Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Why take prescription when there are plenty of over the counter that work? There have been discussions in the past about flush/flushless kinds of niacin, but I can’t remember exactly. The ATP co-factors are really good, and you can take it without a prescription. Donna in IL I just noticed the support protocol calls for 2 x 500 mg of B 3. If I do more than 1 Niaspan FCT 500 mg I get that annoying flush. Oddly, I don't get it all over.. just on my forehead. Its a prescription drug and I'll need to talk to my doctor about it.Be well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Hello Donna, I am on Niaspan because my bad cholesterol ( LDL ) is a bit high. If I need to take more Niacin I am hoping to get more of the cholesterol lowering benefit as well as the Iodine supporting role. I know from reading up on Niaspan and from what my doctor has told me that it has been research proven to lower LDL and to increase HDL. I am not familiar with the inositol hexanicotinate form of niacin. Apparently it would function as a support to Iodine, however, I am not sure it would improve my LDL numbers. If possible, I prefer to get the additional benefit of cholesterol control. That said the convenience of ATP Cofactors certainly is a plus. It would be even more convenient if all of the support nutrients were available in one product. Be well, > > Why take prescription when there are plenty of over the counter that work? There have been discussions in the past about flush/flushless kinds of niacin, but I can't remember exactly. The ATP co-factors are really good, and you can take it without a prescription. > > Donna in IL > > > I just noticed the support protocol calls for 2 x 500 mg of B 3. If I do more than 1 Niaspan FCT 500 mg I get that annoying flush. Oddly, I don't get it all over.. just on my forehead. Its a prescription drug and I'll need to talk to my doctor about it. > > Be well, > > ________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 ,You might want to look up Dr and his HeartScan blog. He is a cardiologist who uses over the counter niacin, D3 and Omega 3 to lower LDL particle size. I vaguely recall he does not recommend the inositol hexanicotinate form as being adequate for LDL purposes, but you would want to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 , HeartScan has lots of the kind of information I am looking for. I will read his articles regarding Iodine, D3, Fish Oils and Naicin with great interest. My C reactive protein number is high because of my cholesterol. I am at high risk for coronary complications and need to make the right decisions. Thank you very much ! > > , > > You might want to look up Dr and his HeartScan blog. He > is a cardiologist who uses over the counter niacin, D3 and Omega 3 to > lower LDL particle size. I vaguely recall he does not recommend the > inositol hexanicotinate form as being adequate for LDL purposes, but > you would want to check. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 What is in Niaspan? It is nicotinic acid, otherwise called niacin prepared so that is " controlled release " . It is exactly the same as the nicotinic acid that is in what you can buy at a health food store, which also can be bought in a " sustained release " version. In each case, I am sure they just coat it for slow down the release. I have pointed out that Niaspan sells for about $227.66 for a bottle of 90, 500 mg, while health food store niacin sells for about $5.99 for the same quantity and dose, over a $200 difference for the same thing. Only the nicotinic acid form of niacin combats high blood fats and dilates blood vessels. This is why niacin from nicotinic acid gives you a flush. Nicotinamide, niacinamide, and inositol hexanicotinate should be avoided if you want an effect on blood fat. Some people don't like the temporary rush you get from nicotinic acid or Niaspan, but that is a small price to pay for the benefit; don't take it on an empty stomach. At one time eye doctors prescribed a vitamin/mineral combination of iodine and niacin to relieve vascular pressure in eyes. So if you are convinced that you need to reduce cholesterol, a questionable conclusion, then iodine and nicotinin acid are much safer and as effective as the statin drugs, and the health food store version is unbelievably cheaper than the prescription version, Niaspan. As far as high cholesterol being a problem, I think the medical establishment has it all wrong, anyway. Why is it that 40% to 60% of the people who are admitted to hospitals with major hear attacks have normal cholesterol levels? Here are two very enlightening articles discussing the cholesterol / big pharma blooper: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/masterjohn1.html http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi69.html > > > > Why take prescription when there are plenty of over the counter that work? There have been discussions in the past about flush/flushless kinds of niacin, but I can't remember exactly. The ATP co-factors are really good, and you can take it without a prescription. > > > > Donna in IL > > > > > > I just noticed the support protocol calls for 2 x 500 mg of B 3. If I do more than 1 Niaspan FCT 500 mg I get that annoying flush. Oddly, I don't get it all over.. just on my forehead. Its a prescription drug and I'll need to talk to my doctor about it. > > > > Be well, > > > > ________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Thank you for the informative post ! For sure, doctors want cholesterol levels to be within a certain range considered " safe " . This is especially true for a person like myself who has had a cardiac " event " . (Not a heart attack.. just a