Re: celtic salt questions

March 9, 2011

Wow there is just so much misinformation here. It makes me sad. The adrenal group is the worst place to get iodine information. The owner is very sick and because of her bad experience she is on a mission to stop others from using it as well. I have tried to counsel her in the proper way to use it and that she needs a detox and she has shut me down. So please don't take their advice. You need it - especially with hashimotos. I have tried to stay neutral and not talk negatively about this group but the science isn't there and the misinformation flows with such venom over there. They have put individuals that question the authentic need for iodine on moderated status and have refused to allow posting to the "pro" side to continue. I am having to take a more aggressive stance. You need to look at the qualifications and health of those handing out advice.

Now that being said if you have an autonomically functioning nodule then you probably cannot take iodine. This is VERY rare and can only be diagnosed definitively by a RAI scan and labs. It will cause you to have hyper / hypo swings in thyroid function.

My comments are below....

Buist, ND

Owner / Iodine Group

celtic salt questions

I have a couple of questions regarding celic sea salt. I belong to the thyroid and adrenal groups and have tried to get answers there, but found the answers to be contradictory, so I was hoping this group could clear things up.1. I have been concerned about switching over to sea salt since it is not iodized and wondered if I should supplement with iodine if I switched over. So, I asked the adrenal group this question and they said that supplementing with iodine is not recommended. In fact, one of the moderators said "Iodine causes adrenal stress and is like poiling on too much thyroid when cortils is low. It also stimulates the thyroid to try to make homrones fom it and if you have Hashi's this can cause an antibody attack. Iodine makes thyroid labs pretty useless as iodine is what is measured in these labs." What do you guys think about this?

The adrenal glands need iodine to heal. It is a balancing act and you need to support the adrenals with nutritional supplements and in the very extreme cases cortisone when they are fatigued. But many have found that they did not fully heal until they added the iodine piece to the puzzle. The moderators and I are in the process of putting together stories of those who were adrenal fatigued yet took higher doses of iodine and healed. I will be working though the medical support side of this as well. You must take the supplements listed in the new members document - selenium, magnesium, unrefined salt, vit c to stay balanced. Other things that may be necessary are adrenal support supplements such as ashwaganda, l-theanine, licorice root, adrenal glandulars, isocort or even an rx of cortisone. For some they are very toxic and it is the release of toxins that stresses the adrenals. In individuals such as this, it is important to maintain support for the detoxification pathways - kidneys and liver. Supporting nutrients are Vit C, Salt, Milk Thistle, Dandelion Root extract as well as the many liver cleansing products on the market. Increasing foods that enhance the gut such as those high in probiotics is also a good thing to include. No nutrient works in a vaccuum. Our bodies need balance.

As for hashimotos. Low iodine is the CAUSE of this autoimmune disease. If taking iodine was the cause then as iodine levels have continued to fall to almost non-existant levels of the last few decades we should be seeing almost no incidence of it. But we are seeing epidemic amounts of not only autoimmune thyroid conditions but thyroid cancer. I healed from thyroid cancer with iodine dosing up to 125 mgs / day. I had Tg Ab's as well and they are now gone. My husband has hashi's and his were eliminated with this protocol as well.

Please refer to the new member document where the excerpt of Dr. Brownstein's book as referenced in relation to Hashimoto's and Iodine.

2. I saw in one of the links on this group that celtic sea salt was recommended. I looked up celtic sea salt and found a site that said any salt that is mined from today's oceans is not recommened as it will contain mercury. Does anybody know anything about this? Does celtic sea salt contain mercury?

Celtic salt is harvested from beds in France. It is not in the sea. The salt is VERY pure. Somewhere I have a copy of the analysis. I will try to dig it up. There is no mercury in it. You should not use salt as a method of iodine dosing. It was added to salt a long time ago to help prevent goiter. However, these are miniscule amounts that will not help the body with full saturation. You need to supplement. It is not in our soil so we do not get it in our plants / food. You do not want to get it from sea veggies unless you get it from an organic source that has done toxicology testing. Even these plants are depleted and do not offer the needed amounts. Check out www.celticsalt.com or www.realsalt.com both are good salts and pure.

