Re: Adrenals and Iodine

February 26, 2011

It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

Re: West?

I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking something for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten down.

Buist, ND

February 26, 2011

Thanks .

I saw the prices though and wow!

I don't want to be sick any longer, but all the stuff is pricey.

We live on a budget that already barely does not include food, lol.

I never thought iodine would be so high in price.

It this the only iodine product that really works?

I have heard good and bad about DHEA.

How much do you take of it?

I know Pregnelone and Dhea are precursers to cortisol.

I would rather try them and get off this HC.

My cortisol blood level was 5 in the morning, before I went on this.

I am really not much better.

I have less headaches and my BP is good now, but my tired level is just one step out of bed.

Not worth it for the weight gain.

Terry

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 9:36:14 PMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

Re: West?

I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking something for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten down.

Buist, ND

February 26, 2011

Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?

I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I still have not lost any weight at all - none of the 20 kgs that I slowly gained over a three year period after the onset of my hashis symptoms. I am currently on, yet again, another low carb diet, this time following a book by Barry Groves. Everything is organic and relatively unprocessed, but I'm yet to lose any weight. It's only day 8 at the moment, but I've done these for three weeks in the past, no cheating, but no weight loss. I've only put on 2kgs since going on HC so not sure that that's the issue. I did put on two lots of 2kgs each time I started iodine (I had a break and then went back to it). I'm currently on 100mgs a day of iodine, probably a little more due to some of the other iodine containing supplements I'm taking.

I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.

Thanks,On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

February 26, 2011

Steph and I both gave our adrenal supplements that succeeded earlier Saturday:

>For me the magic combination was extra salt, extra vit C, Isocort (1-2

> >>pellets per day), Vit E (mixed tocopherols, 1200IU/day), pregnenolone

> >>(40mg/day). I think that was the whole list. Plus my usual other

> >>supplements, including iodine and companions, NAC, Quercitin/Bromelain.

I've also told my adrenal story numerous times. The bottom line is that

until I got aggressive with iodine, my adrenals never healed. I saw an

Integrative Medicine MD and she gave me iodine, but only 3mg. I took

various adrenal glandulars and things that she gave me over the course of a

year, nothing really changed, I felt a bit better but not all that much

better. We lost our health insurance so I couldn't see her anymore, and

then I had a major health crash after 10 years of managing the fibromyalgia

and Hashi's pretty well (except for the adrenal issue) which was bringing

me down.

Then I found the iodine protocol and started it right away, and in

discussing the known adrenal issue (the MD said my saliva test was the

worst result she'd ever seen) it was recommended to add Vit E and extra

salt and Vit C, my primary practitioner (an acupuncturist/ND) had

prescribed the Isocort and I went back to that, pregnenolone was mentioned

and I looked it up and started that. In about 3-4 months I was massively

better, and started losing weight. I have lost more than 25 pounds, feel

really good most of the time, am able to do my work efficiently and

productively and don't fall asleep constantly. I can go out and dance for

hours and not be laid up in bed for a week or a month, whatever it might

have been.

But as I said, I was under an MD's care and never truly got well until I

got onto the iodine protocol. I think anyone telling folks with adrenal

issues to be scared of iodine is condemning those people to ill

health. Not a very nice thing to do.

Oh-- the least expensive source for iodine is Lugol's from a particular

seller on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lugols-solution-4-fl-oz-2-2-iodine-/320494213873?pt=LH_Defau\

ltDomain_0 & hash=item4a9ef19af1

He also sells the iodine crystals and the potassium iodine crystals and you

can make your own, which is even less expensive. I can post the recipes if

you need them.

I also have suggestions and sources for the companion nutrients that are

the least expensive that I've found. But the Iodine Protocol is far less

expensive than most supplementation protocols I've ever run into, by far.

Wishing all well,

--

>Thanks .

>I saw the prices though and wow!

>I don't want to be sick any longer, but all the stuff is pricey.

>We live on a budget that already barely does not include food, lol.

>I never thought iodine would be so high in price.

>It this the only iodine product that really works?

>I have heard good and bad about DHEA.

>How much do you take of it?

>I know Pregnelone and Dhea are precursers to cortisol.

>I would rather try them and get off this HC.

>My cortisol blood level was 5 in the morning, before I went on this.

>I am really not much better.

>I have less headaches and my BP is good now, but my tired level is just

>one step out of bed.

>Not worth it for the weight gain.

