Re: Re: Iodine testing or not?

[Guest guest]

it is a BRAND NEW test and the mods and I have decided that we cannot recommend it until we see how well it works. They are not doing bromide testing as Hakala labs does which we recommend to all who decide to test. Because you can see a high iodine reading and think you are fine but the fact is that the symporters are blocked by bromide and that is skewing the test.

Neither Hakala or ZRT requires a doctor (ZRT can be done through www.canaryclub.org ). The test that Hakala labs does has been used effectively since the 1990's.

Re: Iodine testing or not?

Thanks for the suggestion. I like ZRT and didn't realize they had theiodine one. Does it require a doctor or can we do it ourselves?

[Guest guest]

Selenium is not able to be tested in urine which is the form of testing they do - so no it is not available.

You can get it tested through www.healthcheckusa.com I believe.

Steph

Re: Iodine testing or not?>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I like ZRT and didn't realize they hadthe> iodine one. Does it require a doctor or can we do it ourselves?>> >

[Guest guest]

You always make me smile, Jim! I just love your responses, thanks!Tammy On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:31 AM, "dutchdivco" <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

One of the deficiencies of our medical system is its reliance on test results, in making a diagnoses, to the point that if signs, symptoms AND medical history all point clearly at a presumptive diagnoses, the Dr. will disregard all that, if the test results contradict.

Is this because test results are so much mor eaccurate and dependable? Hardly.

Every year the CDC sends out test samples, anonymously, to labs around the country, for testing. They select samples which are unambiguos.Consistently, the results are accurate about 50% of the time.So, do you have,...HepC? Might as well flip a coin!

Why, then do Dr.'s give greater weight to lab results than to signs, symptoms and history?

Because they are considered better evidence, in a court of law.Thats why med students are taught, and have it drummed into their head test results, test results.Its called CYA.

I'm pretty sure no insurance company is going to pay for your iodine test.So, if your paying for it yourself, of all the tests you could be getting, an iodine test is the worst value, for the $.Just my opinion,...Jim

>

> Even if one is deficient, a baseline test is always a good idea. That way

> one can test later on and compare results to see if or how much progress is

> being made. While the body needs iodine (certainly agreed), I think it may

> be a stretch to say that "everyone" is definitely deficient. We used to

> think that about Vitamin D3 but we are actually seeing some that are not

> deficient. I don't think it wise to assume anything when it comes to the

> human body. I suggest the iodine Profile (urine) test from ZRT. Just my

> opinion.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

> From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

> ladybugsandbees

> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:08 PM

> iodine

> Subject: Re: Iodine testing or not?

>

>

>

>

>

> It is not necessary for anyone to test. Dr. Brownstein has tested his

> patients and each one is deficient. I think we can assume everyone needs

> iodine. Since you had a goiter then you are very deficient.

>

> Steph

>

>

> Iodine testing or not?

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I had a goiter (thyroid gland was enlarged 6X its size) and had it

> removed in 2003. Should I test before taking iodine/iodide or is the

> fact of that goiter sufficient would you say?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It made me shiver. How so true............. from IllinoisFrom: Tammy McClellan <tammylmcclellan@...>"iodine " <iodine >Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 2:24:11 AMSubject: Re: Re: Iodine testing or not?

You always make me smile, Jim! I just love your responses, thanks!Tammy On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:31 AM, "dutchdivco" <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

One of the deficiencies of our medical system is its reliance on test results, in making a diagnoses, to the point that if signs, symptoms AND medical history all point clearly at a presumptive diagnoses, the Dr. will disregard all that, if the test results contradict.

Is this because test results are so much mor eaccurate and dependable? Hardly.

Every year the CDC sends out test samples, anonymously, to labs around the country, for testing. They select samples which are unambiguos.Consistently, the results are accurate about 50% of the time.So, do you have,...HepC? Might as well flip a coin!

Why, then do Dr.'s give greater weight to lab results than to signs, symptoms and history?

Because they are considered better evidence, in a court of law.Thats why med students are taught, and have it drummed into their head test results, test results.Its called CYA.

I'm pretty sure no insurance company is going to pay for your iodine test.So, if your paying for it yourself, of all the tests you could be getting, an iodine test is the worst value, for the $.Just my opinion,...Jim

>

> Even if one is deficient, a baseline test is always a good idea. That way

> one can test later on and compare results to see if or how much progress is

> being made. While the body needs iodine (certainly agreed), I think it may

> be a stretch to say that "everyone" is definitely deficient. We used to

> think that about Vitamin D3 but we are actually seeing some that are not

> deficient. I don't think it wise to assume anything when it comes to the

> human body. I suggest the iodine Profile (urine) test from ZRT. Just my

> opinion.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

> From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

> ladybugsandbees

> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:08 PM

> iodine

> Subject: Re: Iodine testing or not?