I would greatly appreciate your input!Thanks,Charlene

March 9, 2011

I have a couple friends who have both adrenal fatigue and hypothyroid. Search Shame's Ladder, this says in order to get better you must support your adrenals as you begin the process of correcting your thyroid. The way you do this is by stepping up with adrenal support (cortisol or extra time before stepping again on thyroid) then step up with thyroid (iodine/armour). Just like climbing a ladder. It is a long process but this has been the way both of my friends have gotten better. They still have a little way to go but they have come sooooo far! I am not sure your situation but if you are not sure whether you have thyroid issues or not you should go to stopthethyroidmaddness.com. it will give you a questionaire to see if you have some thyroid going on as well.

I believe that iodine has gotten such a bad wrap because we wait until we've been thrown under the bus (healthwise) before we decide to take matters into our own hands. Conventional medicine drives more women to adrenal fatigue. Once you are there it can take some time to get back up. So when we start iodine our bodies cannot handle it without supporting other parts as we go.

Good Health and God Bless.

From: shanenchar <shanenchar@...>iodine Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 9:29:39 AMSubject: celtic salt questions

I have a couple of questions regarding celic sea salt. I belong to the thyroid and adrenal groups and have tried to get answers there, but found the answers to be contradictory, so I was hoping this group could clear things up.1. I have been concerned about switching over to sea salt since it is not iodized and wondered if I should supplement with iodine if I switched over. So, I asked the adrenal group this question and they said that supplementing with iodine is not recommended. In fact, one of the moderators said "Iodine causes adrenal stress and is like poiling on too much thyroid when cortils is low. It also stimulates the thyroid to try to make homrones fom it and if you have Hashi's this can cause an antibody attack. Iodine makes thyroid labs pretty useless as iodine is what is measured in these labs." What do you guys think about this?2. I saw in one of the links on this group that celtic sea salt was recommended. I

looked up celtic sea salt and found a site that said any salt that is mined from today's oceans is not recommened as it will contain mercury. Does anybody know anything about this? Does celtic sea salt contain mercury? I would greatly appreciate your input!Thanks,Charlene

March 9, 2011

Dear and ,

I thank you both so much for your responses!! They were VERY HELPFUl!! I do

have both adrenal fatigue and Hashimoto's hypothyroidism. I actually have an

excellent doctor that has been trying to get me to take 12.5 mg of iodoral

supplement per day, but I have been afraid to take that amount because since I

started seeing him, I have been either pregnant or nursing and I am not sure

what that would do to my baby. Does anybody here know if it is safe to take

12.5mg/day while pregnant or nursing? I do take 1/2 a pill twice a week, which

isn't very much compared to what he wants me to take, but I figured that was

better than nothing.

I just found out recently that I have adrenal fatigue and was started on

hydrocortisone. I have learned that I need to fix the adrenals before I can

take the proper amount of thyroid medication and I have been working on that.

Should I wait until my adrenals are fixed before I add in more iodine?

Regarding the moderator of the adrenal group.......when you say not to listen to

their advice, do you mean regarding taking iodine only, or not to take their

advice in general?

Again, I truly appreciate your answers and your time and your honesty!!

Charlene

>

> Wow there is just so much misinformation here. It makes me sad. The adrenal

group is the worst place to get iodine information. The owner is very sick and

because of her bad experience she is on a mission to stop others from using it

as well. I have tried to counsel her in the proper way to use it and that she

needs a detox and she has shut me down. So please don't take their advice. You

need it - especially with hashimotos. I have tried to stay neutral and not talk

negatively about this group but the science isn't there and the misinformation

flows with such venom over there. They have put individuals that question the

authentic need for iodine on moderated status and have refused to allow posting

to the " pro " side to continue. I am having to take a more aggressive stance.

You need to look at the qualifications and health of those handing out advice.

