening

> as I read could happen.

>

> Further research turned up the idea of

a rebounder (mini

> trampoline) which, through the

mechanism of jumping, forces

> the valves of the lymph glands to a

healthy and active

> opening and closing of the valves. I

also learned it

> would help dissolve blood clots! I've

ordered a

> rebounder and meanwhile am using a

doubled over 2" slab of

> latex rubber, under my barre, to enable

me to "jump" (not

> much off the slab) while pressing down

on the barre.

> From my first try, this felt surprising

good.

> Hopefully it is helping clear the

impacted glands and

> dissolving my clot. It is certainly

increasing much

> needed deep breathing and blood

circulation.

>

> As time went by (three weeks now) my

sleep was increasingly

> disturbed by severe leg pains at

night. For years, I

> would have these pains maybe 3-4 times

a year. Now I

> was getting them every night and having

to get out of bed to

> walk for 20 minutes or so to make the

pain go away. It

> turns out I have a variation of

Restless Leg Syndrome (pain

> instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and

the increase was

> simply due to all the stress I've been

under.

>

> Some of my stress was due to fear and

confusion. Some

> was the due to the dispiriting and

difficult interactions

> with five different doctors who, while

they did give me some

> valuable information and seemed

genuinely concerned about

> me, also made everything more difficult

by becoming angry

> and offended when I turned down their

recommendations.

> Although they were careful not to come

out and say they

> thought this was cancer, it seemed

clear they wanted the cat

> scan to confirm that diagnosis so they

could proceed to

> whatever radiation/chemotherapy they

thought

> necessary. It was hard for me to

defend myself and

> explain why a confirmation of cancer

would not change

> anything in my lifestyle – which for

the last eight or so

> years has been designed to combat

cancer.

>

> I believe I'm going to be okay, and I

now see small, daily

> signs of that -- but it is clearly

going to happen

> slowly. If, instead, things get worse,

I'm really not

> sure what my next step would be. I

would have to be in

> very bad state to return to the ER and

accept what it is

> they have to offer me.

>

> I have been looking for an alternative

doctor nearby (in

> Oceanside, CA). I'm not sure though,

if this would

> really work for me. They each seem to

have their own

> viewpoints (often vegan-based) and

protocols -- and would

> any of them have known about or thought

of

> nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would

they even be

> willing to work with me if a have a

clot which could become

> lethal? I am beginning to think I need

my HMO (Kaiser)

> for tests (those I feel they are safe),

diagnoses (they were

> able to tell me I had a blood clot, one

suggested I might

> have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of

the unusual

> symptoms). Armed with that kind of

info, and the

> internet, I may be safer, as well more

comfortable, than

> working with any kind of alternative

doctor. But I am

> open to any suggestions on this.

>

> I'm also wondering if anyone can make

sense of all this in

> terms of whether or not it was a detox

– or in any way a

> result of the iodine protocol.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the

IodineOT group

> IodineOT/

>

>

> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I know of a few people who disolved blood clots. they used Both the nattokinase

and the serropeptase together.

>

> Warning: Very long post.

>

> Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed with castor oil, in an

alternate day pulsing mode, when the following ordeal began. I went off the

Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox, but afraid to add any possible

fuel to the fire. I began my topical application again as indicated below.

>

> Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the last three weeks, so

don't know if I missed something that might be pertinent to the material below.

>

> Sat, Jan 22 – the day before had been great, and I was finally getting back to

full strength after my three week detox in December. But Saturday started with

a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the left front of the neck, down to the

breastbone. Over the next week, the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque

looking and painful and were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102

which never broke, not even in the middle of the night or early morning. (As

usual, though I was unable to sweat during this time.)

>

> Mon 1/30 – After nine days, the swelling spread down to the elbow of my left

arm which caused me further pain and alarm and that night I went to an ER. There

I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but refused the cat scan (involving

x-rays and an intravenous dye). The test results indicated an extended blood

clot which I was told could break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart,

causing stroke or death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO

hospital about an hour away.

>

> At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the atmosphere/set up of the

hospital exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to 174) both physically and

emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it was clear that they

presented me with no choice except to have the cat scan (to determine if the

cause was a cancerous tumor) and to immediately begin treatment with the drug

warfarin. I was there only 7 hours before I signed a waiver releasing the

doctors of responsibility for me and securing a discharge. It was with enormous

relief and comfort that I dressed to leave.

>

> Back at Home – I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get through the day and

the night. (I hadn't taken any pain killers or fever reducers prior to this.)

>

> Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin is sold as a blood

thinner for humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment involves constant

monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and elsewhere as a result of the

blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is incapable, however, of dissolving any

existing clot. I found I could instead safely take nattokinase (an over the

counter supplement), and eat natto (a traditional Japanese food containing

mattokinase), to dissolve the existing clot, and any future clots, without

impeding the needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both

the food and the supplement.

