Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

[Guest guest]

It sounds exactly like detox.  You don't mention - are you taking the supporting nutrients?  Selenium, Magnesium, Vit C and daily sea salt?  JaxiOn Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:38 PM, wolesu <swoledge@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says  very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).

The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.

On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?

Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

------------------------------------

All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group  IodineOT/

Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html

Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are 

not be limited to:

eye lid twitching

foot twitching

tingling in hands or feet

dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)

depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)

anxiety

emotionality

mouth and tongue sores and cuts or " sore mouth "

" different " acne, " bromide acne, " " acne-like eruptions " without " coniform. "  

(Some iodine users found zinc helps bromide acne.)

skin " cuts "

hair loss

brain fog

leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)

rash (bromaderma)

metallic  taste

sinus ache

runny nose

headache

sedation

lethargy

odd swallowing sensation (reported in old  medical literature as " swollen glottis " )

body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)

unusual urine odor

dry mouth

ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)

diarrhea

constipation

vision changes

irritability

increased salivation

dream changes

hormone changes

kidney pain

breast tenderness (transient symptom reported to resolve)

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:09 PM, jaxi <jaxi.schulz@...> wrote:

It sounds exactly like detox.  You don't mention - are you taking the supporting nutrients?  Selenium, Magnesium, Vit C and daily sea salt?  Jaxi

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:38 PM, wolesu <swoledge@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says  very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).

The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.

On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?

Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

------------------------------------

All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group  IodineOT/

Commonly asked questions:   http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

You were having detox symptoms before, but instead of improving your detox

pathways you decreased your dose of iodine. Depression, lack of energy and

weight gain are bromide detox symptoms. So it's not new, you've already

been there.

--

At 09:38 PM 3/25/2011, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for

>about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high

>dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great

>initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of

>energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually

>reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking

>only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade

>sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more

>iodine in that form also.)

>

>Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet

>to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks.

>I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

>

>The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically

>says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods

>such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably

>excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

>

>It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude

>dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally

>eat almost no dairy).

>

>The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat,

>but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad

>habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart

>from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese

>every day.

>

>Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches

>(like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints

>(particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good

>thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.

>

>On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is

>and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some

>instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine?

>Is it because I'm on the detox diet?

>

>Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Different things can promote detox. This is why some of us have reported problems when combining two detox regimens. The effects of combining two appear to be synergistic. (The good news is that your detox diet probably really IS a detox diet.)As always, when you have bad detox symptoms, you need to either slow down the detox or speed up the detox pathways -- as with FIR sauna, or detoxing baths, or more water... If salt loading helps, do that. You are detoxing faster than you are getting rid of the toxins, because you have increased the level of detox.AnneOn Mar 25, 2011, at 7:38 PM, wolesu wrote:

Hi all,

I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).

The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.

On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?

Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I'm sure others will chime in but, in a word, yes. You're detoxing. Could be

from the diet; could be from the consistent iodine consumption even though

you've lowered your dose. I had the hair loss too when I was taking iodine and

the salting is really key. Keep doing it.

If someone feels compelled to post how to unblock the detox pathways I'd be

greatful and that could be helpful to you. They've posted it before but I don't

have it in me to look.

>

> Hi all,

> I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for

about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high

dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially.

Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight

gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the

time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have

also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable

amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

>

> Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to

heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been

on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

>

> The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very

little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits,

vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like

sugar, processed foods and coffee.

>

> It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy

except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no

dairy).

>

> The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but

I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of

eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all

being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

>

> Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches

(like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly

my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also

up and down.

>

> On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I

tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief.

My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on

the detox diet?

>

> Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

It's great you've cut out the dairy and processed food; but where's the protein,

and healthy (Non-trans/hydrogenated) fats? (Saturated, mono, and Omega 3/6)?

I think I would feel like that if I was eating nothing but carbohydrates!

[Guest guest]

RE: > If someone feels compelled to post how to unblock the detox pathways I'd

be greatful and that could be helpful to you. They've posted it before but I

don't have it in me to look.<

I really liked Anne & Dr. L's information that is found in post #71461.

The Gall bladder & Liver flush that often talks about can be found in

the Files.

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for

about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high

dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially.

Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight

gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the

time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have

also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable

amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

> >

> > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet

to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've

been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

> >

> > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very

little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits,

vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like

sugar, processed foods and coffee.

> >

> > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy

except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no

dairy).

