Re: Alternative to NSAIDS

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Hi Deb: I've known a number of people who developed serious health peoblems on NSAIDS, and they required hospitalization. It rips up youe stomach. I have was riddled with pain throughout my body for many years until last oct when I began using magnesium chloride saturated solution (my husband makes it up for me from crystals). I use 1 to 2 tsp once a day on my back which had the most pain, from accidents, but you can put it anywhere on your body - within THREE DAYS I had absolutely no pain and still don't as long as I use the oil everyday. Many, many people have magnesium deficiency, I was one. (buy the ceystals, much cheaper than the liquid.)

ArielOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

 

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol.  Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning.  It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic.  I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much.  I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic.  I take all of the companion supplements just " as if " I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily.  I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it.  However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

-- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com

[Guest guest]

Is this mag chlor saturated solution what is referred to as magnesium oil on this site?  Would a soaking my hands, feet or whatever joints are inflamed) in strong solution of mag chlor crystals dissolved in water work?  o does it need to be much more concentrated?

Thanks so much!On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote:

 

Hi Deb: I've known a number of people who developed serious health peoblems on NSAIDS, and they required hospitalization. It rips up youe stomach. I have was riddled with pain throughout my body for many years until last oct when I began using magnesium chloride saturated solution (my husband makes it up for me from crystals). I use 1 to 2 tsp once a day on my back which had the most pain, from accidents, but you can put it anywhere on your body - within THREE DAYS I had absolutely no pain and still don't as long as I use the oil everyday. Many, many people have magnesium deficiency, I was one. (buy the ceystals, much cheaper than the liquid.)

ArielOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

 

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol.  Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning.  It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic.  I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much.  I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic.  I take all of the companion supplements just " as if " I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily.  I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it.  However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

-- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com

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Thank you for the link about LDN and antibiotics, I am reading through it now.On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:21 AM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 

you should not have problems with ldn if you start very low like one mg.

for nsaids you can study pycnogenol.

 

for your gut ,you can use zinc-l-carnosine to protect it from nsaids damage.

 

http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-PepZinGl-Zinc-L-Carnosine-Complex-120-Veggie-Caps/2467?at=1

 

dr berkson treats RA with ldn and antibiotics

 

Rheumatoid Arthritis: The Infection Connection {Targeting and Treating the Cause of Chronic Illness}

 

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

 

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol.  Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning.  It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic.  I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much.  I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic.  I take all of the companion supplements just " as if " I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily.  I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it.  However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

You can sit in a warm bath with Epsom Salt and it absorbs as well. 

laura

On 2/22/2011 9:10 AM, Deb Mauger wrote:

 

Is this mag chlor saturated solution what is referred to

as magnesium oil on this site?  Would a soaking my hands,

feet or whatever joints are inflamed) in strong solution

of mag chlor crystals dissolved in water work?  o does it

need to be much more concentrated?

Thanks so much!

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:20 AM,

Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>

wrote:

 

Hi Deb: I've known a number of people who

developed serious health peoblems on NSAIDS,

and they required hospitalization. It rips up

youe stomach. I have was riddled with pain

throughout my body for many years until last

oct when I began using magnesium chloride

saturated solution (my husband makes it up for

me from crystals). I use 1 to 2 tsp once a day

on my back which had the most pain, from

accidents, but you can put it anywhere on your

body - within THREE DAYS I had absolutely no

pain and still don't as long as I use the oil

everyday. Many, many people have magnesium

deficiency, I was one. (buy the ceystals, much

cheaper than the liquid.)