>

> In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to recede, but the

fever continued and the pain increased as the swelling descended down into my

side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm and my left hand. I could barely

move my left arm which was about double the size of my right, and I had

developed a rash of red pustules on my arm and also on my neck and stomach.

>

> Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually incurable and

considered by the medical community as pretty much untreatable except for

palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread infection I began applying the

Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix, but at a lower dosage – 75 mg.

I also used coconut oil to prevent the tautly stretched skin from breaking or

hardening as I read could happen.

>

> Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini trampoline) which,

through the mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the lymph glands to a

healthy and active opening and closing of the valves. I also learned it would

help dissolve blood clots! I've ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a

doubled over 2 " slab of latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to " jump "

(not much off the slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my first try,

this felt surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands

and dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep breathing

and blood circulation.

>

> As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly disturbed by

severe leg pains at night. For years, I would have these pains maybe 3-4 times

a year. Now I was getting them every night and having to get out of bed to walk

for 20 minutes or so to make the pain go away. It turns out I have a variation

of Restless Leg Syndrome (pain instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the

increase was simply due to all the stress I've been under.

>

> Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some was the due to the

dispiriting and difficult interactions with five different doctors who, while

they did give me some valuable information and seemed genuinely concerned about

me, also made everything more difficult by becoming angry and offended when I

turned down their recommendations. Although they were careful not to come out

and say they thought this was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan

to confirm that diagnosis so they could proceed to whatever

radiation/chemotherapy they thought necessary. It was hard for me to defend

myself and explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change anything in my

lifestyle – which for the last eight or so years has been designed to combat

cancer.

>

> I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily signs of that --

but it is clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead, things get worse, I'm

really not sure what my next step would be. I would have to be in very bad

state to return to the ER and accept what it is they have to offer me.

>

> I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in Oceanside, CA). I'm

not sure though, if this would really work for me. They each seem to have their

own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols -- and would any of them have

known about or thought of nattokinase? Or a rebounder? Would they even be

willing to work with me if a have a clot which could become lethal? I am

beginning to think I need my HMO (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are

safe), diagnoses (they were able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I

might have Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with

that kind of info, and the internet, I may be safer, as well more comfortable,

than working with any kind of alternative doctor. But I am open to any

suggestions on this.

>

> I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in terms of whether or

not it was a detox – or in any way a result of the iodine protocol.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You may already know about this, but if not Google " Pulmonary Fibrosis

Nattokinase serrapeptase.Everyone should know about this.Its another one like

HYPO, etc.That is, the Dr.'s don't have tests to detect it, and so it slowly

gets worse for 20-30 years. Many diverse symptoms or conditions all resulting

from the same underlieing cause;Cattaract, kidney problems, artheritis,

difficulty breathing, etc.All caused by excessive fibrin.By the time they can

detect it, its too late.Happened to my Dad.Its what he died from.I have it too,

but am taking natto, to keep it in check. Jim

> > >

> > > Warning: Very long post.

> > >

> > > Background: Was taking 125 mg Lugol's topically, mixed with castor

> > oil, in an alternate day pulsing mode, when the following ordeal

> > began. I went off the Lugol's right away, not sure this was a detox,

> > but afraid to add any possible fuel to the fire. I began my topical

> > application again as indicated below.

> > >

> > > Note: I've not seen any posts on this forum for the last three

> > weeks, so don't know if I missed something that might be pertinent to

> > the material below.

> > >

> > > Sat, Jan 22 -- the day before had been great, and I was finally

> > getting back to full strength after my three week detox in December.

> > But Saturday started with a sudden swelling of lymph glands on the

> > left front of the neck, down to the breastbone. Over the next week,

> > the impacted glands grew enormous and grotesque looking and painful

> > and were accompanied by a fever ranging from 101 to 102 which never

> > broke, not even in the middle of the night or early morning. (As

> > usual, though I was unable to sweat during this time.)

> > >

> > > Mon 1/30 -- After nine days, the swelling spread down to the elbow

> > of my left arm which caused me further pain and alarm and that night I

> > went to an ER. There I accepted the blood tests and ultrasound but

> > refused the cat scan (involving x-rays and an intravenous dye). The

> > test results indicated an extended blood clot which I was told could

> > break off and move to the brain or lungs or heart, causing stroke or

> > death. At 3:00 am I was transferred by ambulance to my HMO hospital

> > about an hour away.

> > >

> > > At the hospital, after a night without sleep, the atmosphere/set up

> > of the hospital exacerbated my stress (blood pressure up to 174) both

> > physically and emotionally. After speaking with two doctors there, it

> > was clear that they presented me with no choice except to have the cat

> > scan (to determine if the cause was a cancerous tumor) and to

> > immediately begin treatment with the drug warfarin. I was there only 7

> > hours before I signed a waiver releasing the doctors of responsibility

> > for me and securing a discharge. It was with enormous relief and

> > comfort that I dressed to leave.

> > >

> > > Back at Home -- I started taking Tylenol (1/4 dose) to get through

> > the day and the night. (I hadn't taken any pain killers or fever

> > reducers prior to this.)

> > >

> > > Research (when I managed to do any) revealed that warfarin is sold

> > as a blood thinner for humans and also as a rat poison. Treatment

> > involves constant monitoring for internal bleeding in the brain and

> > elsewhere as a result of the blood being unable to clot. Warfarin is

> > incapable, however, of dissolving any existing clot. I found I could

> > instead safely take nattokinase (an over the counter supplement), and

> > eat natto (a traditional Japanese food containing mattokinase), to

> > dissolve the existing clot, and any future clots, without impeding the

> > needed ability of the blood to clot, and I began a regimen of both the

> > food and the supplement.

> > >

> > > In the days that followed, the glands in my neck began to recede,

> > but the fever continued and the pain increased as the swelling

> > descended down into my side, enlarging my left breast, my lower arm

> > and my left hand. I could barely move my left arm which was about

> > double the size of my right, and I had developed a rash of red

> > pustules on my arm and also on my neck and stomach.

> > >

> > > Initial research indicated that I had lymphedema (usually incurable

> > and considered by the medical community as pretty much untreatable

> > except for palliative measures). Afraid of a wide spread infection I

> > began applying the Lugol's again, topically, in the castor oil mix,

> > but at a lower dosage -- 75 mg. I also used coconut oil to prevent the

> > tautly stretched skin from breaking or hardening as I read could happen.

> > >

> > > Further research turned up the idea of a rebounder (mini trampoline)

> > which, through the mechanism of jumping, forces the valves of the

> > lymph glands to a healthy and active opening and closing of the

> > valves. I also learned it would help dissolve blood clots! I've

> > ordered a rebounder and meanwhile am using a doubled over 2 " slab of

> > latex rubber, under my barre, to enable me to " jump " (not much off the

> > slab) while pressing down on the barre. From my first try, this felt

> > surprising good. Hopefully it is helping clear the impacted glands and

> > dissolving my clot. It is certainly increasing much needed deep

> > breathing and blood circulation.

> > >

> > > As time went by (three weeks now) my sleep was increasingly

> > disturbed by severe leg pains at night. For years, I would have these

> > pains maybe 3-4 times a year. Now I was getting them every night and

> > having to get out of bed to walk for 20 minutes or so to make the pain

> > go away. It turns out I have a variation of Restless Leg Syndrome

> > (pain instead of itchy, crawly feelings) and the increase was simply

> > due to all the stress I've been under.

> > >

> > > Some of my stress was due to fear and confusion. Some was the due to

> > the dispiriting and difficult interactions with five different doctors

> > who, while they did give me some valuable information and seemed

> > genuinely concerned about me, also made everything more difficult by

> > becoming angry and offended when I turned down their recommendations.

> > Although they were careful not to come out and say they thought this

> > was cancer, it seemed clear they wanted the cat scan to confirm that

> > diagnosis so they could proceed to whatever radiation/chemotherapy

> > they thought necessary. It was hard for me to defend myself and

> > explain why a confirmation of cancer would not change anything in my

> > lifestyle -- which for the last eight or so years has been designed to

> > combat cancer.

> > >

> > > I believe I'm going to be okay, and I now see small, daily signs of

> > that -- but it is clearly going to happen slowly. If, instead, things

> > get worse, I'm really not sure what my next step would be. I would

> > have to be in very bad state to return to the ER and accept what it is

> > they have to offer me.

> > >

> > > I have been looking for an alternative doctor nearby (in Oceanside,

> > CA). I'm not sure though, if this would really work for me. They each

> > seem to have their own viewpoints (often vegan-based) and protocols --

> > and would any of them have known about or thought of nattokinase? Or a

> > rebounder? Would they even be willing to work with me if a have a clot

> > which could become lethal? I am beginning to think I need my HMO

> > (Kaiser) for tests (those I feel they are safe), diagnoses (they were

> > able to tell me I had a blood clot, one suggested I might have

> > Restless Leg Syndrome, in spite of the unusual symptoms). Armed with

> > that kind of info, and the internet, I may be safer, as well more

> > comfortable, than working with any kind of alternative doctor. But I

> > am open to any suggestions on this.

> > >

> > > I'm also wondering if anyone can make sense of all this in terms of

> > whether or not it was a detox -- or in any way a result of the iodine

> > protocol.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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