> >

> > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat,

but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit

of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all

being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

> >

> > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches

(like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly

my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also

up and down.

> >

> > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and

I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant

relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because

I'm on the detox diet?

> >

> > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cabbage is a goitrogen (inhibits uptake of iodine). You probably aren't getting

enough to cause a problem, but your mention of sauerkraut brought that to my

mind.

You didn't mention meat in your diet. From what I read, this low fat craze is

not good. Our brains particularly need a lot of fat, and when we don't consume

enough it would not be unreasonable to expect some malfunction like depression.

I personally avoid all vegetable oils except for olive and unrefined coconut

oil, and we have switched to cooking some with lard. We eat plenty of meat,

eggs, butter, yogurt, and cheese. I know this is exactly the opposite of what

the medical establishment says, but this low fat craze was begun with faulty

studies that showed a correlation between high fat diets and heart disease.

When the errors in these studies were corrected, they show no correlation

between a high fat diet and heart disease, and without correlation cause and

effect is impossible. Of course fats are high in calories, so moderation is

important.

Also, depression can result from inadequate B vitamins, particularly niacin.

Are you taking the 500 mg of niacin (the kind that makes you flush) recommended

in the iodine protocol?

I bet that some of your symptoms are detox and some finding the right diet for

your body.

>

> Hi all,

> I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for

about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high

dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially.

Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight

gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the

time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have

also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable

amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

>

> Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to

heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been

on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

>

> The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very

little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits,

vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like

sugar, processed foods and coffee.

>

> It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy

except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no

dairy).

>

> The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but

I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of

eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all

being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

>

> Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches

(like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly

my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also

up and down.

>

> On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I

tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief.

My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on

the detox diet?

>

> Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Our bodies need protein.Some us need more than others. Protein should be in every meal. from IllinoisFrom: nlog10 <nlog10@...>iodine Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 11:08:37 AMSubject: Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

Cabbage is a goitrogen (inhibits uptake of iodine). You probably aren't getting enough to cause a problem, but your mention of sauerkraut brought that to my mind.

You didn't mention meat in your diet. From what I read, this low fat craze is not good. Our brains particularly need a lot of fat, and when we don't consume enough it would not be unreasonable to expect some malfunction like depression. I personally avoid all vegetable oils except for olive and unrefined coconut oil, and we have switched to cooking some with lard. We eat plenty of meat, eggs, butter, yogurt, and cheese. I know this is exactly the opposite of what the medical establishment says, but this low fat craze was begun with faulty studies that showed a correlation between high fat diets and heart disease. When the errors in these studies were corrected, they show no correlation between a high fat diet and heart disease, and without correlation cause and effect is impossible. Of course fats are high in calories, so moderation is important.

Also, depression can result from inadequate B vitamins, particularly niacin. Are you taking the 500 mg of niacin (the kind that makes you flush) recommended in the iodine protocol?

I bet that some of your symptoms are detox and some finding the right diet for your body.

>

> Hi all,

> I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

>

> Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

>

> The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

>

> It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).

>

> The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

>

> Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.

>

> On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?

>

> Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Agree 100%! Coconut oil in is meant to be very good for the thyroid as it is a

medium chain triglyceride that is used directly by the liver, just like carbs.

(Spot the fitness/diet nerd!)

I have to say I am a little suspicious of the way everything has been attributed

to the all-encompassing 'detox' symptoms in posts above.

I'm sure such a thing exists, but some seem to blindly repeat the phrase when in

this case I'm sure it is more dietary/deficiency related.

>

> Our bodies need protein.Some us need more than others. Protein should be in

> every meal.

>

> from Illinois

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: nlog10 <nlog10@...>

> iodine

> Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 11:08:37 AM

> Subject: Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

>

>

> Cabbage is a goitrogen (inhibits uptake of iodine). You probably aren't

getting

> enough to cause a problem, but your mention of sauerkraut brought that to my

> mind.

>

> You didn't mention meat in your diet. From what I read, this low fat craze is

> not good. Our brains particularly need a lot of fat, and when we don't

consume

> enough it would not be unreasonable to expect some malfunction like

depression.

> I personally avoid all vegetable oils except for olive and unrefined coconut

> oil, and we have switched to cooking some with lard. We eat plenty of meat,

> eggs, butter, yogurt, and cheese. I know this is exactly the opposite of what

> the medical establishment says, but this low fat craze was begun with faulty

> studies that showed a correlation between high fat diets and heart disease.

> When the errors in these studies were corrected, they show no correlation

> between a high fat diet and heart disease, and without correlation cause and

> effect is impossible. Of course fats are high in calories, so moderation is

> important.

>

> Also, depression can result from inadequate B vitamins, particularly niacin.

> Are you taking the 500 mg of niacin (the kind that makes you flush)

recommended

> in the iodine protocol?

>

>

> I bet that some of your symptoms are detox and some finding the right diet for

> your body.

[Guest guest]

I went back and read that and I already have the gallbladder/liver flush page

open and reviewing it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

If I could find something that could really help with the bowel consistency,

that would be great!

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for

about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high

dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially.

Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight

gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the

time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have

also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable

amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

> > >

> > > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet

to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've

been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

> > >

> > > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says

very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as

fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things

like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

> > >

> > > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude

dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat

almost no dairy).

> > >

> > > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat,

but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit

of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all

being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

> > >

> > > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches

(like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly

my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also

up and down.

> > >

> > > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is

and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant

relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because

I'm on the detox diet?

> > >

> > > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure who posted this: nlog10

Just wanted to double check this. The niacin in the ATP Cofactors is a non flush version. You asked this person "Are you taking the 500 mg of niacin(the kind that makes you flush) recommended in the iodine protocol?"

It's Inositol hexanicotinate and the new member document says "no-flush niacin"

I don't think I could take a 500 mg flush niacin, that would be tough. :-)

Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

Cabbage is a goitrogen (inhibits uptake of iodine). You probably aren't getting enough to cause a problem, but your mention of sauerkraut brought that to my mind.You didn't mention meat in your diet. From what I read, this low fat craze is not good. Our brains particularly need a lot of fat, and when we don't consume enough it would not be unreasonable to expect some malfunction like depression. I personally avoid all vegetable oils except for olive and unrefined coconut oil, and we have switched to cooking some with lard. We eat plenty of meat, eggs, butter, yogurt, and cheese. I know this is exactly the opposite of what the medical establishment says, but this low fat craze was begun with faulty studies that showed a correlation between high fat diets and heart disease. When the errors in these studies were corrected, they show no correlation between a high fat diet and heart disease, and without correlation cause and effect is impossible. Of course fats are high in calories, so moderation is important.Also, depression can result from inadequate B vitamins, particularly niacin. Are you taking the 500 mg of niacin (the kind that makes you flush) recommended in the iodine protocol? I bet that some of your symptoms are detox and some finding the right diet for your body. >> Hi all,> I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)> > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.> > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.> > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).> > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.> > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.> > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?> > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.>

[Guest guest]

There has long been miscommunication about the recommended niacin for the

iodine protocol. It turns out that the kind of niacin in the product

called ATP Co-factors is the kind of niacin that is NO-FLUSH.

No-Flush is fine. And as quite a number of people have pointed out, a lot

of people could not take niacin if it were the flush type.

--

At 11:08 AM 3/26/2011, you wrote:

>Cabbage is a goitrogen (inhibits uptake of iodine). You probably aren't

>getting enough to cause a problem, but your mention of sauerkraut brought

>that to my mind.

>

>You didn't mention meat in your diet. From what I read, this low fat craze

>is not good. Our brains particularly need a lot of fat, and when we don't

>consume enough it would not be unreasonable to expect some malfunction

>like depression. I personally avoid all vegetable oils except for olive

>and unrefined coconut oil, and we have switched to cooking some with lard.

>We eat plenty of meat, eggs, butter, yogurt, and cheese. I know this is

>exactly the opposite of what the medical establishment says, but this low

>fat craze was begun with faulty studies that showed a correlation between

>high fat diets and heart disease. When the errors in these studies were

>corrected, they show no correlation between a high fat diet and heart

>disease, and without correlation cause and effect is impossible. Of

>course fats are high in calories, so moderation is important.

>

>Also, depression can result from inadequate B vitamins, particularly

>niacin. Are you taking the 500 mg of niacin (the kind that makes you

>flush) recommended in the iodine protocol?

>

>I bet that some of your symptoms are detox and some finding the right diet

>for your body.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols

> for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a

> high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great

> initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of

> energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually

> reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking

> only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade

> sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more

> iodine in that form also.)

> >

> > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type

> diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few

> weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

> >

> > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically

> says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of

> foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and

> understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

> >

> > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude

> dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally

> eat almost no dairy).

> >

> > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally

> eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into

> a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite

> different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and

> ricotta cheese every day.