Ariel

On Tue, Feb 22,

2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...>

wrote:

 

I am currently working to

heal my adrenal glands so that

I can get on with both the

iodine protocol.  Every time I

try to take iodine (I started

at 12.5 and went up to just

25) I get violently ill with

all of the symptoms of a

terrible (as in I think I am

dying) flu or acute food

poisoning.  It happens every

time (tried 3 times) and I am

positive that my liver is

toxic.  I have known for years

that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's

formula's for severe adrenal

fatigue and it does help very

much.  I have also cut out all

wheat/gluten, switched to

family raised goats milk and

am trying to eat mainly

organic.  I take all of the

companion supplements just "as

if" I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava

for rheumatoid arthritis and I

take six Naproxen daily.  I am

concerned that I continue to

poison my liver even while

trying to heal it.  However,

my joints are not happy and

let me know it if I do not

take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I

believe I would still

encounter problems if my

adrenals are not well.

Any thoughts?

--

Ariel Monserrat

Publisher & Managing Editor

Green Egg zine

www.greeneggzine.com

[Guest guest]

yes, it's called mag oil here. I wouldn't soak anything in it, as it would be a waste of the crystals.mix167 gms magnesium chloride hexahydrate to 100 ml water; it doesn't have to be exact but you want wnough so that the crystals are all saturated. you can probably find more details online on how to mix it. I buy mine from an aquarium shop (same quality but way cheaper!) here:

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/checkout/cart/hope this helps. I think Dr. Brownstein has a book out on arthritis as well.

ArielOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

 

Is this mag chlor saturated solution what is referred to as magnesium oil on this site?  Would a soaking my hands, feet or whatever joints are inflamed) in strong solution of mag chlor crystals dissolved in water work?  o does it need to be much more concentrated?

Thanks so much!On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote:

 

Hi Deb: I've known a number of people who developed serious health peoblems on NSAIDS, and they required hospitalization. It rips up youe stomach. I have was riddled with pain throughout my body for many years until last oct when I began using magnesium chloride saturated solution (my husband makes it up for me from crystals). I use 1 to 2 tsp once a day on my back which had the most pain, from accidents, but you can put it anywhere on your body - within THREE DAYS I had absolutely no pain and still don't as long as I use the oil everyday. Many, many people have magnesium deficiency, I was one. (buy the ceystals, much cheaper than the liquid.)

ArielOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

 

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol.  Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning.  It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic.  I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much.  I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic.  I take all of the companion supplements just " as if " I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily.  I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it.  However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

-- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com

-- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com

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Magnesium, MSM and VitalzymX will help with pain from arthritis. Items like Livatone Plus would help with detoxing the liver. That's a hefty dose of Naproxen and is likely to be contributing to the tiredness. Eliminate any processed foods also. Maybe start out with lower doses of iodine. Sounds like sever detox symptoms, working on liver support will help with the pain and detox. Linn On Feb 22, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Ariel Monserrat wrote:

Hi Deb: I've known a number of people who developed serious health peoblems on NSAIDS, and they required hospitalization. It rips up youe stomach. I have was riddled with pain throughout my body for many years until last oct when I began using magnesium chloride saturated solution (my husband makes it up for me from crystals). I use 1 to 2 tsp once a day on my back which had the most pain, from accidents, but you can put it anywhere on your body - within THREE DAYS I had absolutely no pain and still don't as long as I use the oil everyday. Many, many people have magnesium deficiency, I was one. (buy the ceystals, much cheaper than the liquid.)

ArielOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol. Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning. It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic. I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much. I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic. I take all of the companion supplements just "as if" I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily. I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it. However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

-- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com

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Bathing in epsom salts was something I tried for 3 years. Had very little impact for me. I have used ldn for a year and minocin 100mg MWF from valuepharmaceuticals in Canada but they send it from Germany. That seems to have more impact than local RX and also a buck a pill vs 14 bucks a pill even with insurance helping a tiny bit. I have used the magnesium oil for over a year and that helps also. Ironically I just bought nigari for a good price at Amazon so may try that supersaturated on my body.

I also use electric acupuncture device for pain by Acumed called ETPS-1000. Three uses of that kept me from hip replacement surgery when my acupuncturist used it. Helps with pain and sleep and runs on 9 volt battery. I was rear ended twice by drunk drivers in 2 years and have FM which doesn't play nice with that. This gadget has been used in Canada for 20 years for chronic pain and insurance paid 70% of the cost. Nice to have some non RX things to use.

