Re: Iodine - for me and the dog!

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

I take over 100mg Lugol's daily and have had the gunk build up during sleeping.

I had my tonsils out and muscle testing showed that my lyme just resides on the

scar. I have thought that is what the gunk is from.

I have parasites in my gums and neurofeedback has made them act up with the last

full moon. I had to up my Lugol's dosage to 160mg per day but I also started

eating tablespoons full of raw honey, for the potassium, and drinking coconut

water, also for the potassium. I use magnesium sublingually many times during

the day. Things are starting to calm down and I don't have as much gunk in my

throat.

Everyone's bodies are different but that is what is working for me. I have a

theory that the potassium, from a food source, not synthetic, will suck the

water out of unwanted beasts. It is actually not my theory but Dr. Jarvis'.

My fungal toenails have cleared up while taking iodine and eating tons of raw

honey.

Joan

> I haven't taken it since although I experienced improvement in a chronic

congestion/accumulation of gunk in my throat while taking the Lugol's (I didn't

notice this improvement while taking Iodoral although I was taking more Iodoral

than Lugol's).

>

> I started taking Lugol's again when I got the new bottle on Tuesday. Only two

drops per day for now. I'm going slowly and NOT adding anything else new until

I've reached whatever dose I decide to build to. If side effects like those I

had before develop, I will try to decrease and see if they resolve. I need it

to work. The gunk in my throat is worse than ever and I'm pretty sure it's

fungal (although when I've been prescribed diflucan for yeast infections it

hasn't touched whatever's in my throat).

>

> Has anybody ever had the experience of side effects with one form of iodine

but not the other? Any advice for me as to how to avoid experiencing them this

time? Yes, I took all the companion supplements each time I've taken either

Iodoral or Lugol's in the past and will be taking them this time, too.

>

> Pamela

>

[Guest guest]

Joan, How much raw honey are you taking ?

Did you read Dr Jarvis' book ? If so which one ?

Do you use apple cider vinegar with the honey ? What do you take the honey with

?

I got my blood sugar tested and I'm normal... even when I'm consuming 3 or 4 Tbs

of raw and buckwheat honey... both are organic. The buckwheat honey is filtered

and mildly heated. I have been thinking of cutting back on the honey.. it seems

like a lot.

What was Dr Jarvis' view on the use of Lugol's ?

Best wished for good health,

>

>

>

> Pamela,

>

> I take over 100mg Lugol's daily and have had the gunk build up during

sleeping. I had my tonsils out and muscle testing showed that my lyme just

resides on the scar. I have thought that is what the gunk is from.

>

> I have parasites in my gums and neurofeedback has made them act up with the

last full moon. I had to up my Lugol's dosage to 160mg per day but I also

started eating tablespoons full of raw honey, for the potassium, and drinking

coconut water, also for the potassium. I use magnesium sublingually many times

during the day. Things are starting to calm down and I don't have as much gunk

in my throat.

>

> Everyone's bodies are different but that is what is working for me. I have a

theory that the potassium, from a food source, not synthetic, will suck the

water out of unwanted beasts. It is actually not my theory but Dr. Jarvis'.

My fungal toenails have cleared up while taking iodine and eating tons of raw

honey.

>

> Joan

>

> > I haven't taken it since although I experienced improvement in a chronic

congestion/accumulation of gunk in my throat while taking the Lugol's (I didn't

notice this improvement while taking Iodoral although I was taking more Iodoral

than Lugol's).

> >

> > I started taking Lugol's again when I got the new bottle on Tuesday. Only

two drops per day for now. I'm going slowly and NOT adding anything else new

until I've reached whatever dose I decide to build to. If side effects like

those I had before develop, I will try to decrease and see if they resolve. I

need it to work. The gunk in my throat is worse than ever and I'm pretty sure

it's fungal (although when I've been prescribed diflucan for yeast infections it

hasn't touched whatever's in my throat).

> >

> > Has anybody ever had the experience of side effects with one form of iodine

but not the other? Any advice for me as to how to avoid experiencing them this

time? Yes, I took all the companion supplements each time I've taken either

Iodoral or Lugol's in the past and will be taking them this time, too.

> >

> > Pamela

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Update on me...

I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed recently can be attributed to a

horrible sinus infection that I was diagnosed with two weeks ago. Absolutely

the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I've had three natural childbirths!

I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy, unfortunately, and am now on my

second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold on top of the sinus infection.

Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of Oregano, Oil pulling,

Vit. C...all are working to provide minor relief but it's relief. It's been a

pretty miserable two+ weeks.

I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and have noticed none of the

unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when I was taking it. 4 drops is

only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to go. I'll add a drop every two or

three days until I'm up to at least 25 mg if things continue to proceed without

incident.

I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several times a day and is

coating the tumors with it every day. She is going to order Iodoral so we are

able to gauge more accurately how much iodine the dog is getting. So far we are

seeing no difference in the tumors. I have no idea if this is something that we

should see soon after starting it or if it's one of those things that takes

months to notice. Does anybody know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of

iodine? If so, how long did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

Pamela

[Guest guest]

The Mayo clinic in 95 or 97 did a study that said that 95% of all sinus infections are fungal. So avoiding sugar and grains would help fight it. I had 8-9 antibiotics for sinus infection including specialists and MRI and nothing made much difference though it was all about the incredible sinus pressure that you describe that really got me to do anything to relieve it. Did chiropractor adjustments for relief for over a year. Diet and antifungals finally did it in. Onions, purple food, vitamins and minerals, garlic, etc are all antifungal. Good luck with this. Haven't had anything since then in 4 years and think that is from coconut oil helping my immune system and being off packaged food making GI tract so much healthier. Pam

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Pamela <prov31mom23@...> wrote:

 

Update on me...

I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed recently can be attributed to a horrible sinus infection that I was diagnosed with two weeks ago. Absolutely the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I've had three natural childbirths!

I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy, unfortunately, and am now on my second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold on top of the sinus infection. Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of Oregano, Oil pulling, Vit. C...all are working to provide minor relief but it's relief. It's been a pretty miserable two+ weeks.

