Re: Meltdown Imminent-- Iodine info please!!!

March 11, 2011

If by "regular iodine" you mean tincture of iodine from the drugstore, that is not to be taken internally.Lugol's contains part potassium iodide, & part iodine. So if you get the Lugol's tomorrow, you will be getting some potassium iodide.But the previous post recommends a really high dose of potassium iodide -- that would be quite a lot of Lugol's. (The files contain the dosage on drops of Lugol's, depending on which strength you get.) Still, some would be better than none. (And the little ones would need smaller doses anyway.)AnneOn Mar 11, 2011, at 9:47 PM, beabernhausen wrote: http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-reactor-meltdown/It is looking like a meltdown is unavoidable possibly more than one.I am in Vancouver--directly in the prevailing winds from Japan. They get here in 36 hours.I have phoned two major drugstores in Canada and they haven't even heard of potassium iodide and I have no idea where to get it. I have regular iodine--is that usable in an emergency? I can get Lugol's but not till tomorrow.How much of over the counter iodine (2.5%)would I use?In our family we have a new born (being nursed) a two year old and a four year old one teen--several young adults and adults aged from 30 to 64.Can someone please give me some info on this?Thank youBea

March 11, 2011

What kind of over-the-counter iodine are you talking about? If it's

Betadine or tincture of iodine, that's not to be ingested orally, only

topically.

You'll want to get Lugol's tomorrow and start dosing immediately. You'll

be fine waiting until tomorrow. Don't take Betadine or tincture of iodine

orally.

The dosage amounts recommended by the CDC are based on taking pure

potassium iodide, which the thyroid uses directly. So in order to get the

recommended amounts of potassium iodide, a person needs to take 1/3 more of

Lugol's/Iodoral.

I posted the recommended dosages earlier. Here I will convert them for use

with Lugol's/Iodoral. If I've done the math wrong, someone will let me

know asap.

Adults: dose = 130mg KI, so Lugol's/Iodoral is 173mg

Women who are breastfeeding take adult dose.

Children between 3 and 18 years of age: dose = 65mg KI,

so Lugol's/Iodoral is 87mg

Children who are 150 pounds or over should take the adult dose

regardless of age.

Infants and children between 1 month and 3 years of age: dose = 32mg KI,

so Lugol's/Iodoral is 43mg

This dose is for nursing and non-nursing infants/children

Newborns from birth to 1 month of age: dose = 16mg KI,

so Lugol's Iodoral is 22mg.

This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing newborn infants.

Take one dose every 24 hours until the danger is past.

The CDC says to avoid repeat dosing for pregnant and breastfeeding women

and newborn infants, but that is because they are iodine-phobic. We

discuss this all the time on this list. Other sources say all individuals

should get the appropriate sized dose once every 24 hours until the danger

is past.

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>It is looking like a meltdown is unavoidable possibly more than one.

>I am in Vancouver--directly in the prevailing winds from Japan. They get

>here in 36 hours.

>

>I have phoned two major drugstores in Canada and they haven't even heard

>of potassium iodide and I have no idea where to get it.

>

>I have regular iodine--is that usable in an emergency? I can get Lugol's

>but not till tomorrow.

>

>How much of over the counter iodine (2.5%)would I use?

>

>In our family we have a new born (being nursed) a two year old and a four

>year old one teen--several young adults and adults aged from 30 to 64.

>

>Can someone please give me some info on this?

>

>Thank you

>Bea

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

March 12, 2011

There is some GREAT information on this website. Info about specific doses is

further down the page.

http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm

I found this part particularly interesting: " The public's exaggerated fears of

extremely small amounts of radiation also are worsened by the media's use

without explanations of very small units of radiation measurement, including the

picocurie. (The picocurie is used to express the radioactive contamination of

milk, water, etc., and is only one millionth of a millionth

[1/1,000,000,000,000] of a curie.) One episode in which fears of radiation were

thus worsened occurred shortly after the invisible fallout cloud from the

Chernobyl disaster first reached the United States. Some listeners were

frightened when a radio announcer merely stated that milk samples in northwest

Oregon showed 118 picocuries per liter of radioactive iodine. Few Americans know

that they will not be advised to stop using fresh milk unless its contamination

is 15,000 picocuries or more per liter - as specified in the Food and Drug

Administration's official, very cautious " Protective Action Guidance " , published

in the Federal Register of October 22, 1982. "

It helps give a bit of a reference range for comparison purposes to any

contamination that would occur because of any potential meltdowns in Japan.