The book on previous link has great one page thing to drs and that is what I used with my GP. I actually found a rheumatologist who used in past and is allowing me to use it. I also am going to see if can get tested for mycoplasma.

NSAIDS like naproxen should be taken with food. I am actually trying it every 12 hours to fight some rib pain that has lingered for 4 years. Had 7-8-9 out last month so need to try things to beat this reoccuring mess.

Can email off list. PamOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Teel <caalde@...> wrote:

 

You can sit in a warm bath with Epsom Salt and it absorbs as well. 

laura

On 2/22/2011 9:10 AM, Deb Mauger wrote:

 

Is this mag chlor saturated solution what is referred to

as magnesium oil on this site?  Would a soaking my hands,

feet or whatever joints are inflamed) in strong solution

of mag chlor crystals dissolved in water work?  o does it

need to be much more concentrated?

Thanks so much!

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:20 AM,

Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>

wrote:

 

Hi Deb: I've known a number of people who

developed serious health peoblems on NSAIDS,

and they required hospitalization. It rips up

youe stomach. I have was riddled with pain

throughout my body for many years until last

oct when I began using magnesium chloride

saturated solution (my husband makes it up for

me from crystals). I use 1 to 2 tsp once a day

on my back which had the most pain, from

accidents, but you can put it anywhere on your

body - within THREE DAYS I had absolutely no

pain and still don't as long as I use the oil

everyday. Many, many people have magnesium

deficiency, I was one. (buy the ceystals, much

cheaper than the liquid.)

Ariel

On Tue, Feb 22,

2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...>

wrote:

 

I am currently working to

heal my adrenal glands so that

I can get on with both the

iodine protocol.  Every time I

try to take iodine (I started

at 12.5 and went up to just

25) I get violently ill with

all of the symptoms of a

terrible (as in I think I am

dying) flu or acute food

poisoning.  It happens every

time (tried 3 times) and I am

positive that my liver is

toxic.  I have known for years

that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's

formula's for severe adrenal

fatigue and it does help very

much.  I have also cut out all

wheat/gluten, switched to

family raised goats milk and

am trying to eat mainly

organic.  I take all of the

companion supplements just " as

if " I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava

for rheumatoid arthritis and I

take six Naproxen daily.  I am

concerned that I continue to

poison my liver even while

trying to heal it.  However,

my joints are not happy and

let me know it if I do not

take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I

believe I would still

encounter problems if my

adrenals are not well.

Any thoughts?

--

Ariel Monserrat

Publisher & Managing Editor

Green Egg zine

www.greeneggzine.com

[Guest guest]

I take

Zyflamend by New Chapter. It is an alternative to NSAIDS, an herbal

anti-inflammatory. Really helps with my arthritis. It comes in a PM formula too

as some of these herbs keep one awake. Naproxen eats up my stomach. Will never take it again.

Carol Palmer

Posted by:

" Deb Mauger " debmauger@...

patchesnposies

Tue

Feb 22, 2011 7:09 am (PST)

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with

both the iodine protocol. Every time I try to take

iodine (I started at

12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of

a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute

food poisoning. It

happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive

that my liver is

toxic. I have known for years that I have adrenal

fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal

fatigue and it does

help very much. I have also cut out all wheat/gluten,

switched to family

raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic.