>Terry

>

>From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

>iodine

>Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 9:36:14 PM

>Subject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

>

>It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that

>I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had

>insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C,

>Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C

>had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine

>took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection

>and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to

>carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had

>issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did

>better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all

>this in Feb 2006.

>

>As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member

>document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for

>liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

>

> Re: West?

>

>I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking something

>for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten down.

>

> Buist, ND

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

February 27, 2011

Hi ,

I'd love to read your story sometime. Is there a section on member/moderator

stories on this site that I've missed? I do have trouble navigating the files

sometimes.

Also. If you have nothing else to do would you mind looking at and commenting

on my current story with questions about Iodoral? The thread is " Iodoral

Fallout " and I keep posting updates because I am a very desperate person at this

point.

Thanks,

>

> Steph and I both gave our adrenal supplements that succeeded earlier Saturday:

> >For me the magic combination was extra salt, extra vit C, Isocort (1-2

> > >>pellets per day), Vit E (mixed tocopherols, 1200IU/day), pregnenolone

> > >>(40mg/day). I think that was the whole list. Plus my usual other

> > >>supplements, including iodine and companions, NAC, Quercitin/Bromelain.

>

> I've also told my adrenal story numerous times. The bottom line is that

> until I got aggressive with iodine, my adrenals never healed. I saw an

> Integrative Medicine MD and she gave me iodine, but only 3mg. I took

> various adrenal glandulars and things that she gave me over the course of a

> year, nothing really changed, I felt a bit better but not all that much

> better. We lost our health insurance so I couldn't see her anymore, and

> then I had a major health crash after 10 years of managing the fibromyalgia

> and Hashi's pretty well (except for the adrenal issue) which was bringing

> me down.

>

> Then I found the iodine protocol and started it right away, and in

> discussing the known adrenal issue (the MD said my saliva test was the

> worst result she'd ever seen) it was recommended to add Vit E and extra

> salt and Vit C, my primary practitioner (an acupuncturist/ND) had

> prescribed the Isocort and I went back to that, pregnenolone was mentioned

> and I looked it up and started that. In about 3-4 months I was massively

> better, and started losing weight. I have lost more than 25 pounds, feel

> really good most of the time, am able to do my work efficiently and

> productively and don't fall asleep constantly. I can go out and dance for

> hours and not be laid up in bed for a week or a month, whatever it might

> have been.

>

> But as I said, I was under an MD's care and never truly got well until I

> got onto the iodine protocol. I think anyone telling folks with adrenal

> issues to be scared of iodine is condemning those people to ill

> health. Not a very nice thing to do.

>

> Oh-- the least expensive source for iodine is Lugol's from a particular

> seller on ebay:

>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lugols-solution-4-fl-oz-2-2-iodine-/320494213873?pt=LH_Defau\

ltDomain_0 & hash=item4a9ef19af1

>

> He also sells the iodine crystals and the potassium iodine crystals and you

> can make your own, which is even less expensive. I can post the recipes if

> you need them.

>

> I also have suggestions and sources for the companion nutrients that are

> the least expensive that I've found. But the Iodine Protocol is far less

> expensive than most supplementation protocols I've ever run into, by far.

>

> Wishing all well,

> --

>

> >Thanks .

> >I saw the prices though and wow!

> >I don't want to be sick any longer, but all the stuff is pricey.

> >We live on a budget that already barely does not include food, lol.

> >I never thought iodine would be so high in price.

> >It this the only iodine product that really works?

> >I have heard good and bad about DHEA.

> >How much do you take of it?

> >I know Pregnelone and Dhea are precursers to cortisol.

> >I would rather try them and get off this HC.

> >My cortisol blood level was 5 in the morning, before I went on this.

> >I am really not much better.

> >I have less headaches and my BP is good now, but my tired level is just

> >one step out of bed.

> >Not worth it for the weight gain.

> >Terry

> >

> >From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

> >iodine

> >Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 9:36:14 PM

> >Subject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

> >

> >It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that

> >I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had

> >insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C,

> >Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C

> >had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine

> >took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection

> >and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to

> >carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had

> >issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did

> >better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all

> >this in Feb 2006.

> >

> >As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member

> >document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for

> >liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

> >

> > Re: West?

> >

> >I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking something

> >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten down.

> >

> > Buist, ND

> >

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

February 27, 2011

My mother works with Dr. Nusbaum in Dr. Brownstein's office. She has done the same protocol and is doing very well. She however, has not been able to come off the Cytozyme AD. Her adrenals were untreated for too long. But she does well as long as she is on it. She will be 70 in May.