>

> Now that being said if you have an autonomically functioning nodule then you

probably cannot take iodine. This is VERY rare and can only be diagnosed

definitively by a RAI scan and labs. It will cause you to have hyper / hypo

swings in thyroid function.

>

> My comments are below....

>

> Buist, ND

> Owner / Iodine Group

>

> celtic salt questions

>

> I have a couple of questions regarding celic sea salt. I belong to the

thyroid and adrenal groups and have tried to get answers there, but found the

answers to be contradictory, so I was hoping this group could clear things up.

>

> 1. I have been concerned about switching over to sea salt since it is not

iodized and wondered if I should supplement with iodine if I switched over. So,

I asked the adrenal group this question and they said that supplementing with

iodine is not recommended. In fact, one of the moderators said " Iodine causes

adrenal stress and is like poiling on too much thyroid when cortils is low. It

also stimulates the thyroid to try to make

> homrones fom it and if you have Hashi's this can cause an antibody

> attack. Iodine makes thyroid labs pretty useless as iodine is what is

> measured in these labs. " What do you guys think about this?

>

> The adrenal glands need iodine to heal. It is a balancing act and you need

to support the adrenals with nutritional supplements and in the very extreme

cases cortisone when they are fatigued. But many have found that they did not

fully heal until they added the iodine piece to the puzzle. The moderators and

I are in the process of putting together stories of those who were adrenal

fatigued yet took higher doses of iodine and healed. I will be working though

the medical support side of this as well. You must take the supplements listed

in the new members document - selenium, magnesium, unrefined salt, vit c to stay

balanced. Other things that may be necessary are adrenal support supplements

such as ashwaganda, l-theanine, licorice root, adrenal glandulars, isocort or

even an rx of cortisone. For some they are very toxic and it is the release of

toxins that stresses the adrenals. In individuals such as this, it is important

to maintain support for the detoxification pathways - kidneys and liver.

Supporting nutrients are Vit C, Salt, Milk Thistle, Dandelion Root extract as

well as the many liver cleansing products on the market. Increasing foods that

enhance the gut such as those high in probiotics is also a good thing to

include. No nutrient works in a vaccuum. Our bodies need balance.

>

> As for hashimotos. Low iodine is the CAUSE of this autoimmune disease. If

taking iodine was the cause then as iodine levels have continued to fall to

almost non-existant levels of the last few decades we should be seeing almost no

incidence of it. But we are seeing epidemic amounts of not only autoimmune

thyroid conditions but thyroid cancer. I healed from thyroid cancer with iodine

dosing up to 125 mgs / day. I had Tg Ab's as well and they are now gone. My

husband has hashi's and his were eliminated with this protocol as well.

>

> Please refer to the new member document where the excerpt of Dr.

Brownstein's book as referenced in relation to Hashimoto's and Iodine.

>

> 2. I saw in one of the links on this group that celtic sea salt was

recommended. I looked up celtic sea salt and found a site that said any salt

that is mined from today's oceans is not recommened as it will contain mercury.

Does anybody know anything about this? Does celtic sea salt contain mercury?

>

> Celtic salt is harvested from beds in France. It is not in the sea. The

salt is VERY pure. Somewhere I have a copy of the analysis. I will try to dig

it up. There is no mercury in it. You should not use salt as a method of

iodine dosing. It was added to salt a long time ago to help prevent goiter.

However, these are miniscule amounts that will not help the body with full

saturation. You need to supplement. It is not in our soil so we do not get it

in our plants / food. You do not want to get it from sea veggies unless you get

it from an organic source that has done toxicology testing. Even these plants

are depleted and do not offer the needed amounts. Check out www.celticsalt.com

or www.realsalt.com both are good salts and pure.

>

> I would greatly appreciate your input!

> Thanks,

> Charlene

>

March 9, 2011

The iodine doctors discussed the issue of pregnancy and nursing with the usage of Iodoral and toxicity at the conference in 2007. Understanding that iodine is incredibly important to brain development of our children they wanted to come to a consensus as to what would be considered safe. They all agreed that 12.5 mgs should be safe while providing the needed nutrient for the baby. It would be high enough to be somewhat protective if there were toxins passing through the placenta and breast milk as well. If you find that you are feeling some of the detoxing reactions then make sure you are getting enough supporting nutrients. If you are doing this and you still have uncomfortable symptoms then it is time to re-evaluate. Your doctor can do a serum test to obtain bromide levels to see if you are pushing out too many toxins. It sounds like you have done OK with a lower level already.

You don't necessarily need to take hydrocortisone every time there is adrenal fatigue. I had severe adrenals and used Biotics Research Cytozyme AD (2 - 2x / day) which is a neonatal bovine adrenal glandular. It worked well for me and I healed my adrenals. Some have issues with weight gain on HC so this is another option for you.

As for advice from the adrenal group - be careful. Some information is not in line with recommendations I would be comfortable. If you dig deep enough you will find that those giving advice have not healed themselves. There is some good information but sometimes they carry things to the extreme. Like recommending that everyone needs isocort or HC if they have adrenal issues. It isn't that simple.

Hope that helps.

Buist, NDOwner / Iodine Group

celtic salt questions> > > > I have a couple of questions regarding celic sea salt. I belong to the thyroid and adrenal groups and have tried to get answers there, but found the answers to be contradictory, so I was hoping this group could clear things up.> > 1. I have been concerned about switching over to sea salt since it is not iodized and wondered if I should supplement with iodine if I switched over. So, I asked the adrenal group this question and they said that supplementing with iodine is not recommended. In fact, one of the moderators said "Iodine causes adrenal stress and is like poiling on too much thyroid when cortils is low. It also stimulates the thyroid to try to make > homrones fom it and if you have Hashi's this can cause an antibody > attack. Iodine makes thyroid labs pretty useless as iodine is what is > measured in these labs." What do you guys think about this?> > The adrenal glands need iodine to heal. It is a balancing act and you need to support the adrenals with nutritional supplements and in the very extreme cases cortisone when they are fatigued. But many have found that they did not fully heal until they added the iodine piece to the puzzle. The moderators and I are in the process of putting together stories of those who were adrenal fatigued yet took higher doses of iodine and healed. I will be working though the medical support side of this as well. You must take the supplements listed in the new members document - selenium, magnesium, unrefined salt, vit c to stay balanced. Other things that may be necessary are adrenal support supplements such as ashwaganda, l-theanine, licorice root, adrenal glandulars, isocort or even an rx of cortisone. For some they are very toxic and it is the release of toxins that stresses the adrenals. In individuals such as this, it is important to maintain support for the detoxification pathways - kidneys and liver. Supporting nutrients are Vit C, Salt, Milk Thistle, Dandelion Root extract as well as the many liver cleansing products on the market. Increasing foods that enhance the gut such as those high in probiotics is also a good thing to include. No nutrient works in a vaccuum. Our bodies need balance.> > As for hashimotos. Low iodine is the CAUSE of this autoimmune disease. If taking iodine was the cause then as iodine levels have continued to fall to almost non-existant levels of the last few decades we should be seeing almost no incidence of it. But we are seeing epidemic amounts of not only autoimmune thyroid conditions but thyroid cancer. I healed from thyroid cancer with iodine dosing up to 125 mgs / day. I had Tg Ab's as well and they are now gone. My husband has hashi's and his were eliminated with this protocol as well. > > Please refer to the new member document where the excerpt of Dr. Brownstein's book as referenced in relation to Hashimoto's and Iodine.> > > 2. I saw in one of the links on this group that celtic sea salt was recommended. I looked up celtic sea salt and found a site that said any salt that is mined from today's oceans is not recommened as it will contain mercury. Does anybody know anything about this? Does celtic sea salt contain mercury? > > > Celtic salt is harvested from beds in France. It is not in the sea. The salt is VERY pure. Somewhere I have a copy of the analysis. I will try to dig it up. There is no mercury in it. You should not use salt as a method of iodine dosing. It was added to salt a long time ago to help prevent goiter. However, these are miniscule amounts that will not help the body with full saturation. You need to supplement. It is not in our soil so we do not get it in our plants / food. You do not want to get it from sea veggies unless you get it from an organic source that has done toxicology testing. Even these plants are depleted and do not offer the needed amounts. Check out www.celticsalt.com or www.realsalt.com both are good salts and pure. > > > I would greatly appreciate your input!> Thanks,> Charlene>

March 9, 2011

This is true, my hypo problems caused my adrenal fatigue symptoms. Once I got on the right dose of iodine my adrenal fatigue went away without isocort or other cortisol.

