Re: Re: congested liver and iodine

January 11, 2011

Haha no worries. Everyone here agrees it stinks that we can't just find any doctor on the corner to help us through this. I never did a full liver cleanse, but I do take supplements to support my liver. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW1052/ItemDetail Basically, try the iodine and back off as you encounter detox that's beyond what you feel like dealing with.

Also, the salt and vitamin C for the Iodine Protocol is supposed to help heal your adrenals, too. ~WOn Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:24 PM, hardrockshoney <sandralhowie@...> wrote:

Oh sorry I forgot in my self indulgent rant to say thanks for your feedback .

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> > Hello and happy new year to all,

> > I am on NTH and HC(trying to lower from 40) but not iodine (yet) and have

> > suspected for a while now I might have a congested liver and am also

> > recently experienced edema 2 x's (stopped my sea salt and it went away) so

> > not sure if kidney issue too.

> > As iodine detoxes would it be advisable for me to make sure that I my liver

> > is optimium as well as my kidneys before I start.

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> > tx

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January 11, 2011

You won't be able to detox if you don't work on cleansing the body. I've been on that group for a very long time, it wouldn't be the one I went to for detoxing advice.LinnOn Jan 11, 2011, at 4:24 PM, hardrockshoney wrote:

It is all so conflicting to me. I am on Cortef and am told to not do any cleanses by the adrenal group. How can I ever right my body, detox, take iodine etc if one step always prevents the next step. How can the adrenals heal if the body is toxic?

I am really frustrated by all this.

It would be so nice if in a perfect world there would be one protocol for adrenal/thyroid that all groups could agree on.

Just venting a little. I just know I need iodine. I have many cherry angiomas now and also many more moles all over and know I'm full of toxins that my liver is unable to get rid of.

Sorry just really frustrated after feeling like I'm running in circles looking for answers.

S

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> > Hello and happy new year to all,

> > I am on NTH and HC(trying to lower from 40) but not iodine (yet) and have

> > suspected for a while now I might have a congested liver and am also

> > recently experienced edema 2 x's (stopped my sea salt and it went away) so

> > not sure if kidney issue too.

> > As iodine detoxes would it be advisable for me to make sure that I my liver

> > is optimium as well as my kidneys before I start.

> >

> > tx

> >

>

January 11, 2011

stop worrying and just do it. cortef, iodine and NT are wonderful

and helpful. it's not fun getting well, detoxifying etc, but it's

better than staying sick.

gracia

On 1/11/2011 5:24 PM, hardrockshoney wrote:

It is all so conflicting to me. I am on Cortef and am

told to not do any cleanses by the adrenal group. How can

I ever right my body, detox, take iodine etc if one step

always prevents the next step. How can the adrenals heal

if the body is toxic?

I am really frustrated by all this.

It would be so nice if in a perfect world there would be

one protocol for adrenal/thyroid that all groups could

agree on.

Just venting a little. I just know I need iodine. I have

many cherry angiomas now and also many more moles all over

and know I'm full of toxins that my liver is unable to get

rid of.

Sorry just really frustrated after feeling like I'm

running in circles looking for answers.

January 11, 2011

Jump in. I did. I started 3 years with one pill a week and added one pill a week to 50 mg and the other nutrients. I had 9 diseases including flat lined adrenals. I take 4 grains of thyroid still but am finally warm. Back then my temp was 95-97. Finally up to 98 average these days. I am actually trying 100 mg of lugols lately to see if is right.

My liver healed up quite a lot since then but it was real iffy to start- swollen enough to push my ribs out of place and had moderately high enzymes and had two gallstone blockage surgery and was close to needing a transplant the year before the 2 surgeries to save my life. Still I never did have any detox symptoms from iodine except possibly headaches.

Silymarin helps the liver some and so did ultraclear ph shake at 5 pm for 3 weeks and metagenics advaclear capsules. But losing 75 pounds likely helped my liver even more and 40 of those pounds were from having a sick liver. So do detox if you can. NAC, TMG and DMG are all worth doing as is bentonite.

Happy to say my adrenals seem more like normal these days instead of completely reversed and so poor that the lab tech wrote me 2 handwritten pages to help me heal. His ideas and my doctors helped and ideas I learned from this group.

