Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Iron infusions are not something that one would want to have routinely nor could one do them routinely without damage down the line. If one is not able to keep iron levels normal, it would be advisable to find out why. There are many variables involved. Linn > > > > > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My dd¹s > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption of > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in > > > this > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > >group IodineOT/ > > > > > > > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 It'll take me a day or 2 but I'll get them. Thanks for asking Linn. I'll consider everything. And as said my ND is awesome, he always listens to my thoughts and reasoning. Karin > > > > > > > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My dd¹s > > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption of > > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in this > > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well it took me a while to regulate my hormones " enough " with natural supplements and progesterone cream. I tried to get the gynecologist to give me a D and C but she just wanted to put me on progesterone pills. I did have an ultasound that confirmed I had a couple different 1 centimeter fibroids. I started iodine in the fall of 2009 and I'm taking 125mgs daily. My periods have normalized except for maybe 2 different heavy 10 day episodes since I've started the iodine protocol. I haven't tested my stools I should make sure I don't have any blood loss there too. Karin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My dd¹s > > > > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption of > > > > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > > > > >group IodineOT/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 What you are saying is that if the thyroid is low, the bone marrow doesn't make red blood cells. Not true. Hypothyroid folks can have low iron issues, but it doesn't mean they all do. Linn > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My > >dd¹s > >> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption > >of > >> > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in > > >> > > > this > >> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >------------------------------------ > >> > > > > >> > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >> > > >group IodineOT/ > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Links > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > >> > > --A.J. Muste > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I was able to cure severe adenomyosis with iodine, thyroid meds and bio-id progesterone. I saw results very quickly, (within a couple of months) in solving the heavy bleeding, took longer to remedy the anemia. You might want to investigate gut issues also. Gluten issues can cause trouble with iron levels, infections and kidney issues also. Linn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My dd¹s > > > > > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption of > > > > > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > > > > > >group IodineOT/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > > > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 You stated, " If thyroid is low, the body does not make red blood cells because of the lowered temperature of the body. " That statement is not true. Red blood cells are made in the bone marrow which does not quit functioning due to low thyroid. Hypothyroid folks can also have iron issues but it can be due to a variety of reasons, not just the fact that they are hypothyroid. I am familiar with the info at STTM. There is much more to the problem than low ferritin. Not knowing the reason for low ferritin or other iron levels that may be askew and supplementing iron can be dangerous and lead to more problems. Linn > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. My > > > >dd¹s > > >> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with absorption > > > > >of > > >> > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested > >in > > > > > > >> > > > this > > >> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 > product. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >------------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > >> > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > >> > > >group IodineOT/ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e > >Links > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > >> > > --A.J. Muste > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Terry, My concern was with the statement itself, which can be very confusing to others. You stated that hypothyroidism cause red cells to stop production. If it did that, all of us with hypoT would be in serious trouble very quickly. NO red blood cell production would be life threatening. That was what I was correcting. I know a few things about hematology, aplastic anemia, in particular. I lost a 5 year daughter to that disease. Linn > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. > >My > > > > > > > >dd¹s > > > >> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with > >absorption > > > > > > > > >of > > > >> > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > >> > > > this > > > >> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 > > product. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > > >> > > >group IodineOT/ > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e > > >Links > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > >> > > --A.J. Muste > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Iodine would certainly be one of the items to include for healing. My issue with the iron is that I see a lot of folks supplementing iron without proper testing. Many times folks will start taking iron from recommendations by some of the groups, without proper testing, or because they misunderstand and think it's part of the thyroid protocol. Proper testing requires at least a CBC/Diff, that is a complete blood count which gives info on red cells, white cells and platelets, with the differential giving expanded info on the types of white cells. Anemia is a complicated subject. We can guess all we want as to what is causing it, but without proper testing, it can be a shot in the dark or worsen the problem by supplementing. How long were you supplementing? Were you feeling better? Did you have a CBC done also? If not, you could be dealing with an infection that's causing the iron issues and supplementing iron is only going to make you worse, as iron feeds the microbes. I do see your dilemma and that's the reason I made the correction to start. There is a lot of information on the internet and it can take a lot of time and research to comb through all it. Please do not feel bad, that was not my intent. My intent was to keep people from being confused. I can't say that taking iodine alone would cure anemia, but taking iodine will help your thyroid. Are you dealing with a doctor or doing everything on your own? I do understand the money issues, this can be an expensive journey. So what all did you order? And can you tell me everything that you are taking at this point. I do understand about everything looking like thyroid symptoms and that's what is hard about all this as there are so many things that can cause the same symptoms, same with adrenal issues, many of those symptoms can be directly caused by magnesium deficiency. If you've been ill for a long time, it may take a while to remedy, but please don't give up, you'll find your way. One thing to keep in mind is that it's better to know both the pros and cons of items you're supplementing. Iodine, for instance, can cause detox issues. If you don't know that up front, it can cause people to quit taking it when they experience certain symptoms. If you have not done a lot of detoxing in the past, then your road to health is definitely going to need to include addressing that. You sound like you have your hands full and you definitely need to get yourself well in order to take care of your family. So send us back the info and I'm sure between all of us we can start to get you back on the road to health. Linn > > >  >  > On a positive note, I did find that anemia has many of the same symptoms of > hypothyroidism. This makes me wonder if these particular symptoms are from the > anemia that is caused by hypothyroidism. >  And if the thyriod needs iodine to function well, then I wonder if that would > eventually cure the anemia? > I did find that iron does not always fix anemia and alot more about it being > toxic, as has been stated here. > I stopped all my iron yesterday because of that risk. > Of course now I am more burried in my box because I have low iron saturation and > that keeps my thyriod t3 from going into my cells, thus keeping me hypothyroid, > and if that causes more anemia, it is a vicious cycle. >  If iodine isn't the answer to that, then God take me to heaven because I am not > living right now, I am existing. >  Every where I go, someone has an answer. Then someone else says no that is > wrong, but this is right. > I am trusting the Lord that He will show me which path is right. > I believe He led me to this group and to me, it makes sense that iodine would be > at the root of the entire problem. > I have heard lots of voices though. > Don't take iodine as it will make you sicker, etc. > Take iron, or your thyroid meds won't work. > Don't take iron as it will make you toxic. > Take iodine, it will heal all of your organs. > Do you see my dilema? > I am sure people have joined this group often with this history of 50 flavors > that are out there and which flavor do you choose? > I put my hopes in this. > I came here and for a few days I studied, listened, asked a few questions and on > faith, I spent 100 dollars on all the products last night. > That was alot of money for me with our situation, and praise God I had income > taxes. So I am hoping that this flavor is the right one and that there won't be > any more dead ends. >  I really wish that our discussion wasn't one that made me feel as though I had > lied to you. I did not mean for it to sound like one. > I was repeating someone elses FLAVOR and I felt that it was true information as > it felt right when I heard it. >  Just like using iodine " feels " right. > There are some things that I know to be complete truth on this earth. > With this stuff, I am still walking in faith and thus, I shoud have added the > words " I was informed that being cold can cause anemia " . > Instead I spoke it as truth or knowledge and I appologize for that. >  One thing though, I have been ill for ten years. Just staying alive that long > has taken an iron clad will and the fact that i have some very special needs > chidlren that need me. >  I, however, am about at the end of my life rope with this stuff. I don't know > that there are very many other options out there. > So please bear with me as I learn what I need to here, to get my life back. >  I have a calling on my life that needs a miracle to continue in. >  I was completely healthy when we gave birth to four kids and adopted five. I > never saw a future like this. > I also believe that it is possible that my two adopted children, with Fetal > alcohol syndrome, have low thyroid. > If I can help myself, I can help them. > Both have a diagnosis of bipolar and are tired all the time. > My mom has hascimoto's. I see the beginings of things in my birth kids. > I feel like I am looking at a thyroid problem under every bush now. > Anyway, thank you for listening to me. I give up. > What ever the cause of anemia, I need to heal it. > With all the directives to not take iron etc. no one has said what will help and > it was stated that iodine won't help anemia. >  I hope it indirectly does. > Terry > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Terry, I have done the same thing myself, many times. I think we all do it. We state something that we BELIEVE to be true, based on our experiences, what we