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 2:20:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: celtic salt questions

The iodine doctors discussed the issue of pregnancy and nursing with the usage of Iodoral and toxicity at the conference in 2007. Understanding that iodine is incredibly important to brain development of our children they wanted to come to a consensus as to what would be considered safe. They all agreed that 12.5 mgs should be safe while providing the needed nutrient for the baby. It would be high enough to be somewhat protective if there were toxins passing through the placenta and breast milk as well. If you find that you are feeling some of the detoxing reactions then make sure you are getting enough supporting nutrients. If you are doing this and you still have uncomfortable symptoms then it is time to re-evaluate. Your doctor can do a serum test to obtain bromide levels to see if you are pushing out too many toxins. It sounds like you have done

OK with a lower level already.

You don't necessarily need to take hydrocortisone every time there is adrenal fatigue. I had severe adrenals and used Biotics Research Cytozyme AD (2 - 2x / day) which is a neonatal bovine adrenal glandular. It worked well for me and I healed my adrenals. Some have issues with weight gain on HC so this is another option for you.

As for advice from the adrenal group - be careful. Some information is not in line with recommendations I would be comfortable. If you dig deep enough you will find that those giving advice have not healed themselves. There is some good information but sometimes they carry things to the extreme. Like recommending that everyone needs isocort or HC if they have adrenal issues. It isn't that simple.

Hope that helps.

Buist, NDOwner / Iodine Group

celtic salt questions> > > > I have a couple of questions regarding celic sea salt. I belong to the thyroid and adrenal groups and have tried to get answers there, but found the answers to be contradictory, so I was hoping this group could clear things up.> > 1. I have been concerned about switching over to sea salt since it is not iodized and wondered if I should supplement with iodine if I switched over. So, I asked the adrenal group this question and they said that supplementing with iodine is not recommended. In fact, one of the moderators said "Iodine causes adrenal stress and is like poiling on too much thyroid when cortils is low. It also stimulates the thyroid to try to make > homrones fom it and if you have Hashi's this can cause an antibody >

attack. Iodine makes thyroid labs pretty useless as iodine is what is > measured in these labs." What do you guys think about this?> > The adrenal glands need iodine to heal. It is a balancing act and you need to support the adrenals with nutritional supplements and in the very extreme cases cortisone when they are fatigued. But many have found that they did not fully heal until they added the iodine piece to the puzzle. The moderators and I are in the process of putting together stories of those who were adrenal fatigued yet took higher doses of iodine and healed. I will be working though the medical support side of this as well. You must take the supplements listed in the new members document - selenium, magnesium, unrefined salt, vit c to stay balanced. Other things that may be necessary are adrenal support supplements such as ashwaganda, l-theanine, licorice root, adrenal glandulars, isocort or even an rx of cortisone. For some

they are very toxic and it is the release of toxins that stresses the adrenals. In individuals such as this, it is important to maintain support for the detoxification pathways - kidneys and liver. Supporting nutrients are Vit C, Salt, Milk Thistle, Dandelion Root extract as well as the many liver cleansing products on the market. Increasing foods that enhance the gut such as those high in probiotics is also a good thing to include. No nutrient works in a vaccuum. Our bodies need balance.> > As for hashimotos. Low iodine is the CAUSE of this autoimmune disease. If taking iodine was the cause then as iodine levels have continued to fall to almost non-existant levels of the last few decades we should be seeing almost no incidence of it. But we are seeing epidemic amounts of not only autoimmune thyroid conditions but thyroid cancer. I healed from thyroid cancer with iodine dosing up to 125 mgs / day. I had Tg Ab's as well and they are now