I take all of the

companion supplements just " as if " I am

taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen

daily. I am concerned that I continue to poison my

liver even while trying

to heal it. However, my joints are not happy and let

me know it if I do not

take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my

adrenals are not well.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Good suggestions have been given. I would suggest reading Dr. Johanna Budwig’s book “FlaxOil As A True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer And Other Diseases.” I have Dr. Budwig’s protocol on my blog at http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/health-articles/2009/02/the-health-promoting-benefits-of-flax-seed-oil.html It’s amazing at what consuming healthy oils in sufficient quantities can do for pain and inflammation and over-all health. Also, her protocol allows one to consume larger amounts of the flaxseed oil and it be bioavailable to the body. Cleansing your liver should be very high on your list of “to do’s”. A clean and supported liver is extremely important to the overall health and well-being of the body.Inflammation & Pain ReliefOregano OilSerrapeptaseZyflamend – New ChapterTrevinol Professional EnzymesBoswellia SerrataMSM – make sure that the amount taken is therapeutic – build up slowly.Ancient Minerals Magnesium OilNAC – this should be in everyone’s natural medicine cabinet to use when using pharmaceuticals that are hard on the liver.QuercetinWhite Willow BarkVitamin C – take to bowel toleranceVitamin D3 – Check your levels. http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/alerts/arthritis/sHopkinsArthritisHealthAlert_3300-1.html Saliva test your hormones -- Estrogen, progesterone (levels can be low in those with arthritis), testosterone, DHEA and cortisol. There is some evidence that therapeutic dosing with progesterone helps with arthritis. http://journals.lww.com/amjmedsci/Citation/1951/07000/Effect_of_Large_Doses_of_Progesterone_in.6.aspx (understand when they are talking about jaundice, they are talking about using an oral form of progesterone which the liver will filter. Using transdermal bioidentical progesterone assures there will be no liver-filtering.)Be WellDr.L On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote: I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol. Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning. It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic. I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much. I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic. I take all of the companion supplements just " as if " I am taking iodine.However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily. I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it. However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

I quit taking morphine 3 months ago. I was on 180mg for about 15 years. I have

gone to 600mg of ibuprofen a day. I have crohn's disease and celiac's. I'm

wondering why I don't feel any negative effects of taking this if it supposingly

tears up your intestines. I would rather be on ibuprofen than be a morphine

junky for the rest of my life.

I just had to say something about this because I am just wondering. No blood in

my stools and I myself haven't had any negative effects. Maybe I'm just plain

lucky or blessed at this point in my life.

I have read where there are negative side effects but hey if you don't feel it

why change. The morphine was ruining my memory and made me feel less of a human

being.

Am I wrong?

[Guest guest]

My heartfelt thanks to all who have taken the time to post, a wealth of information has been given, I am sure it will be used by many besides me.  I know that cleansing my liver has to be a priority, and honestly, as severely as I seem to detox I am afraid! 

I have used milk thistle and antronex both of which caused detox symptoms, though not as severe as when I take iodine.  I did stop them because I was afraid if I continued I would end up really sick due to detox.

I wish I had the ability to " hit the pause " button on my life so I could spend some time totally devoted to detoxing.  As a homeschooling mother to six (4, 5, 6, 10, 11 and 13), wife to one sweet, selfless, hardworking husband and caretaker to too many critters (domestic and livestock) to count....I am just not sure how to fit it in.

I keep thinking that if I heal my adrenals, the stress of detoxing my liver and starting back on the iodine won't cause such severe symptoms.  I also know it took me 50 years to get this way and that I won't get better over night.

I will be reading through all of the information posted.  (Rest assured there will be questions forthcoming!)Thanks again to everyone.DebOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...> wrote:

 

Good suggestions have been given.  I would suggest reading Dr. Johanna Budwig’s book “FlaxOil As A True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer And Other Diseases.” I have Dr. Budwig’s protocol on my blog at http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/health-articles/2009/02/the-health-promoting-benefits-of-flax-seed-oil.html  It’s amazing at what consuming healthy oils in sufficient quantities can do for pain and inflammation and over-all health.  Also, her protocol allows one to consume larger amounts of the flaxseed oil and it be bioavailable to the body.   

Cleansing your liver should be very high on your list of “to do’s”.  A clean and supported liver is extremely important to the overall health and well-being of the body.Inflammation & Pain Relief

Oregano OilSerrapeptaseZyflamend – New ChapterTrevinol Professional EnzymesBoswellia SerrataMSM – make sure that the amount taken is therapeutic – build up slowly.Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil

NAC – this should be in everyone’s natural medicine cabinet to use when using pharmaceuticals that are hard on the liver.QuercetinWhite Willow BarkVitamin C – take to bowel toleranceVitamin D3 – Check your levels. http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/alerts/arthritis/sHopkinsArthritisHealthAlert_3300-1.html

Saliva test your hormones -- Estrogen, progesterone (levels can be low in those with arthritis), testosterone, DHEA and cortisol.  There is some evidence that therapeutic dosing with progesterone helps with arthritis. http://journals.lww.com/amjmedsci/Citation/1951/07000/Effect_of_Large_Doses_of_Progesterone_in.6.aspx  (understand when they are talking about jaundice, they are talking about using an oral form of progesterone which the liver will filter. Using transdermal bioidentical progesterone assures there will be no liver-filtering.)

Be WellDr.L 

 

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

 

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol.  Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning.  It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic.  I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much.  I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic.  I take all of the companion supplements just " as if " I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily.  I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it.  However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Painkillers----

adverse reactions to pain killers lead

to 1 in 15 hospital admissions

University of Liverpool found that almost one in 15

hospital admissions in the UK is due to an adverse drug reaction, with aspirin

and other NSAIDs being among the drugs most commonly implicated.davidFrom: Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...>iodine Sent: Tue, 22 February, 2011 16:20:39Subject: Re: Alternative to NSAIDS

Hi Deb: I've known a number of people who developed serious health peoblems on NSAIDS, and they required hospitalization. It rips up youe stomach. I have was riddled with pain throughout my body for many years until last oct when I began using magnesium chloride saturated solution (my husband makes it up for me from crystals). I use 1 to 2 tsp once a day on my back which had the most pain, from accidents, but you can put it anywhere on your body - within THREE DAYS I had absolutely no pain and still don't as long as I use the oil everyday. Many, many people have magnesium deficiency, I was one. (buy the ceystals, much cheaper than the liquid.)

ArielOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Deb Mauger <debmauger@...> wrote:

I am currently working to heal my adrenal glands so that I can get on with both the iodine protocol. Every time I try to take iodine (I started at 12.5 and went up to just 25) I get violently ill with all of the symptoms of a terrible (as in I think I am dying) flu or acute food poisoning. It happens every time (tried 3 times) and I am positive that my liver is toxic. I have known for years that I have adrenal fatigue.

I am taking Dr 's formula's for severe adrenal fatigue and it does help very much. I have also cut out all wheat/gluten, switched to family raised goats milk and am trying to eat mainly organic. I take all of the companion supplements just "as if" I am taking iodine.

However, I am also on Arava for rheumatoid arthritis and I take six Naproxen daily. I am concerned that I continue to poison my liver even while trying to heal it. However, my joints are not happy and let me know it if I do not take my meds.

I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my adrenals are not well.Any thoughts?

-- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com

[Guest guest]

- the NSAIDs impact higher up in the GI tract but eventually they will probably cause issues if you are taking them daily.  For me it was major ulcers, stomach and duodenal, but then I was taking 800 mg 3 to 4 times a day.  I had to go off all NSAIDs and Aspirin type products.  Unfortunately when you can't take NSAIDs or aspirin guess what they want to do instead?  Steroids.  I said no thanks.

LDN plus DLPA have worked wonders for most of my pain.  DLPA might also allow folks to take less NSAIDs as a study showed that DLPA helped make the NSAID to be more effective in pain relief.  Turmeric is also a good help for pain issues.  

JaxiOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:51 PM, <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

I quit taking morphine 3 months ago. I was on 180mg for about 15 years. I have gone to 600mg of ibuprofen a day. I have crohn's disease and celiac's. I'm wondering why I don't feel any negative effects of taking this if it supposingly tears up your intestines. I would rather be on ibuprofen than be a morphine junky for the rest of my life.

I just had to say something about this because I am just wondering. No blood in my stools and I myself haven't had any negative effects. Maybe I'm just plain lucky or blessed at this point in my life.

I have read where there are negative side effects but hey if you don't feel it why change. The morphine was ruining my memory and made me feel less of a human being.

Am I wrong?

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I also suggest testing you level of D3 in your blood. I was in bottom 1% with just 13 when at my sickest. Have been at 59 lately but took 10,000 a day to get there for several years to make that change. 

Nightshade vegetables like regular potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, pimentoes and bell peppers really skyrocket my pain levels. Ldn helps with pain, sleep and hormones. Interesting to see progesterone on list.

Another option may be difluac get called voltaren which only has about 7% of the impact on skin as taking that same medicine orally. But then the goop needs to be next to the pain which can be a challenge.

I keep hoping to find a magic end to my ribs popping up but have not as yet. PamOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jaxi <jaxi.schulz@...> wrote:

 

- the NSAIDs impact higher up in the GI tract but eventually they will probably cause issues if you are taking them daily.  For me it was major ulcers, stomach and duodenal, but then I was taking 800 mg 3 to 4 times a day.  I had to go off all NSAIDs and Aspirin type products.  Unfortunately when you can't take NSAIDs or aspirin guess what they want to do instead?  Steroids.  I said no thanks.

LDN plus DLPA have worked wonders for most of my pain.  DLPA might also allow folks to take less NSAIDs as a study showed that DLPA helped make the NSAID to be more effective in pain relief.  Turmeric is also a good help for pain issues.  

JaxiOn Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:51 PM, <blessedark2010@...> wrote:

I quit taking morphine 3 months ago. I was on 180mg for about 15 years. I have gone to 600mg of ibuprofen a day. I have crohn's disease and celiac's. I'm wondering why I don't feel any negative effects of taking this if it supposingly tears up your intestines. I would rather be on ibuprofen than be a morphine junky for the rest of my life.

I just had to say something about this because I am just wondering. No blood in my stools and I myself haven't had any negative effects. Maybe I'm just plain lucky or blessed at this point in my life.

I have read where there are negative side effects but hey if you don't feel it why change. The morphine was ruining my memory and made me feel less of a human being.

Am I wrong?

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>

> I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my

> adrenals are not well.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

I would try the naltrexone if I were you. It has helped calm my immune attacks

on my thyroid and mouth. Once you get your inflammation calmed, you can work on

your adrenals better. Iodine is certainly needed by your adrenal glands as well

as all your other cells. It is scary to try new things when we are sick and

sensitive, but you have to pick the best course and go for it! I don't know

about the other Rx for RA and if it would go with LDN, but check it and see. You

may feel like a new person with the iodine, adrenal treatment and maybe some

Alpha Lipoic Acid to help your liver out. Try the LDN group (the larger one has

more activity and people with RA).

Sue

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Serrapeptase is an option to replace NSAIDS, although it may not be an immediate relief. Relief has been noticed as early as one wekk but could take up to 3months. You should research its benefits for chronic pain such as yours.

From: masuruha2 <masuruha2@...>iodine Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 11:20:24 PMSubject: Re: Alternative to NSAIDS

> > I have considered LDN, but I believe I would still encounter problems if my> adrenals are not well.> > Any thoughts?>I would try the naltrexone if I were you. It has helped calm my immune attacks on my thyroid and mouth. Once you get your inflammation calmed, you can work on your adrenals better. Iodine is certainly needed by your adrenal glands as well as all your other cells. It is scary to try new things when we are sick and sensitive, but you have to pick the best course and go for it! I don't know about the other Rx for RA and if it would go with LDN, but check it and see. You may feel like a new person with the iodine, adrenal treatment and maybe some Alpha Lipoic Acid to help your liver out. Try the LDN group (the larger one has more activity and people with RA).Sue