read,heard or just think.They are opinions, thats all.Rather than constantly peppering our posts with " In my opinion, I believe, I've read, etc. " its best if we all agree that thats assumed; that anything any of us posts is qualified in this manner. Therefore I am not wrong for posting what I think, and you are not wrong for posting what you think.The only " wrong post' would be personal assaults; " Your stupid for thinking that " kind of thing. This way we're all working together in the quest for knowledge.It would be good for people to say " Here is a link to the research I read, to support my position. " Thing with that is, i read lots of stuff, where i remember the salient facts, but not where i read it.And, theres always the 'coffee study syndrome';As long as I can remember, every so often I see a report on coffee. One says it slightly increases you risk for cancer and heart disease. The next says it has a slightly protective effect against cancer and heart disease.I figure either this is a clear indication that it has NO effect one way or the other, and the differences are strictly in the sample group.Or, it is bad for you, and every time a study comes out saying its bad for you, the united coffee council 'commissions' a study to refute it.Take your pick.Anyway, don't beat yourself up.Your just talking from where you are, and your understanding, like us all.I'm really looking for the person that knows more than me, so I can learn.;-) Jim > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Why can you not take cytomel with low iron? I don¹t understand. > >My > > > > > > > >dd¹s > > > >> > > > > iron tends to go low, and oral supplements interfere with > >absorption > > > > > > > > >of > > > >> > > > > other meds. She gets iron infusuions periodically. I am interested > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > >> > > > this > > > >> > > > > iron/cytomel connection, since she takes both a t4 and a t3 > > product. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > > >> > > >group IodineOT/ > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e > > >Links > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > >> > > --A.J. Muste > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 This is a great thread! I am so glad to be meeting people with stories so similar to mine. First , now you, Maureen. (My BMI is still less than 18, even though I gained back 14 lbs. ) I have Hashi's and Myofascial Pain and adrenal misregulation (it's not insufficiency, since it overshoots very easily from a bit of exercise). When I was on dessicated thyroid, my T3/RT3 ratio was 14.9 (needs to be above 20) with RT3 at 207. Maureen, last time I tried adding in a bit of dessicated thyroid (I had been on Cynomel for over a year), my myofascial pain and all other hypo symptoms got worse in 2 weeks. So I'm wondering if you can tell me what your FT3/RT3 ratio is now. Did you get the FT3 lab when you got the RT3 of 100? Also, could you tell us which symptoms have improved? And which are still hanging on? I'm going to check out the Rehmannia. Thanks! > > > > Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their > > adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned > > by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories > > too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)? > > > > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm > > also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high > > Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I > > I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH > > adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals > > recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the > > NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 > Scientists discovered this through rat tails. > Rat tails are low in red blood cells because they are cold. > They took a tail of a rat and sewed it into the belly and it produced more red > blood cells. > They proved that the warmth made the body create more red blood cells. > That does not mean that every hypothyroid person is low in iron, but alot are. > I made a statement that you state is not true. > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin/ > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/iron.htm > Just google it. > If I don't speak the truth, then alot of others are not also. This made me sad. > > Terry This experiment and lots of human cases come from Broda ' book. the claim is that if your body temperature is too low, your bone marrow can not make blood cells normally. Also there are other problems with low temperature hypothyroid people and iron utilization, including the gut not being able to use digestive enzymes or make them (don't have the book right in front of me)> Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Thanks Maureen, Gives me hope. > > , > > I think the key was taking HC and then the iodine. IBS cleared up after being on iodine 6 mths, taking 50mg. > > Maureen > > > > Hello Maureen, > > > > Which of the things in your journey do you think were key for clearing up the IBS and how long did that take you? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Hi Linn, I've been searching quite some time now for info/research on the role of iron (and how to interpret which labs) in the metabolism of thyroid. All the emphasis on ferritin levels only gives me little to go on when it comes to finding research or explanations. Mostly I'm trying to convince myself (and practitioners) to really focus on getting ferritin up, since it is quite difficult for me to do. I am on the low end of ferritin, low end of total iron, lowish on percent saturation but still " in range " . I have not seen anyone discuss these other blood measures it always seems to center on ferritin. Do you know where I can get some good research or information on how this works? I certainly do not want to overdo on the iron (though that seems unlikely for me so far) but I do want to maximize my system for getting its thyroid since I've had huge problems there. If you would list the labs you'd like to see for iron consideration I'd love to post all of mine and have you take a look at them. Thanks--this is a great thread... > > > > > >  > >  > > On a positive note, I did find that anemia has many of the same symptoms of > > hypothyroidism. This makes me wonder if these particular symptoms are from the > > anemia that is caused by hypothyroidism. > >  And if the thyriod needs iodine to function well, then I wonder if that would > > eventually cure the anemia? > > I did find that iron does not always fix anemia and alot more about it being > > toxic, as has been stated here. > > I stopped all my iron yesterday because of that risk. > > Of course now I am more burried in my box because I have low iron saturation and > > that keeps my thyriod t3 from going into my cells, thus keeping me hypothyroid, > > and if that causes more anemia, it is a vicious cycle. > >  If iodine isn't the answer to that, then God take me to heaven because I am not > > living right now, I am existing. > >  Every where I go, someone has an answer. Then someone else says no that is > > wrong, but this is right. > > I am trusting the Lord that He will show me which path is right. > > I believe He led me to this group and to me, it makes sense that iodine would be > > at the root of the entire problem. > > I have heard lots of voices though. > > Don't take iodine as it will make you sicker, etc. > > Take iron, or your thyroid meds won't work. > > Don't take iron as it will make you toxic. > > Take iodine, it will heal all of your organs. > > Do you see my dilema? > > I am sure people have joined this group often with this history of 50 flavors > > that are out there and which flavor do you choose? > > I put my hopes in this. > > I came here and for a few days I studied, listened, asked a few questions and on > > faith, I spent 100 dollars on all the products last night. > > That was alot of money for me with our situation, and praise God I had income > > taxes. So I am hoping that this flavor is the right one and that there won't be > > any more dead ends. > >  I really wish that our discussion wasn't one that made me feel as though I had > > lied to you. I did not mean for it to sound like one. > > I was repeating someone elses FLAVOR and I felt that it was true information as > > it felt right when I heard it. > >  Just like using iodine " feels " right. > > There are some things that I know to be complete truth on this earth. > > With this stuff, I am still walking in faith and thus, I shoud have added the > > words " I was informed that being cold can cause anemia " . > > Instead I spoke it as truth or knowledge and I appologize for that. > >  One thing though, I have been ill for ten years. Just staying alive that long > > has taken an iron clad will and the fact that i have some very special needs > > chidlren that need me. > >  I, however, am about at the end of my life rope with this stuff. I don't know > > that there are very many other options out there. > > So please bear with me as I learn what I need to here, to get my life back. > >  I have a calling on my life that needs a miracle to continue in. > >  I was completely healthy when we gave birth to four kids and adopted five. I > > never saw a future like this. > > I also believe that it is possible that my two adopted children, with Fetal > > alcohol syndrome, have low thyroid. > > If I can help myself, I can help them. > > Both have a diagnosis of bipolar and are tired all the time. > > My mom has hascimoto's. I see the beginings of things in my birth kids. > > I feel like I am looking at a thyroid problem under every bush now. > > Anyway, thank you for listening to me. I give up. > > What ever the cause of anemia, I need to heal it. > > With all the directives to not take iron etc. no one has said what will help and > > it was stated that iodine won't help anemia. > >  I hope it indirectly does. > > Terry > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 , Thanks so much for your post. The distinction you make between which are adrenals and which could be thyroid/adrenal combos is VERY helpful. That's where I was getting really, really confused. I guess blabbing out the torturous state of my mind turns out to be a good idea because I'm getting such great feedback on a couple of sites. I believe you are right, and I was wondering the same. I increased my HC in the morning this morning and dropped the Iodine until I can get a little more clarity about this. I will come back to the Iodine, since I've promised Gracia and she will not let me forget I also realized I'd been going far too long between doses of HC, particularly in the morning and just feel that I don't get enough thyroid, well, I know I don't as I wait for the adrenals to settle and the ferritin/iron to come up. So today was like a miracle cure of so many things clear up until the evening which is when I'm probably tanking some because I take one NT in the morning and 1/2 NT at noon and nothing after that. Right now I'm getting more symptoms returning so after a couple of days I am going to try to raise the NT a tiny bit and I think that may help. Thank you for all of your post which I am going to copy and save for further study when I have more available brain cells. Looking forward to the stories....they are invaluable when slogging through all this! > > > > > > > > > > Steph and I both gave our adrenal supplements that succeeded earlier > > > > Saturday: > > > > > >For me the magic combination was extra salt, extra vit C, Isocort (1-2 > > > > > > >>pellets per day), Vit E (mixed tocopherols, 1200IU/day), > > pregnenolone > > > > > > >>(40mg/day). I think that was the whole list. Plus my usual other > > > > > > >>supplements, including iodine and companions, NAC, > > Quercitin/Bromelain. > > > > > > > > > > I've also told my adrenal story numerous times. The bottom line is > > that > > > > > until I got aggressive with iodine, my adrenals never healed. I saw an > > > > > Integrative Medicine MD and she gave me iodine, but only 3mg. I took > > > > > various adrenal glandulars and things that she gave