Re: Re: If you have chosen to keep a goitery thyroid/liver

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You are far more knowledgeable in this area than I am, & I defer to your greater knowledge, but for me, this does pose a few questions.If a study shows that a small amount of coffee is protective to the liver, does that not suggest that drinking coffee might do at least part of what a coffee enema does? I would not claim that it is as good, or exactly the same. But that does suggest to me that a small amount of coffee can have some positive effect on the liver. (Come to that, how do the liver tonic herbs like milk thistle work? Don't they encourage the liver to flush itself? Isn't that how they work?)Another question I have is about coffee ADDICTION, which is in a whole other realm. I don't think of somebody who has one cup of coffee per day as being addicted, but there are people who suck up coffee all day, cup after cup. (Speaking as a person who only has one cup of coffee a day, I don't get a headache or other withdrawal symptoms if I miss it. In fact, some days I don't have any because I just plain forget.) There you get back to the dose making the poison. You can actually kill yourself if you drink too much WATER; runners have done this during long races. The electrolytes get out of balance, & you die -- from taking too much of something that we all need to survive. Many healthful things become toxic if taken to excess. For people who can't stop drinking coffee, as for people who can't stop drinking alcohol, total abstinence is probably necessary, because the first taste sets up the craving. But as we keep seeing, if you NEED coffee that badly, one possibility is adrenal fatigue. And often people are allergic/sensitive to foods that they crave constantly. (In fact, I have read a theory that alcoholics are allergic to alcohol.) So trying to parse why a person is drinking large, toxic volumes of coffee is part of the puzzle.Another question I have is about semantics. We tend to black & white thinking sometimes. Water=good, coffee=bad, etc. It seems to me that in real life, things tend to be a lot more nuanced. Any water is good if you are dying of thirst, but if you are habitually well hydrated, then only purified water is good (until the point where it throws your electrolytes out of balance), & polluted water is bad. Sea salt is good -- but if you drink sea water without pure water to flush the salts, it will kill you.One of the big tricks in this whole journey is reestablishing BALANCE. And part of that is figuring out not that "salt is good," but HOW MUCH salt is good, & when you are getting too much of a good thing. This is one of the problems with the government list of minimum daily nutritional requirements. The numbers they set are actually not high enough to be "good." And they define as bad amounts that are just barely good enough for most people.Omega-6 fatty acids are essential to life. HOWEVER, most of us get way too many of them, proportional to Omega-3s, because of changes in the America diet. (Just as changes in the American diet caused us to become deficient in iodine.) So some health-conscious folks start to think of Omega-6s as bad. But if you actually eliminated all Omega-6s from your diet, you would become sick.I worry sometimes that we lose perspective on nuance.AnneOn Jan 30, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Kathleen Blake wrote: Hi Anne, You make some good points in your first two paragraphs. However, as a Gerson Person I feel I must explain about coffee enemas. Dr. Max Gerson advised his patients on his cancer therapy not to drink coffee, but had them take coffee enemas because the caffeine is absorbed through the portal vein, goes right to the liver; the liver recognizes it as a toxin and dumps the caffeine , dumping other toxins with as well. These coffee enemas are vital to the Therapy as the patients are breaking down tumours/toxins so fast, the coffee enemas help the liver move them out of the body. Drinking coffee does not have this effect. When he first started his therapy he did not use coffee enemas, but added them through the years when he found his patients were releasing toxins so fast, they needed the help. ( Dr. Gersons daughter Charlotte, once said however, that her fathers only vice was drinking one cup of coffee a day =-) ) My explanation is in the simplistic form, but just wanted to explain that drinking coffee does not have the same effect as using it in an enema. Best, Kathleen Re: Re: If you have chosen to keep a goitery thyroid There are quite a few theories about fibroids. One is that they are caused by estrogen dominance -- which would suggest that anything that balances your hormones could help. Many people have reported iodine balancing one or more hormonal systems, so this could be one way iodine helps fight fibroids. One theory I have read is that fibroids are caused by congestion of the liver when it is overwhelmed by toxins. The full iodine protocol tends to promote detox -- which should, theoretically, help the liver. Not coincidentally, some people find that liver issues slow the healing they were hoping for with iodine. As for caffeine, the dose makes the poison. There is research to show that 1-2 cups of coffee per day are good for the liver, & reduce the risk of Alzheimer's (different studies), but that once you go over 2 cups, the benefit is lost, & as your intake increases, increasing harm ensues. (Not to mention that individuals vary a great deal.) And a lot of folks who are vehemently opposed to caffeine nonetheless recommend coffee enemas to detoxify the liver. Personally, I would just as soon send it to my bowels from above... Anne On Jan 30, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Pamela Valley wrote: I still drink 1-2 cups of coffee. My fibroids appeared with diet coke. I never drank coffee until 8 years later. Fibroids went away within about 3-4 months of iodine. I continue the coffee and they never came back. I think they were caused by aspartame or whatever sweetner diet coke had 30 years back. I stopped using them at that point.Pam On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Joan Dwyer <rosegardenstudio@...> wrote: Kicking caffeine (giving up coffee---soda was never my drug of choice) was one of the most helpful things I did for my body. Such good advice, Gwen.Joan Years back, I had breast pain. Dr. said Fibroids and to stop drinking any caffeine. I was drinking 2 caffeinated sodas a day at the time. Once I stopped drinking the sodas, pain went away. Caffeine contributes to fibroids, one can take all the iodine they want, but if they have caffeine in their diet, it probably won't matter. gwen The doctors do tell me that 60% of all women have fibroids and many don't realize it. So they are considered normal. They also tend to shrink or disappear in menopause. I was hoping mine would be gone but 3 years of iodine at 50 mg hasn't yet so be patient. My body has healed a ton of breast fibroids in 4 months of this so know it is doing things. Kidneys and liver healed up too. So just a lot of stuff to detox. I am trying 100 or so these days see if that changes things. Pam On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote: As far as I'm concerned, I look upon a hysterectomy for fibroids the same way I would taking a hammer to the warning lights on your car's dash board. Those tumors are there to warn you of an imbalance, & removing them does not correct the imbalance. Of course, the persistence of my fibroids, in spite of the iodine protocol, is discouraging... I was kind of hoping they would be gone by now. In the meantime, it is amusing to me when docs try to sell you on "getting rid of the problem." If you read "The Castrated Woman," she surveyed a bunch of women who had had hysterectomies, & the average time to feel like crap after a hysterectomy is a year. For myself, I have reached a steady state where the 'broids are not growing or causing me any pain, & have risen high enough into the abdomen that they don't cause me much bladder compression. I am most of the way through menopause, & therefore am only having the very occasional, very light period. A hysterectomy at this point would cause me a LOT more misery than the fibroids do, so I really cannot see how it is to my benefit in any way. And if I ever get my body into proper balance, they will reward me by going away on their own. (That's my theory, & I'm sticking to it!) Anne On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:37 AM, mzookiej wrote: Bless you, Anne. I so understand the terrors of agreeing to surgery! Leaving "them" in charge is quite the gamble. I had a surgeon ready inanother state--he was the only one that claimed he could do themyomectomy (sp?) AND I was seriously thinking of being a guinea pit forMRI assisted ultra sounding my fibroids away at Mayo. They caused me somuch trouble. Every surgeon I saw would say "hysterectomy. you don'tneed it anymore." Then I would run out - I wasn't sure if I couldcontrol throwing something at them and probably being arrested forassault. But it angered me that much. To the male docs I chalked it upto arrogance - and stupidity. To the females -- are you freekingkidding me? Where did you go to school and may I please contact tofind if you really graduated?I am fighting surgery now, too. My daughter was 19 when they removedher "possibly cancerous" lobe. It was not. Her life is not the same.Thanks again.~~~Barb>

