Re: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

February 27, 2011

>

>Hope this helps you and others in choosing which steps to take toward

>better health. I started this routine just over a year ago and feel the

>best I have in over 25 yrs.

>

>Maureen

I also started a bit over a year ago and feel the best I have in over 25

years.

Let me share a little bit more. You mentioned LDN. I had a major health

crash in fall of 2009, after 10 years of fairly stable health, in which

5-HTP was crucial to my improvement. Due to unremitting stress in 2009, in

part because my partner lost his job due to the economy, I woke up one

morning that fall feeling as bad as I had when I'd first been diagnosed in

2001, which was quite frightening, and it didn't go away. So in other

words, I had a flare that just overwhelmed me and didn't pass. I work as a

freelance in publishing and if I can't work there is nothing to back me up,

being self-employed, so it was critical that I find help.

I started looking around for solutions. I'm not a fan of Western medicine,

it has its place, but I've been a lifelong seeker of alternatives. I found

LDN, low-dose naltrexone, and started on it. When I started the LDN, the

next morning I woke up with the depression lifted slightly and I knew I was

on the right track. My depression did lift and my pain levels receded, and

I started to have more energy. A month later I started the iodine protocol

on the advice of people on the LDN list. When I started the iodine,

my brain fog cleared and I got even more energy and physical vigor.

I don't know who was talking about it, but if the iodine is giving you

energy, why don't you embrace it? We recommend that people take the iodine

in the morning because it does raise energy. It feeds the thyroid which is

the engine of the body and therefore raises energy. It also clears

bromines which sap energy because every single cell that a bromide is

camped on (instead of iodine, as it should have) is a cell that isn't

functioning properly. That saps energy.

If you can't sleep and you changed your dose to morning and you still can't

sleep, stop the iodine for a few days until your sleep pattern improves,

then restart in the morning only. All that has happened is that your body

got into a habit of not sleeping and you need to reset the habit. As a

person with lifelong sleep issues, I'm pretty confident of that analysis.

The iodine protocol has given me back my youthful energy, which was robbed

at the time by at least 10 years of being horribly sick with no

diagnosis. I had tested in 1991 for thyroid and my TSH was 10, which at

that time was believed to be still healthy, and of course now we know that

I was already very sick. It wasn't until the winter of 2001 that my health

crashed so badly that I finally got diagnoses-- first hypoT Hashi's, then

fibro. I had been struggling with my work for years, declining ever more,

devising ever more elaborate workarounds for my lack of brainpower. I lost

several longstanding clients in that period because I became

unreliable. To be able now to do my work and just get it done, with high

praise, is such a treasure. And I'm also performing music and theater and

film. Life is so much better, despite the state of the world even.

Sorry for the digression, I'm under a lot of time pressure and I'm just

flowing with what comes to mind.

hope this helps.

--

>

> >

> > Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their

> > adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol

> mentioned

> > by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories

> > too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?

> >

> > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm

> > also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high

> > Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I

> > I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH

> > adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals

> > recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help

> from the

> > NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

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February 27, 2011

hi --

Given what you've written here it does seem doubtful that these are simply

detox symptoms. Your physical symptoms sound like adrenal fatigue to me

but your mental symptoms sound like a combination of adrenal and thyroid.

So I guess I would say, stay at the lower dose of iodine at which you were

doing better, and work on your detox pathways. I was just writing

yesterday about the herbal detox tea I have been using that I can control

the dosage of and let it be more gentle, called Flor-Essence. Best price

I found was at www.vitacost.com

However the classic detox regimen is the liver/gallbladder flush, but my

own doc cautions me against it because with radical changes my fibro kicks

in. So I have to move differently than some folks are able to. Also,

people with cancer or other devastating illnesses who can't wait will push

themselves harder and live through detox symptoms the rest of us can avoid

because time is not so pressing, and we can move slower and sort through

things less intensively.

Of course I do understand your reluctance to increase your dose given your

experiences. So I think the thing to do is drop back and soak, and work on

detox pathways.

Far-infrared (FIR) saunas are deeply healing and open the detox

pathways. FIR saunas work more deeply than traditional saunas but are a

gentler experience for the body.

If you've already dropped your iodine dosage and the symptoms haven't

abated, then stop the iodine for a few days or a week or two, and start

over. It might be important for you to take much longer soaking periods at

each dose. Also, you might want to consider taking Lugol's liquid because

you can increase your dose in very small increments.

Even a small dose of iodine will be helping you and building up your

ability to go further. Some people need to go much slower than others

because of their whole personal ecology.

I hope I've been of some help-- all of us here understand how confusing all

this can be especially with brain fog. PS The moderators are preparing a

document with our (and others') adrenal stories on it to make it easier to

access that information.

--

At 04:15 PM 2/27/2011, you wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>Thanks! I'm copying and pasting your story here into my own documents so I

>can refer to it later.

>

>Very interesting that you were able to use Isocort and then get off it.

>

>I take such a small dose of NT at the moment because when I raise it I get

>what seem like " hyper " symptoms--ie resting heart rate goes way up,

>jittery, insomnia, tachycardia, etc.--similar to the cascade of symptoms

>I'm dealing with now. I understand that it's probably insufficiently

>treated adrenals and/or my chronically low ferritin/iron labs that may be

>the cause of this.

>

>I have been coached by moderators on several sites that my adrenals must

>be supported (did saliva cortisol and posted on several sites, started the

>HC); then they must be stabilized(according to daily ave. temperatures)

>which mine have not even come close to; and I must bring up the iron

>(severe difficulties tolerating supplements so it's taking a long time)

>BEFORE I try raising that NT or I'll keep running into the same problems.

>Do you agree with that assessment?

>

>I really do not think these symptoms are detox because I cycle through

>them up and down and have for years--ever since I had a total

>thyroidectomy and started on synthetic thyroid (2004). These are a very,

>very familiar set of symptoms with a particular hierarchy of onset and

>I've had them many, many times before I ever even heard about iodine. I

>used to think I was hyperthyroid but now I know that can't have been the

>case, so now I think these symptoms are adrenal in nature. Maybe I'll

>learn something later and look back and decide they were something else.

>

>You give some good coaching about not being afraid of Iodine and I have

>read Browenstein's book recently, which, when my brain fog clears,I will

>review again. I am only afraid of it in that the detox MAY have stressed

>my adrenals into this current crash. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

>

>The only detox symptoms that I noticed were runny nose and itchy eyes that

>go away with enough Celtic Sea Salt. By the way, I'm doing the whole

>protocol with selenium, magnesium, vitamin C to bowel tolerance, Iodoral,

>Celtic Sea Salt, the B vitamins. This current build-up to crash started

>one day after I raised the Iodine dose and kept on as I kept up with the

>Iodine and then eased off briefly when I dropped my dose back down. So

>maybe it's just a huge coincidence.

>

>These symptoms are so severe as to make me completely non-functional in

>the world and socially, so I really don't like them much, especially since

>I know they can last months. That's my only reservation about the Iodine

>and it may not even be related to the Iodine.

>

>I am actually a gung-ho Iodine advocate and have gotten other people going

>on it and they've had fantastic results. So I WILL be taking a higher dose

>of Iodine (and companion nutrients) one way or another eventually.

>

>You make the point that Gracia keeps trying to pound into me that maybe I

>should go even higher than the dose at which all this started. It's

>interesting that you say that some have fewer detox symptoms at a higher

>dose. I may get brave enough to do that, but you can see why I might

>hesitate given the bad shape I'm in--especially since I don't know what

>caused this--things were going so well. Again--I don't believe these to be

>detox symptoms as they are a familiar set of them that I had of and on for

>years before I ever heard of or took Iodine. For the sake of completion

>here's the list of them which I know I posted somewhere recently

>(apologies if it was right here--no brain, at all):

>

>Physical Ones

>

>Insomnia: difficulty falling asleep, staying asleep, frequent wakings

>Headache, pretty constant

>Nausea, especially with movement, worse in mornings until late

> afternoon, then improves: extremely limited food choices and

> must sleep on a couch reclining to manage it

>Shortness of breath--extreme, just walking slowly

>fatigue,weakness, limited ability to do any kind of activity

>More hot flashes, esp. at night

>weepiness

>heart palpitations

>increased resting heart rate (up to 120)

>Hypersensitivity to external stimuli (light, sound, touch, hot, cold,

> activity)

>Tachycardia with aerobic ex

>

>Mental/cognitive ones:

>

>Finding some things way more fascinating/humorous than usual

>Noun retrieval deficit more pronounced than usual

>Short-term memory loss, forgetfulness

>Difficulty sustaining attention for increasingly short periods of time

>repeating myself (as you can see right here)

>Spacily drifting off in the middle of things

>Extreme forgetfulness (see, now I've said that twice already)

>Intense distractibility

>Obsessive thinking, hyperfocus, can't let go of thoughts

>Unfounded anxiety

>

>I'm not sure if I caught them all but that's the gist.

>

>I will go get some more education here and am intrigued about this thing

>where detox symptoms can be something you think you've already solved or

>gotten over and they evidently show up in some kind of order? Even all

>these kinds of symptoms I listed above? I haven't seen all these in the

>detox literature.

>

>I will also look more into detox procedures. I have a lot of trouble

>navigating the files on this site for some reason.

>

>Can you recommend a book that focuses more on the detox symptoms?

>

>Thanks for your thoughtful reply--I'm going to go chew on it.

>

> > > >

> > > > Steph and I both gave our adrenal supplements that succeeded earlier

> > > Saturday:

> > > > >For me the magic combination was extra salt, extra vit C, Isocort (1-2

> > > > > >>pellets per day), Vit E (mixed tocopherols, 1200IU/day),

> pregnenolone

> > > > > >>(40mg/day). I think that was the whole list. Plus my usual other

> > > > > >>supplements, including iodine and companions, NAC,

> Quercitin/Bromelain.

> > > >

> > > > I've also told my adrenal story numerous times. The bottom line is

> that

> > > > until I got aggressive with iodine, my adrenals never healed. I saw an

> > > > Integrative Medicine MD and she gave me iodine, but only 3mg. I took

> > > > various adrenal glandulars and things that she gave me over the course

> > > of a

> > > > year, nothing really changed, I felt a bit better but not all that much

> > > > better. We lost our health insurance so I couldn't see her anymore, and

> > > > then I had a major health crash after 10 years of managing the

> > > fibromyalgia

> > > > and Hashi's pretty well (except for the adrenal issue) which was

> bringing

> > > > me down.

> > > >

> > > > Then I found the iodine protocol and started it right away, and in

> > > > discussing the known adrenal issue (the MD said my saliva test was the

> > > > worst result she'd ever seen) it was recommended to add Vit E and extra

> > > > salt and Vit C, my primary practitioner (an acupuncturist/ND) had

> > > > prescribed the Isocort and I went back to that, pregnenolone was

> mentioned

> > > > and I looked it up and started that. In about 3-4 months I was

> > > massively

> > > > better, and started losing weight. I have lost more than 25

> pounds, feel

> > > > really good most of the time, am able to do my work efficiently and

> > > > productively and don't fall asleep constantly. I can go out and

> dance for

> > > > hours and not be laid up in bed for a week or a month, whatever it

> might

> > > > have been.

> > > >

> > > > But as I said, I was under an MD's care and never truly got well

> until I

> > > > got onto the iodine protocol. I think anyone telling folks with

> adrenal

> > > > issues to be scared of iodine is condemning those people to ill

> > > > health. Not a very nice thing to do.

> > > >

> > > > Oh-- the least expensive source for iodine is Lugol's from a particular

> > > > seller on ebay:

> > > >

> > >

>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lugols-solution-4-fl-oz-2-2-iodine-/320494213873?pt=LH_Defau\

ltDomain_0 & hash=item4a9ef19af1

> > > >

> > > > He also sells the iodine crystals and the potassium iodine crystals

> and

> > > you

> > > > can make your own, which is even less expensive. I can post the

> > > recipes if

> > > > you need them.

> > > >

> > > > I also have suggestions and sources for the companion nutrients

> that are

> > > > the least expensive that I've found. But the Iodine Protocol is

> far less

> > > > expensive than most supplementation protocols I've ever run into,

> by far.

> > > >

> > > > Wishing all well,

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > >Thanks .

> > > > >I saw the prices though and wow!

> > > > >I don't want to be sick any longer, but all the stuff is pricey.

> > > > >We live on a budget that already barely does not include food, lol.

> > > > >I never thought iodine would be so high in price.

> > > > >It this the only iodine product that really works?

> > > > >I have heard good and bad about DHEA.

> > > > >How much do you take of it?

> > > > >I know Pregnelone and Dhea are precursers to cortisol.

> > > > >I would rather try them and get off this HC.

> > > > >My cortisol blood level was 5 in the morning, before I went on this.

> > > > >I am really not much better.

> > > > >I have less headaches and my BP is good now, but my tired level is

> just

> > > > >one step out of bed.

> > > > >Not worth it for the weight gain.

> > > > >Terry

> > > > >

> > > > >From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>

> > > > >iodine

> > > > >Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 9:36:14 PM

> > > > >Subject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

> > > > >

> > > > >It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad

> > > that

> > > > >I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood

> up. I

> > > had

> > > > >insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C,

> > > > >Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my

> Vit C

> > > > >had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was

> amazing. Mine

> > > > >took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic

> dissection

> > > > >and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on

> me to

> > > > >carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had

> > > > >issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did

> > > > >better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I

> started all

> > > > >this in Feb 2006.

> > > > >

> > > > >As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new

> member

> > > > >document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you

> ideas for

> > > > >liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: West?

> > > > >

> > > > >I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking

> > > something

> > > > >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting

> > > beaten down.

> > > > >

> > > > > Buist, ND

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > > --A.J. Muste

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

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> > >group IodineOT/

> > >

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February 27, 2011

Maureen, I am on the adrenals group.

I am taking licorice because I can't get adolsterone and my sodium does not always stay in my body, giving me migrianes.

It has helped alot.

Did you mean to say that your adrenals did not heal until you got on iodine?

I ordered the 12.5 iodoral tonight so that I can start slow and not overwhelm my body, then build up.

I got the companion stuff too, but it better work as it was expensive to get all of it

Maybe once on the iodine, I can drop the licorice and HC and not be on all that too.

Terry

From: M <mdsatl@...>iodine Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 8:59:49 PMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Terry,My adrenals did heal on HC until I started on the iodine and worked up to 50mg. If you use the Lugol's it is not expensive. Since you are taking HC, I would drop the licorice. Check the adrenals group for info on this.Maureen>> > > Ok I am storing all this info.> Like I stated before, we are low on food money. So trying to fit all this in.> We have nine kids, adopted five. All is well, but Mike lost his job last year.> He got rehired at half the pay.> I will say, GOD IS MY PROVIDER and we don't go without.> I just need to pick and choose my greatest needs first.> I am already on alot of suppliments.> So I need to get what needs to go with the iodine.> I have herbs here that I purchased to do liver cleanse with last year when I had > half my amalagrams out.> I got so sick from that.> I didn't do it, because when I did clay

detox, it took my antidepressent level > down and I got depressed badly.> So I need to check into how to put them together for liver detox.> > Right now I am on HC, westhroid, Celexa, Attivan at night.> Then I take iron, D3, Vitamin C 5000 mgs daily, magnesium, liquid multivite with > iron, vitamin E.> I heard Selenium on here.> Is there more?> I need to find out how to use the liquid iodine or do I start with the 12.5 > iordal?> I eat basic foods, not all organic, I WISH, but not product foods either.> Meat, veggies, fruits, no gluten.> no sugar, no white.> I use coconut oil, that isn't cheap.> I take licorice, that is pricey too. lol.> My goodness, it costs a fortune to become well but getting sick is CHEAP!> Terry> > > ________________________________

February 27, 2011

Very good anology. Easy to understand that way.

H.

At 09:27 PM 2/27/2011, you wrote:

>

>T3(Cytomel) is the active hormone. It needs iron in order for it to

>get into the cells.The cells are like one of those exclusive

>niteclubs, for the " Beautiful people " , stars and those in the 'In'

>crowd. Theres always a crowd of wannabees outside, hoping against

>hope to get in.

>Iron is a 'star' arrives with papparatzi in tow.So, the doorman

>bouncer is letting them in, when Iron looks over and sees T3 ( a

>wannabe) in the crowd, and taking a fancy, says to the

>doorman/bouncer " She's with me Joe! " and so T3 gets in. But, only

>because Irons there to get her in. Its like that.The club, (the

>cells) are exclusive.Some elements have there own doors

>(receptors).But there is some kind of code or key.No 'one' just walks in.Jim

February 28, 2011

Karin,

Intravenous infusion is the way to bypass the digestive system, which if

our adrenals and thyroid aren't working is for sure not working very

well. It is well to remember at all times the prime directive of health:

We are only as healthy as our gut is healthy. (And that goes for animals,

reptiles included no doubt birds too but I know for sure about mammals and

reptiles.)

So IV infusion bypasses the gut, which if we have absorption issues or IBS

or any of a number of other sensitivities the gut will prevent proper usage

of the iron, and there is only so much that can be put into the gut in any

case. The reason I know about this is because I was prescribed magnesium

IV infusions for fibromyalgia.

This business of " fillers " tho is stupid-- an accident (sensitization)

waiting to happen. I don't know anything about that but why can't it just

be iron and sterile saline solution? As a person with sensitivities I

would be worried about that also.

As for preliminary calls not yielding responsiveness to the concept of IV

infusion, I'm not surprised. The MD who did magnesium infusions did not

take insurance, which is the #1 indicator the modality is cutting edge, so

not very many people will know about it. Seems like you're fortunate with

your ND who sounds like has good knowledge and is simpatico with you.

--

>,

>As Jim explained, from what I read on the adrenals forum iron is needed

>for T3 cell absorption. I asked a couple weeks ago about high Rt3 (689)

>and was led to the adrenal forum.I quickly learned that because my iron is

>very very low (ferritin is 4)that taking t3 would not help. My ND did put

>me on 20mgs t3/t4 but I know iron is the biggest key. I used to get weekly

>iron shots but had to stop due to negative reactions to the " fillers " in

>the injections. Now after my recent labs my ND has had a reformulation of

>the iron shots but I'm dubious.Can you tell me more about the infusions

>your daughter gets? I have never found ANYTHING that gives me more energy.

>My husband and ND,are the only ones that believes that just because I

>don't want to do anything, I'm not just being lazy. My ND has also told me

>intravenous is the way to go but a few preliminary calls to other

>practitioners made me feel like I just didn't know what I was really

>asking for. Any thoughts...anyone?

>

>Karin

>

> >

> > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My dd¹s

> > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption of

> > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in

> this

> > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product.

> >

>

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>

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>group IodineOT/

>

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February 28, 2011

That was really cute Jim. You are so creative. Even a kindergartener like me can understand that, lol.

Right now some of my "stars" are not at my night club right now

Thinking about getting the doctor to do a STAR INFUSION! lol.

Terry

From: <hatch93458@...>iodine Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 2:30:21 AMSubject: Re: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Very good anology. Easy to understand that way. H.At 09:27 PM 2/27/2011, you wrote:>>>T3(Cytomel) is the active hormone. It needs iron in order for it to >get into the cells.The cells are like one of those exclusive >niteclubs, for the "Beautiful people", stars and those in the 'In' >crowd. Theres always a crowd of wannabees outside, hoping against >hope to get in.>Iron is a 'star' arrives with papparatzi in tow.So, the doorman >bouncer is letting them in, when Iron looks over and sees T3 ( a >wannabe) in the crowd, and taking a fancy, says to the >doorman/bouncer "She's with me Joe!" and so T3 gets in. But, only >because Irons there to get her in. Its like that.The club, (the >cells) are exclusive.Some elements have there own doors >(receptors).But there is some kind of code or key.No 'one' just walks

in.Jim

February 28, 2011

I wouldn't be so quick to supplement iron. I certainly wouldn't be supplementing without knowing for sure that an infection doesn't exist in the body as supplementing iron will only exacerbate the problem. That requires a CBC/Diff and quite a few other tests. There are many factors to be considered regarding iron, a low or not optimal ferritin is not a good indicator of a need for iron. If you were getting weekly iron shots with no resolve of the issue, it would prudent to look for other issues that are wrecking havoc with iron in the body.http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/iron-dangers.shtmlLinnOn Feb 28, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Karin wrote:

,

As Jim explained, from what I read on the adrenals forum iron is needed for T3 cell absorption. I asked a couple weeks ago about high Rt3 (689) and was led to the adrenal forum.I quickly learned that because my iron is very very low (ferritin is 4)that taking t3 would not help. My ND did put me on 20mgs t3/t4 but I know iron is the biggest key. I used to get weekly iron shots but had to stop due to negative reactions to the "fillers" in the injections. Now after my recent labs my ND has had a reformulation of the iron shots but I'm dubious.Can you tell me more about the infusions your daughter gets? I have never found ANYTHING that gives me more energy. My husband and ND,are the only ones that believes that just because I don't want to do anything, I'm not just being lazy. My ND has also told me intravenous is the way to go but a few preliminary calls to other practitioners made me feel like I just didn't know what I was really asking for. Any thoughts...anyone?

Karin

>

> Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My dd¹s

> iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption of

> other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in this

> iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product.

>

February 28, 2011

If thyroid is low, the body does not make red blood cells because of the lowered temperature of the body.

Cold=less RBC.

Terry

From: Linn <linnmiller@...>iodine Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 5:51:13 PMSubject: Re: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

I had the same issue a while back. My concern though would be why, in that length of time, that you were not able to get back to normal. Do you know what the cause of the heavy bleeding was? Are you supplementing iodine and if so, how long and how much?

Linn

On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Karin wrote:

I know why Linn...I had horrible heavy heavy long lasting periods for about 2 yrs. That was 8-9 yrs ago but I have never been able to get my iron levels back.Karin> > > > >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I donÂ¹t understand. My ddÂ¹s> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption of> > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in > > > > this> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product.> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >------------------------------------> > > >> > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > > >group IodineOT/> > > >> > > >> > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

February 28, 2011

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She will want to go to the files and get the new one I uploaded today.

Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Hi ,I have has Hashi's for over 25 yrs. Also fibro and IBS. My Rt3 was very high also. Here are the steps I have taken to recovery:1. Started HC, 5mg 4 times a day. 2. After being on HC for a few months, started T3 only, 75 mcg a day. After 3 mths my Rt3 droped from 370 to 25. Then switched to 90mg of natural thyroid along with 37.5 mcg of t3. New labs show FT3 in high normal range and RT3 around 100. I think my thyroid levels are just right and will continue on this dose.3. Started iodine at 12.5 slowly building up to 50mg. Been on iodine for 6 mths. Will stay on the 50mg dose for the rest of my life. I believe in iodine. I also take all the companion nutrients.4. After being on iodine for about 4 mths, I no longer seemed to need the HC. I started forgetting doses so I figured this was my body telling me I did not need the HC anymore. I have been slowly lowering the HC dose and now take only 5mg in the morning. Will quit HC entirely in the next month, having been on HC for over a year.5. Started the Chines herb, Rehmannia. You can read about this herb here: http://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/rehmannia-root.html. It is a very good for adrenal support. I buy this from vitacost.com.6. Started low dose naltraxone for immune system support. There is a group for people taking LDN so you can google this.This has been a long process and it all started with the HC. I do not think I would be where I am today without the HC. I was flat out adrenal fatigued and so messed up physically and emotionally. I have to say it is very nice to have my mind back, life works so much better.I can't really say much about the weight issue. I never gained any weight on HC and my weight has always been low due to the IBS. Since the IBS had cleared up, I hope to gain some weight. Being underweight is just as troublesome as being overweight, IMHO. I looked like the walking dead.Hope this helps you and others in choosing which steps to take toward better health. I started this routine just over a year ago and feel the best I have in over 25 yrs.Maureen>> Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their> adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned> by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories> too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?> > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm> also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high> Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I> I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH> adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals> recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the> NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.> > Thanks,> > >

February 28, 2011

This was an older email. I wrote in last night that I bought all the products and someone was so nice to send me a list of what to get.

I have saved the new member file.

I have learned alot in a couple days in this group. Thank you all. I will be starting as soon as the products arrive.

Terry

She will want to go to the files and get the new one I uploaded today.

Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Hi ,I have has Hashi's for over 25 yrs. Also fibro and IBS. My Rt3 was very high also. Here are the steps I have taken to recovery:1. Started HC, 5mg 4 times a day. 2. After being on HC for a few months, started T3 only, 75 mcg a day. After 3 mths my Rt3 droped from 370 to 25. Then switched to 90mg of natural thyroid along with 37.5 mcg of t3. New labs show FT3 in high normal range and RT3 around 100. I think my thyroid levels are just right and will continue on this dose.3. Started iodine at 12.5 slowly building up to 50mg. Been on iodine for 6 mths. Will stay on the 50mg dose for the rest of my life. I believe in iodine. I also take all the companion nutrients.4. After being on iodine for about 4 mths, I no longer seemed to need the HC. I started forgetting doses so I figured this was my body telling me I did not need the HC anymore. I have been slowly lowering the HC dose and now take only 5mg in the

morning. Will quit HC entirely in the next month, having been on HC for over a year.5. Started the Chines herb, Rehmannia. You can read about this herb here: http://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/rehmannia-root.html. It is a very good for adrenal support. I buy this from vitacost.com.6. Started low dose naltraxone for immune system support. There is a group for people taking LDN so you can google this.This has been a long process and it all started with the HC. I do not think I would be where I am today without the HC. I was flat out adrenal fatigued and so messed up physically and emotionally. I have to say it is very nice to have my mind back, life works so much better.I can't really say much about the weight issue. I never gained any weight on HC and my weight has always been low due to the IBS. Since the IBS had cleared

up, I hope to gain some weight. Being underweight is just as troublesome as being overweight, IMHO. I looked like the walking dead.Hope this helps you and others in choosing which steps to take toward better health. I started this routine just over a year ago and feel the best I have in over 25 yrs.Maureen>> Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their> adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned> by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories> too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?> > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and

I'm> also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high> Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I> I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH> adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals> recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the> NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.> > Thanks,> > >

February 28, 2011

Linn, I can accept that you don't agree.

That doesn't mean it is not true.

Scientists discovered this through rat tails.

Rat tails are low in red blood cells because they are cold.

They took a tail of a rat and sewed it into the belly and it produced more red blood cells.

They proved that the warmth made the body create more red blood cells.

That does not mean that every hypothyroid person is low in iron, but alot are.

I made a statement that you state is not true.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin/

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/iron.htm

Just google it.

If I don't speak the truth, then alot of others are not also. This made me sad.

Terry

From: Linn <mwm1glm@...>iodine Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 8:38:56 PMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

What you are saying is that if the thyroid is low, the bone marrow doesn't make red blood cells. Not true. Hypothyroid folks can have low iron issues, but it doesn't mean they all do. Linn> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I donÃ‚Â¹t understand. My > >ddÃ‚Â¹s> >> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption > >of> >> > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in > > >> > > > this> >> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >------------------------------------> >> > > >> >> > > >All off topic posts should go to

the IodineOT > >> > > >group IodineOT/> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

February 28, 2011

Linn, I could find plenty of resources that stated that hypothyroidism can cause anemia.

I could not find exactly the information that I was given about lowered body temperature being the exact cause of lowered red blood count.

I did find that lowered body temperature slows everything down in the body, including metabolism, which might be the reason for a lowered production of red blood cells or it might mean that red blood cells are destroyed in the blood after they are produced in the marrow.

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/symptomsproblems/a/iron.htm

http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/sec13/ch163/ch163c.html

If untreated, hypothyroidism can eventually cause anemia, a low body temperature, and heart failure. This situation may progress to confusion, stupor, or coma myxedema coma), a life-threatening complication in which breathing slows, seizures occur, and blood flow to the brain decreases. Myxedema coma can be triggered in a person with hypothyroidism by physical stresses, such as exposure to the cold, as well as by an infection, injury, surgery, and drugs such as sedatives that depress brain function.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/954506-overview

Causes

Causes of anemia are either inherent in the RBCs or related to an external factor. As noted above, these can be simplified into 3 main categories, although more than one mechanism may be involved in some anemias.

Anemia caused by decreased red cell production (generally develops gradually and causes chronic anemia)

Marrow failure

Diamond-Blackfan anemia (congenital pure red cell aplasia) Transient erythroblastopenia of childhood Aplastic crisis caused by parvovirus B19 infection (in patients with an underlying chronic hemolytic anemia) Marrow replacement (eg, malignancies, myelofibrosis, osteopetrosis)

Impaired erythropoietin production

Anemia of chronic disease in renal failure Chronic inflammatory diseases Hypothyroidism Severe protein malnutrition

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/low-body-temperature-causes.html

Diseases There are a few diseases that commonly afflict human beings and are known to be a cause for a drop in body temperature. Some of these diseases are as follows:

Hepatitis C Thyroid Problems Sepsis Pneumonia Liver Diseases Adrenal Problems Anemia

ANEMIA AND HYPOTHYROIDISM

The following study states that 20-60% of patients with hypothyroidism are anemic. It also states that "Anemia is often the first sign of hypothyroidism." Very important is the observation that anemia in hypothyroidism is often not diagnosed because hypothyroids have a lower volume of plasma which causes a false high estimation of the amount of hemoglobin in the blood.

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/dci/Diseases/anemia/anemia_whoisatrisk.html

Major Risk Factors

Factors that raise your risk of anemia include:

A diet that is low in iron, vitamins, or minerals Blood loss from surgery or an injury Long-term or serious illnesses, such as kidney disease, cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, HIV/AIDS, inflammatory bowel disease (including Crohn's disease), liver disease, heart failure, and thyroid disease Long-term infections A family history of inherited anemia, such as sickle cell anemia or thalassemia

From: Linn <mwm1glm@...>iodine Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 9:54:31 PMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

You stated, "If thyroid is low, the body does not make red blood cells because of the lowered temperature of the body." That statement is not true. Red blood cells are made in the bone marrow which does not quit functioning due to low thyroid. Hypothyroid folks can also have iron issues but it can be due to a variety of reasons, not just the fact that they are hypothyroid. I am familiar with the info at STTM. There is much more to the problem than low ferritin. Not knowing the reason for low ferritin or other iron levels that may be askew and supplementing iron can be dangerous and lead to more problems. Linn > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I donÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â¹t understand. My > > > >ddÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â¹s> > >> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption > >> > >of> > >> > > >

> other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested > >in > >> > > > >> > > > this> > >> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 > product.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >------------------------------------> > >> > > >> > >> > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > >> > > >group IodineOT/> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Commonly

asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e > >Links> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > >> > > --A.J. Muste> > >> > >> > >> >> > >>> > >> > >> >>

February 28, 2011

On a positive note, I did find that anemia has many of the same symptoms of hypothyroidism. This makes me wonder if these particular symptoms are from the anemia that is caused by hypothyroidism.

And if the thyriod needs iodine to function well, then I wonder if that would eventually cure the anemia?

I did find that iron does not always fix anemia and alot more about it being toxic, as has been stated here.

I stopped all my iron yesterday because of that risk.

Of course now I am more burried in my box because I have low iron saturation and that keeps my thyriod t3 from going into my cells, thus keeping me hypothyroid, and if that causes more anemia, it is a vicious cycle.

If iodine isn't the answer to that, then God take me to heaven because I am not living right now, I am existing.

Every where I go, someone has an answer. Then someone else says no that is wrong, but this is right.

I am trusting the Lord that He will show me which path is right.

I believe He led me to this group and to me, it makes sense that iodine would be at the root of the entire problem.

I have heard lots of voices though.

Don't take iodine as it will make you sicker, etc.

Take iron, or your thyroid meds won't work.

Don't take iron as it will make you toxic.

Take iodine, it will heal all of your organs.

Do you see my dilema?

I am sure people have joined this group often with this history of 50 flavors that are out there and which flavor do you choose?

I put my hopes in this.

I came here and for a few days I studied, listened, asked a few questions and on faith, I spent 100 dollars on all the products last night.

That was alot of money for me with our situation, and praise God I had income taxes. So I am hoping that this flavor is the right one and that there won't be any more dead ends.

I really wish that our discussion wasn't one that made me feel as though I had lied to you. I did not mean for it to sound like one.

I was repeating someone elses FLAVOR and I felt that it was true information as it felt right when I heard it.

Just like using iodine "feels" right.

There are some things that I know to be complete truth on this earth.

With this stuff, I am still walking in faith and thus, I shoud have added the words " I was informed that being cold can cause anemia".

Instead I spoke it as truth or knowledge and I appologize for that.

One thing though, I have been ill for ten years. Just staying alive that long has taken an iron clad will and the fact that i have some very special needs chidlren that need me.

I, however, am about at the end of my life rope with this stuff. I don't know that there are very many other options out there.

So please bear with me as I learn what I need to here, to get my life back.

I have a calling on my life that needs a miracle to continue in.

I was completely healthy when we gave birth to four kids and adopted five. I never saw a future like this.

I also believe that it is possible that my two adopted children, with Fetal alcohol syndrome, have low thyroid.

If I can help myself, I can help them.

Both have a diagnosis of bipolar and are tired all the time.

My mom has hascimoto's. I see the beginings of things in my birth kids.

I feel like I am looking at a thyroid problem under every bush now.

Anyway, thank you for listening to me. I give up.

What ever the cause of anemia, I need to heal it.

With all the directives to not take iron etc. no one has said what will help and it was stated that iodine won't help anemia.

I hope it indirectly does.

Terry

From: Linn <mwm1glm@...>iodine Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 9:54:31 PMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

You stated, "If thyroid is low, the body does not make red blood cells because of the lowered temperature of the body." That statement is not true. Red blood cells are made in the bone marrow which does not quit functioning due to low thyroid. Hypothyroid folks can also have iron issues but it can be due to a variety of reasons, not just the fact that they are hypothyroid. I am familiar with the info at STTM. There is much more to the problem than low ferritin. Not knowing the reason for low ferritin or other iron levels that may be askew and supplementing iron can be dangerous and lead to more problems. Linn > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I donÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â¹t understand. My > > > >ddÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â¹s> > >> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption > >> > >of> > >> > > >

> other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested > >in > >> > > > >> > > > this> > >> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 > product.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >------------------------------------> > >> > > >> > >> > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > >> > > >group IodineOT/> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Commonly

asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e > >Links> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > >> > > --A.J. Muste> > >> > >> > >> >> > >>> > >> > >> >>

March 1, 2011

Terry,While acknowledging complexities and the risk of being too simplistic, I will ask--Have you tried eating lots of liver (good liver from healthy animals, of course).Many years ago, I turned up anemic when pregnant (broke & living mostly on peanut butter sandwiches). I did not take doc's iron pills (at least I knew that much then) and focused on liver and other high-iron foods. In 2 wks my count came up so far that doc said it wasn't possible and finally decided that the original blood work must have been wrong.Blessings,JudyThey that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. Ps. 124:1From: Terry Quinn <agapecreations77@...>Subject: Re: Re: Adrenals and Iodineiodine Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:43 PM