Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

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> I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid

cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while

another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only

recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for

about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up

to it).

>

> My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's

time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no

suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that

the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I

am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses

the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to

rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now

building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and

minerals...

>

> Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are

there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine

saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious

after the conversation with the surgeon this morning.

> Gretchen in Texas

>

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I had the "let's take out 1/2 just to be sure" speech and ended up with papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed. Then they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove the cancer. What did? High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and chelating, balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet. I would NEVER remove my thyroid again. I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe. Now I drive 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid. My thyroid levels were optimal and I felt fine too. If you remove even part of your thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of your life. Don't take it and you die. I believe in healing the body and getting to the root. Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby and no internet like there is today to do research. I blindly followed the doctors. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the journey I was on. Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut? That is very important.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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If it helps I have been diagnosed with papillary cancer (in Dec 09) and at the moment am treating myself with lugols iodine - am doing 70mg (although could I be doing more ?) and the rest of the protocol (have had amalgams removed etc.) and diet - as much gluten free as possible, little meat (only organic chicken if any) and some fish, vegetables, salads.

All I know is that it is scary either way - my thyroid lump hasn't grown but it still hasn't shrunk either - my immune system is getting stronger and I wish I could be certain that this way is the best way - you have to go with your gut and with advice from people in this group. Not yet met anyone who has told me they have succeeded only doing it the way I'm doing - so very hard emotionally to be strong!

Pray for the right direction and do your research

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 13:01Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I had the "let's take out 1/2 just to be sure" speech and ended up with papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed. Then they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove the cancer. What did? High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and chelating, balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet. I would NEVER remove my thyroid again. I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe. Now I drive 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid. My thyroid levels were optimal and I felt fine too. If you remove even part of your thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of your life. Don't take it and you die. I believe in healing the body and getting

to the root. Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby and no internet like there is today to do research. I blindly followed the doctors. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the journey I was on. Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut? That is very important.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up

my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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Sometimes these situations do not turn around overnight. It has taken me two years of iodine to see my Hashi numbers go down. Patience.

MacGilchrist

From: gggretchenlynn <gggretchenlynn@...>iodine Sent: Mon, 4 April, 2011 20:05:27Subject: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my

inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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Dr. Brownstein has said that when fighting cancer he has used 200 - 300 mgs of Iodoral / day. I used 125 mgs. You have to do what you feel is right for you. I felt like I needed more because my labs weren't showing progress.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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I would recommend getting a second opinion anytime surgery is suggested.

Or, have the FNA done, and when surgery is suggested, say that you would rather

" wait and see. " No one can cut you without your consent.

I would NEVER have my thyroid taken out because of someone's suspicion. The

last time that was suggested, I found a new doctor. I am probably as stubborn

as you are, as I still have my thyroid - goiter, nodules and all!!

Thanks,

>

> I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid

cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while

another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only

recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for

about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up

to it).

>

> My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's

time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no

suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that

the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I

am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses

the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to

rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now

building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and

minerals...

>

> Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are

there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine

saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious

after the conversation with the surgeon this morning.

> Gretchen in Texas

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks that's a help - wasn't quite sure how high I could really go - so I will up that gradually and see monitor the results

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 13:47Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

 Dr. Brownstein has said that when fighting cancer he has used 200 - 300 mgs of Iodoral / day. I used 125 mgs. You have to do what you feel is right for you. I felt like I needed more because my labs weren't showing progress.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up

my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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At the risk of becoming boring, I see some of these health issues as being like the warning lights on the dash board of my car. You could always take a hammer to the warning light, so it stops bothering you -- but that will not fix the problem with your car. The sensible, proactive thing to do is to go under the hood & find the problem. Things go wrong in the body when something is out of whack -- there is chemical exposure or dietary insufficiencies or some other serious cause for the problem. If you get rid of the offending body part surgically, the underlying problem is going to cause a NEW problem. If you can figure out a way to FIX the underlying problem, it will cure the thing you are worried about & prevent other issues later.AnneOn Apr 5, 2011, at 6:16 AM, wrote:

I would recommend getting a second opinion anytime surgery is suggested.

Or, have the FNA done, and when surgery is suggested, say that you would rather "wait and see." No one can cut you without your consent.

I would NEVER have my thyroid taken out because of someone's suspicion. The last time that was suggested, I found a new doctor. I am probably as stubborn as you are, as I still have my thyroid - goiter, nodules and all!!

Thanks,

>

> I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it).

>

> My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...

>

> Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning.

> Gretchen in Texas

>

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Surgeons ( & other doctors) always try to manipulate you by making you feel anxious. If you are pregnant, they talk about dead babies who died because their moms didn't listen to doctors. If you have cancer, they assure that the cancer will kill you in 5 minutes if you don't have surgery. If you are resisting vaccines for your children, they assure you that your children will die a horrible death if they get chicken pox. Every doctor I have ever spoken to has always tried to create anxiety in patients to enforce their compliance. The trick here is to realize that this "expert" is toeing a party line, & telling you what he was told to tell you. The trick is to realize that doctors are often wrong, & often don't even KNOW they are wrong.I admit this is hard to do, because we are so indoctrinated -- & because doctors have so much power. If your child has cancer & you want to refuse chemo & radiation, your state's child protective services can take the child away from you & force treatment on the grounds that the state believes the doctors are better able to make decisions on his behalf. In custody disputes, where one parent wants to use drugs, etc. recommended by a doctor, & the other parent wants to try natural methods first for non-lethal issues like ADD, the court will side with the parent who is taking medical advice.In my own state of Washington, a law was just passed that will force parents to sit through a vaccine lecture by a doctor & get his signature before the parent can get a religious/philosophical exemption from vaccines. (Your theoretical right to decline vaccines for your children is being undermined all across the country. Some of us believe that, at some point, that right will be lost entirely & they will work toward forced vaccination of adults.)I know that it is scary to stand against this kind of opposition. Good luck with your decision.AnneOn Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 AM, Kuziw wrote:

If it helps I have been diagnosed with papillary cancer (in Dec 09) and at the moment am treating myself with lugols iodine - am doing 70mg (although could I be doing more ?) and the rest of the protocol (have had amalgams removed etc.) and diet - as much gluten free as possible, little meat (only organic chicken if any) and some fish, vegetables, salads.

All I know is that it is scary either way - my thyroid lump hasn't grown but it still hasn't shrunk either - my immune system is getting stronger and I wish I could be certain that this way is the best way - you have to go with your gut and with advice from people in this group. Not yet met anyone who has told me they have succeeded only doing it the way I'm doing - so very hard emotionally to be strong!

Pray for the right direction and do your research

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 13:01Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I had the "let's take out 1/2 just to be sure" speech and ended up with papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed. Then they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove the cancer. What did? High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and chelating, balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet. I would NEVER remove my thyroid again. I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe. Now I drive 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid. My thyroid levels were optimal and I felt fine too. If you remove even part of your thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of your life. Don't take it and you die. I believe in healing the body and getting

to the root. Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby and no internet like there is today to do research. I blindly followed the doctors. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the journey I was on. Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut? That is very important.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up

my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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HEllo ,Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in Jan. 11 with papillary cancer. I was taking 37mg of Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which my herbalist told me would be taken in by the body easier.I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all) free, dairy free. and doing a combination diet (carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same meal)Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and castor oil over the liver, also having epson salt baths and doing enimas.It is a job to get all done. And then there is the worry, is this enough? And of course there is EFT and other complementary treatments which are good for these

worries.It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel stronger and better now than for a long time. But the lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the way it feels seem to change regularly.best wishes,KatrinaFrom: Kuziw <akuziw@...>"iodine " <iodine >Sent: Tue, 5 April, 2011 13:31:23Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

If it helps I have been diagnosed with papillary cancer (in Dec 09) and at the moment am treating myself with lugols iodine - am doing 70mg (although could I be doing more ?) and the rest of the protocol (have had amalgams removed etc.) and diet - as much gluten free as possible, little meat (only organic chicken if any) and some fish, vegetables, salads.

All I know is that it is scary either way - my thyroid lump hasn't grown but it still hasn't shrunk either - my immune system is getting stronger and I wish I could be certain that this way is the best way - you have to go with your gut and with advice from people in this group. Not yet met anyone who has told me they have succeeded only doing it the way I'm doing - so very hard emotionally to be strong!

Pray for the right direction and do your research

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 13:01Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I had the "let's take out 1/2 just to be sure" speech and ended up with papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed. Then they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove the cancer. What did? High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and chelating, balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet. I would NEVER remove my thyroid again. I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe. Now I drive 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid. My thyroid levels were optimal and I felt fine too. If you remove even part of your thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of your life. Don't take it and you die. I believe in healing the body and

getting

to the root. Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby and no internet like there is today to do research. I blindly followed the doctors. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the journey I was on. Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut? That is very important.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up

my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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Liposomal CAN--HELP Vit C has been recommended to me to treat the papillary cancer, has anyone any thoughts on this.KatrinaFrom: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Tue, 5 April, 2011 13:01:13Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and

Iodine

I had the "let's take out 1/2 just to be sure" speech and ended up with papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed. Then they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove the cancer. What did? High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and chelating, balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet. I would NEVER remove my thyroid again. I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe. Now I drive 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid. My thyroid levels were optimal and I felt fine too. If you remove even part of your thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of your life. Don't take it and you die. I believe in healing the body and getting to the root. Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby and no internet like there is today to do research. I blindly followed the doctors. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the journey I was on. Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut? That is very important.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

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How wonderful (and emotional) to read your three stories and words of

encouragement. , yes, I am taking probiotics, but not enough, I'm sure.

I'm focusing on the Body Ecology diet. They encourage lots of cultured and

fermented foods (no dairy to start) and I'm looking for young coconuts to make

kefir. Yes, healing the gut is my priority. I don't want to be on synthroid. I

don't want to have to take anything to survive. Thank you for stating that so

truthfully. I also called a doctor's office in Katy, TX from your site. They

said they treated cysts with " bio-identical hormones + Iodoral " and they shrink.

I don't want to do hormones for the rest of my life, either, which is what they

do, but I think they're on the right track. In your practice, , have

you seen cysts shrink as a result of this protocol w/ diet, hormones, etc. you

mentioned?

The cyst on my left lobe (the larger one) seems to change in size as well, .

Some days it seems more flat and less noticeable, but today it looks like I

swallowed 1/2 an egg. I have a long, thin neck, so it really sticks out and

makes me feel self-conscious (I'm also getting married in June, and am praying

that this shrinks by then, but looking for fancy scarf-like material just in

case).

I'm gluten-free, mostly sugar-free (and getting there quickly), eat lots of

organic veggies and some organic meat, and now focusing on my hormones. My

doctor had me do a detox in January, www.saunapure.net, which was a rich

challenge to do. I feel like taking care of estrogen dominance and candida are

next for me as I edge up on iodine. I'm getting an FNA again soon. I react so

emotionally to tests and diagnoses. This is where I need to hold my ground with

the white coats, who, bless their hearts, are doing their best, I have to

believe.

Katarina, I have done the castor oil packs, too, and found they really soothed

me. Thanks for the reminder.

I am very grateful for all of your comments and send lots of healing to you

three!

Let's please stay in touch as our bodies heal and we gain more wisdom to share

with others.

Gretchen

>

> HEllo ,

>

> Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in Jan. 11 with papillary

cancer.

> I was taking 37mg of Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which my

> herbalist told me would be taken in by the body easier.

>

> I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all) free, dairy free. and

doing

> a combination diet (carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same meal)

>

> Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and castor oil over the liver,

> also having epson salt baths and doing enimas.

>

> It is a job to get all done. And then there is the worry, is this enough? And

of

> course there is EFT and other complementary treatments which are good for

these

> worries.

>

> It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel stronger and better now than

for

> a long time. But the lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the way

> it feels seem to change regularly.

>

> best wishes,

> Katrina

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Kuziw <akuziw@...>

> " iodine " <iodine >

> Sent: Tue, 5 April, 2011 13:31:23

> Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

>

>

> If it helps I have been diagnosed with papillary cancer (in Dec 09) and at the

> moment am treating myself with lugols iodine - am doing 70mg (although could I

> be doing more ?) and the rest of the protocol (have had amalgams

> removed etc.) and diet - as much gluten free as possible, little meat (only

> organic chicken if any) and some fish, vegetables, salads.

>

>

> All I know is that it is scary either way - my thyroid lump hasn't grown but

it

> still hasn't shrunk either - my immune system is getting stronger and I wish I

> could be certain that this way is the best way - you have to go with your gut

> and with advice from people in this group. Not yet met anyone who has told me

> they have succeeded only doing it the way I'm doing - so very hard emotionally

> to be strong!

>

> Pray for the right direction and do your research

>

>

> From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

> iodine

> Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 13:01

> Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

>

>

>

> I had the " let's take out 1/2 just to be sure " speech and ended up with

> papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed. Then

> they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove

> the cancer. What did? High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and

chelating,

> balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet. I

> would NEVER remove my thyroid again. I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which

> is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe. Now I

drive

> 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid. My

thyroid

> levels were optimal and I felt fine too. If you remove even part of your

> thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of

your

> life. Don't take it and you die. I believe in healing the body and getting

to

> the root. Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby

and

> no internet like there is today to do research. I blindly followed the

> doctors. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the

> journey I was on. Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut? That is

very

> important.

>

> Buist, ND

>

>

> Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

> >

> >

> >I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid

> >cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while

> >another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only

> >recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for

> >about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building

up

> >to it).

> >

> >

> >My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says

it's

> >time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are

no

> >suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or

that

> >the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start).

I

> >am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand

suppresses

> >the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox

to

> >rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now

> >building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and

> >minerals...

> >

> >Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are

> >there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the

iodine

> >saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling

anxious

> >after the conversation with the surgeon this morning.

> >

> >Gretchen in Texas

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

First off, vitamin C is part of the iodine protocol anyway. So everybody here should be taking vitamin C. Now, some very smart docs have gotten rather amazing results by giving patients extremely high doses of vitamin C, & there are all sorts of claims in the literature. The only problem with oral vitamin C is that it is irritating to the gut in high doses, & can cause diarrhea. That would be OK, except to address REALLY bad medical issues, you need more than the amount or oral vitamin C that gives you diarrhea.The big vitamin C docs got around this by giving high doses of vitamin C intravenously. This enabled them to bypass the gut, preventing the diarrhea, while giving HUGE doses of vitamin C. The only problem with that is that you have to find a cooperative doctor (how's that for an oxymoron?) & get stuck with needles. (One dose doesn't cure cancer, of course, so the process has to be repeated.)Enter the modern age of liposomal C. They have found that if you make a solution of lecithin & water & a solution of sodium ascorbate (or ascorbic acid) with water, combine them, & put them in a high tech machine, the lecithin forms little bubbles (called liposomes) that trap ( & protect) the vitamin C. Then, because the liposomes are so tiny, & because cells are hungry for the lecithin, the liposomes can pass through directly into the bloodstream, without being digested first. As cells grab the liposomes, vitamin C is released directly into or around them.There are several advantages to LC. There is no diarrhea (with commercial preparations), no needles, no oxymoronic doctor needed, & you can dose frequently during the day, keeping vitamin C levels in the blood high. In fact, LC has been shown in tests to be MORE effective at raising levels of vitamin C in the body. It is 5-10 times more effective than oral vitamin C, gram for gram.The downside of the commercial LC products is that they are SO expensive. If you want to give yourself high doses to fight cancer, most of us couldn't afford to do it with a commercial LC product. The product from LivOn Labs costs a dollar or more for a 1 gram dose. Even granted that that is equal to 5-10 grams of tablets, you would need several of those a day to even approach the vitamin C levels thought to fight cancer. (IV administration often amounts to 100 grams a day, for some extreme health issues.)So many of us are now making our own. There is a good news/bad news aspect to this. It is another little chore to add to your routine. And the procedure for doing it at home does not produce PURE LC. Which is to say, some of it is liposomal, & some of it is not. With homemade LC, it is possible to get a bit of diarrhea if you are using really high doses, because part of what you wind up with is not encapsulated. But it is so much cheaper to make that you can afford to take much higher doses than you would of the commercial product. If you take homemade LC to bowel tolerance, you are getting a pretty significant dose -- part of it (some estimates are 30%) going through the normal digestive process, & the rest going right into the bloodstream in liposomal form, giving you much more bang for the buck, as it were.Oops! Engage brain before writing, Anne. I assumed that the product you were talking about was JUST vitamin C, but they have a product that apparently is designed to support cancer patients which contains other supplements along with C, but when I double-checked your email you were talking about the vitamin C product. Their vitamin C product is cheaper than Liv-On's, but as is often the case, their spiel is a bit deceptive. The bottle contains 96 1-gram doses, but if you are wanting vitamin C to work on cancer, you want to be working your way up to a really high dose -- several grams a day, spread out through the day. (I wouldn't jump immediately to a high dose, because you can get some fierce detox, & if you do kill cancer cells, they can logjam in your liver. Start low & slow & work up.)I heard Linus ing say once that he took 12 grams of ascorbic acid powder in water every morning. (Others have quoted him as taking 18 grams a day.) He quipped that it was a bit tart & had a laxative effect, but that's OK, because you don't want to hang on to that stuff anyway. And that was just his daily maintenance dose.And as I say, 100 grams a day were often given in IVs for serious health issues. So if I were using the CAN-HELP C product & had a serious issue with cancer, I would want to take at least 9-10 doses a day, I think (working up gradually, & judging by how I felt.) At that rate, the $45 bottle would only last me 9-10 days.A smaller dose would help you -- vitamin C is a very important nutrient -- but for serious illness, I would want to crank it up. So I brew my own at home, & can take it when I am sick at fairly high doses before it affects my bowels. (Obviously, personal bowel tolerance varies a lot. And apparently the quality of the sonic cleaners people are using to make their own LC varies a lot, resulting in different rates of liposomation.)In other words, I think liposomal C is a good thing to take, but not in small amounts.AnneOn Apr 5, 2011, at 1:33 PM, tim sloan wrote:

Liposomal CAN--HELP Vit C has been recommended to me to treat the papillary cancer, has anyone any thoughts on this.KatrinaFrom: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Tue, 5 April, 2011 13:01:13Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and

Iodine

I had the "let's take out 1/2 just to be sure" speech and ended up with papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed. Then they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove the cancer. What did? High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and chelating, balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet. I would NEVER remove my thyroid again. I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe. Now I drive 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid. My thyroid levels were optimal and I felt fine too. If you remove even part of your thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of your life. Don't take it and you die. I believe in healing the body and getting to the root. Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby and no internet like there is today to do research. I blindly followed the doctors. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the journey I was on. Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut? That is very important.

Buist, ND

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. Gretchen in Texas

[Guest guest]

Not boring Anne, a good perspective and a philosophy I believe in too. A sticking plaster covers a wound but doesn't "fix" it...

Thanks!

From: Anne Seals <anneseals@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 18:32Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

At the risk of becoming boring, I see some of these health issues as being like the warning lights on the dash board of my car. You could always take a hammer to the warning light, so it stops bothering you -- but that will not fix the problem with your car. The sensible, proactive thing to do is to go under the hood & find the problem. Things go wrong in the body when something is out of whack -- there is chemical exposure or dietary insufficiencies or some other serious cause for the problem. If you get rid of the offending body part surgically, the underlying problem is going to cause a NEW problem. If you can figure out a way to FIX the underlying problem, it will cure the thing you are worried about & prevent other issues later.

Anne

On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:16 AM, wrote:

I would recommend getting a second opinion anytime surgery is suggested.Or, have the FNA done, and when surgery is suggested, say that you would rather "wait and see." No one can cut you without your consent.I would NEVER have my thyroid taken out because of someone's suspicion. The last time that was suggested, I found a new doctor. I am probably as stubborn as you are, as I still have my thyroid - goiter, nodules and all!!Thanks, >> I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered

iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). > > My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...> > Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the

iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. > Gretchen in Texas>

[Guest guest]

Not boring Anne, a good perspective and a philosophy I believe in too. A sticking plaster covers a wound but doesn't "fix" it...

Thanks!

From: Anne Seals <anneseals@...>iodine Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 18:32Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

At the risk of becoming boring, I see some of these health issues as being like the warning lights on the dash board of my car. You could always take a hammer to the warning light, so it stops bothering you -- but that will not fix the problem with your car. The sensible, proactive thing to do is to go under the hood & find the problem. Things go wrong in the body when something is out of whack -- there is chemical exposure or dietary insufficiencies or some other serious cause for the problem. If you get rid of the offending body part surgically, the underlying problem is going to cause a NEW problem. If you can figure out a way to FIX the underlying problem, it will cure the thing you are worried about & prevent other issues later.

Anne

On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:16 AM, wrote:

I would recommend getting a second opinion anytime surgery is suggested.Or, have the FNA done, and when surgery is suggested, say that you would rather "wait and see." No one can cut you without your consent.I would NEVER have my thyroid taken out because of someone's suspicion. The last time that was suggested, I found a new doctor. I am probably as stubborn as you are, as I still have my thyroid - goiter, nodules and all!!Thanks, >> I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered

iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). > > My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...> > Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the

iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. > Gretchen in Texas>

[Guest guest]

Katrina  your herbalsit is completely wrong and his/her advice is

dangerous.  you do not want to take MCGs of iodine---you need MGs,

at least 100mg of either lugols or Iodoral.   have you looked at

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com?  

gracia

On 4/5/2011 4:27 PM, tim sloan wrote:

 

HEllo ,

Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in

Jan. 11 with papillary cancer. I was taking 37mg of

Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which

my herbalist told me would be taken in by the body

easier.

I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all)

free, dairy free. and doing a combination diet

(carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same

meal)

Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and

castor oil over the liver, also having epson salt baths

and doing enimas.

It is a job to get all done. And then there is the

worry, is this enough? And of course there is EFT and

other complementary treatments which are good for these

worries.

It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel

stronger and better now than for a long time. But the

lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the

way it feels seem to change regularly.

best wishes,

Katrina

[Guest guest]

Katrina  your herbalsit is completely wrong and his/her advice is

dangerous.  you do not want to take MCGs of iodine---you need MGs,

at least 100mg of either lugols or Iodoral.   have you looked at

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com?  

gracia

On 4/5/2011 4:27 PM, tim sloan wrote:

 

HEllo ,

Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in

Jan. 11 with papillary cancer. I was taking 37mg of

Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which

my herbalist told me would be taken in by the body

easier.

I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all)

free, dairy free. and doing a combination diet

(carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same

meal)

Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and

castor oil over the liver, also having epson salt baths

and doing enimas.

It is a job to get all done. And then there is the

worry, is this enough? And of course there is EFT and

other complementary treatments which are good for these

worries.

It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel

stronger and better now than for a long time. But the

lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the

way it feels seem to change regularly.

best wishes,

Katrina

[Guest guest]



I have to agree with Gracia here. If you are fighting thyroid cancer mcg amounts are not going to do a thing for you. The reasons we get thyroid cancer are low iodine, toxicity and poor diet. In many cases your body is toxic with bromide. The only way to eliminate the bromide is through larger doses (Mg) of Iodoral or Lugol's. Honesty if you continue on this path - in my experience and humble opinion - you are not going to conquer your cancer. I started at 50 mgs and while feeling better I did not eliminate my cancer markers until I really pushed it and moved to 125 mgs. It was at this point that I really moved the bromide out having levels of 24 when on 50 mgs go to 66 when upping my dose to 125 mgs. As your herbalist how much research they have done on iodine and thyroid cancer. As them if the know about symporter defects and how to heal them. I'll bet they have no clue. Be careful who you take advice from.

Buist, ND

Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

Katrina your herbalsit is completely wrong and his/her advice is dangerous. you do not want to take MCGs of iodine---you need MGs, at least 100mg of either lugols or Iodoral. have you looked at http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com? graciaOn 4/5/2011 4:27 PM, tim sloan wrote:

HEllo ,

Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in Jan. 11 with papillary cancer. I was taking 37mg of Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which my herbalist told me would be taken in by the body easier.

I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all) free, dairy free. and doing a combination diet (carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same meal)

Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and castor oil over the liver, also having epson salt baths and doing enimas.

It is a job to get all done. And then there is the worry, is this enough? And of course there is EFT and other complementary treatments which are good for these worries.

It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel stronger and better now than for a long time. But the lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the way it feels seem to change regularly.

best wishes,

Katrina

[Guest guest]



I have to agree with Gracia here. If you are fighting thyroid cancer mcg amounts are not going to do a thing for you. The reasons we get thyroid cancer are low iodine, toxicity and poor diet. In many cases your body is toxic with bromide. The only way to eliminate the bromide is through larger doses (Mg) of Iodoral or Lugol's. Honesty if you continue on this path - in my experience and humble opinion - you are not going to conquer your cancer. I started at 50 mgs and while feeling better I did not eliminate my cancer markers until I really pushed it and moved to 125 mgs. It was at this point that I really moved the bromide out having levels of 24 when on 50 mgs go to 66 when upping my dose to 125 mgs. As your herbalist how much research they have done on iodine and thyroid cancer. As them if the know about symporter defects and how to heal them. I'll bet they have no clue. Be careful who you take advice from.

Buist, ND

Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

Katrina your herbalsit is completely wrong and his/her advice is dangerous. you do not want to take MCGs of iodine---you need MGs, at least 100mg of either lugols or Iodoral. have you looked at http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com? graciaOn 4/5/2011 4:27 PM, tim sloan wrote:

HEllo ,

Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in Jan. 11 with papillary cancer. I was taking 37mg of Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which my herbalist told me would be taken in by the body easier.

I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all) free, dairy free. and doing a combination diet (carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same meal)

Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and castor oil over the liver, also having epson salt baths and doing enimas.

It is a job to get all done. And then there is the worry, is this enough? And of course there is EFT and other complementary treatments which are good for these worries.

It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel stronger and better now than for a long time. But the lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the way it feels seem to change regularly.

best wishes,

Katrina

[Guest guest]

and Gracia thanks for the advise, I thought there was a difference but did'nt question it. I'll go back to the Lugols and slowly increase the doseage. I have never heard of Bromide? perhaps we call it something else in England. Also my surgeon has said that there is no way of monitoring what is happening in my thyroid, I have gone back to my GP and am getting some blood tests done.What is symporter defects? is this a way of monitoring. My herbalist is a ovarian cancer surviver and she is wise on many levels don't know how much she knows about the Thyroid.KatrinaFrom: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Wed, 6 April, 2011 15:32:06Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine



I have to agree with Gracia here. If you are fighting thyroid cancer mcg amounts are not going to do a thing for you. The reasons we get thyroid cancer are low iodine, toxicity and poor diet. In many cases your body is toxic with bromide. The only way to eliminate the bromide is through larger doses (Mg) of Iodoral or Lugol's. Honesty if you continue on this path - in my experience and humble opinion - you are not going to conquer your cancer. I started at 50 mgs and while feeling better I did not eliminate my cancer markers until I really pushed it and moved to 125 mgs. It was at this point that I really moved the bromide out having levels of 24 when on 50 mgs go to 66 when upping my dose to 125 mgs. As your herbalist how much research they have done on iodine and thyroid cancer. As them if the know about symporter defects and how to heal them. I'll bet they have no clue. Be careful who you take advice from.

Buist, ND

Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

Katrina your herbalsit is completely wrong and his/her advice is dangerous. you do not want to take MCGs of iodine---you need MGs, at least 100mg of either lugols or Iodoral. have you looked at http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com? graciaOn 4/5/2011 4:27 PM, tim sloan wrote:

HEllo ,

Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in Jan. 11 with papillary cancer. I was taking 37mg of Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which my herbalist told me would be taken in by the body easier.

I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all) free, dairy free. and doing a combination diet (carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same meal)

Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and castor oil over the liver, also having epson salt baths and doing enimas.

It is a job to get all done. And then there is the worry, is this enough? And of course there is EFT and other complementary treatments which are good for these worries.

It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel stronger and better now than for a long time. But the lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the way it feels seem to change regularly.

best wishes,

Katrina

[Guest guest]

Has anyone ever heard of iodine causing a thyroid cyst to increase in size? Is

this possible?

I've seen articles from Brownstein and Abraham saying they have seen them shrink

in both breasts and thyroids. Mine seems to be more swollen in the last several

days since I've been taking this higher dose (50mg), but it seems to change from

day to day anyway, just as said.

Thanks for any input here.

>

> I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid

cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while

another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only

recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for

about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up

to it).

>

> My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's

time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no

suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that

the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I

am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses

the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to

rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now

building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and

minerals...

>

> Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are

there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine

saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious

after the conversation with the surgeon this morning.

> Gretchen in Texas

>

[Guest guest]

Katrina,You are only take 150mcg which means that you are taking 1% of the amount you would need to take to fight  thyroid cancer . The math is off. Sure it seems easier on your body and no detox symptoms but you aren't really doing much to help it fight things either. The iodine doctors  find 100 mg to 300 mg which is 100 to 200 times what you are currently taking with this Thyadine product. PLEASE take another look at the information this group is sharing. You have time to fix this if you can become aware of this error. MCG and MG are not the same measurement so like filling your gas tank with an eye dropper.

Also the RIFE beam ray light and coconut oil as a food according to Bruce Fife books may help you in your fight. Coconut oil helps me fight RA. Also L-glutamine powder from www.vitacost.com would help you heal your gut and probiotics. They ship to the UK. I just don't want the advice you got locally to stall the potential help from iodine.

In the US, thyroid cancer deaths are same for last 30 years at about 1500, but there as alarming trends of telling people they have cancer of thyroid when studies show they don't agree with each other.Book Overdiagnosed... That I just finished reading and returning to library. Hope this helps. Pam

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:27 PM, tim sloan <timkatrina@...> wrote:

 

HEllo ,Its good to hear from you. I too was diagnosed in Jan. 11 with papillary cancer. I was taking 37mg of Lugols but have now changed to Thyadine (150mcg) which my herbalist told me would be taken in by the body easier.

I'm doing a similar diet - gluten free, sugar (all) free, dairy free. and doing a combination diet (carbohydrates and proteins are not eaten in the same meal)Doing Castor oil and urine packing to the neck and castor oil over the liver, also having epson salt baths and doing enimas.

It is a job to get all done. And then there is the worry, is this enough? And of course there is EFT and other complementary treatments which are good for these

worries.It is encouraging to hear from you. I too feel stronger and better now than for a long time. But the lump has'nt gone and seems to have got bigger but the way it feels seem to change regularly.

best wishes,Katrina

From: Kuziw <akuziw@...> " iodine " <iodine >

Sent: Tue, 5 April, 2011 13:31:23Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

 

If it helps I have been diagnosed with papillary cancer (in Dec 09) and at the moment am treating myself with lugols iodine - am doing 70mg (although could I be doing more ?)  and the rest of the protocol (have had amalgams removed etc.) and diet - as much gluten free as possible, little meat (only organic chicken if any) and some fish, vegetables, salads.

 

All I know is that it is scary either way - my thyroid lump hasn't grown but it still hasn't shrunk either - my immune system is getting stronger and I wish I could be certain that this way is the best way - you have to go with your gut and with advice from people in this group.  Not yet met anyone who has told me they have succeeded only doing it the way I'm doing - so very hard emotionally to be strong!

 

Pray for the right direction and do your research

 

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

iodine Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, 13:01Subject: Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

 

I had the " let's take out 1/2 just to be sure " speech and ended up with papillary thyroid cancer and had to go back and have the rest removed.  Then they blasted me with 3 rounds of RAI over 5 years and it still did not remove the cancer.  What did?  High doses of Iodoral, removing amalgams and chelating, balancing hormones, balancing my nutrient levels and cleaning up my diet.  I would NEVER remove my thyroid again.  I had 6 years of hell on Synthroid which is what 95% of the doctors in America (maybe more) will prescribe.  Now I drive 2 1/2 hours to go to a doctor that will treat me with Nature-throid.  My thyroid levels were optimal and I felt fine too.  If you remove even part of your thyroid you will be dependant on thyroid meds (and doctors) for the rest of your life.  Don't take it and you die.  I believe in healing the body and

getting

to the root.  Unfortunately when all this happened to me I had a 4 mos old baby and no internet like there is today to do research.  I blindly followed the doctors.  www.naturalthyroidchoices.com has my blog that will tell you the journey I was on.  Are you taking any probiotics to heal your gut?  That is very important.

 

Buist, ND

 

Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

 

I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it).

My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up

my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning.

Gretchen in Texas

[Guest guest]

, have you been able to get your bromide levels (as measured by the

24-hour iodine loading test) down to non-toxic levels?

Bill

> I did not eliminate my cancer markers until I really pushed it and moved to

125 mgs. It was at this point that I really moved the bromide out having levels

of 24 when on 50 mgs go to 66 when upping my dose to 125 mgs.

[Guest guest]

Sometimes they increase as toxins are thrown out and the thyroid is grabbing more iodine.

Buist, ND

Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

Has anyone ever heard of iodine causing a thyroid cyst to increase in size? Is this possible? I've seen articles from Brownstein and Abraham saying they have seen them shrink in both breasts and thyroids. Mine seems to be more swollen in the last several days since I've been taking this higher dose (50mg), but it seems to change from day to day anyway, just as said. Thanks for any input here. >> I'm new to this group (am thrilled to have found you!) and have two thyroid cysts that were discovered 5 years ago. One hasn't changed in size, while another has grown (cystic + liquid), after an aspiration in 2008. I only recently discovered iodine, and have been taking lower levels of Iodoral for about 2.5 mos. I am now on 50 mg (started a couple of days ago after building up to it). > > My thyroid numbers are OPTIMAL, and I feel great. However, my doctor says it's time to get a Fine Needle Aspiration and biopsy just to make sure there are no suspicious cells. A surgeon (an ENT who doesn't believe in taking iodine or that the cysts can shrink at all) wants to take 1/2 of my thyroid out (to start). I am also newly aware that I have rampant candida, which I understand suppresses the endocrine and immune systems. I just did a long-range, deep tissue detox to rid my body of bromide and fluoride (or start that process, anyway), I'm now building up my inner flora, knocking out all sugar, taking iodine and minerals...> > Any other ideas? Am I being stubborn? Should I have my thyroid taken out? Are there any other doctors I could travel to see who are familiar with the iodine saturation therapy? Thanks so much for all of your comments. I'm feeling anxious after the conversation with the surgeon this morning. > Gretchen in Texas>

[Guest guest]

I am due to do it again but haven't made it a priority. I like to work in the lab with Dr. B when we run them so it probably won't be until this summer when I can spend a day there.

Buist, ND

Re: Thyroid Cysts and Iodine

, have you been able to get your bromide levels (as measured by the 24-hour iodine loading test) down to non-toxic levels? Bill> I did not eliminate my cancer markers until I really pushed it and moved to 125 mgs. It was at this point that I really moved the bromide out having levels of 24 when on 50 mgs go to 66 when upping my dose to 125 mgs.