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You make some very good points and ask some very intriguing questions Anne, I like how you think! Kathleen

Re: Re: If you have chosen to keep a goitery thyroid

There are quite a few theories about fibroids. One is that they are caused by estrogen dominance -- which would suggest that anything that balances your hormones could help. Many people have reported iodine balancing one or more hormonal systems, so this could be one way iodine helps fight fibroids.

One theory I have read is that fibroids are caused by congestion of the liver when it is overwhelmed by toxins. The full iodine protocol tends to promote detox -- which should, theoretically, help the liver. Not coincidentally, some people find that liver issues slow the healing they were hoping for with iodine.

As for caffeine, the dose makes the poison. There is research to show that 1-2 cups of coffee per day are good for the liver, & reduce the risk of Alzheimer's (different studies), but that once you go over 2 cups, the benefit is lost, & as your intake increases, increasing harm ensues. (Not to mention that individuals vary a great deal.) And a lot of folks who are vehemently opposed to caffeine nonetheless recommend coffee enemas to detoxify the liver. Personally, I would just as soon send it to my bowels from above...

Anne

On Jan 30, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:

I still drink 1-2 cups of coffee. My fibroids appeared with diet coke. I never drank coffee until 8 years later. Fibroids went away within about 3-4 months of iodine. I continue the coffee and they never came back. I think they were caused by aspartame or whatever sweetner diet coke had 30 years back. I stopped using them at that point.Pam

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Joan Dwyer <rosegardenstudio@...> wrote:

Kicking caffeine (giving up coffee---soda was never my drug of choice) was one of the most helpful things I did for my body. Such good advice, Gwen.Joan

Years back, I had breast pain. Dr. said Fibroids and to stop drinking any caffeine. I was drinking 2 caffeinated sodas a day at the time. Once I stopped drinking the sodas, pain went away.

Caffeine contributes to fibroids, one can take all the iodine they want, but if they have caffeine in their diet, it probably won't matter.

gwen

The doctors do tell me that 60% of all women have fibroids and many don't realize it. So they are considered normal. They also tend to shrink or disappear in menopause. I was hoping mine would be gone but 3 years of iodine at 50 mg hasn't yet so be patient. My body has healed a ton of breast fibroids in 4 months of this so know it is doing things. Kidneys and liver healed up too. So just a lot of stuff to detox. I am trying 100 or so these days see if that changes things. Pam

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, I look upon a hysterectomy for fibroids the same way I would taking a hammer to the warning lights on your car's dash board. Those tumors are there to warn you of an imbalance, & removing them does not correct the imbalance.

Of course, the persistence of my fibroids, in spite of the iodine protocol, is discouraging... I was kind of hoping they would be gone by now.

In the meantime, it is amusing to me when docs try to sell you on "getting rid of the problem." If you read "The Castrated Woman," she surveyed a bunch of women who had had hysterectomies, & the average time to feel like crap after a hysterectomy is a year. For myself, I have reached a steady state where the 'broids are not growing or causing me any pain, & have risen high enough into the abdomen that they don't cause me much bladder compression. I am most of the way through menopause, & therefore am only having the very occasional, very light period. A hysterectomy at this point would cause me a LOT more misery than the fibroids do, so I really cannot see how it is to my benefit in any way. And if I ever get my body into proper balance, they will reward me by going away on their own. (That's my theory, & I'm sticking to it!)

Anne

On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:37 AM, mzookiej wrote:

Bless you, Anne. I so understand the terrors of agreeing to surgery! Leaving "them" in charge is quite the gamble. I had a surgeon ready inanother state--he was the only one that claimed he could do themyomectomy (sp?) AND I was seriously thinking of being a guinea pit forMRI assisted ultra sounding my fibroids away at Mayo. They caused me somuch trouble. Every surgeon I saw would say "hysterectomy. you don'tneed it anymore." Then I would run out - I wasn't sure if I couldcontrol throwing something at them and probably being arrested forassault. But it angered me that much. To the male docs I chalked it upto arrogance - and stupidity. To the females -- are you freekingkidding me? Where did you go to school and may I please contact tofind if you really graduated?I am fighting surgery now, too. My daughter was 19 when they removedher "possibly cancerous" lobe. It was not. Her life is not the same.Thanks again.~~~Barb>