Re: Contraindications for Selenium?

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, I don’t think there are any contraindications for taking 200mcg selenium daily. You can google it just to be sure, but from my memory I don’t believe there are. Kathleen

Contraindications for Selenium?

Hello there,Are there any reasons one should not take a Selenium supplement? It seems I read on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are struggling...or maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember since I have no brain!Thanks,

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Personally, I have had Very Bad Things happen when I take selenium without iodine and vice versa. That is, aching limbs, burning feet and lots of hypo symptoms aggravated and pain all over.

It takes a few days to build up but it makes me feel horrible. Iodine and selenium work together in the thyroid and balance each other. However, if you have bad RT3 selenium may aggravate that, because it promotes conversion of T4 to T3 and RT3. I avoid this problem by taking T3 only. This blocks the secretion of TSH and the consequential T4 production. No T4, no RT3.

MacG.

From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>iodine Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 23:17:50Subject: Re: Contraindications for Selenium?

, I don’t think there are any contraindications for taking 200mcg selenium daily. You can google it just to be sure, but from my memory I don’t believe there are. Kathleen

Contraindications for Selenium?

Hello there,Are there any reasons one should not take a Selenium supplement? It seems I read on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are struggling...or maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember since I have no brain!Thanks,

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jennifer,

My brain is trashed also, I'm going to get neurofeedback for it. As far as the

selenium and Hashi's go, my understanding is Hashi's is more of a selenium

problem, along with iodine, which sets it apart from other autoimmune diseases.

That is, you need selenium if you have Hashi's. Maybe, someone will chime it

who knows better.

Joan

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> Are there any reasons one should not take a Selenium supplement? It seems I

read on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are

struggling...or maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember

since I have no brain!

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There is an article written by Dr Abraham who founded the Iodine Project called "Facts about Auto-immune Thyroiditis". I believe it is at the bottom of the list of publications about the Iodine Project on the site www.optimox.com

It gives a very good explanation of the role of selenium in the thyroid and why Hashi occurs and selenium's role in it all. Interesting read of three pages.

MacG.

From: coloredoctave <joanlulich@...>iodine Sent: Fri, 14 January, 2011 20:14:58Subject: Re: Contraindications for Selenium?

jennifer,My brain is trashed also, I'm going to get neurofeedback for it. As far as the selenium and Hashi's go, my understanding is Hashi's is more of a selenium problem, along with iodine, which sets it apart from other autoimmune diseases. That is, you need selenium if you have Hashi's. Maybe, someone will chime it who knows better.Joan>> Hello there,> > Are there any reasons one should not take a Selenium supplement? It seems I read on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are struggling...or maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember since I have no brain!> > Thanks,> > >

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Hi Joan,

Why are you neurofeedbacking for your trashed brain? What's it trashed from and

are you treating for thyroid issues?

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read on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are

struggling...or maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember

since I have no brain!

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Thanks . I knew I'd heard something about this.

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> Personally, I have had Very Bad Things happen when I take selenium without

> iodine and vice versa.  That is, aching limbs, burning feet and lots of hypo

> symptoms aggravated and pain all over.

> It takes a few days to build up but it makes me feel horrible.  Iodine and

> selenium work together in the thyroid and balance each other.  However, if

you

> have bad RT3 selenium may aggravate that, because it promotes conversion of

T4

> to T3 and RT3.  I avoid this problem by taking T3 only.  This blocks the

> secretion of TSH and the consequential T4 production.  No T4, no RT3.

> MacG.

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> From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>

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> , I don’t think there are any contraindications for taking 200mcg

> selenium daily. You can google it just to be sure, but from my memory I

don’t

> believe there are. Kathleen

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> >Are there any reasons one should not take a Selenium supplement? It seems I

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> >on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are struggling...or

> >maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember since I have no

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You're welcome. I get the impression that not everyone is affected like me by this selenium/iodine problem so may be it won't be the case for you. But I think that since I have removed T4 from my body, so to speak, I have not got the aches and pains that I had before, that I put down to RT3. So this is not necessarily a carved in stone fact for everyone, but my experience just so's you know what could go on. MacG.

From: Sand <jesand54@...>iodine Sent: Fri, 14 January, 2011 21:51:35Subject: Re: Contraindications for Selenium?

Thanks . I knew I'd heard something about this.>> Personally, I have had Very Bad Things happen when I take selenium without > iodine and vice versa. That is, aching limbs, burning feet and lots of hypo > symptoms aggravated and pain all over.> It takes a few days to build up but it makes me feel horrible. Iodine and > selenium work together in the thyroid and balance each other. However, if you > have bad RT3 selenium may aggravate that, because it promotes conversion of T4 > to T3 and RT3. I avoid this problem by taking T3 only. This blocks the > secretion of TSH and the consequential T4 production. No T4, no

RT3.> MacG.> >  > > > > ________________________________> From: Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...>> iodine > Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 23:17:50> Subject: Re: Contraindications for Selenium?> >  > , I don’t think there are any contraindications for taking 200mcg > selenium daily. You can google it just to be sure, but from my memory I don’t > believe there are. Kathleen> Contraindications for Selenium?> >> > > >Hello there,> >> >Are there any reasons one should not take a Selenium supplement? It seems I read > >on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are struggling...or > >maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember since I have no > >brain!> >> >Thanks,> >> >> >> >>

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Hi I know most people don't think highly of Dr. Oz, but he did make a unusual

comment on selenium and brazil nuts. He said eat only 2 brazil nuts a day for

your daily selenium needs. I have been doing it and it is very easy to eat just

2 as they don't taste that good so you won't be tempted to eat more than 2.

Hope this helps you get your selenium needs.

Dorie

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seems I read on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are

struggling...or maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember

since I have no brain!

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since each nut is different in its selenium content, I prefer to take it in supplement form to make sure I am getting the correct amount with my iodine. Kathleen

Re: Contraindications for Selenium?

Hi I know most people don't think highly of Dr. Oz, but he did make a unusual comment on selenium and brazil nuts. He said eat only 2 brazil nuts a day for your daily selenium needs. I have been doing it and it is very easy to eat just 2 as they don't taste that good so you won't be tempted to eat more than 2.Hope this helps you get your selenium needs.Dorie> > > >> > > > Hello there,> > > > > > > > Are there any reasons one should not take a Selenium supplement? It seems I read on one of these sites that you shouldn't if your adrenals are struggling...or maybe it was if you have Hashi's. Something. Don't remember since I have no brain!> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >>

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Any more hints on how to find that article? Got to the site. Checked

articles on Iodine Research, didn't see anything on Iodine Project

there...didn't see article about Selenium.

Thanks,

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What about selenium's assistance in converting T4 to T3? I've been reading (on

that OTHER site...LOL) that for people with an RT3 issue, selenium might not be

a good idea.

Does iodine compensate for this somehow?

Jaye

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I'm not sure if it's an issue but I just cleared my RT3 while taking selenium.     I stopped taking iodine for a few weeks because I'd been told it would inhibit my RT3 clearing but I didn't feel so good so went back to taking it (100mg a day) and still cleared.

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What about selenium's assistance in converting T4 to T3? I've been reading (on that OTHER site...LOL) that for people with an RT3 issue, selenium might not be a good idea.

Does iodine compensate for this somehow?

Jaye

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Brazil nuts already shelled on purchase are probably already oxidized.From: jprocure@... <jprocure@...>Subject: Re: Contraindications for Selenium?iodine Date: Saturday, 15 January, 2011, 16:24

What about selenium's assistance in converting T4 to T3? I've been reading (on that OTHER site...LOL) that for people with an RT3 issue, selenium might not be a good idea.

Does iodine compensate for this somehow?

Jaye

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There is an article that the other group is using to justify why selenium is not a good idea with an RT3 issue. But no one nutrient works in isolation. So let's talk about selenium and what it does.

In the creation of thyroid hormone within the thyroid, the Hydrogen Peroxide process is essential for oxidation of iodine to iodide. If this oxidation continues too much it can damage the cells. The production and utilization of H2O2 is closely maintained which is primarily done by a selenium-containing enzyme glutathione peroxidase. This functions to keep H2O2 reduced to H2O after it oxidizes iodide. A deficiency in selenium can impair this defense mechanism thus creating an environment for autoimmune thyroid conditions. This in itself makes selenium critical.

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Selenium is needed to handle toxins. It is needed in the formation of glutathione peroxidase which is a component we need in detoxifying things like pesticides, mercury ,chlorine and bromide.

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Iodothyronine Deiodinases are enzymes that are responsible for deactivating thyroid hormone. They work to remove an iodine molecule. The T4 hormone is released and the Iodothyronine Deiodinase (a selenium containing enzyme) is responsible for the conversion of T4 to T3.

Selenium is a key component in this enzyme. 5-deiodinase and 5'-deiodinase are responsible for this conversion. 5-deiodinase converts T4 to T3 and 5'-deiodinase converts T4 to rT3.

T4 is converted to both T3 and rT3 in a precise ratio with about 45-50% of it being rT3. Nutritional deficiencies like B12, Selenium, Zinc, B6, iron, and Vit D can contribute to a high rT3. Stress (high cortisol) inhibits the 5-deiodinase enzyme making the conversion of T4 to T3 decrease and increasing the 5'-deiodinase enzyme making it dominant which creates more rT3.

So supplementing with selenium will not in itself create an increase in rT3.

I know this is a bit complex but that is why saying someone should not take a nutrient because it does "X" is just plain short sighted. Processes in the body have far reaching implications.

From: jprocure@... <jprocure@...>Subject: Re: Contraindications for Selenium?iodine Date: Saturday, 15 January, 2011, 16:24

What about selenium's assistance in converting T4 to T3? I've been reading (on that OTHER site...LOL) that for people with an RT3 issue, selenium might not be a good idea.Does iodine compensate for this somehow?Jaye>> Just to reaffirm, yes it's true that Brazil nuts vary in their selenium > content. It's important when taking iodine to get the full dose of > selenium daily, so we suggest taking 200mcg selenium along with your Brazil > nuts. The selenium dose for the iodine protocol is 200 to 400 mcg.> > --> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J. Muste>

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Thank you for this. Yes, a bit complex, but so important to remember as you say in your last sentence that 'saying someone should not take a nutrient because it does "X" is just plain short sighted.' There is so much we still don't know about the body and how vitamins and minerals affect us. Kathleen

Re: Contraindications for Selenium?iodine Date: Saturday, 15 January, 2011, 16:24

What about selenium's assistance in converting T4 to T3? I've been reading (on that OTHER site...LOL) that for people with an RT3 issue, selenium might not be a good idea.Does iodine compensate for this somehow?Jaye>> Just to reaffirm, yes it's true that Brazil nuts vary in their selenium > content. It's important when taking iodine to get the full dose of > selenium daily, so we suggest taking 200mcg selenium along with your Brazil > nuts. The selenium dose for the iodine protocol is 200 to 400 mcg.> > --> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J. Muste>

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Thanks Steph

This is what I wanted to know. I am fairly certain I have adrenal and RT3

problems (no tests at this point, just symptoms and predispositions) and trying

to sort everything out.

Endocrinology is a bear! Too bad that so many amateurs seems to be getting a

better handle on it than the pros!

Jaye

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