Re: How do Hypers do it???

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Iodine cures both hyper and hypo. Serotonin deficiency manifests in

various ways, depending on the rest of the person's makeup-- genetic,

environmental, etc. Iodine deficiency is apparently the same

thing. Depending on conditions, how the body goes out of whack is variable.

So I don't have the scientific answer to your question, but since I've seen

firsthand the variety of ways that people get sick from serotonin

deficiency, it's been a simple thing to understand how that is true for

other deficiencies.

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At 12:59 PM 2/26/2011, you wrote:

>Hypo is caused by inadequate intake of iodine, combined with excessive

>exposure to othe halides, which block absorbtion of what iodine is

>ingested, right? (Forget about perchlorate, or othe things that might

>damage thyroid, for this discussion).

>Those who are Hyper must be exposed to these same halides, they are

>everywhere, right? And probably similar diet. But, even if they are eating

>shrimp and lobster every day, and consciously (or not) avoiding eating

>goiterogens, still left with " How are they getting enough iodine to their

>Thyroids, to not only make adequate levels of thyroid hormone, but to make

>excessive levels? "

>O.k, so there is either something wrong with the HPA axis, resulting in

>too mush TSH, or something wrong with the thyroid itself, resulting in

>overproduction.Thats irrelevent, unless enough iodine can get into the

>thyroid, right?Seems to me the most logical explanation is their bodies

>have evolved, so that their receptors are able to distinguish between

>Iodine and the other halides; their thyroid iodine receptors don't allow

>other halides in, so they don't block receptors.Thoughts?????Jim

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Thanks , Your right, you didn't anwer my question, but I appreciate your

responding.One of the T2 substrates, can't remember if its 3,3 diodo, or 3,5

diodo, operates in the " White Fat cell mitochondria.The other in Yellow fat and

liver.Yellow fat is body fat, white fat is what the brain is composed of, or at

leats that porton thats not nerves.When I read that, I figure that explains low

serrotonin, which explains Brain fog and depression.Cause serrotonin is made in

the brain.Also, I know they SAY Hypo has a genetic component, but I'm

sceptical.One would have to find a baby, with the believed genetic component,

raise them on an diet with appropriate levels of iodine, and in an environment

shielding them from any of the other halides, etc.Then, if they STILL developed

Hypo, you could say " its genetic " .To me genetic is like 'auto immune'; and even

a (generalised) 'diet and excercise lifestyle'explanation.Its not that I don't

see how SOME disease processes could be caused or exacerbated by lifestyle.Its

just that its awful easy for Dr.'s to explain away something they can't 'cure'

by using these excuses. Its like how for mANY years, ulcers were caused by

stress.Had numerous respected studies which confirmed it.Course, saying its

stress relieves the med. profession for admitting that at that same time, they

had little in the way of effective treatments.Then, in the 80's, this Dr comes

back from Africa, and says " OMG! Its not stress, its H.Pylori! We can cure it

with AB's! " Initially he was dismissed, and even rebuked.Until it turned out he

was right.Anyway, still wondering How it is that Hyper's can get enough iodine

into their Thyroids to not only not become hypo, but to become hyper.Jim

> >Hypo is caused by inadequate intake of iodine, combined with excessive

> >exposure to othe halides, which block absorbtion of what iodine is

> >ingested, right? (Forget about perchlorate, or othe things that might

> >damage thyroid, for this discussion).

> >Those who are Hyper must be exposed to these same halides, they are

> >everywhere, right? And probably similar diet. But, even if they are eating

> >shrimp and lobster every day, and consciously (or not) avoiding eating

> >goiterogens, still left with " How are they getting enough iodine to their

> >Thyroids, to not only make adequate levels of thyroid hormone, but to make

> >excessive levels? "

> >O.k, so there is either something wrong with the HPA axis, resulting in

> >too mush TSH, or something wrong with the thyroid itself, resulting in

> >overproduction.Thats irrelevent, unless enough iodine can get into the

> >thyroid, right?Seems to me the most logical explanation is their bodies

> >have evolved, so that their receptors are able to distinguish between

> >Iodine and the other halides; their thyroid iodine receptors don't allow

> >other halides in, so they don't block receptors.Thoughts?????Jim

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Just keeping it simple here Jim.

Since Iodine is what the thyriod needs to work PERIOD, then it would seem to me that whether or not it was producing high or low T's, it would be simply able to produce what it was created to do, by our creator.

If we are created to need iodine in our bodies for many reasons, then I don't see how iodine can cause high thyroid.

I see it as the oil that makes the machine run correctly.

As for genetics, well those have been proven by science that genetics can produce weaker genes. So if you have it, maybe others in your family did too, but of course every genetic relationship does not have to be.

Lifestyle, diet, stress, all affects. You are right.

Science has just proven that some issues run more in families.

Sorry group. I know I am new here, but not new to thyroid and I am in Val's groups etc.

Maybe I am not allowed to "talk back" on here, and if so, I appologize.

Jim is a friend from other groups and I just wanted to speak. lol.

Thanks, Terry

*Who's brain is worn out from Fibro,AF,low Thyroid, Cf, and raising nine children (five adopted).*

From: dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...>iodine Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 5:57:50 PMSubject: Re: How do Hypers do it???

Thanks , Your right, you didn't anwer my question, but I appreciate your responding.One of the T2 substrates, can't remember if its 3,3 diodo, or 3,5 diodo, operates in the "White Fat cell mitochondria.The other in Yellow fat and liver.Yellow fat is body fat, white fat is what the brain is composed of, or at leats that porton thats not nerves.When I read that, I figure that explains low serrotonin, which explains Brain fog and depression.Cause serrotonin is made in the brain.Also, I know they SAY Hypo has a genetic component, but I'm sceptical.One would have to find a baby, with the believed genetic component, raise them on an diet with appropriate levels of iodine, and in an environment shielding them from any of the other halides, etc.Then, if they STILL developed Hypo, you could say "its genetic".To me genetic is like 'auto immune'; and even a (generalised) 'diet and excercise lifestyle'explanation.Its not that I don't see how SOME disease

processes could be caused or exacerbated by lifestyle.Its just that its awful easy for Dr.'s to explain away something they can't 'cure' by using these excuses. Its like how for mANY years, ulcers were caused by stress.Had numerous respected studies which confirmed it.Course, saying its stress relieves the med. profession for admitting that at that same time, they had little in the way of effective treatments.Then, in the 80's, this Dr comes back from Africa, and says "OMG! Its not stress, its H.Pylori! We can cure it with AB's!" Initially he was dismissed, and even rebuked.Until it turned out he was right.Anyway, still wondering How it is that Hyper's can get enough iodine into their Thyroids to not only not become hypo, but to become hyper.Jim> >Hypo is caused by inadequate intake of iodine, combined with excessive > >exposure to othe halides, which block absorbtion of what iodine is > >ingested, right? (Forget about perchlorate, or othe things that might > >damage thyroid, for

this discussion).> >Those who are Hyper must be exposed to these same halides, they are > >everywhere, right? And probably similar diet. But, even if they are eating > >shrimp and lobster every day, and consciously (or not) avoiding eating > >goiterogens, still left with "How are they getting enough iodine to their > >Thyroids, to not only make adequate levels of thyroid hormone, but to make > >excessive levels?"> >O.k, so there is either something wrong with the HPA axis, resulting in > >too mush TSH, or something wrong with the thyroid itself, resulting in > >overproduction.Thats irrelevent, unless enough iodine can get into the > >thyroid, right?Seems to me the most logical explanation is their bodies > >have evolved, so that their receptors are able to distinguish between > >Iodine and the other halides; their thyroid iodine

receptors don't allow > >other halides in, so they don't block receptors.Thoughts?????Jim> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >group IodineOT/> >> >> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Functional medicine believes that 80% of our genes being triggered (positively or negatively) by our environment. This includes toxins we are exposed to as well as the foods / nutrition we take into our body.

Re: How do Hypers do it???

Thanks , Your right, you didn't anwer my question, but I appreciate your responding.One of the T2 substrates, can't remember if its 3,3 diodo, or 3,5 diodo, operates in the "White Fat cell mitochondria.The other in Yellow fat and liver.Yellow fat is body fat, white fat is what the brain is composed of, or at leats that porton thats not nerves.When I read that, I figure that explains low serrotonin, which explains Brain fog and depression.Cause serrotonin is made in the brain.Also, I know they SAY Hypo has a genetic component, but I'm sceptical.One would have to find a baby, with the believed genetic component, raise them on an diet with appropriate levels of iodine, and in an environment shielding them from any of the other halides, etc.Then, if they STILL developed Hypo, you could say "its genetic".To me genetic is like 'auto immune'; and even a (generalised) 'diet and excercise lifestyle'explanation.Its not that I don't see how SOME disease processes could be caused or exacerbated by lifestyle.Its just that its awful easy for Dr.'s to explain away something they can't 'cure' by using these excuses. Its like how for mANY years, ulcers were caused by stress.Had numerous respected studies which confirmed it.Course, saying its stress relieves the med. profession for admitting that at that same time, they had little in the way of effective treatments.Then, in the 80's, this Dr comes back from Africa, and says "OMG! Its not stress, its H.Pylori! We can cure it with AB's!" Initially he was dismissed, and even rebuked.Until it turned out he was right.Anyway, still wondering How it is that Hyper's can get enough iodine into their Thyroids to not only not become hypo, but to become hyper.Jim> >Hypo is caused by inadequate intake of iodine, combined with excessive > >exposure to othe halides, which block absorbtion of what iodine is > >ingested, right? (Forget about perchlorate, or othe things that might > >damage thyroid, for this discussion).> >Those who are Hyper must be exposed to these same halides, they are > >everywhere, right? And probably similar diet. But, even if they are eating > >shrimp and lobster every day, and consciously (or not) avoiding eating > >goiterogens, still left with "How are they getting enough iodine to their > >Thyroids, to not only make adequate levels of thyroid hormone, but to make > >excessive levels?"> >O.k, so there is either something wrong with the HPA axis, resulting in > >too mush TSH, or something wrong with the thyroid itself, resulting in > >overproduction.Thats irrelevent, unless enough iodine can get into the > >thyroid, right?Seems to me the most logical explanation is their bodies > >have evolved, so that their receptors are able to distinguish between > >Iodine and the other halides; their thyroid iodine receptors don't allow > >other halides in, so they don't block receptors.Thoughts?????Jim> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >group IodineOT/> >> >> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Wow, adopting 5. I used to be a social worker. I have to commend you, no matter if they are related or not. I worked in Children's Services and it was my favorite part of my job. I loved it when I found an adoptive family that the child looked more like than his own parents. And it happened OFTEN!

Will keep you in my prayers! You need it!

Again, bless you! Those kids are really lucky!

Glowing,

grace~

As Ghandi taught, the secret to life is to struggle against oppression and to fight for what is needed, but not to be attached to any particular outcome. Therein lies the secret of peace within the chaos."For every failure there's another course of action. When you hit a roadblock, take a detour." - Kay Ash