kind of serious warning type of incident.) I did tell my doc that I didn't want to take statins and so Niacin was prescripted.. specifically Niaspan FCT... the latest version of Niaspan. I read that Niaspan has been proven to lower bad cholesterol and improve good cholesterol. As a huge plus, it does not have the aches and pains in muscles side-effects that statins can potentially have. I am particularly fond of the idea that Niaspan improves good cholesterol. Mine should be higher. Quitting wheat consumption may help. I read that yesterday. Also, winter or not, I definitely need to get with an exercise program to get my HDL number up. Thanks again for the excellent post, All of the best, > > > > > > Why take prescription when there are plenty of over the counter that work? There have been discussions in the past about flush/flushless kinds of niacin, but I can't remember exactly. The ATP co-factors are really good, and you can take it without a prescription. > > > > > > Donna in IL > > > > > > > > > I just noticed the support protocol calls for 2 x 500 mg of B 3. If I do more than 1 Niaspan FCT 500 mg I get that annoying flush. Oddly, I don't get it all over.. just on my forehead. Its a prescription drug and I'll need to talk to my doctor about it. > > > > > > Be well, > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Hi , This is my first post, mostly I've been lurking to see where the discussions go and if I can help, and it turns out that I can. My mother was prescribed Niaspan, which her prescription drug coverage does not cover because it is considered a supplement rather than a drug, and those who say it is simply a time-release form of niacin are absolutely correct. Since Niaspan is so expensive, we get her time-release Niacin 500 mg capsules from Puritan's Pride for a MUCH more reasonable price. We've been doing this for at least 2 years and her cholesterol is actually better than it was on Niaspan. She has also added eating oats to her diet, but the change in her numbers when she began that was relatively small compared to the switch from Niaspan to OTC time-release Niacin. Anecdotal evidence, certainly, but an example that shows the OTC can be every bit as helpful even if you have had a cardiac event (she has; she has also had a triple bypass). I hope the info helps. Deb On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:27 AM, <r_long@...> wrote: > > > > Thank you for the informative post ! For sure, doctors want cholesterol levels to be within a certain range considered " safe " . This is especially true for a person like myself who has had a cardiac " event " . (Not a heart attack.. just a kind of serious warning type of incident.) I did tell my doc that I didn't want to take statins and so Niacin was prescripted.. specifically Niaspan FCT... the latest version of Niaspan. I read that Niaspan has been proven to lower bad cholesterol and improve good cholesterol. As a huge plus, it does not have the aches and pains in muscles side-effects that statins can potentially have. > > I am particularly fond of the idea that Niaspan improves good cholesterol. Mine should be higher. Quitting wheat consumption may help. I read that yesterday. Also, winter or not, I definitely need to get with an exercise program to get my HDL number up. > > Thanks again for the excellent post, > > All of the best, > -- Who wants to play trivia? Come check out the monthly Fullmetal Trivia tournament! www.funtrivia.com/private/main.cfm?tid=96820 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Hello Deb, Since looking into increasing niacin to the level suggested for the iodine protocol I have learned some interesting information about B3 (niacin). Deb, I fully agree if a less expensive alternative is available and produces the same, or, as is the case for your mom, even better results, then its the best choice. I will visit the Puritan Pride site to look for the niacin you are referring to. Thank you for sharing that information. Increasing good cholesterol is a big plus and I am quite interested in the forms of niacin that do that. As for the role of Niacin in the Iodine protocol I'm not sure how that works. I will follow what the experts suggest in that regard tho. Niacin has an interesting history. Apparently the founder of AA, on the advice of a physician, began to consume it and had favorable results with other issues. Deb, thank you for sharing your experience. I wish you and your mom (and all your family)lots of good health in the New Year. > > > > > > > > Thank you for the informative post ! For sure, doctors want cholesterol levels to be within a certain range considered " safe " . This is especially true for a person like myself who has had a cardiac " event " . (Not a heart attack.. just a kind of serious warning type of incident.) I did tell my doc that I didn't want to take statins and so Niacin was prescripted.. specifically Niaspan FCT... the latest version of Niaspan. I read that Niaspan has been proven to lower bad cholesterol and improve good cholesterol. As a huge plus, it does not have the aches and pains in muscles side-effects that statins can potentially have. > > > > I am particularly fond of the idea that Niaspan improves good cholesterol. Mine should be higher. Quitting wheat consumption may help. I read that yesterday. Also, winter or not, I definitely need to get with an exercise program to get my HDL number up. > > > > Thanks again for the excellent post, > > > > All of the best, > > > > > -- > Who wants to play trivia? > Come check out the monthly Fullmetal Trivia tournament! > www.funtrivia.com/private/main.cfm?tid=96820 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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