Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ladybugsandbees Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM iodine Subject: Re: Child dose.. I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It would be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? Buist, ND Child dose.. Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info about possible fallout. I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be 43 mg every 24 hrs till danger is passed. My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I don't have lugol's. Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take pills! Thank you and God Bless, Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Hi Theresa My guess would be that your son is detoxing heavily through his kidneys and probably needs support for that area. I am told that chiropractic can be very helpful for kidney stones (although it won't do a thing for gallstones...) Jaye > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > Theresa > > > > _____ > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > ladybugsandbees > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > iodine > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It would > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > Buist, ND > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info about > possible fallout. > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be 43 mg > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I don't > have lugol's. > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take pills! > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Check out an internet search for 'kidney stones baking soda'. Interesting information has come to light in recent years about the benefits of baking soda for the kidneys, and recently I ran across some info about oxalates & autism and somehow this kind of crossed paths with the baking soda thing but I am not up on all of that. Just passing this along to you to do with whatever you want and because the detox pathways are important for the iodine protocol. Mark Sircus MD also has some posts about kidneys and baking soda. He is an advocate of iodine and is also writing a book for pediatric health care ... perhaps he has a place where you can post a question. > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > > ladybugsandbees > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > iodine > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It would > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info about > > possible fallout. > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be 43 mg > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I don't > > have lugol's. > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take pills! > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 We started to go that route at one point. We gave up on doctors when no specialist we went to could tell me why a 4 year old little boy would have kidney stones like he does. They don’t think they acid or calcium stones and were totally baffled. They are so small that he does pass them after tons of pain but we never catch them so we can investigate further. But going the baking sodium route would make it more likely to form calcium stones which we were not willing to mess with at his age. I do know that it didn’t all start until I added in Iodine and hasn’t stopped yet. So just trying to grasp all the benefits and downfalls and worries and fears and everything involved in helping our family. I might try iodine for my thyroid but not sure I would do my son at this point although I would love to help him as much as I can. I am just leery and that’s why I am here. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of baxrox Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:47 PM iodine Subject: Re: Child dose..kidneys Check out an internet search for 'kidney stones baking soda'. Interesting information has come to light in recent years about the benefits of baking soda for the kidneys, and recently I ran across some info about oxalates & autism and somehow this kind of crossed paths with the baking soda thing but I am not up on all of that. Just passing this along to you to do with whatever you want and because the detox pathways are important for the iodine protocol. Mark Sircus MD also has some posts about kidneys and baking soda. He is an advocate of iodine and is also writing a book for pediatric health care ... perhaps he has a place where you can post a question. > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > > ladybugsandbees > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > iodine > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It would > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info about > > possible fallout. > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be 43 mg > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I don't > > have lugol's. > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take pills! > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiar with oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be of interest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though it would be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf And, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and begin monitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something you can do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basic urinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test. But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for your son. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods that are high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out that list to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you are aware of. Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track .... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicated for some than others and that's where we end up straying " off topic " a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able to use the iodine protocol. > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > > ladybugsandbees > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info > about > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I > don't > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take > pills! > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 oxalates play a role in kidney stones. http://www.livestrong.com/article/320016-kidney-stone-oxalate-foods/ On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiar with oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be of interest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though it would be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf And, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and begin monitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something you can do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basic urinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test. But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for your son. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods that are high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out that list to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you are aware of. Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track ... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicated for some than others and that's where we end up straying " off topic " a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able to use the iodine protocol. > > >> > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started> > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys> > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine?> > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf> Of > > > ladybugsandbees> > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM> > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would> > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order?> > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND> > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info> about> > > possible fallout.> > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg> > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed.> > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I> don't> > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take> pills!> > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I did check that all out, my son is also autistic and self limits his food. We are lucky to get what food we can in him. He was very toxic and we have gone through two rounds of chelation, biomedical treatment for biofilm in the gut. Although he is doing better with eating he still is limited. Will recheck the low oxalate foods again and see if there is something I can do. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:41 AM iodine Subject: Re: Re: Child dose..kidneys oxalates play a role in kidney stones. http://www.livestrong.com/article/320016-kidney-stone-oxalate-foods/ On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiar with oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be of interest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though it would be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf And, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and begin monitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something you can do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basic urinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test. But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for your son. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods that are high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out that list to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you are aware of. Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track .... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicated for some than others and that's where we end up straying " off topic " a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able to use the iodine protocol. > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > > ladybugsandbees > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info > about > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I > don't > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take > pills! > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It is possible that oxalates are only detrimental when the food is cooked. On 3/13/2011 9:41 AM, ido zahavi wrote: oxalates play a role in kidney stones. http://www.livestrong.com/article/320016-kidney-stone-oxalate-foods/ On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiar with oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be of interest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though it would be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf And, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and begin monitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something you can do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basic urinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test. But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for your son. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods that are high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out that list to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you are aware of. Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track ... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicated for some than others and that's where we end up straying "off topic" a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able to use the iodine protocol. > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > > ladybugsandbees > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info > about > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I > don't > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take > pills! > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Theresa, I have to encourage you to join the trying_low_oxalates group and ask Suan Owens to help you. I'm sure she would be very interested in a child who is actually suffering from kidney stones. My son has been on the Low Oxalate diet for less than a year and he is doing fantastic. The small stones are more than likely oxalate crystals, and they are very painful to pass--but there are supplements to help ease his pain, and this group will help you tremendously! take care, Amy > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > > ladybugsandbees > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info > about > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I > don't > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take > pills! > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Can any one verify that----I live on spinach salads, and celery God Bless, Sara > > > > > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and > > he started > > > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about > > every three > > > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have > > weak kidneys > > > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: iodine > > <mailto:iodine%40> <mailto:iodine%40 > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40 > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> ] On Behalf > > > Of > > > > > ladybugsandbees > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40 <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it > > that way. It > > > would > > > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I > > recieved info > > > about > > > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs > > old would be > > > 43 mg > > > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets > > since I > > > don't > > > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who > > won't take > > > pills! > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Here is some good info: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=48 Child dose..> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I> > recieved info> > > about> > > > > possible fallout.> > > > >> > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs> > old would be> > > 43 mg> > > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed.> > > > >> > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets> > since I> > > don't> > > > > have lugol's.> > > > >> > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who> > won't take> > > pills!> > > > >> > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I would add that a person shouldn't borrow trouble ... oxalates are only a problem for some people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and > > > > he started > > > > > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about > > > > every three > > > > > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have > > > > weak kidneys > > > > > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > > <mailto:iodine%40> <mailto:iodine%40 > > > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > > > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40> > > > > <mailto:iodine%40 > > > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> ] On Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > ladybugsandbees > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > > > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40> > > > > <mailto:iodine%40 <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it > > > > that way. It > > > > > would > > > > > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I > > > > recieved info > > > > > about > > > > > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs > > > > old would be > > > > > 43 mg > > > > > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets > > > > since I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who > > > > won't take > > > > > pills! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Theresa .I guess when you say you added iodine you mean iodine and the companion nutrients?If so how much C and what type and magnesium what type and how much? From: Theresa <gates78@...>iodine Sent: Sun, 13 March, 2011 0:50:24Subject: RE: Re: Child dose..kidneys We started to go that route at one point. We gave up on doctors when no specialist we went to could tell me why a 4 year old little boy would have kidney stones like he does. They don’t think they acid or calcium stones and were totally baffled. They are so small that he does pass them after tons of pain but we never catch them so we can investigate further. But going the baking sodium route would make it more likely to form calcium stones which we were not willing to mess with at his age. I do know that it didn’t all start until I added in Iodine and hasn’t stopped yet. So just trying to grasp all the benefits and downfalls and worries and fears and everything involved in helping our family. I might try iodine for my thyroid but not sure I would do my son at this point although I would love to help him as much as I can. I am just leery and that’s why I am here. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of baxrox Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:47 PM iodine Subject: Re: Child dose..kidneys Check out an internet search for 'kidney stones baking soda'. Interesting information has come to light in recent years about the benefits of baking soda for the kidneys, and recently I ran across some info about oxalates & autism and somehow this kind of crossed paths with the baking soda thing but I am not up on all of that. Just passing this along to you to do with whatever you want and because the detox pathways are important for the iodine protocol. Mark Sircus MD also has some posts about kidneys and baking soda. He is an advocate of iodine and is also writing a book for pediatric health care ... perhaps he has a place where you can post a question. > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > > ladybugsandbees > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > iodine > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It would > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info about > > possible fallout. > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be 43 mg > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I don't > > have lugol's. > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take pills! > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It was iodine with added vitamins and minerals already in it. Can’t tell you for sure that was almost two years ago. May have been a coincidence that the iodine supplements were started the same time of onset of problems but not sure and scared to try again seeing his health issues. He is Gluten/dairy/soy free. We try to stay away from preservatives and no dyes. Low sugar. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of david kenna Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:21 AM iodine Subject: Re: Re: Child dose..kidneys Theresa . I guess when you say you added iodine you mean iodine and the companion nutrients? If so how much C and what type and magnesium what type and how much? From: Theresa <gates78@...> iodine Sent: Sun, 13 March, 2011 0:50:24 Subject: RE: Re: Child dose..kidneys We started to go that route at one point. We gave up on doctors when no specialist we went to could tell me why a 4 year old little boy would have kidney stones like he does. They don’t think they acid or calcium stones and were totally baffled. They are so small that he does pass them after tons of pain but we never catch them so we can investigate further. But going the baking sodium route would make it more likely to form calcium stones which we were not willing to mess with at his age. I do know that it didn’t all start until I added in Iodine and hasn’t stopped yet. So just trying to grasp all the benefits and downfalls and worries and fears and everything involved in helping our family. I might try iodine for my thyroid but not sure I would do my son at this point although I would love to help him as much as I can. I am just leery and that’s why I am here. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of baxrox Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:47 PM iodine Subject: Re: Child dose..kidneys Check out an internet search for 'kidney stones baking soda'. Interesting information has come to light in recent years about the benefits of baking soda for the kidneys, and recently I ran across some info about oxalates & autism and somehow this kind of crossed paths with the baking soda thing but I am not up on all of that. Just passing this along to you to do with whatever you want and because the detox pathways are important for the iodine protocol. Mark Sircus MD also has some posts about kidneys and baking soda. He is an advocate of iodine and is also writing a book for pediatric health care ... perhaps he has a place where you can post a question. > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > > ladybugsandbees > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > iodine > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It would > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info about > > possible fallout. > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be 43 mg > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I don't > > have lugol's. > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take pills! > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 look at low dose naltrexone . dr mccandless has a group of low dose naltrexone for autism. she is the writer of this book. Children With Starving Brains: A Medical Treatment Guide for Autism Spectrum Disorder, Second Edition On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Theresa <gates78@...> wrote: I did check that all out, my son is also autistic and self limits his food. We are lucky to get what food we can in him. He was very toxic and we have gone through two rounds of chelation, biomedical treatment for biofilm in the gut. Although he is doing better with eating he still is limited. Will recheck the low oxalate foods again and see if there is something I can do. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:41 AM iodine Subject: Re: Re: Child dose..kidneys oxalates play a role in kidney stones. http://www.livestrong.com/article/320016-kidney-stone-oxalate-foods/ On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiar with oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be of interest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though it would be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf And, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and begin monitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something you can do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basic urinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test. But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for your son. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods that are high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out that list to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you are aware of. Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track ... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicated for some than others and that's where we end up straying " off topic " a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able to use the iodine protocol. > > >> > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started> > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys> > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine?> > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of> > > ladybugsandbees> > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM> > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would> > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order?> > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND> > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info> about> > > possible fallout.> > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg> > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed.> > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I> don't> > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take> pills!> > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Theresa,Has your son been IGg tested recently? On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:44 PM, "Theresa" <gates78@...> wrote: I did check that all out, my son is also autistic and self limits his food. We are lucky to get what food we can in him. He was very toxic and we have gone through two rounds of chelation, biomedical treatment for biofilm in the gut. Although he is doing better with eating he still is limited. Will recheck the low oxalate foods again and see if there is something I can do. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:41 AM iodine Subject: Re: Re: Child dose..kidneys oxalates play a role in kidney stones. http://www.livestrong.com/article/320016-kidney-stone-oxalate-foods/ On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiar with oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be of interest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though it would be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf And, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and begin monitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something you can do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basic urinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test. But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for your son. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods that are high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out that list to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you are aware of. Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track .... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicated for some than others and that's where we end up straying "off topic" a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able to use the iodine protocol. > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > > ladybugsandbees > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info > about > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I > don't > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take > pills! > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Last time was 1.5 years ago. Gluten (we all have celiac) dairy, soy, coffee, cranberries, oysters, (that’s all I can think of right now off the top of my head) From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of S. McCurdy Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:18 PM iodine Subject: Re: Re: Child dose..kidneys Theresa, Has your son been IGg tested recently? On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:44 PM, " Theresa " <gates78@...> wrote: I did check that all out, my son is also autistic and self limits his food. We are lucky to get what food we can in him. He was very toxic and we have gone through two rounds of chelation, biomedical treatment for biofilm in the gut. Although he is doing better with eating he still is limited. Will recheck the low oxalate foods again and see if there is something I can do. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:41 AM iodine Subject: Re: Re: Child dose..kidneys oxalates play a role in kidney stones. http://www.livestrong.com/article/320016-kidney-stone-oxalate-foods/ On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiar with oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be of interest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though it would be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf And, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and begin monitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something you can do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basic urinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test. But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for your son. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods that are high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out that list to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you are aware of. Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track .... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicated for some than others and that's where we end up straying " off topic " a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able to use the iodine protocol. > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and he started > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about every three > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weak kidneys > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > > ladybugsandbees > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it that way. It > would > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info > about > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be > 43 mg > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I > don't > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take > pills! > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 My brain is fairly unreliable these days but I do believe oxalates occur in uncooked vegetables. They suggest that one not drink the water that the vegetables are cooked in because the oxalates go into the water. Joan > > > > > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and > > he started > > > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about > > every three > > > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have > > weak kidneys > > > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: iodine > > <mailto:iodine%40> <mailto:iodine%40 > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40 > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> ] On Behalf > > > Of > > > > > ladybugsandbees > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40 <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it > > that way. It > > > would > > > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I > > recieved info > > > about > > > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs > > old would be > > > 43 mg > > > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets > > since I > > > don't > > > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who > > won't take > > > pills! > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Theresa,If he is eating a limited diet, there's a big chance that he has become intolerant to something that he is eating often. I had my entire family IGg tested last year, and again this year. Everyone improved, except my special needs son who self limits his food. He came out intolerant to the things that he ate most of the time. I removed those things, and he is eating a wider variety of foods. He still has a long way to go though. :-/We also did the Organix Urine test and a stool test. My son does not have a problem with oxalates, but I know several people that have found relief on the low oxalate diet.Hugs to you. Your son is very fortunate to have such a diligent Momma.On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:22 PM, "Theresa" <gates78@...> wrote: Last time was 1.5 years ago. Gluten (we all have celiac) dairy, soy,coffee, cranberries, oysters, (that’s all I can think of right nowoff the top of my head) From:iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of S. McCurdySent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:18PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Childdose..kidneys Theresa,Has your son been IGg tested recently? On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:44 PM, "Theresa" <gates78@...> wrote: I did check that all out, my son is also autistic and self limitshis food. We are lucky to get what food we can in him. He was very toxic and we have gone through two rounds of chelation,biomedical treatment for biofilm in the gut. Although he is doingbetter with eating he still is limited. Will recheck the low oxalate foodsagain and see if there is something I can do. Theresa From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of idozahaviSent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:41AMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Childdose..kidneys oxalates play arole in kidney stones. http://www.livestrong.com/article/320016-kidney-stone-oxalate-foods/On Sun, Mar 13,2011 at 5:33 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote: You didn't indicate whether or not you are familiarwith oxalates, especially in regards to autism. This article should be ofinterest to you and the Organic Acid Test that they offer seems as though itwould be very important in your sons case: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdfAnd, perhaps you could obtain some Chemstrips, like Chemstrip 9, and beginmonitoring his urine yourself - that will give you a start with something youcan do at home. Then perhaps if you could find a way to get at least a basicurinalysis like what is described here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/urine-test.But I think the Organic Acid Test is the most important first step for yourson. There is also a Low Oxalates Diet website that gives lists of foods thatare high in oxalates or create oxalates in the body so you might check out thatlist to see if any of those foods cause problems for your son that you areaware of.Your interest in iodine benefitting you and your family is on the right track... it's just that finding a path to getting on the track is more complicatedfor some than others and that's where we end up straying "off topic"a bit in order to attempt to help others overcome their obstacles to be able touse the iodine protocol.> > >> > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and hestarted> > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about everythree> > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have weakkidneys> > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine?> > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40>> [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40>] On Behalf> Of> > > ladybugsandbees> > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM> > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40>> > > Subject: Re: Child dose..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it thatway. It> would> > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order?> > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND> > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recievedinfo> about> > > possible fallout.> > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs oldwould be> 43 mg> > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed.> > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tabletssince I> don't> > > have lugol's.> > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won'ttake> pills!> > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Joan, 's argument wasn't about the existence of oxalates in a cooked or uncooked vegetable such as spinach -- he assumed (correctly, I think) presence in both. However, he believed the unheated oxalates did only good things for the body (such as encouraging peristalis in the digestive track) and the uncooked did damage (such as the creation of kidney stones). On 3/13/2011 7:52 PM, coloredoctave wrote: My brain is fairly unreliable these days but I do believe oxalates occur in uncooked vegetables. They suggest that one not drink the water that the vegetables are cooked in because the oxalates go into the water. Joan > > > > > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and > > he started > > > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about > > every three > > > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have > > weak kidneys > > > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: iodine > > <mailto:iodine%40> <mailto:iodine%40 > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40 > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> ] On Behalf > > > Of > > > > > ladybugsandbees > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40 <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it > > that way. It > > > would > > > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I > > recieved info > > > about > > > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs > > old would be > > > 43 mg > > > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets > > since I > > > don't > > > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who > > won't take > > > pills! > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 , 's argument wasn't about the existence of oxalates in a cooked or > uncooked vegetable such as spinach -- he assumed (correctly, I think) Abstract Approximately 75% of all kidney stones are composed primarily of calcium oxalate, and hyperoxaluria is a primary risk factor for this disorder. Nine types of raw and cooked vegetables were analyzed for oxalate using an enzymatic method. There was a high proportion of water-soluble oxalate in most of the tested raw vegetables. Boiling markedly reduced soluble oxalate content by 30 & #8722;87% and was more effective than steaming (5 & #8722;53%) and baking (used only for potatoes, no oxalate loss). An assessment of the oxalate content of cooking water used for boiling and steaming revealed an approximately 100% recovery of oxalate losses. The losses of insoluble oxalate during cooking varied greatly, ranging from 0 to 74%. Because soluble sources of oxalate appear to be better absorbed than insoluble sources, employing cooking methods that significantly reduce soluble oxalate may be an effective strategy for decreasing oxaluria in individuals predisposed to the development of kidney stones. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf048128d I wish my brain worked better because I've read about kidney stones recently but can't remember where. I think oxalates is not the reason for kidney stones. It might make them worse once the condition has started but there is another metabolic cause. Sorry, I can't produce anything to verify that. I am in the soup camp these days, try to eat as much homemade soup as possible. Soup aids digestion, especially homemade bone broths. The advantage to reading everything, all points of view, is one comes to the conclusion that we are supposed to eat everything, cooked and raw. How one does that depends on what their bodies need, for example, if you have lyme, you want to eat phytates, otherwise one should try to avoid phytates. I'm not going to continue posting to this thread but I would like to say is this subject is far too complex to just focus on oxalates. If I were allergic to them, I would get some NMT (NeuroModulation Technique) or BodyTalk to overcome the allergy. DE or activated charcoal could be an option to encourage peristalis if peristalis is the real problem. I know someone who kid's villi didn't work properly because of a neurological problem. It wouldn't be a good thing to overdose on oxalates if there were another underlying problem. I don't know the full story but something sounds out of whack to me. Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I tried iodine on my son about a year ago (autistic) and > > > > he started > > > > > > > having kidney stones. Now he has them continuously about > > > > every three > > > > > > > months. So I am leary about iodine very much. I also have > > > > weak kidneys > > > > > > > any thoughts on the kidneys and iodine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > > > <mailto:iodine%40> <mailto:iodine%40 > > > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > > > [mailto:iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40> > > > > <mailto:iodine%40 > > > > <mailto:iodine%2540>> ] On Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > ladybugsandbees > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:48 AM > > > > > > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40> > > <mailto:iodine%40> > > > > <mailto:iodine%40 <mailto:iodine%2540>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I crushed them in applesauce and had my 4 yr old take it > > > > that way. It > > > > > would > > > > > > > be easier with drops but.... Can you get some on order? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buist, ND > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child dose.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I > > > > recieved info > > > > > about > > > > > > > possible fallout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs > > > > old would be > > > > > 43 mg > > > > > > > every 24 hrs till danger is passed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets > > > > since I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > have lugol's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who > > > > won't take > > > > > pills! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and God Bless, Patti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yes, Joan you are correct, kidney stones do have another metabolic cause. Conns disease (which is high aldosterone secretion from the adrenals) causes kidney stones. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We're doing a low-oxalate diet right now and my 4 y.o. autistic daughter is passing oxalates by the loads. She had one day when her urine was cloudy for a few days and I almost fell on the floor when I shone I flashlight up to her potty (I was actually looking for the bigger oxalate bits that she'd been passing) and discovered that the cloudiness in her urine was actually millions of very fine white crystals! Oxalates are also coming out in her urine in the form of slightly larger reddish-brown bits. We've seen some pretty good gains from doing low oxalates (it seems to be helping to lift my daughter's apraxia). From what I understood of 's post in the Trying_Low_Oxalates group, I gathered that the relationship between iodine and oxalates is that when the oxalates move out of cells, it allows iodine to move in. I know I'm oversimplifying it and missing some details about how it happens. When cells are full of oxalates, iodine can't get in? Or something along those lines. Vit C supplements are also known to convert to oxalates inside cells, so if there's an oxalate problem, Vit C supps might aggrevate the oxalate problem more? For this reason, I stopped supplementing Vit C. I've heard that quercetin is another oxalate-friendly antioxidant that people with oxalate issues can use. Arginine is known to relieve some of the pain during oxalate dumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Am I understanding this correctly? By doing a low oxalate diet will get the body to pass oxalates? Or is there something else you are doing in conjunction with the diet? A cleanse...... Iodine..... Re: Re: Child dose..kidneys We're doing a low-oxalate diet right now and my 4 y.o. autistic daughter is passing oxalates by the loads. She had one day when her urine was cloudy for a few days and I almost fell on the floor when I shone I flashlight up to her potty (I was actually looking for the bigger oxalate bits that she'd been passing) and discovered that the cloudiness in her urine was actually millions of very fine white crystals! Oxalates are also coming out in her urine in the form of slightly larger reddish-brown bits. We've seen some pretty good gains from doing low oxalates (it seems to be helping to lift my daughter's apraxia).From what I understood of 's post in the Trying_Low_Oxalates group, I gathered that the relationship between iodine and oxalates is that when the oxalates move out of cells, it allows iodine to move in. I know I'm oversimplifying it and missing some details about how it happens. When cells are full of oxalates, iodine can't get in? Or something along those lines. Vit C supplements are also known to convert to oxalates inside cells, so if there's an oxalate problem, Vit C supps might aggrevate the oxalate problem more? For this reason, I stopped supplementing Vit C. I've heard that quercetin is another oxalate-friendly antioxidant that people with oxalate issues can use. Arginine is known to relieve some of the pain during oxalate dumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 This was discussed at the Iodine professional conference I attended. I only remember that the potassium in Iodoral is very low and I don't believe there was a concern for kidney issues. I can check with a doctor or two that uses it to see if there is consensus. Buist, ND Child dose.. Thank you for all the info...this is the first place I recieved info about possible fallout. I understand that a dose of Iodoral for a child 2 1/2 yrs old would be 43 mg every 24 hrs till danger is passed. My question is how do I get my grandaughter to take tablets since I don't have lugol's. Does anyone please have creative ways to dose children who won't take pills! Thank you and God Bless, Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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