> >

> > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal

> headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and

> joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good

> thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.

> >

> > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is

> and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some

> instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on

> iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?

> >

> > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

> >

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

The recommended form of niacin is the one contained in the ATP CoFactors and is a no flush form.

Buist, ND

Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

Cabbage is a goitrogen (inhibits uptake of iodine). You probably aren't getting enough to cause a problem, but your mention of sauerkraut brought that to my mind.You didn't mention meat in your diet. From what I read, this low fat craze is not good. Our brains particularly need a lot of fat, and when we don't consume enough it would not be unreasonable to expect some malfunction like depression. I personally avoid all vegetable oils except for olive and unrefined coconut oil, and we have switched to cooking some with lard. We eat plenty of meat, eggs, butter, yogurt, and cheese. I know this is exactly the opposite of what the medical establishment says, but this low fat craze was begun with faulty studies that showed a correlation between high fat diets and heart disease. When the errors in these studies were corrected, they show no correlation between a high fat diet and heart disease, and without correlation cause and effect is impossible. Of course fats are high in calories, so moderation is important.Also, depression can result from inadequate B vitamins, particularly niacin. Are you taking the 500 mg of niacin (the kind that makes you flush) recommended in the iodine protocol? I bet that some of your symptoms are detox and some finding the right diet for your body. >> Hi all,> I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)> > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.> > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.> > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).> > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.> > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.> > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?> > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.>

[Guest guest]

First I agree that the type of niacin that is recommended at breastcancerchoices

for the iodine protocol is the noflush kind. Is this what Brownstein recommends

too? I have never seen an explanation as to why niacin in any form is

recommended to be taken with iodine for treatment of cancer. I do know there

are claims that it assist in removing toxins? Is this the reason?

There is a difference between niacin (nicotinic acid) and noflush niacin

(inositol hexanicotinate).

It is nicotinic acid that causes the flush. It is nicotinic acid that increases

HDL and lowers LDL and VLDL cholesterol. It is nicotinic acid that dilates

blood vessels. It is nicotinic acid that can alleviate depression and elevate

blood sugar levels.

Inositol hexanicotinate is inositol bound with nicotinic acid. Some studies

have shown that there is little nicotinic acid in blood after ingesting inositol

hexanicotinate bringing into question our ability to break it down, thus

bringing into question its effectiveness as a substitute for (niacin) nicotinic

acid. Inositol hexanicotinate is little studied to date but a good deal of

research has been done on nicotinic acid.

The reason I asked if niacin (the no flush kind) was being taken was because it

alleviates depression and this was one of the symptoms being complained about.

I am suspicious of the no flush niacin. The flush is an indication it is doing

its work. Absence of the flush makes we wonder if in fact the nicotinic acid is

being kept bound and unavailable to our bodies, hence making the pills

ineffective. I think this is an area requiring further research.

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for

about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high

dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially.

Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight

gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the

time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have

also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable

amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

> >

> > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet

to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've

been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

> >

> > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says

very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as

fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things

like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

> >

> > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude

dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat

almost no dairy).

> >

> > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat,

but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit

of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all

being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

> >

> > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches

(like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly

my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also

up and down.

> >

> > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is

and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant

relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because

I'm on the detox diet?

> >

> > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It works to enhance ATP. Here is an article

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-20/IOD_20.htm

Yes ATP CoFactors is recommended by Dr. Brownstein to use with Iodoral. It is not something he recommends to all patients though.

Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

First I agree that the type of niacin that is recommended at breastcancerchoices for the iodine protocol is the noflush kind. Is this what Brownstein recommends too? I have never seen an explanation as to why niacin in any form is recommended to be taken with iodine for treatment of cancer. I do know there are claims that it assist in removing toxins? Is this the reason?There is a difference between niacin (nicotinic acid) and noflush niacin (inositol hexanicotinate). It is nicotinic acid that causes the flush. It is nicotinic acid that increases HDL and lowers LDL and VLDL cholesterol. It is nicotinic acid that dilates blood vessels. It is nicotinic acid that can alleviate depression and elevate blood sugar levels. Inositol hexanicotinate is inositol bound with nicotinic acid. Some studies have shown that there is little nicotinic acid in blood after ingesting inositol hexanicotinate bringing into question our ability to break it down, thus bringing into question its effectiveness as a substitute for (niacin) nicotinic acid. Inositol hexanicotinate is little studied to date but a good deal of research has been done on nicotinic acid.The reason I asked if niacin (the no flush kind) was being taken was because it alleviates depression and this was one of the symptoms being complained about. I am suspicious of the no flush niacin. The flush is an indication it is doing its work. Absence of the flush makes we wonder if in fact the nicotinic acid is being kept bound and unavailable to our bodies, hence making the pills ineffective. I think this is an area requiring further research. > >> > Hi all,> > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)> > > > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.> > > > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.> > > > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).> > > > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.> > > > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.> > > > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?> > > > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.> >>

[Guest guest]

After reading the optimox article, I am not convinced one way or the other about

the effectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate.