>

>

>

>

>

> It is not necessary for anyone to test. Dr. Brownstein has tested his

> patients and each one is deficient. I think we can assume everyone needs

> iodine. Since you had a goiter then you are very deficient.

>

> Steph

>

>

> Iodine testing or not?

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I had a goiter (thyroid gland was enlarged 6X its size) and had it

> removed in 2003. Should I test before taking iodine/iodide or is the

> fact of that goiter sufficient would you say?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]



I agree with Jim. It is not about finding the answer in most cases (although my doc uses it as a guide and then checks in as to how I feel) but more about covering your butt. If you don't have the proof in a court then you have to answer for why you did it.

Iodine is cheap and good for you. It's still your body and you decide what goes into it.

Steph

Iodine testing or not?> > > Hello,> > I had a goiter (thyroid gland was enlarged 6X its size) and had it> removed in 2003. Should I test before taking iodine/iodide or is the> fact of that goiter sufficient would you say?> > Thanks,> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Baxrox. This is a great article.

On 1/25/2011 2:02 PM, baxrox wrote:

You both may be interested in the November 2010 The

Atlantic article titled "Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical

Science" by H. Freedman.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/8269/

> > > >

> > > > Even if one is deficient, a baseline

test is always a good idea. That way

> > > > one can test later on and compare

results to see if or how much progress is

> > > > being made. While the body needs

iodine (certainly agreed), I think it may

> > > > be a stretch to say that "everyone" is

definitely deficient. We used to

> > > > think that about Vitamin D3 but we are

actually seeing some that are not

> > > > deficient. I don't think it wise to

assume anything when it comes to the

> > > > human body. I suggest the iodine

Profile (urine) test from ZRT. Just my

> > > > opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Be Well

> > > > Dr.L

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: iodine

[mailto:iodine ]

On Behalf Of

> > > > ladybugsandbees

> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:08 PM

> > > > iodine

> > > > Subject: Re: Iodine testing

or not?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is not necessary for anyone to

test. Dr. Brownstein has tested his

> > > > patients and each one is deficient. I

think we can assume everyone needs

> > > > iodine. Since you had a goiter then

you are very deficient.

> > > >

> > > > Steph

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Iodine testing or

not?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > I had a goiter (thyroid gland was

enlarged 6X its size) and had it

> > > > removed in 2003. Should I test before

taking iodine/iodide or is the

> > > > fact of that goiter sufficient would

you say?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Ted for the article, nothing new though, but exposing a system that is corrupted required bravery and stand up to an established system is needed. It reaffirms the fact that so called "experts" should always be questioned and critical thinking is not always part of the masses.

Graciela

From: Zed <zedtava@...>iodine Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 5:34:02 PMSubject: Re: Iodine testing or not?

I found this excerpt from the article you mentioned. "Perhaps only a minority of researchers were succumbing to this bias, but their distorted findings were having an outsize effect on published research. To get funding and tenured positions, and often merely to stay afloat, researchers have to get their work published in well-regarded journals, where rejection rates can climb above 90 percent. Not surprisingly, the studies that tend to make the grade are those with eye-catching findings. But while coming up with eye-catching theories is relatively easy, getting reality to bear them out is another matter. The great majority collapse under the weight of contradictory data when studied rigorously. Imagine, though, that five different research teams test an interesting theory that's making the rounds, and four of the groups correctly prove the idea false, while the one less cautious group incorrectly "proves" it true through some combination of

error, fluke, and clever selection of data. Guess whose findings your doctor ends up reading about in the journal, and you end up hearing about on the evening news? Researchers can sometimes win attention by refuting a prominent finding, which can help to at least raise doubts about results, but in general it is far more rewarding to add a new insight or exciting-sounding twist to existing research than to retest its basic premises—after all, simply re-proving someone else's results is unlikely to get you published, and attempting to undermine the work of respected colleagues can have ugly professional repercussions."It sounds very familiar. I have been hard at work on the "bromine detox" theory, the assumptions of the loading test and the iodine intake of the Japanese. My goal is not to prove anyone wrong, but to create my own opinion based off of my work and the work of others. I have been given an amazing opportunity to work in a

lab and run my own experiments and talk with iodine literate doctors around the country. Not everyone agrees with what I have to say, but at least I have an opinion that I have formulated on my own with my own research to back it up. If anyone has questions about iodine testing at ZRT, why it is different than the loading test, accuracy, precision, quality control, my research or anything else, feel free to email me at zedtava@.... -Ted> > > > >> > > > > Even if one is deficient, a baseline test is always a good idea. That way> > > > > one can test later on and compare results to see if or how much progress is> > > > > being made. While the body needs iodine (certainly agreed), I think it may> > > > > be a stretch to say that "everyone" is definitely deficient. We used to> > > > > think that about Vitamin D3 but we are actually seeing some that are not> > > > > deficient. I don't think it wise to assume anything when it comes to the>