Steph

Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I still have not lost any weight at all - none of the 20 kgs that I slowly gained over a three year period after the onset of my hashis symptoms. I am currently on, yet again, another low carb diet, this time following a book by Barry Groves. Everything is organic and relatively unprocessed, but I'm yet to lose any weight. It's only day 8 at the moment, but I've done these for three weeks in the past, no cheating, but no weight loss. I've only put on 2kgs since going on HC so not sure that that's the issue. I did put on two lots of 2kgs each time I started iodine (I had a break and then went back to it). I'm currently on 100mgs a day of iodine, probably a little more due to some of the other iodine containing supplements I'm taking.I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.Thanks,

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

February 27, 2011

I have added the seller recommends to the files

iodine/links/Iodine_Sources_001138151092/Iodine_Supplements_001139757093/Lugol_Solution_001138150806/Places_to_Buy_Lugol__001142034878/Lugol_s_on_eBay_001140559398/

I too did not make progress on adrenals until I worked through the detoxing by upping my iodine to 125 mgs. Yes I had horrible detox reactions but I supported my body and adrenals with nutrients and got well. It is impossible to be toxic and heal. You have to work through some uncomfortable issues to get the results you desire. I agree that advice that iodine causes damage is just wrong. The owner of the group that does this has some severe poisoning issues. She has not addressed the detoxing side of it so she blanket statements that all will be hurt by iodine since she has not had luck with it (and really it isn't luck it is hard work and perseverance.)

Buist, ND

Re: West?>>>>I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking something >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten down.>> Buist, ND>>>>>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

February 27, 2011

Hi ,

I have has Hashi's for over 25 yrs. Also fibro and IBS. My Rt3 was very high

also. Here are the steps I have taken to recovery:

1. Started HC, 5mg 4 times a day.

2. After being on HC for a few months, started T3 only, 75 mcg a day. After 3

mths my Rt3 droped from 370 to 25. Then switched to 90mg of natural thyroid

along with 37.5 mcg of t3. New labs show FT3 in high normal range and RT3 around

100. I think my thyroid levels are just right and will continue on this dose.

3. Started iodine at 12.5 slowly building up to 50mg. Been on iodine for 6 mths.

Will stay on the 50mg dose for the rest of my life. I believe in iodine. I also

take all the companion nutrients.

4. After being on iodine for about 4 mths, I no longer seemed to need the HC. I

started forgetting doses so I figured this was my body telling me I did not need

the HC anymore. I have been slowly lowering the HC dose and now take only 5mg in

the morning. Will quit HC entirely in the next month, having been on HC for over

a year.

5. Started the Chines herb, Rehmannia. You can read about this herb here:

http://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/rehmannia-root.html. It is a very good

for adrenal support. I buy this from vitacost.com.

6. Started low dose naltraxone for immune system support. There is a group

for people taking LDN so you can google this.

This has been a long process and it all started with the HC. I do not think I

would be where I am today without the HC. I was flat out adrenal fatigued and so

messed up physically and emotionally. I have to say it is very nice to have my

mind back, life works so much better.

I can't really say much about the weight issue. I never gained any weight on HC

and my weight has always been low due to the IBS. Since the IBS had cleared up,

I hope to gain some weight. Being underweight is just as troublesome as being

overweight, IMHO. I looked like the walking dead.

Hope this helps you and others in choosing which steps to take toward better

health. I started this routine just over a year ago and feel the best I have in

over 25 yrs.

Maureen

>

> Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their

> adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned

> by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories

> too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?

>

> I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm

> also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high

> Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I

> I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH

> adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals

> recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the

> NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.

>

> Thanks,

>

February 27, 2011

What were your detox reactions like?

How long did it take you to detox?

My mom has a goiter and was told not to take iodine.

Now I have severe adrenal/thyroid issues and I am NOT getting better on WT and HC.

I need something desperately.

We have several adopted children with dissabilities.

I am needed.

Thanks, Terry

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 8:21:37 AMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

I have added the seller recommends to the files

iodine/links/Iodine_Sources_001138151092/Iodine_Supplements_001139757093/Lugol_Solution_001138150806/Places_to_Buy_Lugol__001142034878/Lugol_s_on_eBay_001140559398/

I too did not make progress on adrenals until I worked through the detoxing by upping my iodine to 125 mgs. Yes I had horrible detox reactions but I supported my body and adrenals with nutrients and got well. It is impossible to be toxic and heal. You have to work through some uncomfortable issues to get the results you desire. I agree that advice that iodine causes damage is just wrong. The owner of the group that does this has some severe poisoning issues. She has not addressed the detoxing side of it so she blanket statements that all will be hurt by iodine since she has not had luck with it (and really it isn't luck it is hard work and perseverance.)

Buist, ND

Re: West?>>>>I am glad you are having success - be it slowly.

Are you taking something >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten down.>> Buist, ND>>>>>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

February 27, 2011

Lower cortisol?

I am on 27.5 mgs now of HC.

I don't eat sugar, white flour, haven't for 30 plus years.

I eat a high protein diet.

My iron is low but my thyroid is low too.

I was told low Iron causes the RT3.

Off to read your blog. Thanks.

Terry

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 2:20:45 PMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

ï»¿ RT3 will not be cleared with iodine. You need to detox your liver, lower cortisol, improve eating, eliminate inflammatory issues and that will help your RT3 come down.

Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I still have not lost any weight at all - none of the 20 kgs that I slowly gained over a three year period after the onset of my hashis symptoms. I am currently on, yet again, another low carb diet, this time following a book by Barry Groves. Everything is organic and relatively unprocessed, but I'm yet to lose any weight. It's only day 8 at the moment, but I've done

these for three weeks in the past, no cheating, but no weight loss. I've only put on 2kgs since going on HC so not sure that that's the issue. I did put on two lots of 2kgs each time I started iodine (I had a break and then went back to it). I'm currently on 100mgs a day of iodine, probably a little more due to some of the other iodine containing supplements I'm taking.I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.Thanks,

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

February 27, 2011

ï»¿

If your cortisol is high. Dr. Cabbott has a liver cleanse diet that has been effective for lowering RT3. I use Dr. Brownstein's TLC product from www.purezenhealth.com to lower mine. It was reduced by 100 pts in 6 weeks just using the product.

Buist, ND

Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I still have not lost any weight at all - none of the 20 kgs that I slowly gained over a three year period after the onset of my hashis symptoms. I am currently on, yet again, another low carb diet, this time following a book by Barry Groves. Everything is organic and relatively unprocessed, but I'm yet to lose any weight. It's only day 8 at the moment, but I've done these for three weeks in the past, no cheating, but no weight loss. I've only put on 2kgs since going on HC so not sure that that's the issue. I did put on two lots of 2kgs each time I started iodine (I had a break and then went back to it). I'm currently on 100mgs a day of iodine, probably a little more due to some of the other iodine containing supplements I'm taking.I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.Thanks,

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

February 27, 2011

Regarding DHEA lowering cortisol:

Question: I read your June 6, 2003 answer to another patient who takes DHEA. You

wrote that you can't conclude that DHEA will lower a patient's cortisol level.

But I've been reading Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield's book The Great Thyroid

Scandal and How to Survive It.[1] On page 99, he explains how DHEA lowers the

cortisol level. How do you reconcile that your opinion is different from his?

Dr. Lowe: You've misunderstood the statement by Dr. Durrant-Peatfield on page 99

of his book. Dr. Durrant-Peatfield, of course, is extremely knowledgeable about

cortisol and DHEA, and his statement on that page—like the content of his entire

book—is clear, which this is one of many reasons that I strongly recommend the

book to patients. Despite its clarity, however, I can see how you might

misinterpret the statement.

Inside the cells of the adrenal cortex is an enzyme that's dependent on the

vitamin panthothenic acid. When cholesterol enters the adrenal cells, this

enzyme converts it to pregnenolone. Dr. Peatfield explains quite correctly that

pregnenolone is the " pro-hormone " of the adrenal cortex. This means that it's

the hormone from which all the other hormones of the adrenal cortex are derive.

Some of the pregnenolone is converted to cortisol. But some patients' adrenal

cortex cells don't convert pregnenolone to cortisol at a normal rate. As a

result, the patients' cortisol levels may decrease. As Dr. Durrant-Peatfield

writes, in these patients, the pregnenolone that would have been converted to

cortisol may instead be converted to DHEA. This may raise the patients' DHEA

levels, and it may increase the ratio of DHEA to cortisol. Researchers have

found this pattern—an increased ratio of DHEA to cortisol—in patients with panic

disorder.[2]

In summary, cells of the adrenal cortex may use less pregnenolone to produce

cortisol, and this may divert more pregnenolone into the pathway that leads to

DHEA. If so, lab tests may show a low ratio of cortisol to DHEA. This does not

mean, however, that DHEA has suppressed the cortisol level. As Dr.

Durrant-Peatfield suggests, it simply means that the cells of the adrenal cortex

have increased their production of DHEA at the expense of cortisol.

References

[1] Durrant-Peatfield, B.: The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive It.

London, Barons Down Publishing, 2002.

[2] Fava, M., Rosenbaum, J.F., MacLaughlin, R.A., et al.:

Dehydroepiandrosterone-sulfate/cortisol ratio in panic disorder. Psychiatry

Res., 28(3):345-350, 1989.

RT3 would be helped by liver support. Regarding diet, when you say relatively

unprocessed, what do you mean?

Linn

>

> >

> > It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that

> > I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had

> > insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C,

> > Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had

> > Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took

> > another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then

> > died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the

> > load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with

> > weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have

> > been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

> >

> > As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member

> > document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for

> > liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

> >

>

February 27, 2011

Ok I am storing all this info.

Like I stated before, we are low on food money. So trying to fit all this in.

We have nine kids, adopted five. All is well, but Mike lost his job last year.

He got rehired at half the pay.

I will say, GOD IS MY PROVIDER and we don't go without.

I just need to pick and choose my greatest needs first.

I am already on alot of suppliments.

So I need to get what needs to go with the iodine.

I have herbs here that I purchased to do liver cleanse with last year when I had half my amalagrams out.

I got so sick from that.

I didn't do it, because when I did clay detox, it took my antidepressent level down and I got depressed badly.

So I need to check into how to put them together for liver detox.

Right now I am on HC, westhroid, Celexa, Attivan at night.

Then I take iron, D3, Vitamin C 5000 mgs daily, magnesium, liquid multivite with iron, vitamin E.

I heard Selenium on here.

Is there more?

I need to find out how to use the liquid iodine or do I start with the 12.5 iordal?

I eat basic foods, not all organic, I WISH, but not product foods either.

Meat, veggies, fruits, no gluten.

no sugar, no white.

I use coconut oil, that isn't cheap.

I take licorice, that is pricey too. lol.

My goodness, it costs a fortune to become well but getting sick is CHEAP!

Terry

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 3:24:10 PMSubject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

ï»¿ If your cortisol is high. Dr. Cabbott has a liver cleanse diet that has been effective for lowering RT3. I use Dr. Brownstein's TLC product from www.purezenhealth.com to lower mine. It was reduced by 100 pts in 6 weeks just using the product.

Buist, ND

Re: Adrenals and Iodine

Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I still have not lost any weight at all - none of the 20 kgs that I slowly gained over a three year period after the onset of my hashis symptoms. I am currently on, yet again, another low carb diet, this time following a book by Barry Groves. Everything is organic and relatively unprocessed, but I'm yet to lose any weight. It's only day 8 at the moment, but I've done

these for three weeks in the past, no cheating, but no weight loss. I've only put on 2kgs since going on HC so not sure that that's the issue. I did put on two lots of 2kgs each time I started iodine (I had a break and then went back to it). I'm currently on 100mgs a day of iodine, probably a little more due to some of the other iodine containing supplements I'm taking.I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.Thanks,

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad that I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I had insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all this in Feb 2006.

As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

February 27, 2011

Hi ,

Thanks! I'm copying and pasting your story here into my own documents so I can

refer to it later.

Very interesting that you were able to use Isocort and then get off it.

I take such a small dose of NT at the moment because when I raise it I get what

seem like " hyper " symptoms--ie resting heart rate goes way up, jittery,

insomnia, tachycardia, etc.--similar to the cascade of symptoms I'm dealing with

now. I understand that it's probably insufficiently treated adrenals and/or my

chronically low ferritin/iron labs that may be the cause of this.

I have been coached by moderators on several sites that my adrenals must be

supported (did saliva cortisol and posted on several sites, started the HC);

then they must be stabilized(according to daily ave. temperatures) which mine

have not even come close to; and I must bring up the iron (severe difficulties

tolerating supplements so it's taking a long time) BEFORE I try raising that NT

or I'll keep running into the same problems. Do you agree with that assessment?

I really do not think these symptoms are detox because I cycle through them up

and down and have for years--ever since I had a total thyroidectomy and started

on synthetic thyroid (2004). These are a very, very familiar set of symptoms

with a particular hierarchy of onset and I've had them many, many times before I

ever even heard about iodine. I used to think I was hyperthyroid but now I know

that can't have been the case, so now I think these symptoms are adrenal in

nature. Maybe I'll learn something later and look back and decide they were

something else.

You give some good coaching about not being afraid of Iodine and I have read

Browenstein's book recently, which, when my brain fog clears,I will review

again. I am only afraid of it in that the detox MAY have stressed my adrenals

into this current crash. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

The only detox symptoms that I noticed were runny nose and itchy eyes that go

away with enough Celtic Sea Salt. By the way, I'm doing the whole protocol with

selenium, magnesium, vitamin C to bowel tolerance, Iodoral, Celtic Sea Salt, the

B vitamins. This current build-up to crash started one day after I raised the

Iodine dose and kept on as I kept up with the Iodine and then eased off briefly

when I dropped my dose back down. So maybe it's just a huge coincidence.

These symptoms are so severe as to make me completely non-functional in the

world and socially, so I really don't like them much, especially since I know

they can last months. That's my only reservation about the Iodine and it may not

even be related to the Iodine.

I am actually a gung-ho Iodine advocate and have gotten other people going on it

and they've had fantastic results. So I WILL be taking a higher dose of Iodine

(and companion nutrients) one way or another eventually.

You make the point that Gracia keeps trying to pound into me that maybe I should

go even higher than the dose at which all this started. It's interesting that

you say that some have fewer detox symptoms at a higher dose. I may get brave

enough to do that, but you can see why I might hesitate given the bad shape I'm

in--especially since I don't know what caused this--things were going so well.

Again--I don't believe these to be detox symptoms as they are a familiar set of

them that I had of and on for years before I ever heard of or took Iodine. For

the sake of completion here's the list of them which I know I posted somewhere

recently (apologies if it was right here--no brain, at all):

Physical Ones

Insomnia: difficulty falling asleep, staying asleep, frequent wakings

Headache, pretty constant

Nausea, especially with movement, worse in mornings until late

afternoon, then improves: extremely limited food choices and

must sleep on a couch reclining to manage it

Shortness of breath--extreme, just walking slowly

fatigue,weakness, limited ability to do any kind of activity

More hot flashes, esp. at night

weepiness

heart palpitations

increased resting heart rate (up to 120)

Hypersensitivity to external stimuli (light, sound, touch, hot, cold,

activity)

Tachycardia with aerobic ex

Mental/cognitive ones:

Finding some things way more fascinating/humorous than usual

Noun retrieval deficit more pronounced than usual

Short-term memory loss, forgetfulness

Difficulty sustaining attention for increasingly short periods of time

repeating myself (as you can see right here)

Spacily drifting off in the middle of things

Extreme forgetfulness (see, now I've said that twice already)

Intense distractibility

Obsessive thinking, hyperfocus, can't let go of thoughts

Unfounded anxiety

I'm not sure if I caught them all but that's the gist.

I will go get some more education here and am intrigued about this thing where

detox symptoms can be something you think you've already solved or gotten over

and they evidently show up in some kind of order? Even all these kinds of

symptoms I listed above? I haven't seen all these in the detox literature.

I will also look more into detox procedures. I have a lot of trouble navigating

the files on this site for some reason.

Can you recommend a book that focuses more on the detox symptoms?

Thanks for your thoughtful reply--I'm going to go chew on it.

> > >

> > > Steph and I both gave our adrenal supplements that succeeded earlier

> > Saturday:

> > > >For me the magic combination was extra salt, extra vit C, Isocort (1-2

> > > > >>pellets per day), Vit E (mixed tocopherols, 1200IU/day), pregnenolone

> > > > >>(40mg/day). I think that was the whole list. Plus my usual other

> > > > >>supplements, including iodine and companions, NAC,

Quercitin/Bromelain.

> > >

> > > I've also told my adrenal story numerous times. The bottom line is that

> > > until I got aggressive with iodine, my adrenals never healed. I saw an

> > > Integrative Medicine MD and she gave me iodine, but only 3mg. I took

> > > various adrenal glandulars and things that she gave me over the course

> > of a

> > > year, nothing really changed, I felt a bit better but not all that much

> > > better. We lost our health insurance so I couldn't see her anymore, and

> > > then I had a major health crash after 10 years of managing the

> > fibromyalgia

> > > and Hashi's pretty well (except for the adrenal issue) which was bringing

> > > me down.

> > >

> > > Then I found the iodine protocol and started it right away, and in

> > > discussing the known adrenal issue (the MD said my saliva test was the

> > > worst result she'd ever seen) it was recommended to add Vit E and extra

> > > salt and Vit C, my primary practitioner (an acupuncturist/ND) had

> > > prescribed the Isocort and I went back to that, pregnenolone was mentioned

> > > and I looked it up and started that. In about 3-4 months I was

> > massively

> > > better, and started losing weight. I have lost more than 25 pounds, feel

> > > really good most of the time, am able to do my work efficiently and

> > > productively and don't fall asleep constantly. I can go out and dance for

> > > hours and not be laid up in bed for a week or a month, whatever it might

> > > have been.

> > >

> > > But as I said, I was under an MD's care and never truly got well until I

> > > got onto the iodine protocol. I think anyone telling folks with adrenal

> > > issues to be scared of iodine is condemning those people to ill

> > > health. Not a very nice thing to do.

> > >

> > > Oh-- the least expensive source for iodine is Lugol's from a particular

> > > seller on ebay:

> > >

> >

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lugols-solution-4-fl-oz-2-2-iodine-/320494213873?pt=LH_Defau\

ltDomain_0 & hash=item4a9ef19af1

> > >

> > > He also sells the iodine crystals and the potassium iodine crystals and

> > you

> > > can make your own, which is even less expensive. I can post the

> > recipes if

> > > you need them.

> > >

> > > I also have suggestions and sources for the companion nutrients that are

> > > the least expensive that I've found. But the Iodine Protocol is far less

> > > expensive than most supplementation protocols I've ever run into, by far.

> > >

> > > Wishing all well,

> > > --

> > >

> > > >Thanks .

> > > >I saw the prices though and wow!

> > > >I don't want to be sick any longer, but all the stuff is pricey.

> > > >We live on a budget that already barely does not include food, lol.

> > > >I never thought iodine would be so high in price.

> > > >It this the only iodine product that really works?

> > > >I have heard good and bad about DHEA.

> > > >How much do you take of it?

> > > >I know Pregnelone and Dhea are precursers to cortisol.

> > > >I would rather try them and get off this HC.

> > > >My cortisol blood level was 5 in the morning, before I went on this.

> > > >I am really not much better.

> > > >I have less headaches and my BP is good now, but my tired level is just

> > > >one step out of bed.

> > > >Not worth it for the weight gain.

> > > >Terry

> > > >

> > > >From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>

> > > >iodine

> > > >Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 9:36:14 PM

> > > >Subject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

> > > >

> > > >It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad

> > that

> > > >I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood up. I

> > had

> > > >insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C,

> > > >Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my Vit C

> > > >had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was amazing. Mine

> > > >took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic dissection

> > > >and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on me to

> > > >carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had

> > > >issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did

> > > >better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I started all

> > > >this in Feb 2006.

> > > >

> > > >As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new member

> > > >document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you ideas for

> > > >liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper.

> > > >

> > > > Re: West?

> > > >

> > > >I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking

> > something

> > > >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting

> > beaten down.

> > > >

> > > > Buist, ND

> > > >

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

February 27, 2011

Aha !!! You did not make progress on your adrenals until you worked

through the iodine stuff? Were you hypothyroid the whole time too? Where can I

go to read your story at this level of detail? Did you have symptoms like the

ones I posted in this thread in response to ? Had you ever had these

same symptoms before you started taking iodine? I might be closing in on

something here....

Thanks,

>

> I have added the seller recommends to the files

>

iodine/links/Iodine_Sources_001138151092/Io\

dine_Supplements_001139757093/Lugol_Solution_001138150806/Places_to_Buy_Lugol__0\

01142034878/Lugol_s_on_eBay_001140559398/

>

> I too did not make progress on adrenals until I worked through the detoxing by

upping my iodine to 125 mgs. Yes I had horrible detox reactions but I supported

my body and adrenals with nutrients and got well. It is impossible to be toxic

and heal. You have to work through some uncomfortable issues to get the results

you desire. I agree that advice that iodine causes damage is just wrong. The

owner of the group that does this has some severe poisoning issues. She has not

addressed the detoxing side of it so she blanket statements that all will be

hurt by iodine since she has not had luck with it (and really it isn't luck it

is hard work and perseverance.)

>

> Buist, ND

>

> Re: West?

> >

> >I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking something

> >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten

down.

> >

> > Buist, ND

> >

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

February 27, 2011

Oops never mind on my request for your story since you answered that below.

Still have the other questions unless they are answered in your story which I am

going to go read right now. Any chance you mods might post your stories right

here on this website one day? You're probably just a TAD bit busy setting up a

practice and writing a book I suppose. So very useful to read detailed success

stories--the devil is in the details and as you say it's hard work and takes all

kinds of perseverance. Thanks for being a light, a shining example, at the end

of a tunnel--very heartening.