My liver enzymes are almost normal(within a few points instead of double to four times) now too. So these things help. Chronic mildly high liver enzymes are harder on your body than having a short time period of sixteen to thousands of times liver enzymes according to the surgeon anyway. Theoretically my liver was fine after surgery but sure am glad to have helped it to heal the rest of the way. Livers will die for you to protect you from toxins and they are the quickest to regenerate if we can just give them what they need.

Also found Twin Labs Daily Capsules to help as have the B vitamins and selenium and some other helpful stuff all in one capsule and reasonable price. Less is more. Iodine is definitely a good way toward health. Thanks to everyone who contributes ideas and thoughtful answers and experiences and especially to and the new moderators helping her.

Hope this helps. PamOn Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:16 PM, hardrockshoney <sandralhowie@...> wrote:

Holy Cow Tammy,

Thank you so much.

That is amazing and I thank you for explaining it all to me what you have experienced and I'm sure that you aren't the only one who has experienced this but you really gave me some great insight. When you say weak adrenals, were you on HC So did you ever have to stress dose during the bad times or did you just salt load? I wanted to do a 5 day liver cleanse from a book called the Detox Solution by Fitzgerald first and see how I am with that and then start iodine.

I too have that same clear little bugger on my chest! Ha!

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> > > > Hello and happy new year to all,

> > > > I am on NTH and HC(trying to lower from 40) but not iodine (yet) and have

> > > > suspected for a while now I might have a congested liver and am also

> > > > recently experienced edema 2 x's (stopped my sea salt and it went away) so

> > > > not sure if kidney issue too.

> > > > As iodine detoxes would it be advisable for me to make sure that I my liver

> > > > is optimium as well as my kidneys before I start.

> > > >

> > > > tx

> > > >

> > >

> >

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January 12, 2011

Blood tests like billirubin which is currently.o6 but was 17.0 when my eyeballs were yellow. Traditional AST 32 now(0-40)range was in thousands and ALT 42 now (0-40) was in thousands before 2 surgeries. and Alkaline Phosphates 146(25-150) Liver this sick also trashes digestion so minerals, protein and so on are all down very low levels too. Your liver does 500 enzyme actions for you daily and nothing works when your liver doesn't work.

So as I said those bentonite, NAC, ALA, DIM, TMG, DMG and magnesium and trace minerals and metagenic ultraclear shakes and advaclear capsules do work. Time is part of healing too. I took isocort for several years at 2 per meal and waking. Also found licorice root very helpful to me. Took glandulars and ashwanda for just one bottle of each together. But think LDN did also help all my hormones to settle down. I never did get around to HC as was so sick they didn't want to do drastic changes but more gradual healing with me. I was only sleeping an hour or so daily for about 4-5 years. Can't heal if you can't sleep.

PamOn Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:14 AM, hardrockshoney <sandralhowie@...> wrote:

Geeze, you guys have been through so much.

It is amazing how far you have come Pam and I am so lucky to have you share it with me.

What were you doing for adrenal support if any at all when you started?

Some days I feel good as new and the other I feel 50% better than what I did before I started anything. I worry I will never get off Cortef, have suppressed my adrenals, want to know if I did and worry about my liver.

What test(s) do you do to see how the liver is doing?

I would like to see just how good mine is (or bad).

Thanks again for taking your time to tell me your success story Pam!

Hugs

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> > > > > > Hello and happy new year to all,

> > > > > > I am on NTH and HC(trying to lower from 40) but not iodine (yet)

> > and have

> > > > > > suspected for a while now I might have a congested liver and am

> > also

> > > > > > recently experienced edema 2 x's (stopped my sea salt and it went

> > away) so

> > > > > > not sure if kidney issue too.

> > > > > > As iodine detoxes would it be advisable for me to make sure that I

> > my liver

> > > > > > is optimium as well as my kidneys before I start.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tx

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January 13, 2011

Hi , what is the name of the " natural adrenal group".

HI! Tammy,

I admire your strength. It really is great to here more. I will just listen to my gut and do what I can and see how it goes. Still grappling with the high dose of Cortef I'm on and worried I've surpressed my adrenals per the info I'm getting from the natural adrenal group.