me over the course > > > > of a > > > > > year, nothing really changed, I felt a bit better but not all that much > > > > > better. We lost our health insurance so I couldn't see her anymore, and > > > > > then I had a major health crash after 10 years of managing the > > > > fibromyalgia > > > > > and Hashi's pretty well (except for the adrenal issue) which was > > bringing > > > > > me down. > > > > > > > > > > Then I found the iodine protocol and started it right away, and in > > > > > discussing the known adrenal issue (the MD said my saliva test was the > > > > > worst result she'd ever seen) it was recommended to add Vit E and extra > > > > > salt and Vit C, my primary practitioner (an acupuncturist/ND) had > > > > > prescribed the Isocort and I went back to that, pregnenolone was > > mentioned > > > > > and I looked it up and started that. In about 3-4 months I was > > > > massively > > > > > better, and started losing weight. I have lost more than 25 > > pounds, feel > > > > > really good most of the time, am able to do my work efficiently and > > > > > productively and don't fall asleep constantly. I can go out and > > dance for > > > > > hours and not be laid up in bed for a week or a month, whatever it > > might > > > > > have been. > > > > > > > > > > But as I said, I was under an MD's care and never truly got well > > until I > > > > > got onto the iodine protocol. I think anyone telling folks with > > adrenal > > > > > issues to be scared of iodine is condemning those people to ill > > > > > health. Not a very nice thing to do. > > > > > > > > > > Oh-- the least expensive source for iodine is Lugol's from a particular > > > > > seller on ebay: > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Lugols-solution-4-fl-oz-2-2-iodine-/320494213873?pt=LH_Defau\ ltDomain_0 & hash=item4a9ef19af1 > > > > > > > > > > He also sells the iodine crystals and the potassium iodine crystals > > and > > > > you > > > > > can make your own, which is even less expensive. I can post the > > > > recipes if > > > > > you need them. > > > > > > > > > > I also have suggestions and sources for the companion nutrients > > that are > > > > > the least expensive that I've found. But the Iodine Protocol is > > far less > > > > > expensive than most supplementation protocols I've ever run into, > > by far. > > > > > > > > > > Wishing all well, > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks . > > > > > >I saw the prices though and wow! > > > > > >I don't want to be sick any longer, but all the stuff is pricey. > > > > > >We live on a budget that already barely does not include food, lol. > > > > > >I never thought iodine would be so high in price. > > > > > >It this the only iodine product that really works? > > > > > >I have heard good and bad about DHEA. > > > > > >How much do you take of it? > > > > > >I know Pregnelone and Dhea are precursers to cortisol. > > > > > >I would rather try them and get off this HC. > > > > > >My cortisol blood level was 5 in the morning, before I went on this. > > > > > >I am really not much better. > > > > > >I have less headaches and my BP is good now, but my tired level is > > just > > > > > >one step out of bed. > > > > > >Not worth it for the weight gain. > > > > > >Terry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@> > > > > > >iodine > > > > > >Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 9:36:14 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: Adrenals and Iodine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It really helped me. My adrenals were in the tank. They were so bad > > > > that > > > > > >I would get light headed and see stars & blackness when I stood > > up. I > > > > had > > > > > >insomnia and PMS. It was horrible! I took Cytozyme AD, Vit C, > > > > > >Pregnenolone, DHEA, BioIdentical Hormones, Salt and Iodine plus my > > Vit C > > > > > >had Mg, Ca & K in it. I was 75% better in 6 mos. It was > > amazing. Mine > > > > > >took another dive when my dad ended up in ICU with an aortic > > dissection > > > > > >and then died 23 days later. I am an only child so it was all on > > me to > > > > > >carry the load for my mom. I went on HC then for a few months but had > > > > > >issues with weight gain so I went back on the normal protocol and did > > > > > >better. I have been off all support for 1 1/2 years now. I > > started all > > > > > >this in Feb 2006. > > > > > > > > > > > >As for where to get the iodine. There are some links in the new > > member > > > > > >document in the files section for Iodoral. Others can give you > > ideas for > > > > > >liquid if you would prefer that since it is a bit cheaper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: West? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am glad you are having success - be it slowly. Are you taking > > > > something > > > > > >for your adrenals? Those buggers are hard to heal after getting > > > > beaten down. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > > > >group IodineOT/ > > > > > > > > > > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >group IodineOT/ > > > > > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Linn, I am sorry to hear you lost your daughter as well. That is something no one should have to feel. Terry, I wanted to comment on Linn's comment about Blackstrap Molasses(organic!) This product alone has helped many people in my family with anemia. A little goes a long way, maybe a tsp a day, and it doesnt take long to feel more energy! It is a cheap, handy tool, and tasty for some(not a great fan but whatever works!)A bottle isnt very expensive, I am in Canada and paid $10 for a large bottle that was around so long I decided I had to buy a new one. I am sure the combo of Molasses and Iodine has eliminated my anemia, now my adrenals are a little trickier,lol...they don't want to cooperate! > > > > > Linn, First I am so sorry you lost your daughter. That broke my heart to read. Please forgive me for bringing up any of your pain. > > Thank you, that is very sweet of you, no forgiveness needed. > > I will include my answers under your questions here: > > > > Iodine would certainly be one of the items to include for healing. My issue with the iron is that I see a lot of folks supplementing iron without proper testing. Many times folks will start taking iron from recommendations by some of the groups, without proper testing, or because they misunderstand and think it's part of the thyroid protocol. Proper testing requires at least a CBC/Diff, that is a complete blood count which gives info on red cells, white cells and platelets, with the differential giving expanded info on the types of white cells. > > > > Anemia is a complicated subject. We can guess all we want as to what is causing it, but without proper testing, it can be a shot in the dark or worsen the problem by supplementing. > > > > How long were you supplementing? Were you feeling better? Did you have a CBC done also? If not, you could be dealing with an infection that's causing the iron issues and supplementing iron is only going to make you worse, as iron feeds the microbes. > > > > ********************************************************************************\ ********************************************** > > > > This is the test that I had done. Then I tried Cytomel and it gave me horrible anxiety which the T3 group claimed was due to my low iron and it was recommended that I take up to 200 mgs a day of iron. > > > > I was on it for about a month, but it constipates me badly, even with up to 10,000 mgs of vitamin C and 1500 mgs of magnesium, so I am not doing it for that reason and the possible toxins. I will try and raise my iron through red meat, etc. > > > > Total Iron Binding Capacity > > 270 Reference 265-497 MCG/DL > > FE++(Iron) 37.0 Reference 37-170 > > %Sat 14.0 No Reference listed > > Ferritin 142 Reference 6.24-264 > > Since it has side effects for you, in addition to the red meat, maybe try some other foods high in iron, I know several people who had good luck with black strap molasses. A good quality product like Dr. Schulze's SuperFood could help your body build it back up also. His products are not inexpensive, but excellent quality. His website is www.herbdoc.com. > > > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > I do see your dilemma and that's the reason I made the correction to start. There is a lot of information on the internet and it can take a lot of time and research to comb through all it. Please do not feel bad, that was not my intent. My intent was to keep people from being confused. > > > > I can't say that taking iodine alone would cure anemia, but taking iodine will help your thyroid. Are you dealing with a doctor or doing everything on your own? I do understand the money issues, this can be an expensive journey. So what all did you order? > > > > > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > Lugol's liquid, Iodal 12.5 to start and the companion vitamins. > > > > I am already on sea salt, but I got more. > > > > So are planning on taking both Lugol's and Iodoral or will you painting with the Lugol's? > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > > > > > And can you tell me everything that you are taking at this point. > > > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > 27.5 mgs HC > > > > 60mgs Westhroid > > > > Celexa > > > > attivan only at night > > > > licorice > > > > Seasalt > > > > coconut oil 3 tlb's daily > > > > Vites d3, e 400,C tons, magnesium, fish oil for omega 3, etc. > > > > One of the good aspects of starting the thyroid is that you may find later down the road that you are able to wean off the antidepressant. Keep an eye out for the licorice causing high blood pressure. If you're having problems with energy, the ATP Cofactors from Optimax has been reported by many to have a definite increase in energy. I had been taking iodine for quite a while before I tried the ATP Cofactors, instead of the other B vitamins I was taking. I was really surprised at how what a difference in energy I felt. Also don't forget the selenium. > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > > > > > I do understand about everything looking like thyroid symptoms and that's what is hard about all this as there are so many things that can cause the same symptoms, same with adrenal issues, many of those symptoms can be directly caused by magnesium deficiency. > > > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > I have very low adrenal tests and very low thyroid test results. > > > > I would continue with whatever protocol you've started for these. > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > > > > > If you've been ill for a long time, it may take a while to remedy, but please don't give up, you'll find your way. One thing to keep in mind is that it's better to know both the pros and cons of items you're supplementing. Iodine, for instance, can cause detox issues. If you don't know that up front, it can cause people to quit taking it when they experience certain symptoms. If you have not done a lot of detoxing in the past, then your road to health is definitely going to need to include addressing that. > > > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > I understand the detox symptoms and am prepared for it. That is why I want to stay on this group. I want the END result. > > > > If you run into problems, just post and ask about them. A couple of really easy and inexpensive ways to help in detoxing the body plus just plain good for you, is Epsom salts baths and rebounding. You just need one of those little trampolines to do the rebounding. I know that everyone says no exercising for adrenal problems but rebounding is very gentle, it's even recommend for cancer patients. It will get the lymph system moving and you will feel tremendously better. You don't have to jump, just gentle bouncing is okay. The trampolines are fairly inexpensive, I've seen them for around $20 sometimes. > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > > > > > You sound like you have your hands full and you definitely need to get yourself well in order to take care of your family. > > > > So send us back the