gone. My husband has hashi's and his were eliminated with this protocol as well. > > Please refer to the new member document where the excerpt of Dr. Brownstein's book as referenced in relation to Hashimoto's and Iodine.> > > 2. I saw in one of the links on this group that celtic sea salt was recommended. I looked up celtic sea salt and found a site that said any salt that is mined from today's oceans is not recommened as it will contain mercury. Does anybody know anything about this? Does celtic sea salt contain mercury? > > > Celtic salt is harvested from beds in France. It is not in the sea. The salt is VERY pure. Somewhere I have a copy of the analysis. I will try to dig it up. There is no mercury in it. You should not use salt as a method of iodine dosing. It was added to salt a long time ago to help prevent goiter. However, these are miniscule amounts that will not help the body with full

saturation. You need to supplement. It is not in our soil so we do not get it in our plants / food. You do not want to get it from sea veggies unless you get it from an organic source that has done toxicology testing. Even these plants are depleted and do not offer the needed amounts. Check out www.celticsalt.com or www.realsalt.com both are good salts and pure. > > > I would greatly appreciate your input!> Thanks,> Charlene>

March 9, 2011

Thanks again!

I have been taking hydrocortisone for 2 weeks now and just recently I have

noticed that my weight loss has stopped and it is getting very hard to lose

weight. I just had a baby 2 months ago and I have been losing weight (about a

pound a week with watching what I eat and exercising) and that has come to an

end. Do you think it is the hydrocortisone? Why does hydrocortisone cause

weight gain? Do you think it is ok to switch over to what you were taking?

Where do I find the item you used to take? How long did it take you to heal

your adrenals?

Also, is it ok to start taking that amount of iodine before my adrenals are

healed?

Thanks again!

Charlene

> >

> > Wow there is just so much misinformation here. It makes me sad. The

adrenal group is the worst place to get iodine information. The owner is very

sick and because of her bad experience she is on a mission to stop others from

using it as well. I have tried to counsel her in the proper way to use it and

that she needs a detox and she has shut me down. So please don't take their

advice. You need it - especially with hashimotos. I have tried to stay neutral

and not talk negatively about this group but the science isn't there and the

misinformation flows with such venom over there. They have put individuals that

question the authentic need for iodine on moderated status and have refused to

allow posting to the " pro " side to continue. I am having to take a more

aggressive stance. You need to look at the qualifications and health of those

handing out advice.

> >

> > Now that being said if you have an autonomically functioning nodule then

you probably cannot take iodine. This is VERY rare and can only be diagnosed

definitively by a RAI scan and labs. It will cause you to have hyper / hypo

swings in thyroid function.

> >

> > My comments are below....

> >

> > Buist, ND

> > Owner / Iodine Group

> >

> > celtic salt questions

> >

> > I have a couple of questions regarding celic sea salt. I belong to the

thyroid and adrenal groups and have tried to get answers there, but found the

answers to be contradictory, so I was hoping this group could clear things up.

> >

> > 1. I have been concerned about switching over to sea salt since it is not

iodized and wondered if I should supplement with iodine if I switched over. So,

I asked the adrenal group this question and they said that supplementing with

iodine is not recommended. In fact, one of the moderators said " Iodine causes

adrenal stress and is like poiling on too much thyroid when cortils is low. It

also stimulates the thyroid to try to make

> > homrones fom it and if you have Hashi's this can cause an antibody

> > attack. Iodine makes thyroid labs pretty useless as iodine is what is

> > measured in these labs. " What do you guys think about this?

> >

> > The adrenal glands need iodine to heal. It is a balancing act and you need

to support the adrenals with nutritional supplements and in the very extreme

cases cortisone when they are fatigued. But many have found that they did not

fully heal until they added the iodine piece to the puzzle. The moderators and I

are in the process of putting together stories of those who were adrenal