I see where it is reported that one of the six women in the study subjectively

reported the improvement in muscle pain after exercise when taking 1000mg of

inositol hexanicotinate and the later conjecture that, " The B vitamins, niacin

and riboflavin, are the precursors of the cofactors NADH and FAD H2. These

cofactors play an important role also in the oxidation and organification of

iodide by generating hydrogen peroxide via the NADPH oxydase system. " I don't

find this evidence of anything, and even if the conjecture is correct, the

question still remains if inositol hexanicotinate provides the body with active

vitamin B3 since the nicotinic acid in flush free niacin is inactivated by

inositol.

In a discussion at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacin

The comment is made about the ineffectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate in

improving cholesterol, yet it is know that nicotinic acid does improve

cholesterol numbers.

My point is that if flush free niacin has the active component, nicotinic acid,

inactivated by binding it with inositol, as proven by the fact that its dilation

effect on blood vessels is neutralized (hence no flush) and it has no effect on

blood lipids while nicotinic acid does, then how is flush free niacin going to

do the other things that we expect vitamin B3 to do.

It would be cruel for people to think they are benefiting by taking flush free

niacin when there is a substantial question as to its effectiveness.

I think this is an open question.

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols

for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high

dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially.

Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight

gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the

time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have

also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable

amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)

> > >

> > > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type

diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks.

I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.

> > >

> > > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says

very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as

fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things

like sugar, processed foods and coffee.

> > >

> > > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude

dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat

almost no dairy).

> > >

> > > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally

eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad

habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from

it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.

> > >

> > > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal

headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints

(particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts.

Emotions are also up and down.

> > >

> > > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is

and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant

relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because

I'm on the detox diet?

> > >

> > > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great.

Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say Thanks to nlog10. I thought this was something that needed to be researched and discussed, but I don't have the time.

THanks again.

Can we discuss this on this list?

Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

After reading the optimox article, I am not convinced one way or the other about the effectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate. I see where it is reported that one of the six women in the study subjectively reported the improvement in muscle pain after exercise when taking 1000mg of inositol hexanicotinate and the later conjecture that, "The B vitamins, niacin and riboflavin, are the precursors of the cofactors NADH and FAD H2. These cofactors play an important role also in the oxidation and organification of iodide by generating hydrogen peroxide via the NADPH oxydase system." I don't find this evidence of anything, and even if the conjecture is correct, the question still remains if inositol hexanicotinate provides the body with active vitamin B3 since the nicotinic acid in flush free niacin is inactivated by inositol.In a discussion at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiacinThe comment is made about the ineffectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate in improving cholesterol, yet it is know that nicotinic acid does improve cholesterol numbers. My point is that if flush free niacin has the active component, nicotinic acid, inactivated by binding it with inositol, as proven by the fact that its dilation effect on blood vessels is neutralized (hence no flush) and it has no effect on blood lipids while nicotinic acid does, then how is flush free niacin going to do the other things that we expect vitamin B3 to do.It would be cruel for people to think they are benefiting by taking flush free niacin when there is a substantial question as to its effectiveness. I think this is an open question. > > >> > > Hi all,> > > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)> > > > > > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.> > > > > > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.> > > > > > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).> > > > > > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.> > > > > > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.> > > > > > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?> > > > > > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I sent this post at 6:55 am this morning, it is now 1:54 pm. 7 hrs later and it still is not coming up on the list. Anyone else having this problem?

Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

After reading the optimox article, I am not convinced one way or the other about the effectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate. I see where it is reported that one of the six women in the study subjectively reported the improvement in muscle pain after exercise when taking 1000mg of inositol hexanicotinate and the later conjecture that, "The B vitamins, niacin and riboflavin, are the precursors of the cofactors NADH and FAD H2. These cofactors play an important role also in the oxidation and organification of iodide by generating hydrogen peroxide via the NADPH oxydase system." I don't find this evidence of anything, and even if the conjecture is correct, the question still remains if inositol hexanicotinate provides the body with active vitamin B3 since the nicotinic acid in flush free niacin is inactivated by inositol.In a discussion at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiacinThe comment is made about the ineffectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate in improving cholesterol, yet it is know that nicotinic acid does improve cholesterol numbers. My point is that if flush free niacin has the active component, nicotinic acid, inactivated by binding it with inositol, as proven by the fact that its dilation effect on blood vessels is neutralized (hence no flush) and it has no effect on blood lipids while nicotinic acid does, then how is flush free niacin going to do the other things that we expect vitamin B3 to do.It would be cruel for people to think they are benefiting by taking flush free niacin when there is a substantial question as to its effectiveness. I think this is an open question. > > >> > > Hi all,> > > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)> > > > > > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.> > > > > > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.> > > > > > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).> > > > > > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.> > > > > > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.> > > > > > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?> > > > > > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

groups has frequent hiccups.On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:55 PM, gwen wrote:

I sent this post at 6:55 am this morning, it is now 1:54 pm. 7 hrs later and it still is not coming up on the list. Anyone else having this problem?

Re: Am I experiencing Bromide detox? and if so why now?

After reading the optimox article, I am not convinced one way or the other about the effectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate. I see where it is reported that one of the six women in the study subjectively reported the improvement in muscle pain after exercise when taking 1000mg of inositol hexanicotinate and the later conjecture that, "The B vitamins, niacin and riboflavin, are the precursors of the cofactors NADH and FAD H2. These cofactors play an important role also in the oxidation and organification of iodide by generating hydrogen peroxide via the NADPH oxydase system." I don't find this evidence of anything, and even if the conjecture is correct, the question still remains if inositol hexanicotinate provides the body with active vitamin B3 since the nicotinic acid in flush free niacin is inactivated by inositol.In a discussion at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiacinThe comment is made about the ineffectiveness of inositol hexanicotinate in improving cholesterol, yet it is know that nicotinic acid does improve cholesterol numbers. My point is that if flush free niacin has the active component, nicotinic acid, inactivated by binding it with inositol, as proven by the fact that its dilation effect on blood vessels is neutralized (hence no flush) and it has no effect on blood lipids while nicotinic acid does, then how is flush free niacin going to do the other things that we expect vitamin B3 to do.It would be cruel for people to think they are benefiting by taking flush free niacin when there is a substantial question as to its effectiveness. I think this is an open question. > > >> > > Hi all,> > > I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. I've been on Lugols for about 18 months. After reading Brownsteins book, I started on a high dose(about 50mg I think)as he discusses in his book and felt great initially. Then I started to have symptoms such as depression, lack of energy and weight gain and assumed I was taking too much. I've gradually reduced my dose over the time and have for some months only been taking only 2 drops per day. (I have also for some time tho been eating homemade sauerkraut which I put a reasonable amount of sea vegetables in - so more iodine in that form also.)> > > > > > Anyway, I've recently been to a doctor who has put me on a detox type diet to heal my digestive system that I'm supposed to be on for a few weeks. I've been on it currently now for about 2.5 weeks.> > > > > > The diet consists of predominantly cooked foods - it specifically says very little raw (I was eating more raw before) and consists of foods such as fruits, vegetables, lentils, rice, porridge and understandably excludes things like sugar, processed foods and coffee.> > > > > > It is basically a pretty clean, whole foods diet. It does also exclude dairy except for plain yogurt and ricotta or cottage cheese. (I normally eat almost no dairy).> > > > > > The diet is not too far different in foods from what I would normally eat, but I've cut out the junk (chocolate and sweets) that I had got into a bad habit of eating again over the last 2 years. What is quite different apart from it all being cooked is that I'm eating yogurt and ricotta cheese every day.> > > > > > Since being on this, I'm experiencing hair loss (lots), frontal headaches (like sinus - around and above my eyes), sore muscles and joints (particularly my legs), depression off and on and the not so good thoughts. Emotions are also up and down.> > > > > > On finding the info on Bromide detox, it sounds like that is what it is and I tried one round of the salt loading this morning which gave some instant relief. My question tho is why now? Why after 18 months on iodine? Is it because I'm on the detox diet?> > > > > > Sorry for this being so long, but any suggestions would be great. Thanks.> > >> >>