info and I'm sure between all of us we can start to get you back on the road to health. > > > > Linn > > > > ********************************************************************************\ ************************************************* > > Thank you Linn. > > > > Terry > > > > You're very welcome. Hang in there and you'll find your way! > > > > Linn > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 , My ft3/rt3 ratio per my last labs is 25. Well over the magic 20. So that's good. When I first switched from all t3 to 1.5 grans NT and 37.5 t3 I went hyper for a few days. I know you said that you went hypo when adding NT, but from my 25+ years of dealing with thyroid supplements, it is very difficult to distinguish hypo from hyper symptoms, particularly right after a dosage change. Both states cause fatigue, aches and pains, heart palpitations, muscle weakness, hair loss etc. It's one of the reasons why this disease is so frustrating. I have two symptoms that I know are hyper, my knees get weak and I talk to much and too fast. When I am hypo, I just quit eating and my hands burn and tingle. When I make a dosage change, I wait at least two or three weeks before I painc and give up. It takes years sometimes to identify precise symptoms for ourselves, can't go by other's symptoms. As far a symptoms, iodine definitely helped heal my adrenals. The most visual change since starting iodine has been in my skin. Being hypo for a long time can cause some massive skin problems. For example, my shins were a mess - dry, rash, bleeding. Now they are smooth as a baby's butt. A skin tumor on my lower leg I have had for many yrs is now almost non-existent. Also, those brown spots we get from age and the sun are almost gone, my hands look much younger without those spots. However, iodine did not give me increased energy or help with fibro symptoms, not in the least. So, I recently started LDN and my pain levels are way down and my energy is good. This is a process. I have taken many steps, all necessary as far as I am concerned. Maureen > > > > > > Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their > > > adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned > > > by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories > > > too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)? > > > > > > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm > > > also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high > > > Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I > > > I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH > > > adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals > > > recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the > > > NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 hi, Thank you for this tread it has helped me a lot. I hope you don't mind that I jump in... I joined the adrenalfatigue group also because I hate the idea taking HC just because of what it is. I've been reading about taking different herbal alternatives instead but I'm afraid to quit HC. I want to live without cortisol but have to admit maybe that it is what I need right now. What you wrote Maureen, makes a lot of sense, your approach. I have a rt3 ratio of 9 and started HC now 30mg and trying to add on T3 now 40mg. my iron is problem, but I could try black molasses since I cannot get an iron panel where I live, only ferritin and I'm afraid to take too much iron, so maybe something natural like molasses would be better. my adrenals are very tricky. if i'm home peacefully i'm ok. but when i go to work, my body reacts with tension, nervousness, stress even though I like my work. I'm not very confortable around people and get nervous easily, so I always need to stress dose. I ordered Iodoral and I'm trying to figure out if it would be good for my adrenals or not. this Rehmannia sounds interesting, but is it for low cortisol? how did it help you? did you use it during HC? I also has weight problems, I have always been skinny but gained some kilos after kids, but then about 2years ago lost about 8kg in a month with no other changes in my life. Maybe adrenals just had enough at that point. It's been a long path first to find out what caused it and then to figure out how to treat myself. my weight has now settled, bmi about 17. in the summer it was down to below 16. Susa > > > > > > > > Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their > > > > adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned > > > > by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories > > > > too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)? > > > > > > > > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm > > > > also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high > > > > Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I > > > > I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH > > > > adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals > > > > recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the > > > > NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Since you've been having adrenal problems, I would just stay on what you are doing now while adding the iodine. You might try adding in some juicing also, beets are good for iron issues as are carrots, wheatgrass, turnip leaves, spinach leaves, parsley, raspberries and blackberries. Vit C and B vitamins, which are included with the iodine protocol will help with anemia as will Vit E and EPO, (evening primrose oil). You might try adding in undenatured or non-denatured whey, great for detoxing and restoring glutathione. For the stress, nervousness, and tension, make sure you're getting enough magnesium. The iodine protocol only calls for a minimum of 400 mgs, but many of us here take a lot more magnesium than that. Magnesium is like Vit C, you can take it to bowel tolerance. I took 1200-1400 mgs of magnesium for a couple of years before I found I could reduce it. Iodine can be a huge help in restoring deep sleep, which can also help with the stress type symptoms. Linn > > > > > > > > > > Could other people also comment on what they've done to help their > > > > > adrenals? Have a number of people had success with the protocol mentioned > > > > > by (not to doubt your word , but I'd hear other stories > > > > > too in the hope that it's helped a number of people)? > > > > > > > > > > I'm doing much much better now that I'm on HC and cynomel (T3 only) and I'm > > > > > also on iodine and the companion nutrients. I have/had hashis, very high > > > > > Reverse T3 and low cortisol, particularly in the mornings. However, I > > > > > I took DHEA for a little while but stopped because they said on the NTH > > > > > adrenals group that it would further lower my cortisol and once my adrenals > > > > > recovered my DHEA levels would rise again. I've had lot of help from the > > > > > NTH adrenals group, but would like to hear any other suggestions too. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I had supplemented calcium from advice of my OB from the first time I was pregnant. After many years of that, I had thrown my magnesium balance out of whack. I had Spectracell testing done which showed my calcium levels were way above normal. Plus we had an issue locally with our water containing too much fluoride. I had bad muscle tension issues, probably from both the calcium and fluoride. I also developed mitral valve prolapse, a bad eye twitch, severe startle reflex, and a whole host of other issues which I found from researching were magnesium deficiency problems. Since I've been supplementing, all those issues have disappeared. The iodine was key to detoxing the fluoride, along with Vit. C and magnesium. Linn > > Why so much magnesium, Linn..just curious. I take 400 mg. and am > wondering if I should be taking more. > BarbF > > > In a message dated 3/3/2011 4:26:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mwm1glm@... writes: > > I took 1200-1400 mgs of magnesium for a couple of years before I found I > could reduce it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 , I was on HC for 2 mths before I could tolerate the T3 to rid myself of rt3. I took 5mg of HC at 8am, 12pm, 4pm and 8pm. After 2mths, I started t3 only, 75mcg. I also was concerned about taking HC but it was the only way I could do the t3. I also stress dosed like you. I never had to look at the clock to take my next dose of HC, I could feel it wear off. Once the rt3 was gone, I started Idoral slowly, very slowly. After getting to 50mg of Idoral, I noticed I was forgetting to take my HC at the scheduled time and I no longer had to stress dose. I truly believe the idoral is healing my adrenals. I am down to 5mg at 8am and 2.5 mg at noon. I won't be taking the HC much longer. When I started HC I thought I would never be able to get off, but now I see I can. Iodine, in my opinion, is very good for the adrenals. I didn't start the rehmannia until I got to my present dose of HC. The article link I listed mentioned that rehmannia keeps cortisol in the body longer, so it seems to me it would help with low cortisol, but I don't think this would have been benficial without first taking the HC, getting rid of the rt3 and taking iodine to heal the adrenals. You need an iron panel before you take any iron supplements. My ferritin was fine and my iron is even a little high so low iron is not always the cause of rt3. My daughter has low ferritin and high iron and she has very high rt3. Hi, > Thank you for this tread > it has helped me a lot. > I hope you don't mind that I jump in... > > I joined the adrenalfatigue group also because I hate the idea taking HC just because of what it is. I've been reading about taking different herbal alternatives instead but I'm afraid to quit HC. I want to live without cortisol but have to admit maybe that it is what I need right now. > What you wrote Maureen, makes a lot of sense, your approach. > I have a rt3 ratio of 9 and started HC now 30mg and trying to add on T3 now 40mg. my iron is problem, but I could try black molasses since I cannot get an iron panel where I live, only ferritin and I'm afraid to take too much iron, so maybe something natural like molasses would be better. > my adrenals are very tricky. if i'm home peacefully i'm ok. but when i go to work, my body reacts with tension, nervousness, stress even though I like my work. I'm not very confortable around people and get nervous easily, so I always need to stress dose. > > I ordered Iodoral and I'm trying to figure out if it would be good for my adrenals or not. this Rehmannia sounds interesting, but is it for low cortisol? how did it help you? did you use it during HC? > > I also has weight problems, I have always been skinny but gained some kilos after kids, but then about 2years ago lost about 8kg in a month with no other changes in my life. Maybe adrenals just had enough at that point. It's been a long path first to find out what caused it and then to figure out how to treat myself. my weight has now settled, bmi about 17. in the summer it was down to below 16. > > Susa > > > > > > , > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 hi, this makes perfect sense, I think I'm going to follow your route. I hope Iodoral works the same way with me, I see you pointed out that it has to be done very gradually. I'm only at 40mcg of T3 now, and I'm afraid to raise, since I don't know my iron status. Ferritin is low but in Finland no panel exists. TIBC and UIBC have been abandoned because they don't give enough information. One lab I contacted, they recommended saturation and serum iron and serum transferrin. I really don't understand these things, but for now, I take limited iron, 40mg in Vitamin Code Raw Iron and take black molasses, lots of greens, some red meat and always remember to take vitamin C with it. also quit dairy altogether to help absorbtion. I'm slowly preparing for Iodoral, what can be said about the need of all the companion nutrients? most of them I use already but what about ATP Cofactors, who would you say needs it? Susa > > > > > > , > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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