> >

> > I have added the seller recommends to the files

> >

iodine/links/Iodine_Sources_001138151092/Io\

dine_Supplements_001139757093/Lugol_Solution_001138150806/Places_to_Buy_Lugol__0\

01142034878/Lugol_s_on_eBay_001140559398/

> >

> > I too did not make progress on adrenals until I worked through the detoxing

by upping my iodine to 125 mgs. Yes I had horrible detox reactions but I

supported my body and adrenals with nutrients and got well. It is impossible to

be toxic and heal. You have to work through some uncomfortable issues to get

the results you desire. I agree that advice that iodine causes damage is just

wrong. The owner of the group that does this has some severe poisoning issues.

She has not addressed the detoxing side of it so she blanket statements that all

will be hurt by iodine since she has not had luck with it (and really it isn't

luck it is hard work and perseverance.)

> >

> > Buist, ND

> >

> > Re: West?

> > >

> > >I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking something

> > >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting beaten

down.

> > >

> > > Buist, ND

> > >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

>

February 27, 2011

Hello Maureen,

Which of the things in your journey do you think were key for clearing up the

IBS and how long did that take you?

> >

> > Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their

> > adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned

> > by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories

> > too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?

> >

> > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm

> > also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high

> > Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I

> > I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH

> > adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals

> > recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the

> > NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

February 27, 2011

heh-- good one, Terry.

Selenium should be 200-400mcg/day. Magnesium should be 400mg/day

minimum. You're already fine on the Vit C. You must also have unrefined

salt. That seems expensive compared to regular salt but it's a really good

investment in health and if you buy Redmond's RealSalt it's the least

expensive and available at all natural food stores now.

I'm going to repost my email about sources and you can see the selenium I

buy.

wishing you well.

--

At 02:48 PM 2/27/2011, you wrote:

>

>Ok I am storing all this info.

>Like I stated before, we are low on food money. So trying to fit all this in.

>We have nine kids, adopted five. All is well, but Mike lost his job last year.

>He got rehired at half the pay.

>I will say, GOD IS MY PROVIDER and we don't go without.

>I just need to pick and choose my greatest needs first.

>I am already on alot of suppliments.

>So I need to get what needs to go with the iodine.

>I have herbs here that I purchased to do liver cleanse with last year when

>I had half my amalagrams out.

>I got so sick from that.

>I didn't do it, because when I did clay detox, it took my antidepressent

>level down and I got depressed badly.

>So I need to check into how to put them together for liver detox.

>

>Right now I am on HC, westhroid, Celexa, Attivan at night.

>Then I take iron, D3, Vitamin C 5000 mgs daily, magnesium, liquid

>multivite with iron, vitamin E.

>I heard Selenium on here.

>Is there more?

>I need to find out how to use the liquid iodine or do I start with the

>12.5 iordal?

>I eat basic foods, not all organic, I WISH, but not product foods either.

>Meat, veggies, fruits, no gluten.

>no sugar, no white.

>I use coconut oil, that isn't cheap.

>I take licorice, that is pricey too. lol.

>My goodness, it costs a fortune to become well but getting sick is CHEAP!

>Terry

>

>From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

>iodine

>Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 3:24:10 PM

>Subject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine

>

>ï»¿

>If your cortisol is high. Dr. Cabbott has a liver cleanse diet that has

>been effective for lowering RT3. I use Dr. Brownstein's TLC product from

><http://www.purezenhealth.com/>www.purezenhealth.com to lower mine. It

>was reduced by 100 pts in 6 weeks just using the product.

>

> Buist, ND

>

> Re: Adrenals and Iodine

>

>Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their

>adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol

>mentioned by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear

>other stories too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)?

>

>I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and

>I'm also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very

>high Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However,

>I still have not lost any weight at all - none of the 20 kgs that I slowly

>gained over a three year period after the onset of my hashis

>symptoms. I am currently on, yet again, another low carb diet, this

>time following a book by Barry Groves. Everything is organic and

>relatively unprocessed, but I'm yet to lose any weight. It's only day 8

>at the moment, but I've done these for three weeks in the past, no

>cheating, but no weight loss. I've only put on 2kgs since going on HC

>so not sure that that's the issue. I did put on two lots of 2kgs each

>time I started iodine (I had a break and then went back to it). I'm

>currently on 100mgs a day of iodine, probably a little more due to some of

>the other iodine containing supplements I'm taking.

>

>I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH

>adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my

>adrenals recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of

>help from the NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other

>suggestions too.

>

>Thanks,

>

>On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:36 PM, ladybugsandbees

><<mailto:ladybugsandbees@...>ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: