Re: Help ! My TSH went bananas !

[Guest guest]

Steph:

For 2 years, my TSH of 4.5 kept me from getting pregnant; 2 mos after I

started NTH, the TSH lowered and I immediately conceived! So, would my

fertility be similarly affected now that TSH is high on the iodine protocol? Or

are the high numbers " artificial " ,i.e. not reflecting the true health of my

system?

I use fertility as example because it was the only symptom I really recognized

to point to hypothyroidism. I felt fine, but still had subclinical

hypothyroidism. Would my TSH of 8 now make me subclinically hypo, and

infertile, without knowing it?

Also, In the same article on the link you give below it also states the

following:

" Individuals with..autoimmune thyroid disease may be sensitive to intake levels

considered safe for the general population and may not be protected by the UL

for iodine intake " .

Is this because they are not taking it with companion nutrients and gluten free

diet?

Also in the same article:

" Excess iodine and thyroid cancer

Observational studies have found increased iodine intake to be associated with

an increased incidence of thyroid papillary cancer. The reasons for this

association are not clear. In populations that were previously iodine deficient,

salt iodization programs have resulted in relative increases in thyroid

papillary cancers and relative decreases in thyroid follicular cancers. In

general, thyroid papillary cancers are less aggressive and have a better

prognosis than thyroid follicular cancers "

Is this because iodized salt is poisonous, and does not give enough iodine

anyway, to ward off papillary cancer?

Thanks so much,

Marcy

>

> Did they test Free T3? It is very common to have increases in TSH up to 75

for 6 mos after starting iodine with no signs of hypothyroidism. Dr. Brownstein

has addressed this either in his book or a lecture. The body is doing this to

create more thyroglobulin in order to bind to the iodine to create more thyroid

hormone. This is a good thing. Remember that TSH is a pituitary hormone and

not a thyroid hormone and one of the many reasons why it is a bad indicator of

thyroid health. That lab range for what you call Free T4 looks like a T4 range

and that is also not a good indicator. It is the bound protein and not all of

that is available for usage. You can see though that it is at the bottom of the

range and you don't want to be there. Mid range or above is usually where

people feel the best.

>

> Here is an explination of the function

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/iodine/

>

> What were your T4 levels before? How do you feel?

>

> Are you only taking 5 mgs of iodine? That's nothing if you are and would not

have this kind of effect. Did your doctor test for any antibodies. Because if

you had a swing in hypo since your last test it may be due to increase

antibodies against the thyroid. Sounds like they need to look a bit further.

>

> This brings up the point. When mentioning iodine to a doctor they will

immediately blame the issue on it. Then they stop looking. In my humble

opinion it is best to let it slide and not mention it if you don't want a hassle

because 99 times out of 100 they will not like it and tell you to stop.

>

>

>

>

> Help ! My TSH went bananas !

>

>

>

> I just saw my doc and she flipped bc my TSH was 3 in Nov and now its 18 !

She says it makes no sense at all. I told her I was taking Iodine and she was

quite upset. Told me to stop because it was messing up my TSH . My free T 4 is

7.6 on a scale of 7-17.

>

> TSH scale is .50-4.80.. I'm at 18 after starting on Iodine.

>

> What gives ? I am taking 5 mg with all the support nutes. By the book. I

even go high on the selenium at 500/day.

>

> Will my TSH remain high like this for long ? Need I quit Iodine ?

>

> She wants a follow up blood in 2 months.

>

[Guest guest]

hi,

I would really like a rely to Marcy's questions comments, since my case was

exactly the same, I did not get pregnant before my TSH was found to be high

(65!) and conveived shortly after starting meds. I did not have any other major

symptoms (that I could put together back then)

Susa in Finland

> >

> > Did they test Free T3? It is very common to have increases in TSH up to 75

for 6 mos after starting iodine with no signs of hypothyroidism. Dr. Brownstein

has addressed this either in his book or a lecture. The body is doing this to

create more thyroglobulin in order to bind to the iodine to create more thyroid

hormone. This is a good thing. Remember that TSH is a pituitary hormone and

not a thyroid hormone and one of the many reasons why it is a bad indicator of

thyroid health. That lab range for what you call Free T4 looks like a T4 range

and that is also not a good indicator. It is the bound protein and not all of

that is available for usage. You can see though that it is at the bottom of the

range and you don't want to be there. Mid range or above is usually where

people feel the best.

> >

> > Here is an explination of the function

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/iodine/

> >

> > What were your T4 levels before? How do you feel?

> >

> > Are you only taking 5 mgs of iodine? That's nothing if you are and would

not have this kind of effect. Did your doctor test for any antibodies. Because

if you had a swing in hypo since your last test it may be due to increase

antibodies against the thyroid. Sounds like they need to look a bit further.

> >

> > This brings up the point. When mentioning iodine to a doctor they will

immediately blame the issue on it. Then they stop looking. In my humble

opinion it is best to let it slide and not mention it if you don't want a hassle

because 99 times out of 100 they will not like it and tell you to stop.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Help ! My TSH went bananas !

> >

> >

> >

> > I just saw my doc and she flipped bc my TSH was 3 in Nov and now its 18 !

She says it makes no sense at all. I told her I was taking Iodine and she was

quite upset. Told me to stop because it was messing up my TSH . My free T 4 is

7.6 on a scale of 7-17.

> >

> > TSH scale is .50-4.80.. I'm at 18 after starting on Iodine.

> >

> > What gives ? I am taking 5 mg with all the support nutes. By the book. I

even go high on the selenium at 500/day.

> >

> > Will my TSH remain high like this for long ? Need I quit Iodine ?

> >

> > She wants a follow up blood in 2 months.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> For 2 years, my TSH of 4.5 kept me from getting pregnant; 2 mos after I

> started NTH, the TSH lowered and I immediately conceived! So, would my

> fertility be similarly affected now that TSH is high on the iodine

> protocol? Or are the high numbers " artificial " ,i.e. not reflecting the

> true health of my system?

The raised TSH is artificial.

> I use fertility as example because it was the only symptom I really

> recognized to point to hypothyroidism. I felt fine, but still had

> subclinical hypothyroidism. Would my TSH of 8 now make me subclinically

> hypo, and infertile, without knowing it?

>

>

>Also, In the same article on the link you give below it also states the

>following:

> " Individuals with..autoimmune thyroid disease may be sensitive to intake

>levels considered safe for the general population and may not be protected

>by the UL for iodine intake " .

>

>Is this because they are not taking it with companion nutrients and gluten

>free diet?

The article is an example of a source that is a mixed bag. It may give the

physiology that Steph was wanting to illustrate, but it is wrong in its

condemnation of iodine. They are regurgitating the old lies and

myths. But yes, the companion nutrients are required. Gluten free is not

a requirement for Hashi's -- I have had no problems and I'm not gluten free

(gluten reduced but not free).

>Also in the same article:

>

> " Excess iodine and thyroid cancer

>

>Observational studies have found increased iodine intake to be associated

>with an increased incidence of thyroid papillary cancer. The reasons for

>this association are not clear. In populations that were previously iodine

>deficient, salt iodization programs have resulted in relative increases in

>thyroid papillary cancers and relative decreases in thyroid follicular

>cancers. In general, thyroid papillary cancers are less aggressive and

>have a better prognosis than thyroid follicular cancers "

>

>Is this because iodized salt is poisonous, and does not give enough iodine

>anyway, to ward off papillary cancer?

This is a skewed result because salt iodization is not nearly enough iodine

intake to cure disease or even keep the body disease free.

Steph only intended for you to take away the info about physiology. The

myths about iodine should be ignored in the source.

This is how hard it is to find good information. The article describes the

physiology and then repeats the lies.

--

>Thanks so much,

>

>Marcy

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Did they test Free T3? It is very common to have increases in TSH up

> to 75 for 6 mos after starting iodine with no signs of

> hypothyroidism. Dr. Brownstein has addressed this either in his book or

> a lecture. The body is doing this to create more thyroglobulin in order

> to bind to the iodine to create more thyroid hormone. This is a good

> thing. Remember that TSH is a pituitary hormone and not a thyroid

> hormone and one of the many reasons why it is a bad indicator of thyroid

> health. That lab range for what you call Free T4 looks like a T4 range

> and that is also not a good indicator. It is the bound protein and not

> all of that is available for usage. You can see though that it is at the

> bottom of the range and you don't want to be there. Mid range or above

> is usually where people feel the best.

> >

> > Here is an explination of the function

> http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/iodine/

> >

> > What were your T4 levels before? How do you feel?

> >

> > Are you only taking 5 mgs of iodine? That's nothing if you are and

> would not have this kind of effect. Did your doctor test for any

> antibodies. Because if you had a swing in hypo since your last test it

> may be due to increase antibodies against the thyroid. Sounds like they

> need to look a bit further.

> >

> > This brings up the point. When mentioning iodine to a doctor they will

> immediately blame the issue on it. Then they stop looking. In my humble

> opinion it is best to let it slide and not mention it if you don't want a

> hassle because 99 times out of 100 they will not like it and tell you to stop.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Help ! My TSH went bananas !

> >

> >

> >

> > I just saw my doc and she flipped bc my TSH was 3 in Nov and now its

> 18 ! She says it makes no sense at all. I told her I was taking Iodine

> and she was quite upset. Told me to stop because it was messing up my TSH

> . My free T 4 is 7.6 on a scale of 7-17.

> >

> > TSH scale is .50-4.80.. I'm at 18 after starting on Iodine.

> >

> > What gives ? I am taking 5 mg with all the support nutes. By the

> book. I even go high on the selenium at 500/day.

> >

> > Will my TSH remain high like this for long ? Need I quit Iodine ?

> >

> > She wants a follow up blood in 2 months.

> >

>

>

>

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