I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and have noticed none of the unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when I was taking it. 4 drops is only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to go. I'll add a drop every two or three days until I'm up to at least 25 mg if things continue to proceed without incident.

I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several times a day and is coating the tumors with it every day. She is going to order Iodoral so we are able to gauge more accurately how much iodine the dog is getting. So far we are seeing no difference in the tumors. I have no idea if this is something that we should see soon after starting it or if it's one of those things that takes months to notice. Does anybody know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of iodine? If so, how long did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

Pamela

[Guest guest]

Update on me...

I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed recently can be attributed to a

horrible sinus infection that I was diagnosed with two weeks ago. Absolutely

the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I've had three natural childbirths!

I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy, unfortunately, and am now on my

second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold on top of the sinus infection.

Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of Oregano, Oil pulling,

Vit. C...all are working to provide minor relief but it's relief. It's been a

pretty miserable two+ weeks.

I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and have noticed none of the

unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when I was taking it. 4 drops is

only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to go. I'll add a drop every two or

three days until I'm up to at least 25 mg if things continue to proceed without

incident.

I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several times a day and is

coating the tumors with it every day. She is going to order Iodoral so we are

able to gauge more accurately how much iodine the dog is getting. So far we are

seeing no difference in the tumors. I have no idea if this is something that we

should see soon after starting it or if it's one of those things that takes

months to notice. Does anybody know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of

iodine? If so, how long did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

Pamela

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

I want to offer a suggestion on the sinus infection, but first I'd like to

make a correction about the term " side effects " that you used. Iodine

doesn't have side effects. The symptoms you are experiencing are the signs

that bromides are being evacuated from your body, and they are called

detoxification (or, " detox " ) symptoms. When the iodine mobilizes the

bromides (kicks them off the cell receptors), the bromides are then moving

freely within the body (until they are washed out in the urine). Those

detox symptoms (that you called side effects) are from the bromides loose

in your body.

It's important to be clear about this distinction because the language we

use affects how we think. It's important to remember the cause of those

detox symptoms. Otherwise iodine gets a bad rap which leads to people not

getting iodine in their diets and we all know where that leads: Dis-Ease.

I have a long history of sinus infections. It turns out that the sinuses

are physically a problem because their drainage tubes actually travel

uphill to drain them. And, the tubes are too small for the job. So the

combination of tubes too tiny to carry the mucus, and the mucus has to

travel uphill to get out of the sinus, plus the fact that there is little

blood flow to the sinus, which means it's hard for the antibiotic to get

inside there, makes sinus infections all too common, and difficult to

address.

I was told about the nutritional supplement called NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)

about 11 years ago, and I've never had the same kinds of sinus trouble

since. I take NAC every day, 1800 to 2400 mg per day. What it does is

break the chemical bond of the mucus, which thins it. If the mucus in your

sinuses is thinner, it will travel through the drainage tubes more

easily. It has meant that I've been mostly free of any trouble for 11 years.

My mother has COPD and NAC has been clinically shown to improve stamina in

COPD patients by 25%. It thins the mucus in the lungs so that more oxygen

reaches the body. I finally got her to start taking it, and she's been

more active since, and has been talking about how much better she

feels. She is hesitant to credit the NAC, but I am not. It's the only

thing that changed.

I also find that I have been much freer of excess mucus since the iodine

protocol. What a blessing!

My mother's father died of emphysema so I'm quite conscious that lung

weakness and excess mucus run in the family. Of course I don't smoke

cigarettes so that is a major factor in my favor, and my wind capacity

tests out at very much higher than expected for my age group. But I feel

very good about doing things that keep my lungs functioning at top levels,

and NAC, Quercitin/Bromelain, and the iodine protocol are the primary tools.

--

At 11:33 PM 3/6/2011, you wrote:

>Update on me...

>

>I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed recently can be attributed

>to a horrible sinus infection that I was diagnosed with two weeks

>ago. Absolutely the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I've had three

>natural childbirths!

>

>I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy, unfortunately, and am now on

>my second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold on top of the sinus

>infection. Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of

>Oregano, Oil pulling, Vit. C...all are working to provide minor relief but

>it's relief. It's been a pretty miserable two+ weeks.

>

>I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and have noticed none of the

>unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when I was taking it. 4 drops

>is only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to go. I'll add a drop

>every two or three days until I'm up to at least 25 mg if things continue

>to proceed without incident.

>

>I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several times a day and

>is coating the tumors with it every day. She is going to order Iodoral so

>we are able to gauge more accurately how much iodine the dog is

>getting. So far we are seeing no difference in the tumors. I have no

>idea if this is something that we should see soon after starting it or if

>it's one of those things that takes months to notice. Does anybody

>know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of iodine? If so, how long

>did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

>

>Pamela

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms? Personally, I think that's

terrible! If I do experience those symptoms at a higher dose and back off to

where I don't experience them, will I still have the benefit of the detox, only

at a slower rate? Why would I experience it with a lower dose of one form of

iodine (Lugol's) but not at a higher dose of the other form (Iodoral)?

I've run into the suggestion to take NAC several times recently, including by a

long-time online friend whose opinion I value highly (hi, Loretta!) I was going

to wait until I was finished with the pain meds and use it to help detox my

liver but the more I read about it, the more it seems it should be part of my

current treatment. I cannot afford the bottle my health food store carries (we

have only one, quite small health food store). Most of the products in her

store are comparatively overpriced - I realize that is partly a consequence of

size, overhead and volume of sales. I support her whenever I can but sometimes

have to seek out a better price. Is there anyplace online where it is

reasonably priced?

Oh, wait. A Vitamin Shoppe opened not too far away recently. Does anybody know

if their store brand is a decent brand? Or do they carry other brands that are

better? Again, I prefer supporting local businesses (I know it's a chain, but

it employs local residents and contributes to the local tax base). If I knew

which brands they carry are reliable brands, I'd be happy to shop there.