Here is info about using iodine tincture: If no tablets available, you can

topically (on the skin) apply an iodine solution, like tincture of iodine or

Betadine, for a similar protective effect. (WARNING: Iodine solutions are NEVER

to be ingested or swallowed.) For adults, paint 8 ml of a 2 percent tincture of

Iodine on the abdomen or forearm each day, ideally at least 2 hours prior to

possible exposure. For children 3 to 18, but under 150 pounds, only half that

amount painted on daily, or 4 ml. For children under 3 but older than a month,

half again, or 2 ml. For newborns to 1 month old, half it again, or just 1 ml.

(One measuring teaspoon is about 5 ml, if you don't have a medicine dropper

graduated in ml.) If your iodine is stronger than 2%, reduce the dosage

accordingly. Absorption through the skin is not as reliable a dosing method as

using the tablets, but tests show that it will still be very effective for most.

Do not use if allergic to iodine.

Apparently the recommended dosage of Potassium Iodide is 130 mg for adults for

10 days and 65 mg for children (with adolescents who are close to adult size

taking the adult dosage).

Pamela, who's spent a lot of time tonight reading predictions for fallout

ranging from fear-mongering " if you live on the west cost you're going to die in

10 days! " to more rational (but still concerning) predictions. A lot depends on

the integrity of the containment building (which Chernobyl DID NOT have).

>

> http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuc\

> lear-reactor-meltdown/

> <http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nu\

> clear-reactor-meltdown/>

>

> It is looking like a meltdown is unavoidable possibly more than one.

> I am in Vancouver--directly in the prevailing winds from Japan. They get

> here in 36 hours.

>

> I have phoned two major drugstores in Canada and they haven't even heard

> of potassium iodide and I have no idea where to get it.

>

> I have regular iodine--is that usable in an emergency? I can get Lugol's

> but not till tomorrow.

>

> How much of over the counter iodine (2.5%)would I use?

>

> In our family we have a new born (being nursed) a two year old and a

> four year old one teen--several young adults and adults aged from 30 to

> 64.

>

> Can someone please give me some info on this?

>

> Thank you

> Bea

>

March 12, 2011

I think it's important to be informed and to not react from fear. Some people

cannot tolerate the amount of Potassium Iodide that is recommended for thyroid

protection from nuclear fallout. (I am assuming i could not since I've had

negative reactions to lower amounts). I would take it if I really needed to but

at this point there is NO evidence that it is imperative to do so.

It would be necessary only if a meltdown occurred AND the containment building

experienced a substantial failure. A meltdown alone would not necessitate

prophylactic dosages of potassium iodide. The containment building was designed

to " contain " the radiation in the case of a meltdown. The reactors at Chernobyl

did NOT have containment buildings. As a result, the radiation entered the

atmosphere freely and was able to travel the world. The United States did

receive radiation from Chernobyl but the amount was miniscule (I posted a quote

on another post that indicated how small that amount was).

So, be prepared and be vigilant but do not be fearful. And DO NOT trust a

horrible map circulating online that indicates that people on the west coast

essentially will die if a meltdown occurs in Japan! This map has no trustworthy

source and is appearing only on sensationalistic websites whose owners delight

in eliciting extreme responses from people.

Pamela

March 12, 2011

Both of these have come to pass

Here is the fallout projection for my area (Vancouver BC)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg

Sorry I'm new to posting so please have patience with me. Someone posted the dosages for Lugols but in weight. Does anyone know what that would be in drops? Also I heard that while you can't ingest the tincture you can use it topically--if so how big an area?

I have to work within an extremely limited budget--so cost is unfortunately a factor.

Any info is very much appreciated.

Thanks

Bea

>> I think it's important to be informed and to not react from fear. Some people cannot tolerate the amount of Potassium Iodide that is recommended for thyroid protection from nuclear fallout. (I am assuming i could not since I've had negative reactions to lower amounts). I would take it if I really needed to but at this point there is NO evidence that it is imperative to do so.> > It would be necessary only if a meltdown occurred AND the containment building experienced a substantial failure. A meltdown alone would not necessitate prophylactic dosages of potassium iodide. The containment building was designed to "contain" the radiation in the case of a meltdown. The reactors at Chernobyl did NOT have containment buildings. As a result, the radiation entered the atmosphere freely and was able to travel the world. The United States did receive radiation from Chernobyl but the amount was miniscule (I posted a quote on another post that indicated how small that amount was).> > So, be prepared and be vigilant but do not be fearful. And DO NOT trust a horrible map circulating online that indicates that people on the west coast essentially will die if a meltdown occurs in Japan! This map has no trustworthy source and is appearing only on sensationalistic websites whose owners delight in eliciting extreme responses from people.> > Pamela>

March 12, 2011

HI Bea

Zeneca Labs in Burnaby carries iodine an KI crystals, and Lugol's too, if I

remember

Jaye

>

> http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuc\

> lear-reactor-meltdown/

> <http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nu\

> clear-reactor-meltdown/>

>

> It is looking like a meltdown is unavoidable possibly more than one.

> I am in Vancouver--directly in the prevailing winds from Japan. They get

> here in 36 hours.

>

> I have phoned two major drugstores in Canada and they haven't even heard

> of potassium iodide and I have no idea where to get it.

>

> I have regular iodine--is that usable in an emergency? I can get Lugol's

> but not till tomorrow.

>

> How much of over the counter iodine (2.5%)would I use?

>

> In our family we have a new born (being nursed) a two year old and a

> four year old one teen--several young adults and adults aged from 30 to

> 64.

>

> Can someone please give me some info on this?

>

> Thank you

> Bea

>

March 12, 2011

THAT IS THE UNSUBSTANTIATED MAP I WARNED THIS GROUP ABOUT!!! IT IS GARBAGE AND

HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY.

Pamela

> >

> > I think it's important to be informed and to not react from fear. Some

> people cannot tolerate the amount of Potassium Iodide that is

> recommended for thyroid protection from nuclear fallout. (I am assuming

> i could not since I've had negative reactions to lower amounts). I would

> take it if I really needed to but at this point there is NO evidence

> that it is imperative to do so.

> >

> > It would be necessary only if a meltdown occurred AND the containment

> building experienced a substantial failure. A meltdown alone would not

> necessitate prophylactic dosages of potassium iodide. The containment

> building was designed to " contain " the radiation in the case of a

> meltdown. The reactors at Chernobyl did NOT have containment buildings.

> As a result, the radiation entered the atmosphere freely and was able to

> travel the world. The United States did receive radiation from Chernobyl

> but the amount was miniscule (I posted a quote on another post that

> indicated how small that amount was).

> >

> > So, be prepared and be vigilant but do not be fearful. And DO NOT

> trust a horrible map circulating online that indicates that people on

> the west coast essentially will die if a meltdown occurs in Japan! This

> map has no trustworthy source and is appearing only on sensationalistic

> websites whose owners delight in eliciting extreme responses from

> people.

> >

> > Pamela

> >

>

March 12, 2011

why do you say it is unsubstantiated? what do you think will happen instead?Thanks for the info, ArielOn Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Pamela <prov31mom23@...> wrote:

THAT IS THE UNSUBSTANTIATED MAP I WARNED THIS GROUP ABOUT!!! IT IS GARBAGE AND HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY.