Calcium

[Guest guest]

I use a lot of cream to increase my calcium . For whatever reason, it doesn't

bother me and makes everything taste better too. I don't like yogurt, so haven't

any experience with eating it

regularly. You might try eating it every third day and see if that eliminates

the spacey/fatigue feeling.

I also use a lot of butter, which is concentrated cream. Butter is effective

against the herpes virus and also is a good source of A and D.

Merle

~ ~ wrote:

> Merle,

> It's interesting you point out you can't tolerate calcium . I make my own

> yogurt and it maeks me spacey and very fatigued. I could not figure this

> out but since i've learned about calcium and phosphates, I'm wondering if

> it's teh calcium in the yogurt that is bothering me.

>

[Guest guest]

Merle,

Is butter okay with lactose allergy? Thanks.Nil

Re: Calcium

|

|

| I use a lot of cream to increase my calcium . For whatever reason, it

doesn't bother me and makes everything taste better too. I don't like

yogurt, so haven't any experience with eating it

| regularly. You might try eating it every third day and see if that

eliminates the spacey/fatigue feeling.

|

| I also use a lot of butter, which is concentrated cream. Butter is

effective against the herpes virus and also is a good source of A and D.

|

| Merle

|

| ~ ~ wrote:

|

| > Merle,

| > It's interesting you point out you can't tolerate calcium . I make my

own

| > yogurt and it maeks me spacey and very fatigued. I could not figure

this

| > out but since i've learned about calcium and phosphates, I'm wondering

if

| > it's teh calcium in the yogurt that is bothering me.

| >

|

|

|

| This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

|

|

[Guest guest]

I don't know if I have a phosphate-calcium problem and can't even tell you the

scientific explanation behind taking Calc.Phos. except that it works.

Merle

~ ~ wrote:

> Hi Merle,

> If you do have a phosphate-calcium problem, why are you trying to get more

> calcium?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi KC,

I teach my patients to avoid the carbonate when possible. To use the carriers

of citrate, orotate, aspartate and/or gluconate.

The two types of powdered Calcium I recommend are from Enrich International

(now called Unicity since Rexall bought them out a year ago)...you can reach

them at 801-226-6232. This is the peach flavored one.

The tangy, fizzy, lemony one is from Highland Labs in Mt Angel, Oregon,

503-845-9223.

Both are excellent powders; After I provide the lesson about calcium (which

I do on a patient';s third visit, we give them a taste of each so they can

chose their favorite. This tact has worked wonders for getting compliance

with taking the calcium.

Sunny ;'-)))

[Guest guest]

hi Penny and all -

I have osteoporosis too, fairly severe for someone my age :{ , my doc suggested

2-AEP Calcium which is actually supposed to get into the cells (some recent

studies have shown that calcium supplementation doesn't seem to help

osteoporosis, perhaps because most forms don't actually get into the cells) +

ipriflavone + boron. I get all of that fron NEEDS, your local vitamin store may

carry it, none of its too expensive. Won't know how well its worked till I have

another bone scan, will post to the list when I do. He also suggested I take

calcium and magnesium separately - the calcium at bedtime, the mag during the

day.

Judith

> | I'm confused on calcium myself. I know I'm magnesium deficient, as

> | many PWCs are, and I know that magnesium and calcium are antagonists,

> | and should usually be taken together, to prevent the depletion of

> | either. Since I'm magnesium deficient, I've always thought that

> | perhaps I was more or less okay with the calcium, although I'm not so

> | confident on that. (My hair analysis said I was deficient in every

> | mineral.) Dr. Franco did notice some bone loss on my xrays (the least

> | of my worries). But he prescribed a magnesium supplement with malic

> | acid, which I knew I could use (he didn't even know if the product he

> | was selling was glycinate or some other type, and I know that

> | glycinate is probably best for most of us).

> |

> | Anyway, what I'm trying to get to is calcium is very difficult to

> | absorb. You need something else with it (which I can't recall at the

> | moment - possibly A, D, and C) for the body to assimilate it.

> | I think this is one reason people are loving coral calcium, it's

> | easily absorbed, and they're getting the immediate effects of

> | addressing a deficiency. Kind of like taking magnesium when you have

> | muscle spasms, and the spasms subside. Many seem to feel rapidly

> | improved when taking the Coral calcium.

> |

> | Unfortunately, I'm very wary of it because it comes from coral. And

> | the algae that the ciguatoxin comes from likes to live on that coral.

> | I read an abstract talking about the connection with coral reefs and

> | ciquatoxin poisoning, and it makes me very wary of getting my calcium

> | this way. The risk may be minimal, but I would need to know a lot

> | more before trying it.

> |

> | If you learn anything, please share it with us, as I'm as confused as

> | you are about calcium.

> |

> | The Nutrition Almanac by Kirschman and Kirschman is a really

> | excellent resource on nutrients and their role in the body and

> | disease.

> |

> | penny

> |

> |

> |

> | >

> | > HA! Ha! I can relate! And on that subject I would like a link or

> | input from

> | > anyone on taking calcium supplements. I take magnesium and eat a

> | lot of

> | > cheese and nuts. My new doc, a DO, thinks I need calcium too. Any

> | input

> | > would be appreciated.

> | > a

> |

> |

> | This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> |

> |

[Guest guest]

Very strange,

The article I read was saying that Cal should be taken in day time whilst

mag at bedtime??These contradictions are really frustrating.

Nil

Re: calcium

| hi Penny and all -

|

| I have osteoporosis too, fairly severe for someone my age :{ , my doc

suggested 2-AEP Calcium which is actually supposed to get into the cells

(some recent studies have shown that calcium supplementation doesn't seem to

help osteoporosis, perhaps because most forms don't actually get into the

cells) + ipriflavone + boron. I get all of that fron NEEDS, your local

vitamin store may carry it, none of its too expensive. Won't know how well

its worked till I have another bone scan, will post to the list when I do.

He also suggested I take calcium and magnesium separately - the calcium at

bedtime, the mag during the day.

|

| Judith

|

| > | I'm confused on calcium myself. I know I'm magnesium deficient, as

| > | many PWCs are, and I know that magnesium and calcium are antagonists,

| > | and should usually be taken together, to prevent the depletion of

| > | either. Since I'm magnesium deficient, I've always thought that

| > | perhaps I was more or less okay with the calcium, although I'm not so

| > | confident on that. (My hair analysis said I was deficient in every

| > | mineral.) Dr. Franco did notice some bone loss on my xrays (the least

| > | of my worries). But he prescribed a magnesium supplement with malic

| > | acid, which I knew I could use (he didn't even know if the product he

| > | was selling was glycinate or some other type, and I know that

| > | glycinate is probably best for most of us).

| > |

| > | Anyway, what I'm trying to get to is calcium is very difficult to

| > | absorb. You need something else with it (which I can't recall at the

| > | moment - possibly A, D, and C) for the body to assimilate it.

| > | I think this is one reason people are loving coral calcium, it's

| > | easily absorbed, and they're getting the immediate effects of

| > | addressing a deficiency. Kind of like taking magnesium when you have

| > | muscle spasms, and the spasms subside. Many seem to feel rapidly

| > | improved when taking the Coral calcium.

| > |

| > | Unfortunately, I'm very wary of it because it comes from coral. And

| > | the algae that the ciguatoxin comes from likes to live on that coral.

| > | I read an abstract talking about the connection with coral reefs and

| > | ciquatoxin poisoning, and it makes me very wary of getting my calcium

| > | this way. The risk may be minimal, but I would need to know a lot

| > | more before trying it.

| > |

| > | If you learn anything, please share it with us, as I'm as confused as

| > | you are about calcium.

| > |

| > | The Nutrition Almanac by Kirschman and Kirschman is a really

| > | excellent resource on nutrients and their role in the body and

| > | disease.

| > |

| > | penny

| > |

| > |

| > |

| > | >

| > | > HA! Ha! I can relate! And on that subject I would like a link or

| > | input from

| > | > anyone on taking calcium supplements. I take magnesium and eat a

| > | lot of

| > | > cheese and nuts. My new doc, a DO, thinks I need calcium too. Any

| > | input

| > | > would be appreciated.

| > | > a

| > |

| > |

| > | This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

| > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

| > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

| > |

| > |

[Guest guest]

In addition, now I am thinking some of us should not take calcium at all. There

can be problems with the calcium not going into the bones but instead hardening

the arteries. There was a lot about this in recent LEF magazine issues

(lef.org). Vitamin K was one thing that is needed for the calcium to go into

bones, but some of us are trying to thin blood which reduces vitamin K.

Thanks,

Doris

[Guest guest]

I take one pill a day. (The bottle says to take three a day.) I believe

what we are doing with BFL causes some ketosis which supposedly leaches

calcium from the bones. (Feel free to correct me anyone.) Weight bearing

exercises strengthen the bones, so maybe it all evens out.

-Shaun

Calcium

Are you guys taking supplements? I do drink milk with my shakes. I

am still nursing, so I want to get as much Ca as possible. i also

have the sugar free yogart. Cottage cheese, is very low in Ca so I

don't consider it a source. I think I am going to start taking a

supplement of Ca.

[Guest guest]

I take Tums, 2-3 a day at intervals. It's only 10-15 cals and it

provides 900 mg. of calcium (that's in addition to the s-f yogurt I

eat; I rarely drink milk).

> Are you guys taking supplements? I do drink milk with my shakes.

I

> am still nursing, so I want to get as much Ca as possible. i also

> have the sugar free yogart. Cottage cheese, is very low in Ca so I

> don't consider it a source. I think I am going to start taking a

> supplement of Ca.

[Guest guest]

I love those little Viactiv calcium chews. I had a very hard time remembering to

take calcium when I used the giant horse pills. When my calcium is in a small

bite of chocolate, I never forget it. :-)

Calcium

Are you guys taking supplements? I do drink milk with my shakes. I

am still nursing, so I want to get as much Ca as possible. i also

have the sugar free yogart. Cottage cheese, is very low in Ca so I

don't consider it a source. I think I am going to start taking a

supplement of Ca.

[Guest guest]

Me too, me too! I love those little things!

Laurie

Calcium

Are you guys taking supplements? I do drink milk with my shakes. I

am still nursing, so I want to get as much Ca as possible. i also

have the sugar free yogart. Cottage cheese, is very low in Ca so I

don't consider it a source. I think I am going to start taking a

supplement of Ca.

[Guest guest]

It's real chocolate, not dog appropriate. I think they make caramel and orange

flavor ones too though.

Re: Calcium

Do they have real chocolate in them or just artificial

chocolate flavoring? I'm looking for an alternative

for my dog who has to take a calcium supplement, but

who is not particularly fond of her giant horse pills.

--- Skwigg <skwigg@...> wrote:

> I love those little Viactiv calcium chews. I had a

> very hard time remembering to take calcium when I

> used the giant horse pills. When my calcium is in a

> small bite of chocolate, I never forget it. :-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/18/2003 6:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time,

moobabies@... writes:

>

> Also...I like what Marta does...she takes calcium citrate but

> suppliments through the day with tums. That way she is getting the

> best of what each type has to offer and something should absorb!

>

> Jo

>

>

Jo...I'm using just Tums, and My PTH went down to normal after my DS

revision! So that means I'm utilizing my calcium better than with my

RNY...Right??

Another plus for the Ds over RNY!

in Bama

http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html

Surgery- RNY to DS revision on12/6 -377.5

12/17 - 346.5 ( minus 31lbs)

02/12-330.0 (minus 47.5 lbs)

05/12- 304.8 (minus 72.7 lbs)-BMI now 48

06/22- 290.8 (minus 86.7)BMI 46.

[Guest guest]

My question is if anyone knows how much time should pass between

taking each capsule to get maximum absorbtion? Jo Ann M.

========================

Jo Ann

A couple hours should be ok.

Might I make a suggestion. Test your current calcium to see how

long it takes to desolve...if it is taking longer that 30 min. to

desolve in a cup of water it may not be breaking down enough for you

to absorb it. Perhaps a different brand would give you better

results.

Also...I like what Marta does...she takes calcium citrate but

suppliments through the day with tums. That way she is getting the

best of what each type has to offer and something should absorb!

Jo

[Guest guest]

> guys, you can only absorb about 500 mgs of calcium at once,

anyway,

> so the reason you eat more is so it can bind with oxalate in the

gut

> thereby preventing absorption of oxalate. If the oxalate is

> absorbed, it can then bind with calcium in the kidneys and form

> stones. Then you will be sorry.

>

> Personally, I have crystals in my urine. When I found that out I

> quit eating oxalate containing foods. I mean, I will eat only one

> strawberry, for example. I barely drink tea. Never drink ice tea

> in restaurants nowadays. Have changed to safe margaritas.

>

> Marta

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

LOL, you go girl,have a great weekend!!!!

and by the way get to work,and where are you today???

Never mind I am getting off until later tonite.Have a great one

Pat

I have gone back to my stinkin water again..LOL

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:04:26 -0000, Marta S. wrote:

>Have changed to safe margaritas.

Marta,

Yeah, right!! Bet they're strawberry margaritas. LOL

Jerry

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:04:26 -0000, Marta S. wrote:

>guys, you can only absorb about 500 mgs of calcium at once, anyway,

>so the reason you eat more is so it can bind with oxalate in the gut

>thereby preventing absorption of oxalate.

Marta..

Does that mean I should start taking extra calcium when I drink my iced

tea? I'm supposed to take the calcium between meals anyway, which is when

I drink most of the tea. (Now I'm starting to sound like a teenager trying

to rationalize not doing something.) LOL

Jerry

[Guest guest]

> guys, you can only absorb about 500 mgs of calcium at once,

anyway,

> so the reason you eat more is so it can bind with oxalate in the

gut

> thereby preventing absorption of oxalate. If the oxalate is

> absorbed, it can then bind with calcium in the kidneys and form

> stones. Then you will be sorry.

>

> Personally, I have crystals in my urine. When I found that out I

> quit eating oxalate containing foods. I mean, I will eat only one

> strawberry, for example. I barely drink tea. Never drink ice tea

> in restaurants nowadays. Have changed to safe margaritas.

>

> Marta

*********************************************

we are supposed to take calcium on an empty tummy right??

vicki

[Guest guest]

> guys, you can only absorb about 500 mgs of calcium at once,

anyway,

> so the reason you eat more is so it can bind with oxalate in the

gut

> thereby preventing absorption of oxalate. If the oxalate is

> absorbed, it can then bind with calcium in the kidneys and form

> stones. Then you will be sorry.

>

> Personally, I have crystals in my urine. When I found that out I

> quit eating oxalate containing foods. I mean, I will eat only one

> strawberry, for example. I barely drink tea. Never drink ice tea

> in restaurants nowadays. Have changed to safe margaritas.

>

> Marta

****************************

i always take viactive- yummy stuff. is that ok to take as my only

source (plus whats in food and my multi)

vicki

[Guest guest]

> UH OH - I've been taking my two calcium tablets together in the

morning - with my multivitaman - is this wrong? Not on an empty

stomach either... Tell me more please

Kim,

YOu have to separate the doses into three times per day. I take

them whenever, better to take them with food than not at all.

Marta

[Guest guest]

--- In , Seattle Lady >

> That reminds me, I need to get more calcium. Anyone have any

wisdom to share on the different kinds? Calcium carbonate and

calcium citrate, I

> think. Help!

>

I did some research last summer when hubby was having some awful leg

cramps at work. All of the web sites I checked for leg cramps

recommended Calcium Citrate over Calcium Carbonate. It's also much

more expensive

Colleen

[Guest guest]

> But of course!

>

> Did the stuff you read mention stuff about bone health? Is the

citrate

> better for that, too?

I believe it said that the calcium citrate was absorbed and used

better by the body. I got the impression that overall it is the

better one to use so we end up spending the extra money.

Colleen

[Guest guest]

,

I just talked to a Dr. Helpner from Laboratories (412-278-6732) yesterday because we are making a calcium preparation to sell in our office. I asked him about the hydroxyappetite, and he said there are very limited studies (more so with helping build up bone mass after surgery). I talked about our population, and he recommended another calcium preparation without hydroxyappetite. No one is certain of the absorption rates of hydroxyappetite because of limited data. The old standard may have to keep working (calcium citrate/malate).

Hope that helps.

Kate Alie, M.S., R.D., L.D.

Calcium

Hi All,

Just checking to see if anyone is familiar with "MCHC Calcium"...that is microcrystalline hydroxyapatite calcium.

A patient came in to see me today and has switched to taking 300mg of this type of calcium because "my

pharmacist says it's the best absorbed."

thanks,

M. Roy, RD, LD St. 's/Duluth Clinic Health System 400 East Third Street Duluth, MN 55805 (218) 786-3143

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[Guest guest]

I suggest checking w/the pharmacist. I've not heard of this specific type. But, the feeling our pharmacists have is that it is more important to spread the supplements out during the day than to be concerned about which type of calcium is taken.

Kim Knopp

[Guest guest]

I recommend CitraCal or Bariatric Advantage calcium citrate for my bypass and just the store brand for my lap band patients.

Jerry Elizondo RD LD

"Gundermann, " <LGunderm@...> wrote:

Do you encourage your patients to take only calcium citrate? If so, what brands do you recommend. I have seen most typical supplement in the drug store are carbonate or a mixture with no % of which type calcium they contribute. I am curious what others are doing.

TIA

Gundermann RD, CDE

Manager of Clinical Nutrition Services

Good Samaritan Hospital

Bon Secours Charity Health System

(845) 368 - 5016

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