Update on Seneca... (my eldest daughter) has been applying the Lugol's

to her tumor daily for the last week or so. Today she left the house early and

forgot so I did it. The ulceration on Senecas's tumor is gone - just a small

open spot where a bulging, oozing mass had been. I also think the primary tumor

is a little smaller. Even if it isn't, it looks healthier - the skin looks more

like the skin on the rest of her abdomen. I might be imagining the decrease in

tumor size and improvement in appearance, but I know the disappearance of the

ulceration is real. Would that be the iodine, or could that resolve on its own?

Does anybody know? I want to attribute the iodine, but I don't know enough

about the nature of ulcerations to know.

Pamela

> >Update on me...

> >

> >I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed recently can be attributed

> >to a horrible sinus infection that I was diagnosed with two weeks

> >ago. Absolutely the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I've had three

> >natural childbirths!

> >

> >I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy, unfortunately, and am now on

> >my second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold on top of the sinus

> >infection. Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of

> >Oregano, Oil pulling, Vit. C...all are working to provide minor relief but

> >it's relief. It's been a pretty miserable two+ weeks.

> >

> >I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and have noticed none of the

> >unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when I was taking it. 4 drops

> >is only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to go. I'll add a drop

> >every two or three days until I'm up to at least 25 mg if things continue

> >to proceed without incident.

> >

> >I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several times a day and

> >is coating the tumors with it every day. She is going to order Iodoral so

> >we are able to gauge more accurately how much iodine the dog is

> >getting. So far we are seeing no difference in the tumors. I have no

> >idea if this is something that we should see soon after starting it or if

> >it's one of those things that takes months to notice. Does anybody

> >know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of iodine? If so, how long

> >did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

> >

> >Pamela

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Just one other helpful thought... I used to have much more trouble

with sinuses and really hated the tiredness and time it took to get

better!

I started buying colloidal silver in a nose spray and every time I

felt a bit of sinus pressure I would spray it with the silver. It

is anti-microbial. Also, good for just plain ol' nose colds!

I have not had sinus issues for a long time, partly from changes we

made for my daughter that make us eat much more healthy now! So

thankful....

On 3/7/2011 1:39 AM, Baker wrote:

Pamela,

I want to offer a suggestion on the sinus infection, but

first I'd like to

make a correction about the term "side effects" that you

used. Iodine

doesn't have side effects. The symptoms you are

experiencing are the signs

that bromides are being evacuated from your body, and they

are called

detoxification (or, "detox") symptoms. When the iodine

mobilizes the

bromides (kicks them off the cell receptors), the bromides

are then moving

freely within the body (until they are washed out in the

urine). Those

detox symptoms (that you called side effects) are from the

bromides loose

in your body.

It's important to be clear about this distinction because

the language we

use affects how we think. It's important to remember the

cause of those

detox symptoms. Otherwise iodine gets a bad rap which

leads to people not

getting iodine in their diets and we all know where that

leads: Dis-Ease.

I have a long history of sinus infections. It turns out

that the sinuses

are physically a problem because their drainage tubes

actually travel

uphill to drain them. And, the tubes are too small for the

job. So the

combination of tubes too tiny to carry the mucus, and the

mucus has to

travel uphill to get out of the sinus, plus the fact that

there is little

blood flow to the sinus, which means it's hard for the

antibiotic to get

inside there, makes sinus infections all too common, and

difficult to

address.

I was told about the nutritional supplement called NAC

(N-Acetyl-Cysteine)

about 11 years ago, and I've never had the same kinds of

sinus trouble

since. I take NAC every day, 1800 to 2400 mg per day. What

it does is

break the chemical bond of the mucus, which thins it. If

the mucus in your

sinuses is thinner, it will travel through the drainage

tubes more

easily. It has meant that I've been mostly free of any

trouble for 11 years.

My mother has COPD and NAC has been clinically shown to

improve stamina in

COPD patients by 25%. It thins the mucus in the lungs so

that more oxygen

reaches the body. I finally got her to start taking it,

and she's been

more active since, and has been talking about how much

better she

feels. She is hesitant to credit the NAC, but I am not.

It's the only

thing that changed.

I also find that I have been much freer of excess mucus

since the iodine

protocol. What a blessing!

My mother's father died of emphysema so I'm quite

conscious that lung

weakness and excess mucus run in the family. Of course I

don't smoke

cigarettes so that is a major factor in my favor, and my

wind capacity

tests out at very much higher than expected for my age

group. But I feel

very good about doing things that keep my lungs

functioning at top levels,

and NAC, Quercitin/Bromelain, and the iodine protocol are

the primary tools.

--

At 11:33 PM 3/6/2011, you wrote:

>Update on me...

>

>I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed

recently can be attributed

>to a horrible sinus infection that I was diagnosed

with two weeks

>ago. Absolutely the worst pain I've ever experienced,

and I've had three

>natural childbirths!

>

>I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy,

unfortunately, and am now on

>my second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold on

top of the sinus

>infection. Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive Leaf

Extract, Oil of

>Oregano, Oil pulling, Vit. C...all are working to

provide minor relief but

>it's relief. It's been a pretty miserable two+ weeks.

>

>I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and have

noticed none of the

>unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when I was

taking it. 4 drops

>is only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to go.

I'll add a drop

>every two or three days until I'm up to at least 25 mg

if things continue

>to proceed without incident.

>

>I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several times a

day and

>is coating the tumors with it every day. She is going

to order Iodoral so

>we are able to gauge more accurately how much iodine

the dog is

>getting. So far we are seeing no difference in the

tumors. I have no

>idea if this is something that we should see soon

after starting it or if

>it's one of those things that takes months to notice.

Does anybody

>know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of iodine?

If so, how long

>did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

>

>Pamela

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Do you read up on Adrenals??? There are some supplements that

hugely impact adrenals if they are fatigued which the affects the

thyroid function as well. I know on the NTHadrenals group they were

discussing air hunger. My mom was starting to have panic attacks

and in looking back her potassium was very low, her stress levels

were off the chart (causes adrenal fatigue), and I was afraid that i

was going to lose her to a heart attack!!!! She has to keep a close

eye on potassium which needs to be in balance with sodium, but was

much better quickly.

I am sure others know more than I, but those are some thoughts I

have from reading...

On 3/7/2011 8:47 AM, Pamela wrote:

So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

Personally, I think that's terrible! If I do experience

those symptoms at a higher dose and back off to where I

don't experience them, will I still have the benefit of

the detox, only at a slower rate? Why would I experience

it with a lower dose of one form of iodine (Lugol's) but

not at a higher dose of the other form (Iodoral)?

I've run into the suggestion to take NAC several times

recently, including by a long-time online friend whose

opinion I value highly (hi, Loretta!) I was going to wait

until I was finished with the pain meds and use it to help

detox my liver but the more I read about it, the more it

seems it should be part of my current treatment. I cannot

afford the bottle my health food store carries (we have

only one, quite small health food store). Most of the

products in her store are comparatively overpriced - I

realize that is partly a consequence of size, overhead and

volume of sales. I support her whenever I can but

sometimes have to seek out a better price. Is there

anyplace online where it is reasonably priced?

Oh, wait. A Vitamin Shoppe opened not too far away

recently. Does anybody know if their store brand is a

decent brand? Or do they carry other brands that are

better? Again, I prefer supporting local businesses (I

know it's a chain, but it employs local residents and

contributes to the local tax base). If I knew which brands

they carry are reliable brands, I'd be happy to shop

there.

Update on Seneca... (my eldest daughter) has been

applying the Lugol's to her tumor daily for the last week

or so. Today she left the house early and forgot so I did

it. The ulceration on Senecas's tumor is gone - just a

small open spot where a bulging, oozing mass had been. I

also think the primary tumor is a little smaller. Even if

it isn't, it looks healthier - the skin looks more like

the skin on the rest of her abdomen. I might be imagining

the decrease in tumor size and improvement in appearance,

but I know the disappearance of the ulceration is real.

Would that be the iodine, or could that resolve on its

own? Does anybody know? I want to attribute the iodine,

but I don't know enough about the nature of ulcerations to

know.

Pamela

> >Update on me...

> >

> >I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed

recently can be attributed

> >to a horrible sinus infection that I was

diagnosed with two weeks

> >ago. Absolutely the worst pain I've ever

experienced, and I've had three

> >natural childbirths!

> >

> >I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy,

unfortunately, and am now on

> >my second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold

on top of the sinus

> >infection. Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive

Leaf Extract, Oil of

> >Oregano, Oil pulling, Vit. C...all are working to

provide minor relief but

> >it's relief. It's been a pretty miserable two+

weeks.

> >

> >I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and

have noticed none of the

> >unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when

I was taking it. 4 drops

> >is only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to

go. I'll add a drop

> >every two or three days until I'm up to at least

25 mg if things continue

> >to proceed without incident.

> >

> >I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several

times a day and

> >is coating the tumors with it every day. She is

going to order Iodoral so

> >we are able to gauge more accurately how much

iodine the dog is

> >getting. So far we are seeing no difference in

the tumors. I have no

> >idea if this is something that we should see soon

after starting it or if

> >it's one of those things that takes months to

notice. Does anybody

> >know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of

iodine? If so, how long

> >did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

> >

> >Pamela

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Saliva test was done a year ago. No more recent tests.

Results were:

Cortisol Morning 11.7 H (3.7-9.5)

Cortisol Noon 2.1 (1.2-3.0)

Cortisol Evening 2.3 H (0.6-1.9)

Cortisol Night 0.3 L (.4-1.0)

The responses I received when I posted my results generally followed this line

of thought: " Cortisol is on the high side morn, noon, eve, and a little lowish

at night. IMO it isn't so high that I would mess with it unless you are having

uncomfortable symptoms "

These labs were done shortly before I started using Lugol's last year.

I am not taking ALL of the supplements at the moment, but when I was having my

problems with Lugol's, I was. So far, I'm not having any problems this time -

yet. I'm only at 10 mg/day at this point.

Pamela

>

> RE: So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

>

> I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal type of

situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents. Iodine does

increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the sinus cavity,

misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets affected as does

breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is certainly a cause for the

body to send out an alert.

>

> So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides, killing off

unwanted organisms, etc... a person can experience some pretty strange things

during detox.

>

> However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these symptoms

during the night which prompted me to wonder about your adrenal function. Do

you know what your adrenal status is?

>

> Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the New Member

Document located in the Files?

[Guest guest]

The companion nutrients are always needed not just when you are experiencing problems.  The only " optional " component is the EXTRA salt loading.  But Vit C, Selenium, Magnesium, and 1/2 - 1 tsp sea salt (am I missing anything?) are daily companion nutrients always when on iodine, regardless of iodine dose.

 

Jaxi

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Pamela <prov31mom23@...> wrote:

Saliva test was done a year ago.  No more recent tests.Results were:Cortisol Morning 11.7 H (3.7-9.5)

Cortisol Noon 2.1 (1.2-3.0)Cortisol Evening 2.3 H (0.6-1.9)Cortisol Night 0.3 L (.4-1.0)The responses I received when I posted my results generally followed this line of thought:   " Cortisol is on the high side morn, noon, eve, and a little lowish at night. IMO it isn't so high that I would mess with it unless you are having uncomfortable symptoms "

These labs were done shortly before I started using Lugol's last year.I am not taking ALL of the supplements at the moment, but when I was having my problems with Lugol's, I was.  So far, I'm not having any problems this time - yet.  I'm only at 10 mg/day at this point.

Pamela

>> RE:  So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?>

> I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal type of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents.   Iodine does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the sinus cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.

>> So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides, killing off unwanted organisms, etc...  a person can experience some pretty strange things during detox.>> However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your adrenal function.  Do you know what your adrenal status is?

>> Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the New Member Document located in the Files?

------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group  IodineOT/

Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I know. But you're missing the point. I wasn't asking whether I had to

take them or anything - I was specifically asking about what I called side

effects of Lugol's while somebody else called them detox. I was taking the

supplements and was experiencing those problems. The only one I'm not doing at

the moment is selenium and that would be because I'm out and because I'm just

plain sick.

Just love how people run off on rabbit trails here, failing to address the

primary questions...

Pamela

>

> The companion nutrients are always needed not just when you are experiencing

> problems. The only " optional " component is the EXTRA salt loading. But Vit

> C, Selenium, Magnesium, and 1/2 - 1 tsp sea salt (am I missing anything?)

> are daily companion nutrients always when on iodine, regardless of iodine

> dose.

>

> Jaxi

[Guest guest]

Sorry if I was missing the point.  Detox symptoms vary for everyone.  One of the ways to mitigate them is the compainion nutrients and you said you weren't taking them all.  That was what I was responding to.  Threads get long and I don't always have time to research back to the original posting.  I was responding to the one right before my " response. "

 

From what I have tracked here iodine is needed by everyone, you cannot take too much as you will pee out any extra, there are no " side effects " of iodine.  Detox does not have to be miserable for everyone.  Some people do not experience symptoms until they reach higher doses of iodine.  Some people also do not feel better until they reach higher doses.  There was a suggestion that low doses do not work as well because they are unable to effectively displace the bromide.

 

I am sorry you are sick.  After I had my last mercury fillings replaced I experienced a series of infections.  It has taken nearly a year to detox enough to feel normal again.  Sinus infections were part of that mess, parotid gland infection, even a bartholin gland infection.  My whole lymphatic system was seriously out of whack so I get feeling sick and tired of being sick and tired.  I wish you all the best in beating the crud.

 

Jaxi

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Pamela <prov31mom23@...> wrote:

Yeah, I know.  But you're missing the point.  I wasn't asking whether I had to take them or anything - I was specifically asking about what I called side effects of Lugol's while somebody else called them detox.  I was taking the supplements and was experiencing those problems.  The only one I'm not doing at the moment is selenium and that would be because I'm out and because I'm just plain sick.

Just love how people run off on rabbit trails here, failing to address the primary questions...Pamela

>> The companion nutrients are always needed not just when you are experiencing

> problems.  The only " optional " component is the EXTRA salt loading.  But Vit> C, Selenium, Magnesium, and 1/2 - 1 tsp sea salt (am I missing anything?)> are daily companion nutrients always when on iodine, regardless of iodine

> dose.>> Jaxi

------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group  IodineOT/

Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Thanks for responding ...

Ditto what Jaxi said regarding daily companion nutrients. The list with

recommended dosages can be found in the New Member Document which is located in

the Files.

You said : " I am not taking ALL of the supplements at the moment, but when I

was having my problems with Lugol's, I was. So far, I'm not having any problems

this time - yet. I'm only at 10 mg/day at this point. "

I would not call them " problems " with Lugol's but it really does sound as if you

are having detox symptoms whether they be detoxes of bromides, other heavy

metals or die off of bacteria/virus/fungal. From my perspective this is a

benefit of Lugol's or Iodoral ... but a person has to get over the hump to look

back and say, 'Oh, now I get it!'

If you are having detox then that could very well stress the adrenals which have

the largest concentration of vitamin C in the body and you could now be quite

depleted of Vitamin C. Being sick also rapidly depletes Vitamin C (a water

soluble vitamin that must be replenished daily) and some orthomolecular doctors

refer to a " 100 gm cold " which means that the sicker a person is the higher

their tolerance and need for ascorbic acid or the form of vitamin C that they

are able to tolerate - up to 100 gms before symptoms subside.

As the adrenal test was done before you began Lugol's last year . . . and you

did have some types of detox symptoms last year . . . vitamin C levels could

have been affected way back then too.

If your adrenals are stressed by detox (then and now) and now this crud you have

been dealing with then I would say that shortness of breath and panic attacks

are not out of the question. Large doses Vitamin C and Magnesium can be very

helpful - as will a balanced iodine protocol. Sodium bicarbonate can also help

support respiratory function and help to correct the acid pH that usually

accompanies a cold/virus. Dr. Mark Sircus writes quite a bit about this if you

would like to check that out further.

Consider returning to the full iodine protocol. The supporting nutrients are

not only synergistic but actually required for iodine to conduct itself properly

in the body... and vice versa.

Depending on how you felt before this second round of beginning Lugol's, your

adrenals may not be so fatigued that you need glandulars or hydrocortisone.

Higher doses of Vitamin C, generous doses of B-Complex and the iodine protocol

may be enough.

A note here that at one time Dr. Brownstein said that 5% of the people he

started on the iodine protocol have detox reaction that include frontal sinus

pressure/pain, metallic taste in the mouth, increased salivation . I don't

know what he would say about that today.

It seems that there are a few options when you are one of those people ...

reduce the dose and increase support of the detox pathways, pulse dose and

support detox pathways, or seriously increase the dose after having optimized

detox pathways. It is an individual journey.

> > >

> > > RE: So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

> > >

> > > I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal type

> > of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents. Iodine

> > does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the sinus

> > cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets

> > affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is

> > certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.

> > >

> > > So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides, killing off

> > unwanted organisms, etc... a person can experience some pretty strange

> > things during detox.

> > >

> > > However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these

> > symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your adrenal

> > function. Do you know what your adrenal status is?

> > >

> > > Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the New

> > Member Document located in the Files?

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > IodineOT/

> >

> >

> > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Feb, 2010. Started taking Lugol's along with all companion supplements.

Experienced panic attacks and air hunger, both of which awakened me in the

middle of the night. Stopped taking Lugol's and these disappeared.

Feb, 2011. Started taking Lugol's almost the exact same time I was diagnosed

with a sinus infection (but had had milder symptoms that I attributed to a cold

for a week or so prior to both the diagnosis and the taking of Lugol's). Iodine

arrived 2/24 - my infection was diagnosed 2/23) Have NOT had any of the

problems I previously mentioned so far.

I take 2,000-4,000 mg vitamin C every day (amount depends on whether I remember

to take it at night).

The only supplement I am not taking is selenium - simply because I am out of it.

But the consensus would be that the issues I had last year were most likely

signs of detox? If I'd persisted through them, they would have eventually gone

away? Why did I experience them on a lower dose of Lugol's than I had taken

prior of Iodoral? I don't think I was even taking 25 mg of Lugol's - a few

months prior I had taken up to 50 mg of Iodoral with no problem. I also did not

experience the decrease in the crud in my throat with Iodoral, as I did with

Lugol's. I'm really baffled as to why my experience with the two is so

different since they are essentially the same thing in different forms.

Pamela

> > > >

> > > > RE: So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

> > > >

> > > > I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal type

> > > of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents. Iodine

> > > does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the sinus

> > > cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets

> > > affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is

> > > certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.

> > > >

> > > > So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides, killing

off

> > > unwanted organisms, etc... a person can experience some pretty strange

> > > things during detox.

> > > >

> > > > However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these

> > > symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your adrenal

> > > function. Do you know what your adrenal status is?

> > > >

> > > > Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the New

> > > Member Document located in the Files?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > IodineOT/

> > >

> > >

> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Correction Lugol's arrived on the 22nd but I didn't take any until after my

appointment on the 23rd, when I was diagnosed with the sinus infection.

Pamela

> > > > >

> > > > > RE: So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

> > > > >

> > > > > I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal

type

> > > > of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents.

Iodine

> > > > does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the

sinus

> > > > cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets

> > > > affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is

> > > > certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.

> > > > >

> > > > > So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides, killing

off

> > > > unwanted organisms, etc... a person can experience some pretty strange

> > > > things during detox.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these

> > > > symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your adrenal

> > > > function. Do you know what your adrenal status is?

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the New

> > > > Member Document located in the Files?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > > IodineOT/

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

Links

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

The iodine is responsible for the positive changes you are seeing in the

tumors.

I get many of my supplements from www.vitacost.com, and their house brand,

NSI, is very high quality. I can't afford to take supplements that are

overpriced, I have far greater needs than I have income. Plug NAC into the

Vitacost site's search engine and their house brand will come up along with

the other brands they sell.

--

At 10:47 AM 3/7/2011, you wrote:

>So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms? Personally, I think

>that's terrible! If I do experience those symptoms at a higher dose and

>back off to where I don't experience them, will I still have the benefit

>of the detox, only at a slower rate? Why would I experience it with a

>lower dose of one form of iodine (Lugol's) but not at a higher dose of the

>other form (Iodoral)?

>

>I've run into the suggestion to take NAC several times recently, including

>by a long-time online friend whose opinion I value highly (hi,

>Loretta!) I was going to wait until I was finished with the pain meds and

>use it to help detox my liver but the more I read about it, the more it

>seems it should be part of my current treatment. I cannot afford the

>bottle my health food store carries (we have only one, quite small health

>food store). Most of the products in her store are comparatively

>overpriced - I realize that is partly a consequence of size, overhead and

>volume of sales. I support her whenever I can but sometimes have to seek

>out a better price. Is there anyplace online where it is reasonably priced?

>

>Oh, wait. A Vitamin Shoppe opened not too far away recently. Does

>anybody know if their store brand is a decent brand? Or do they carry

>other brands that are better? Again, I prefer supporting local businesses

>(I know it's a chain, but it employs local residents and contributes to

>the local tax base). If I knew which brands they carry are reliable

>brands, I'd be happy to shop there.

>

>Update on Seneca... (my eldest daughter) has been applying the

>Lugol's to her tumor daily for the last week or so. Today she left the

>house early and forgot so I did it. The ulceration on Senecas's tumor is

>gone - just a small open spot where a bulging, oozing mass had been. I

>also think the primary tumor is a little smaller. Even if it isn't, it

>looks healthier - the skin looks more like the skin on the rest of her

>abdomen. I might be imagining the decrease in tumor size and improvement

>in appearance, but I know the disappearance of the ulceration is

>real. Would that be the iodine, or could that resolve on its own? Does

>anybody know? I want to attribute the iodine, but I don't know enough

>about the nature of ulcerations to know.

>

>Pamela

>

>

> > >Update on me...

> > >

> > >I think the increase in gunk that I've noticed recently can be attributed

> > >to a horrible sinus infection that I was diagnosed with two weeks

> > >ago. Absolutely the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I've had three

> > >natural childbirths!

> > >

> > >I've been eating Ibuprofen like it's candy, unfortunately, and am now on

> > >my second antibiotic. I also developed a bad cold on top of the sinus

> > >infection. Neti pot, saline nasal spray, Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of

> > >Oregano, Oil pulling, Vit. C...all are working to provide minor relief

> but

> > >it's relief. It's been a pretty miserable two+ weeks.

> > >

> > >I've built up to 4 drops of Lugol's so far and have noticed none of the

> > >unpleasant side effects I noticed last year when I was taking it. 4

> drops

> > >is only 10 mg, however, so I still have a ways to go. I'll add a drop

> > >every two or three days until I'm up to at least 25 mg if things continue

> > >to proceed without incident.

> > >

> > >I'm putting Lugol's in the dog's water several times a day and

> > >is coating the tumors with it every day. She is going to order

> Iodoral so

> > >we are able to gauge more accurately how much iodine the dog is

> > >getting. So far we are seeing no difference in the tumors. I have no

> > >idea if this is something that we should see soon after starting it or if

> > >it's one of those things that takes months to notice. Does anybody

> > >know? Has anybody had tumors shrink because of iodine? If so, how long

> > >did it take before the shrinkage was noticeable?

> > >

> > >Pamela

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >------------------------------------

> > >

> > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> > >group IodineOT/

> > >

> > >

> > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

A person should not supplement with iodine if they're not able/willing to

take all of the companion supplements.

--

At 12:55 PM 3/7/2011, you wrote:

>Saliva test was done a year ago. No more recent tests.

>

>Results were:

>

>Cortisol Morning 11.7 H (3.7-9.5)

>Cortisol Noon 2.1 (1.2-3.0)

>Cortisol Evening 2.3 H (0.6-1.9)

>Cortisol Night 0.3 L (.4-1.0)

>

>The responses I received when I posted my results generally followed this

>line of thought: " Cortisol is on the high side morn, noon, eve, and a

>little lowish at night. IMO it isn't so high that I would mess with it

>unless you are having uncomfortable symptoms "

>

>These labs were done shortly before I started using Lugol's last year.

>

>I am not taking ALL of the supplements at the moment, but when I was

>having my problems with Lugol's, I was. So far, I'm not having any

>problems this time - yet. I'm only at 10 mg/day at this point.

>

>Pamela

>

>

> >

> > RE: So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

> >

> > I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal type

> of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents. Iodine

> does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the

> sinus cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this

> gets affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is

> certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.

> >

> > So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides, killing

> off unwanted organisms, etc... a person can experience some pretty

> strange things during detox.

> >

> > However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these

> symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your adrenal

> function. Do you know what your adrenal status is?

> >

> > Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the New

> Member Document located in the Files?

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I would wonder but have no way of proving either way ... Iodoral is absorbed after the iodine hits the small intestine - due to the coating.  Liquid lugols would be absorbed all the way along the path - where ever it touches some will likely absorb into the system.  I would speculate that this could cause of the differing amounts of iodine resulting in detox then and now.  Of course it could be something else completely - like different amounts of bromide in your system at different times.  Different levels of general systematic stress which could impact how your body is absorbing and responding to supplementation.  For example you were/are sick when you started this time and the body might have a super high need for the iodine due to being sick so the same amount in some ways isn't the same amount.  Kind of like with Vit C - depending on current state of health will determine how much you need/how much you are depleted.

 

Just throwing out ideas.

 

Jaxi

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pamela <prov31mom23@...> wrote:

Correction  Lugol's arrived on the 22nd but I didn't take any until after my appointment on the 23rd, when I was diagnosed with the sinus infection.

Pamela

> > > > >> > > > > RE:  So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?> > > > >> > > > > I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal type

> > > > of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents.   Iodine> > > > does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the sinus> > > > cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets

> > > > affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is> > > > certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.> > > > >> > > > > So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides, killing off

> > > > unwanted organisms, etc...  a person can experience some pretty strange> > > > things during detox.> > > > >> > > > > However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these

> > > > symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your adrenal> > > > function.  Do you know what your adrenal status is?> > > > >> > > > > Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the New

> > > > Member Document located in the Files?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >  ------------------------------------> > > >> > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > > IodineOT/> > > >> > > >> > > > Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Bear with me, trying to get the timeline:symptoms figured out ... :-) Still

not sure when you took the Iodoral but that isn't the main question on your

mind.

Yes, you are hearing me say that the Feb 2010 symptoms may have been detox (for

the reasons I wrote in previous posts) However I am only one person on this

list and not an iodine doctor to boot.

That you can take Iodoral indicates to me that you are not one of the very, very

rare people who actually has an allergy to iodine. Did I *emphasize* how rare

that is said to be?

I am really glad to hear that you are not having the breathing issues and panic

attacks with your re-newed iodine protocol in 2011, and that the only supplement

you are temporarily missing is selenium. I think it stores in the body some so

a temporary outage definitely isn't a crisis :-)

Perhaps I am being a pest here but while the Vitamin C dosage you are taking

certainly looks adequate the true dosage a person needs is very individual and

also in response to stresses on the body. Current research shows that something

like only 19% of the Vitamin C we take is actually utilized by the body and now

they have the uber-cool and very expensive Liposomal forms which deliver over

90%. But some folks make it at home for much less money. Vitamin C is also

important for iodine cellular transport.

My point here being ... you could very well need much more Vitamin C than you

are taking. Up to bowel tolerance or ???

Your main question: Why the difference in the experience of Lugol's vs Iodoral?

Iodoral is coated and travels further into the intestinal system. Some might

say that Lugol's is more bioavailable. Some folks find Lugol's hard on their

stomachs while others take large doses without concern.

Perhaps, just perhaps - the immediate availability of Lugol's to absorb in the

mouth and GI tract and/or affect the upper parts of the GI tract is the

difference that you experienced?

Even though you were taking 50 mg of Iodoral for a period of time... perhaps it

was not enough time to saturate the body and then effect certain things? (that

just doesn't sound right but I have read about detox happening in " waves " for

some) Perhaps beginning Lugol's in Feb 2010 was coincidental with something

else that was going on in your body at that time?

It seems that there could be many possibilities.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RE: So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do think that this could be the case with viral/bacterial/fungal

type

> > > > > of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2 cents.

Iodine

> > > > > does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in the

sinus

> > > > > cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets

> > > > > affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is

> > > > > certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides,

killing off

> > > > > unwanted organisms, etc... a person can experience some pretty

strange

> > > > > things during detox.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these

> > > > > symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your

adrenal

> > > > > function. Do you know what your adrenal status is?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in the

New

> > > > > Member Document located in the Files?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > > > IodineOT/

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

Links

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think different people respond differently to the two forms, and that the

differences have to do with, as you say Jaxi, time-release vs. immediate

release.

I find for me that Lugol's is constipating, whereas Iodoral isn't, for

example. Others may have the opposite experience.

I know for sure that it's not possible to point to any particular

difference between the two forms of iodine that apply to everyone or most

people.

--

At 03:04 PM 3/7/2011, you wrote:

>I would wonder but have no way of proving either way ... Iodoral is

>absorbed after the iodine hits the small intestine - due to the

>coating. Liquid lugols would be absorbed all the way along the path -

>where ever it touches some will likely absorb into the system. I would

>speculate that this could cause of the differing amounts of iodine

>resulting in detox then and now. Of course it could be something else

>completely - like different amounts of bromide in your system at different

>times. Different levels of general systematic stress which could impact

>how your body is absorbing and responding to supplementation. For example

>you were/are sick when you started this time and the body might have a

>super high need for the iodine due to being sick so the same amount in

>some ways isn't the same amount. Kind of like with Vit C - depending on

>current state of health will determine how much you need/how much you are

>depleted.

>

>Just throwing out ideas.

>

>Jaxi

>

>On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pamela

><<mailto:prov31mom23@...>prov31mom23@...> wrote:

>Correction Lugol's arrived on the 22nd but I didn't take any until after

>my appointment on the 23rd, when I was diagnosed with the sinus infection.

>

>Pamela

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RE: So air hunger and panic attacks are detox symptoms?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do think that this could be the case with

> viral/bacterial/fungal type

> > > > > of situations but I am not a physician so it is only my 2

> cents. Iodine

> > > > > does increase salivary flow and if there are organisms living in

> the sinus

> > > > > cavity, misc. glands, ducts, jawline and lungs then all of this gets

> > > > > affected as does breathing and when there is not enough oxygen it is

> > > > > certainly a cause for the body to send out an alert.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So with iodine ( & salt) stirring up and eliminating bromides,

> killing off

> > > > > unwanted organisms, etc... a person can experience some pretty

> strange

> > > > > things during detox.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, you mentioned in an early post about waking up with these

> > > > > symptoms during the night which prompted me to wonder about your

> adrenal

> > > > > function. Do you know what your adrenal status is?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you taking ALL of the supporting nutrients as outlined in

> the New

> > > > > Member Document located in the Files?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> > > > >

>

<IodineOT/>http://health./g\

roup/IodineOT/

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Commonly asked

> questions: <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

>

[Guest guest]

>

>Just love how people run off on rabbit trails here, failing to address the

>primary questions...

>

I'm going to take this opportunity to remind our members that everyone who

is answering questions on this mailing list is a volunteer who is doing

this because they want to help others. We all have very busy lives just as

you do.

We have been averaging 60 new members a week for more than a year, some

weeks more than double that have joined. We get new people here

constantly, every one anxious to get the help they need. It would be really

nice if people might appreciate the work we do here on the Iodine mailing

list, instead of scolding us for not being perfectly available to one

person. I realize most of us are very ill, but so are the listowner, the

moderators, and the stalwart members who are highly knowledgeable-- so

that's no excuse.

Since I'm already talking, I'd like to also say that if new members would

please read the New Member document, and preferably Dr Brownstein's book

Iodine, a lot more would be abundantly clear to everyone. The internet is

rife with lies about iodine, just as Western medicine is rife with lies

about iodine. It would be helpful if new members would read the materials

approved by this mailing list so that your questions would be grounded in

the facts we've presented instead of the lies about iodine that are keeping

people very very ill.

Thank you everyone for your contributions to this list.

p.s.: The newest version of the New Member document, sent out again 2 days

ago, now has an index at the end, and a live-link Table of

Contents. Please let us know if the document is easier to use now.

with best wishes,

--

moderator, Iodine list

>

> >

> > The companion nutrients are always needed not just when you are

> experiencing

> > problems. The only " optional " component is the EXTRA salt

> loading. But Vit

> > C, Selenium, Magnesium, and 1/2 - 1 tsp sea salt (am I missing anything?)

> > are daily companion nutrients always when on iodine, regardless of iodine

> > dose.

> >

> > Jaxi

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I'm not a new member here, despite everybody thinking I am. And I did not scold

anybody for not being perfectly available. What I commented on was how somebody

answered a question that wasn't asked - or made a comment that in no way

addressed the question that was asked. That is a quite different thing than

criticizing the list for a failure to respond.

Pamela

> > >

> > > The companion nutrients are always needed not just when you are

> > experiencing

> > > problems. The only " optional " component is the EXTRA salt

> > loading. But Vit

> > > C, Selenium, Magnesium, and 1/2 - 1 tsp sea salt (am I missing anything?)

> > > are daily companion nutrients always when on iodine, regardless of iodine

> > > dose.

> > >

> > > Jaxi

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Well I must say when I read what you said about loving how people here just run off on rabbit trails....it struck me as a bit rude; we are all doing the best we can , most of us are not well and are here to help others . I think it best we respect and be kind to one another. Kathleen

Re: Iodine - for me and the dog!

I'm not a new member here, despite everybody thinking I am. And I did not scold anybody for not being perfectly available. What I commented on was how somebody answered a question that wasn't asked - or made a comment that in no way addressed the question that was asked. That is a quite different thing than criticizing the list for a failure to respond.Pamela> > >> > > The companion nutrients are always needed not just when you are > > experiencing> > > problems. The only "optional" component is the EXTRA salt > > loading. But Vit> > > C, Selenium, Magnesium, and 1/2 - 1 tsp sea salt (am I missing anything?)> > > are daily companion nutrients always when on iodine, regardless of iodine> > > dose.> > >> > > Jaxi> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >group IodineOT/> >> >> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

What is up? It's courteous when a moderator of a list asks you to alter

your tone, that you acknowledge that request, rather than further scolding.

I don't appreciate the disrespect and don't believe I (or anyone else on

this list) have done anything to deserve it. You've not gotten the point

that I was making, which is that we are all volunteers and there is no call

for making demands of people.

--

At 11:02 PM 3/7/2011, you wrote:

>I'm not a new member here, despite everybody thinking I am. And I did not

>scold anybody for not being perfectly available. What I commented on was

>how somebody answered a question that wasn't asked - or made a comment

>that in no way addressed the question that was asked. That is a quite

>different thing than criticizing the list for a failure to respond.

>

>Pamela

>

>

> > > >

> > > > The companion nutrients are always needed not just when you are

> > > experiencing

> > > > problems. The only " optional " component is the EXTRA salt

> > > loading. But Vit

> > > > C, Selenium, Magnesium, and 1/2 - 1 tsp sea salt (am I missing

> anything?)

> > > > are daily companion nutrients always when on iodine, regardless of

> iodine

> > > > dose.

> > > >

> > > > Jaxi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >------------------------------------

> > >

> > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> > >group IodineOT/

> > >

> > >

> > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e