Thank you for reaching out and helping.

hugs

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> > > > > > Hello and happy new year to all,

> > > > > > I am on NTH and HC(trying to lower from 40) but not iodine (yet) and have

> > > > > > suspected for a while now I might have a congested liver and am also

> > > > > > recently experienced edema 2 x's (stopped my sea salt and it went away) so

> > > > > > not sure if kidney issue too.

> > > > > > As iodine detoxes would it be advisable for me to make sure that I my liver

> > > > > > is optimium as well as my kidneys before I start.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tx

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January 14, 2011

what does "no cleansing" mean? detox? if so, Val is full of horse

puckey.

gracia

On 1/14/2011 9:48 AM, hardrockshoney wrote:

Val on Natural thyroid hormone adrenals said no cleansing

while on hyrdocortisone.

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January 14, 2011

But when you are toxic you will never get well. You have to detox - adrenals or not. I had horrible adrenals when I did my first detox. We just used nutrients to support them. Not cleansing is bad advice.

Re: congested liver and iodine

Now, now play nice Gracia.You know, like liver cleanse, gall bladder cleanse, yeah I guess anything to detox the body. I believe her take on it is that anything like that will stress the adrenals even more as the body works hard to get rid of the bad stuff, but then if the bad stuff makes us sick then how are we to get better if we don't?> >> >> > Val on Natural thyroid hormone adrenals said no cleansing while on > > hyrdocortisone.> >> > --> >>

January 15, 2011

Ok, that's good. Detoxing is so important.

Steph

Re: congested liver and iodine

You said what I was meaning, I agree with YOU Steph, but my wording sounded like I was agreeing with Val. > > >> > >> > > Val on Natural thyroid hormone adrenals said no cleansing while on > > > hyrdocortisone.> > >> > > --> > >> >>

January 15, 2011

what? Val is goofy

I take HC and 100mg Iodoral and it all helps.

Gracia

On 1/14/2011 3:48 PM, hardrockshoney wrote:

Now, now play nice Gracia.

You know, like liver cleanse, gall bladder cleanse, yeah I

guess anything to detox the body. I believe her take on it

is that anything like that will stress the adrenals even

more as the body works hard to get rid of the bad stuff,

but then if the bad stuff makes us sick then how are we to

get better if we don't?

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> > Val on Natural thyroid hormone adrenals said no

cleansing while on

> > hyrdocortisone.

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January 15, 2011

I think Val is overthinking the situation. I don't think healing the

adrenals comes from doing every little thing to avoid stressing them,

because that's not even possible, and besides the body is horribly stressed

by the toxins it contains-- particularly the halides that sitting on the

cell receptors where iodine should be. I think adrenal healing comes from

giving the adrenals what is required nutritionally, and that includes

iodine. I had adrenal exhaustion, the worst test my Integrated Medicine

doc had ever seen, she said. Her approach included iodine but was very

timid and cautious and I wasn't getting well, and eventually I lost health

insurance and couldn't continue to see her. I kept looking for solutions I

could afford and that would work, and found LDN (for fibro) and then

iodine. What finally fixed my adrenals is, 1) the iodine protocol, 2)

extra unrefined salt (I took about 1 Tablespoon a day, 3) extra vitamin C,

4) 1200 IU Vit E (mixed tocopherols). I also started on pregnenolone, but

some people do not do well on this; it is recommended to be tested for it.

Now, instead of falling asleep constantly and not being able to concentrate

on my work (I work at home, a freelance in publishing editorial), I have

the energy I need. Plus I can go out and dance for hours, and I have a

music gig later this month.

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>what? Val is goofy

>I take HC and 100mg Iodoral and it all helps.

>Gracia

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>On 1/14/2011 3:48 PM, hardrockshoney wrote:

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>>Now, now play nice Gracia.

>>You know, like liver cleanse, gall bladder cleanse, yeah I guess anything

>>to detox the body. I believe her take on it is that anything like that

>>will stress the adrenals even more as the body works hard to get rid of

>>the bad stuff, but then if the bad stuff makes us sick then how are we to

>>get better if we don't?

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>> > > Val on Natural thyroid hormone adrenals said no cleansing while on

>> > > hyrdocortisone.

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~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

January 15, 2011

Check you . Dancning. You go girl. I believe Iodoral helped my adrenals. I will never and I mean never take hydro cortisone ever again in my life. That stuff is evil, weight gain that is just impossible to loose. from IllinoisFrom: Baker <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Sat, January

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