> > > > human body. I suggest the iodine Profile (urine) test from ZRT. Just my> > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > > > > Be Well> > > > > Dr.L> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of> > > > > ladybugsandbees> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:08 PM> > > > > iodine > > > > > Subject: Re: Iodine testing or

not?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not necessary for anyone to test. Dr. Brownstein has tested his> > > > > patients and each one is deficient. I think we can assume everyone needs> > > > > iodine. Since you had a goiter then you are very deficient. > > > > > > > > > > Steph> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Iodine testing or not?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > > > > > I had a goiter (thyroid gland was enlarged 6X its size) and had it> > > > > removed in 2003. Should I test before taking iodine/iodide or is the> > > > > fact of that goiter sufficient would you say?> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sorry,

Thank you Baxrox

Thank you ...... the article, nothing new though, but exposing a system that is corrupted required bravery and stand up to an established system is needed. It reaffirms the fact that so called "experts" should always be questioned and critical thinking is not always part of the masses.

Graciela

From: baxrox <baxrox@...>iodine Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 5:02:59 PMSubject: Re: Iodine testing or not?

You both may be interested in the November 2010 The Atlantic article titled "Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science" by H. Freedman. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/8269/--- In iodine , "Zed" <zedtava@...> wrote:>> Jim, I found your post interesting. What is the source for the 40% inaccuracy? I would like to include it in one of my articles.> > -Ted> > > > > >> > > > Even if one is deficient, a baseline test is always a good idea. That way> > > > one can test later on and compare results to see if or how much progress is> > > > being made. While the body needs iodine (certainly agreed), I think it may> > > > be a stretch to say that "everyone" is definitely deficient. We used to> > > > think that about Vitamin D3 but we are actually seeing some that are not> > > > deficient. I don't think it wise to assume anything when it comes to the> > > > human body. I suggest the iodine Profile (urine) test from ZRT. Just my> > > > opinion.> > >

> > > > > Be Well> > > > Dr.L> > > > > > > > > > > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of> > > > ladybugsandbees> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:08 PM> > > > iodine > > > > Subject: Re: Iodine testing or not?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not necessary for anyone to test. Dr.

Brownstein has tested his> > > > patients and each one is deficient. I think we can assume everyone needs> > > > iodine. Since you had a goiter then you are very deficient. > > > > > > > > Steph> > > > > > > > > > > > Iodine testing or not?> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > > > I had a goiter (thyroid gland was enlarged 6X its size) and had it> > > > removed in 2003. Should I test

before taking iodine/iodide or is the> > > > fact of that goiter sufficient would you say?> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Jim, your points are all well taken and not everyone on this list has

access to this information so it's very helpful. I didn't know about the

CDC results, and thank you for the correction on the percentage.

--

At 12:34 PM 1/25/2011, you wrote:

>Thanks. A correction on my previous post, and an elaboration.The CDC

>results were innacurate 40% of the time, not 50%. So, lab results are

>slightly better than flipping a coin.

>In the 200+ years of our countries history, there is only 1 instance in

>which a Company has been successfully prosecuted for negligent

>homicide.Mine collapse, with long history of safety violations? No

>Shipping company, that sailed the Titannic, with inadequate # of lifeboats? No

>It was a medical laboratory.Woman had a lump in her breast.Dr. did a

>biopsy, and sent results to lab.Came back benign. Year later, she died of

>breast cancer.Investigation found lab management (presumably in order to

>increase profits) was requiring the lab techs to process so many samples

>per hour, that there was no way they could do so accurately.

>Do you really think this is the only time when some manager, focused on

>profit sharing, has done this? It would be nice to think that such a

>prosecution would send a clear message to the industry, and prevent such

>behavior in the future.Just like the Enron case prevented the Worldcom

>case, etc.(NOT!!)Unfortunately, there is little evidence to justify such a

>'preventative' effect from prosecutions.

>Even when the lab results are correct, there is the potential for

>mis-interpreting what they mean.Such as the reliance on TSH and total T-4

>tests as being appropriate tests for Hypothyroidism.

>And, there are conditions which can't be diagnosed by tests.Adrenal

>fatigue cannot be diagnosed by serum (blood tests) or 24 hr. urine

>tests.Only by saliva tests, which most M.D.'s are unfamiliar with.

>And there are conditions like pulmonary fibrosis.It is a condition which

>progresses over many years, and will eventually kill you.By the time Dr's

>get a 'positive' finding on their tests, its too late; at that point all

>they can do is (finally) tell you whats wrong, and that you have 6 mos. or

>so to live.Sorry for the rant, guess you can tell I've kinda got a bug up

>my butt about lab tests! Jim

>

>

> >

> > I agree with Jim. It is not about finding the answer in most cases

> (although my doc uses it as a guide and then checks in as to how I feel)

> but more about covering your butt. If you don't have the proof in a

> court then you have to answer for why you did it.

> >

> > Iodine is cheap and good for you. It's still your body and you decide

> what goes into it.

> >

> > Steph

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste